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	<title>Comments on: Jenny McCarthy Strikes Back At Amanda Peet On Child Vaccinations</title>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;until she walks in our shoes, she really has no idea.” - Absolutely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;until she walks in our shoes, she really has no idea.” &#8211; Absolutely!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Autism is a dread for any parent. That&#039;s why it&#039;s a must to make sure that we remain as natural and as eco-friendly as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Autism is a dread for any parent. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s a must to make sure that we remain as natural and as eco-friendly as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!

I&#039;ve never seen a more concentrated example of woo and ignorance of basic fact; ever.

Let&#039;s start at the basic premise and work from there. I don&#039;t know if you are social Darwinist, a eugenicist or just a just a very special species of crank but again wow, what ever your founding philosophy is it is seriously flawed. Disease organisms did and do infect perfectly healthy individuals. That&#039;s there niche.

In the fullness of time both pathogen and host may find some kind of equilibrium that from a Darwinian perspective is sustainable; but to claim this to be some sort of perfection gives the term &quot;Panglosian&quot; a bad name.

To claim the survivors of this process are in some way superior to those who end up dead or damaged is an abandonment of any kind of moral reasoning. It is to be cold and flippant in a way that boggles the mind.

What you are proposing that we return to some idealized purer past before medicine itself was created. Small problem with that idea; it means a whole lot of dieing and massive amounts of misery. It also means a life expectancy pegged at twenty five years. It means most children dieing before their first year of life and very few children living past five. It means dieing of such fun diseases a typhoid, whooping cough, rabies, cholera, tetanus, yellow fever and polio. 

But let us leave those minor quibbles aside; what is tens of thousands of pointless deaths between a few friends? No let us really get into the meat of this argument: your complete lack of understanding of the immune system and how it works.

If you understood some of the salient facts there in no way you could have posted this drivel. Inoculations activate the &quot;healthy&quot; immune system in way that protects the recipient against a pathogen in way that is much safer and with fewer side effects than exposure than the pathogen will.

Let&#039;s take your example of Small Pox and run with it; shall we? Before inoculation Small Pox was a killer, it laid a vast swath of death all over the world. Those who were not killed were horribly and literally scarred for life. The pock-mark scars of the disease disfigured its victims for life. That you would claim that this was of no matter is revelatory of how ignorant you are of both Medical and general history.

The history of how Small Pox was eliminated is the history of how preventive medicine grew and learned and improved over the years. From the baby steps of using cow-pox as a prophylaxis to the present day you can trace the improvement of the art. Did some people die in the process? Guilty as charged, but that had much more to do with the primitive state of inoculation in the early years than anything else. Morbidity, that would be dead bodies piling up for those who don;t understand such Medical-Sciencey things, was always much worse for the actual disease than it was for the analogue inoculation. 

As for the claim that Whooping cough is not a dangerous disease; are you freaking stoned?! Whooping Cough kills, it has no cure, the only sure treatment for Whooping Cough is prevention. That would be inoculation and what is called &quot;herd immunity.&quot; Real babies die and real mothers are heart broken from this &quot;not dangerous&quot; disease. Before you type such nonsense you really do need to check with a legitimate government agency like the CDC. Those nice people are paid by tax dollars and have no connection with &quot;evil PHarma.&quot; Oh, I forgot, they are part and parcel of your all-singing, all-dancing, conspiracy-without-end-amen.

