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	<title>Comments on: Ellen DeGeneres Wants You To Vote NO On Proposition 8!!!</title>
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		<title>By: CTTH</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I have certainly been made aware of the bible, god, and the like.  I would never tell another person what he/she should belief.  A person&#039;s faith is for that individual.  What I would let people know is the road is going both ways.
I am gay and have been married for 3 and 1/2 years, in MA.  My parents and bother are heterosexual.  I was brought up to believe evryone is to be respected and admired for being the individual they are. No rules, no labels, and no judgments. All of these morals were praticed without ever going to church or the belief in god.  
I live a life that would be considered extremely moral and unsinful.  I am in love with my husband and my life.  I am a great American, friend, neighbor, and a productive member of society.  I pay taxes, put my pants on one leg at a time, and respect my community.  I am no different from anyone else.  Well, maybe I do sleep with a man.  (we do fit together well...he compliments me in every aspect)
I have hurt no other person with my relationship.  I have not molested small children, beat my husband, or cheated.  I just want to be respected and have the right to the same life my parents have.  I don&#039;t want god to rule my life. Nor do I want someone to tell me that I am wrong and sinful because they are blinded by one way of thinking.  Everyone has certain rights and in this country they are all equal.  
I will not bring my sexual relationship into your house if you do the same in return.  It is not about sex!  It is about love and respect.  Heck, my neighbors may be swingers.  As long as they treat me well and the community so be it.  
How many times do we hear of husbands beating their wife or children, children being left in dumpsters, young boys and girls having sex, or children killing their classmates?  Are there not bigger issues in our country, in our world, in our lives?  So, please do not spend so much time on my life and the lives like mine.  Let everyone be who they are and focus on the bigger issues.  I&#039;m just trying to survive day to day life, as we all are.  
I will not give this to your children, but I do believe that all children have the right to both sides of the story.  No matter what issue is on the table.  Someday we will realize that everything in our world is connected.  We are all of the same energy. Keep it positive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I have certainly been made aware of the bible, god, and the like.  I would never tell another person what he/she should belief.  A person&#8217;s faith is for that individual.  What I would let people know is the road is going both ways.<br />
I am gay and have been married for 3 and 1/2 years, in MA.  My parents and bother are heterosexual.  I was brought up to believe evryone is to be respected and admired for being the individual they are. No rules, no labels, and no judgments. All of these morals were praticed without ever going to church or the belief in god.<br />
I live a life that would be considered extremely moral and unsinful.  I am in love with my husband and my life.  I am a great American, friend, neighbor, and a productive member of society.  I pay taxes, put my pants on one leg at a time, and respect my community.  I am no different from anyone else.  Well, maybe I do sleep with a man.  (we do fit together well&#8230;he compliments me in every aspect)<br />
I have hurt no other person with my relationship.  I have not molested small children, beat my husband, or cheated.  I just want to be respected and have the right to the same life my parents have.  I don&#8217;t want god to rule my life. Nor do I want someone to tell me that I am wrong and sinful because they are blinded by one way of thinking.  Everyone has certain rights and in this country they are all equal.<br />
I will not bring my sexual relationship into your house if you do the same in return.  It is not about sex!  It is about love and respect.  Heck, my neighbors may be swingers.  As long as they treat me well and the community so be it.<br />
How many times do we hear of husbands beating their wife or children, children being left in dumpsters, young boys and girls having sex, or children killing their classmates?  Are there not bigger issues in our country, in our world, in our lives?  So, please do not spend so much time on my life and the lives like mine.  Let everyone be who they are and focus on the bigger issues.  I&#8217;m just trying to survive day to day life, as we all are.<br />
I will not give this to your children, but I do believe that all children have the right to both sides of the story.  No matter what issue is on the table.  Someday we will realize that everything in our world is connected.  We are all of the same energy. Keep it positive!</p>
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		<title>By: unk</title>
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		<dc:creator>unk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 00:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the schism in the Anglican communion, the Constitutional amendment in the United States to define marriage as between a man and a woman, and in light of various ‘human rights’ laws around the world that vilify those who speak against homosexuality, more Christians are asking what the Christian position towards homosexuality should be. While only a tiny percentage of people are homosexual, the gay lifestyle is becoming mainstream – at least in some circles and in the media. Let’s examine what the Bible says about homosexuality, and clear up a few myths in the process. 

