Over-hunting can of course drive species to extinction. However, there are sustainable levels of hunting at which the animal populations are not driven to extinction. Things are even simpler with animal populations at farms where we have complete control over them.

Again maybe back in the 1800′s when it was practical to wear fur and beat your woman and have ten kids and ride horses on your ole wood wagon… maybe THEN animal populations replenished themselves naturally with the passage of time. But NO to answer your question MANY DO NOT and are on the BREED of extinction. Have you not noticed? I could sit here and list the many breeds on extinction – tons of which that are not replenishing themselves naturally… but I won’t waste all my precious time (or yours) so here is just one. The chatu. What’s a chatu you ask? You’ve never heard of one? Oh maybe that’s because it’s being driven to extinction by the FUR TRADE!

http://www.tv3.co.nz/News/Story/tabid/209/articleID/36250/Default.aspx

I am deeply insulted that you would even try to tell me they naturally replenish themselves. I mean, my 6 year old niece knows better than this. Honestly I am insulted you would think I would believe such a disgustingly stupid and ignorant arrogance comment…

Erin

Cid, I don’t mind ad hominem attacks. They’re just a sign of running out of valid arguments – also entertaining if your opponent is witty. Unfortunately this time I couldn’t spot any arguments in your post that I haven’t already addressed.

Erin, I honestly cannot imagine what definition of “renewable” includes bamboo but not animals. You give a definition of “any resource that can be replenished naturally with the passage of time”. Do animal populations not replenish naturally with the passage of time?

fur buying retard?

Ok sorry I shouldn’t have. I’m above that. I really am. I’ve worked in the eco world for nearly 20 years (was still a teen when I started) and I think in Environmentalism 101 we learned that fur is not a renewable resource. BAMBOO is a renewable resource. Natural yes (but so is human skin but we’re not going to start skinning humans) Natural is a cop out. Crude oil is natural. Doesn’t mean it’s good..

Now back to renewable. let’s take a look at the definition

any resource (as wood or solar energy) that can be replenished naturally with the passage of time

I don’t think it’s natural to go out and catch “pests” (first of all as the genius Cid Martins pointed out there are no “pests” except those we see deemed fit to murder because they don’t fit into our idealistic little world. Eww I don’t like those raccoons in MY yard! (it was theirs long before it was ours- let’s kill them and make them into fur!)

Ok secondly growing animals on a farm (like Armani says he is using for his rabbit fur for children – sick fucker) that is not natural nor ecological. It’s actually quite insane.

I won’t even attempt to explain all the environmental hazards of raising (or trapping) the animals made into these pelts. Or feeding them, or disposing of their bodies (and let me guess we’re going to eat the “pests” we kill. I don’t think so.

And even if it *were* sustainable (which it is clearly not) it certainly is not practical… It was practical when the Native AMericans did it back before we white people came in and destroyed their land. They used every part of the animal and did it as a means to survive and as the Brilliant Cid pointed out the planet was colder back then (thanks a lot global warming and George Bush’s 1 and 2)

I don’t think the natives (in North America or elsewhere) had scientifically developed geothermal or whatever the heck it is called fabric and coats that would keep even Sarah Palin warm on one of her helicopter wild dog wolves shooting spree from the air…. So don’t try to tell me it’s practical. That’s asinine. It really is.

You’re teling me in the 21st century with Burlington Coat Factories at every turn (which sadly sell fur so boycott the shits) but with all the other stores that it’s PRACTICAL to wear and buy fur?

Oh and I suppose it’s PRACTICAL you’re going to tell me for the poor people who live in these cold cold regions to go buy these overpriced dead animal pelts this ho is selling and that’s practical? First of all their so unGODLY expensive it’s not practical for anyone to buy them! IT’s not ethical, it’s not sustainable.

You’re not Davey Crockett dude. Get with it. It used to be practical to have to shoot someone in the other tribe and sacrifice their ass too. It used to be practical to have TEN children so they could work the farm. It used to be practical to have a frickin wooden wagon with over worked horses to carry you around all day… But wake up man or woman hiding behind petty pathetic initials. it is the TWENTY FIRST CENTURY! Your argument does not hold up…. And if it did then I dare say you’d have to think that there are too many people on this planet too right? Shall we just “off’ the extra ones and make coats out of them? I didn’t think so.

Erin my real name.

Also, Peta has their stupid stunts, but this pretty much sums up why Fur is NOT Green.

http://www.furisdead.com/feat-notgreen.asp

And my fav site for “humane” animal products

http://www.humanemyth.org

First of all fbr (it’s note very comfortable for me to address a nickname) let me ‘say’ your use of Latin does not impress me at all! Furthermore, I didn’t attack anyone directly, and yes I think the large majority of humans are stupid and many of them are extremely arrogant – and this is my personal experience and opinion!! And yes, only ignorant, cruel people say that wearing fur is acceptable!! If you take it personally it’s your problem!

I also haven’t figured out yet why is it that in this supposedly eco-animal-friendly site there are so many comments from people who think fur and eating any kind of animals (which they believe are inferior to humans and don’t care how they are killed) is completely okay!!! I must be in the wrong site, obviously!!!

Now regarding the issues which you did not validly address:
- fur is not renewable – this means, and it’s not MY definition, that it can be used indefinitely. Yes there are renewable resources, for instance solar, wind, wave and geothermal energy. The day they end is the day the planet stops existing…therefore they are renewable!
- I have a problem with the use of fur, primarily or otherwise! I just gave the example of our ancestors to demonstrate that they used all the parts of the animals they hunted!
- animals killed as pests? You should watch more wildlife documentaries!! Nature controls itself! The only ‘pest’ on this planet is the human species! You really sound like palin! Damn! Okay, there are too many wolves…Let’s shoot them down from planes!!! If an animal population is growing too much they will end up dying naturally due too lack of enough preys! I think you cut biology classes too often!
- finally, you are trying to say that instead of a light, warm piece of clothing (have you ever heard of scientific and technological progress? today there are all kinds of light, cheap fabrics that replace fur any time!) fur is more practical? I mean, this is the 21st century!! Have you ever heard of Iceland? They don’t need fur and they have one of the harshest climates on earth! The difference is that they are already living in the 21st century!!

So, as you can realize your arguments aren’t that consistent! I don’t pretend to know everything (very far from that) or to own the truth, but there are obvious things like these, which even an intelligent child can understand… And this is not an attack!

I really am sick and tired of people on this site picking on me just because I refute what they write. And instead of presenting valid arguments they either insult me or play the role of the victim, putting me in the villain position!

You know I have better things to do with the little time I have free!

To all of those who love to eat meat or fish, don’t care how animals are killed, don’t mind the abuse of animals and who think humans are the superior species, I would suggest you visit other sites, because last time I checked this was supposed to be a place for people who care for animals as much as they do for humans!

Or maybe I am completely wrong and if that is the case I apologise and will never return to this site again!!!

Thanks!!

There is a difference between renewable and sustainable.

I agree that in this day and age fur is not a NECESSITY, ethical, practical or green in any way.

Humans came THIS FAR without modern medicine and technology….so let’s stop using that! What works in the past is not an argument and not what is best for the future.

It’s called EVOLUTION and PROGRESS. Progress made fur a LUXURY item and to me LUXURY is NOT sustainable and green…just look at the stock market.