Final point litigation proves exactly nothing. People sue for all sorts of inane, foolish, and idiotic reason. There will always be some barrister in the U.K. or some ambulance chasing lawyer in the U.S. more than willing to take your cash to mount any case no matter how frivolous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never seen a more concentrated example of woo and ignorance of basic fact; ever.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start at the basic premise and work from there. I don&#8217;t know if you are social Darwinist, a eugenicist or just a just a very special species of crank but again wow, what ever your founding philosophy is it is seriously flawed. Disease organisms did and do infect perfectly healthy individuals. That&#8217;s there niche.</p>
<p>In the fullness of time both pathogen and host may find some kind of equilibrium that from a Darwinian perspective is sustainable; but to claim this to be some sort of perfection gives the term &#8220;Panglosian&#8221; a bad name.</p>
<p>To claim the survivors of this process are in some way superior to those who end up dead or damaged is an abandonment of any kind of moral reasoning. It is to be cold and flippant in a way that boggles the mind.</p>
<p>What you are proposing that we return to some idealized purer past before medicine itself was created. Small problem with that idea; it means a whole lot of dieing and massive amounts of misery. It also means a life expectancy pegged at twenty five years. It means most children dieing before their first year of life and very few children living past five. It means dieing of such fun diseases a typhoid, whooping cough, rabies, cholera, tetanus, yellow fever and polio. </p>
<p>But let us leave those minor quibbles aside; what is tens of thousands of pointless deaths between a few friends? No let us really get into the meat of this argument: your complete lack of understanding of the immune system and how it works.</p>
<p>If you understood some of the salient facts there in no way you could have posted this drivel. Inoculations activate the &#8220;healthy&#8221; immune system in way that protects the recipient against a pathogen in way that is much safer and with fewer side effects than exposure than the pathogen will.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take your example of Small Pox and run with it; shall we? Before inoculation Small Pox was a killer, it laid a vast swath of death all over the world. Those who were not killed were horribly and literally scarred for life. The pock-mark scars of the disease disfigured its victims for life. That you would claim that this was of no matter is revelatory of how ignorant you are of both Medical and general history.</p>
<p>The history of how Small Pox was eliminated is the history of how preventive medicine grew and learned and improved over the years. From the baby steps of using cow-pox as a prophylaxis to the present day you can trace the improvement of the art. Did some people die in the process? Guilty as charged, but that had much more to do with the primitive state of inoculation in the early years than anything else. Morbidity, that would be dead bodies piling up for those who don;t understand such Medical-Sciencey things, was always much worse for the actual disease than it was for the analogue inoculation. </p>
<p>As for the claim that Whooping cough is not a dangerous disease; are you freaking stoned?! Whooping Cough kills, it has no cure, the only sure treatment for Whooping Cough is prevention. That would be inoculation and what is called &#8220;herd immunity.&#8221; Real babies die and real mothers are heart broken from this &#8220;not dangerous&#8221; disease. Before you type such nonsense you really do need to check with a legitimate government agency like the CDC. Those nice people are paid by tax dollars and have no connection with &#8220;evil PHarma.&#8221; Oh, I forgot, they are part and parcel of your all-singing, all-dancing, conspiracy-without-end-amen.</p>
<p>Final point litigation proves exactly nothing. People sue for all sorts of inane, foolish, and idiotic reason. There will always be some barrister in the U.K. or some ambulance chasing lawyer in the U.S. more than willing to take your cash to mount any case no matter how frivolous.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Jenny, for helping to recover my son from the disease autism.  I&#039;m so grateful that the truth IS coming out - vaccines cause autism in SOME individuals, like my son - we have our proof.  Don&#039;t worry about what ignorant people who don&#039;t live it say - they have no clue!  But we do - and our children are eternally grateful for it.  Keep it up, Jenny - so glad you are!  I know you&#039;ll NEVER stop - and neither will I!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Jenny, for helping to recover my son from the disease autism.  I&#8217;m so grateful that the truth IS coming out &#8211; vaccines cause autism in SOME individuals, like my son &#8211; we have our proof.  Don&#8217;t worry about what ignorant people who don&#8217;t live it say &#8211; they have no clue!  But we do &#8211; and our children are eternally grateful for it.  Keep it up, Jenny &#8211; so glad you are!  I know you&#8217;ll NEVER stop &#8211; and neither will I!</p>
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		<title>By: s</title>
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		<dc:creator>s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>has it ever been scientifically proven that vaccines cause autism? no! has it been proven that they dont? no! boycotting stuff just because of one comment is a little extreme, especially when the comment cannot be proven right or wrong (yet). if there is a history of autism in your family and you think it may have to go with a certain vaccine, then don&#039;t give your child that shot. it&#039;s that simple. autism is a very sad condition and i think people should focus more on treatment and less on blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has it ever been scientifically proven that vaccines cause autism? no! has it been proven that they dont? no! boycotting stuff just because of one comment is a little extreme, especially when the comment cannot be proven right or wrong (yet). if there is a history of autism in your family and you think it may have to go with a certain vaccine, then don&#8217;t give your child that shot. it&#8217;s that simple. autism is a very sad condition and i think people should focus more on treatment and less on blame.</p>
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		<title>By: Should the Validity of Vaccine Poisoning Be up for Debate? Dougie and I think NOT! &#171; harmonize</title>
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		<dc:creator>Should the Validity of Vaccine Poisoning Be up for Debate? Dougie and I think NOT! &#171; harmonize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 17:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I don’t want parents to become disillusioned by the sugar-coated poll they’ve got going on at Ecorazzi today. I am disgusted that my son suffers from documented metal poisonings, and media thinks it’s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I don’t want parents to become disillusioned by the sugar-coated poll they’ve got going on at Ecorazzi today. I am disgusted that my son suffers from documented metal poisonings, and media thinks it’s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Wildy, I must insist that I have the last word....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Wildy, I must insist that I have the last word&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps you all don&#039;t remember the tobacco industry giants testifying that nicotine wasn&#039;t addictive? Corporate motives can change everything.   New diagnostic criteria?  Seriously, that makes no sense.  Autism doesn&#039;t hide--if there is no increase in autism, where are all the autistic adults?  
Whether you like Jenny or believe her, I just don&#039;t understand how those of you who have autistic children aren&#039;t interested in her recovery program. It WORKED for us.  Read the facts at www.generationrescue.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you all don&#8217;t remember the tobacco industry giants testifying that nicotine wasn&#8217;t addictive? Corporate motives can change everything.   New diagnostic criteria?  Seriously, that makes no sense.  Autism doesn&#8217;t hide&#8211;if there is no increase in autism, where are all the autistic adults?<br />
Whether you like Jenny or believe her, I just don&#8217;t understand how those of you who have autistic children aren&#8217;t interested in her recovery program. It WORKED for us.  Read the facts at <a href="http://www.generationrescue.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.generationrescue.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wildy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wildy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just like having the last word.</description>
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		<title>By: TOGETHER IN AUTISM</title>
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		<dc:creator>TOGETHER IN AUTISM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, JENNY MCCARTHY IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT AGAINST VACCINES. SHE IS JUST WANTING TO SEE THEM CLEANED UP. UNITL THEN, SPACE OUT THE SHOTS. THERE ARE MANY KNOWN TOXINS, NOT JUST ONE INGREDIENT THAT CAN NOT EXIT THE BODY AND DO DAMAGE TO THE BRAIN AND NEUROLOGICAL SYSTEM. JENNY IS NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT EVERY CHILD WILL GET AUTISM FROM VACCINES... SHE IS SIMPLY STATING THAT FOR THOSE VERY YOUNG CHILDREN WHO MAY HAVE UNRECOGNISED WEAKENED IMMUNE SYSTEMS OR THEIR GENETIC MAKEUP CANNOT WITHSTAND THE VAST OF VACCINES, THEY NEED TO BE GENTLER, CLEANER, GREENING OF VACCINES. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!!! WHEN WE HAVE TO TAKE A MEDICATION FOR AN ILLNESS, DO WE ALL TAKE THE SAME MEDICINE? THE SAME DOSE? THE ANSWER IS NO. AMANDA, I KNOW YOU MEAN WELL, BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW UNTIL IT EFFECTS YOUR CHILD. THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF US, THAT OUR CHILDREN COULD NOT STAND UP TO THE TOXICITY. WE DO NOT DISCOURAGE, WE WANT THOSE CHILDREN TO BE PROTECTED, NOT HARMED. WE HAVE NO WAY OF TELLING IF OUR CHILD IS IN ONE OF THE THOUSANDS THAT IS VULNERABLE UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE. THERE IS NO TEST TO DETECT. YOU CANNOT TAKE JENNY&#039;S WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT. SHE NEVER SAYS &quot;CURE&quot; SHE SAYS RECOVER. SHE NEVER SAYS SHE IS &quot;ANTI-VACCINE&quot;, SHE IS FOR GREENING OUR VACCINES. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN WHO HAVE NOT BEEN PERSONALLY TOUCHED BY AUTISM (THEIR OWN CHILD), THEY ARE OUR PROOF. IT IS SOOOOOOOOO EASY FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT SEEN THEIR OWN CHILD DETERIORATE AFTER RECEIVING A VACCINE TO LISTEN TO HEAR-SAY AND PLACE JUDGEMENT OR COMMENTS ON A TOPIC THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

SINCERELY,
SHAUNA-FOUNDER
TOGETHER IN AUTISM
WWW.TOGETHERINAUTISM.ORG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, JENNY MCCARTHY IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT AGAINST VACCINES. SHE IS JUST WANTING TO SEE THEM CLEANED UP. UNITL THEN, SPACE OUT THE SHOTS. THERE ARE MANY KNOWN TOXINS, NOT JUST ONE INGREDIENT THAT CAN NOT EXIT THE BODY AND DO DAMAGE TO THE BRAIN AND NEUROLOGICAL SYSTEM. JENNY IS NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT EVERY CHILD WILL GET AUTISM FROM VACCINES&#8230; SHE IS SIMPLY STATING THAT FOR THOSE VERY YOUNG CHILDREN WHO MAY HAVE UNRECOGNISED WEAKENED IMMUNE SYSTEMS OR THEIR GENETIC MAKEUP CANNOT WITHSTAND THE VAST OF VACCINES, THEY NEED TO BE GENTLER, CLEANER, GREENING OF VACCINES. ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL!!! WHEN WE HAVE TO TAKE A MEDICATION FOR AN ILLNESS, DO WE ALL TAKE THE SAME MEDICINE? THE SAME DOSE? THE ANSWER IS NO. AMANDA, I KNOW YOU MEAN WELL, BUT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW UNTIL IT EFFECTS YOUR CHILD. THERE ARE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF US, THAT OUR CHILDREN COULD NOT STAND UP TO THE TOXICITY. WE DO NOT DISCOURAGE, WE WANT THOSE CHILDREN TO BE PROTECTED, NOT HARMED. WE HAVE NO WAY OF TELLING IF OUR CHILD IS IN ONE OF THE THOUSANDS THAT IS VULNERABLE UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE. THERE IS NO TEST TO DETECT. YOU CANNOT TAKE JENNY&#8217;S WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT. SHE NEVER SAYS &#8220;CURE&#8221; SHE SAYS RECOVER. SHE NEVER SAYS SHE IS &#8220;ANTI-VACCINE&#8221;, SHE IS FOR GREENING OUR VACCINES. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN WHO HAVE NOT BEEN PERSONALLY TOUCHED BY AUTISM (THEIR OWN CHILD), THEY ARE OUR PROOF. IT IS SOOOOOOOOO EASY FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS NOT SEEN THEIR OWN CHILD DETERIORATE AFTER RECEIVING A VACCINE TO LISTEN TO HEAR-SAY AND PLACE JUDGEMENT OR COMMENTS ON A TOPIC THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.</p>
<p>SINCERELY,<br />
SHAUNA-FOUNDER<br />
TOGETHER IN AUTISM<br />
<a href="http://WWW.TOGETHERINAUTISM.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://WWW.TOGETHERINAUTISM.ORG</a></p>
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