First, let’s start with some fundamental groundwork. Some people, uneducated in scripture, are under the mistaken impression that all forms of sexuality are sinful according to the Bible. With this misconception, they readily disregard anything the Bible might say with regards to sexuality, choosing instead to side with their sexual desires. What they don’t understand is that they are completely wrong. Sex is a creation of God, who pronounced all His creation “good!” Sexuality is not sinful. It is a wonderful part of God’s plan. 

God put a limit on sex, though. Yes, a limit – only one. There is no long dissertation on the do’s and don’ts of sex. The only caveat to the enjoyment of sex is this: sex is meant to be enjoyed in the context of marriage – not outside of it. Unfortunately, these days we must be specific. Sex is to be enjoyed within the context of a marriage between a man and a woman. That’s it! That’s the limit. Genesis 2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Hebrew 13:4 says, “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” All sexual sins (i.e. promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality, prostitution, etc.) are sins because they do not conform to the limit of sex being a marital activity. Now of course some of you will point out the list of sexual activity prohibited by the Mosaic laws, but let’s not address those issues of the law from which Paul said we are now free. Instead, let’s stick to those ancient commands that endure eternal. To that end, the above-mentioned single rule is how we are to judge sexual morality. 

The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were the first recorded in the Bible to face punishment for their sexual perversion. In Genesis chapter 19, we find two angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom. In verse four, we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have sex with them.” The pro-homosexual revisionist argues that the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was that the residents wanted to commit an act of rape. That the rape would have been homosexual is not an issue, according to their argument. However, Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their sexual perversion. Their sin was not simply one of violence (rape) but of sexual immorality (homosexuality). As further evidence of the sinful nature of homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosexuality as “an abomination.” 

Contrary to the opinions of some, the Old Testament is not the only place in the Bible that condemns homosexuality. We previously mentioned Hebrews 13:4, where Paul exhorted us to honor the marriage bed and keep it pure. In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” are those men who engage in unnatural sexual relations with other men – homosexuals. That is also how the NASB, the NKJV, and the NIV translate that verse. Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosexuality. 

Having established that homosexuality is a sin, we must now face that we live in increasingly pro-homosexual societies. The media and the schools have become mouthpieces for the gay subculture, and are working hard to marginalize those of us who take a moral, biblical stance on the issue. School sex education programs based on the curriculum developed by SIECUS champion homosexuality as being normal and healthy, while encouraging teenagers to ignore the values of their parents if their parents feel homosexuality is wrong. “Gay” television shows are popping up on networks like Bravo and on other networks as well. 

In many nations, current and existing laws are including slurs against homosexuality in the definition of hate crimes. In fact, some in Canada have found themselves in legal trouble for reading the first chapter of Romans over the airwaves. This is a pattern that is sweeping the Western world, and I predict we’ll see similar legislation in the United States within the next few years. While the Canadian Parliament claims that a religious exemption in their recent hate speech bill will protect speech of a religious nature, in practice Canadians have already been prosecuted by human rights tribunals for things as simple as listing the same Bible verses above in a newspaper advertisement. 

Even the church today is not immune to the mainstreaming of immorality. The Anglican Communion, including the Episcopal Church in the United States is suffering a rift because of the appointment of an openly homosexual bishop. This rift is widened because some of its leaders have deemed it appropriate to perform homosexual marriages. The Methodist Church has allowed openly homosexual ministers to retain their positions. Let me make this clear: I do not oppose allowing homosexuals to attend church. In fact, I think that’s where they should be. However, we must not condone sinful immorality by allowing our clergy to practice it openly. Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuals are unrepentant of their sin. If they were repentant, they would no longer identify themselves as homosexual. Just as no church would allow their minister to engage in an ongoing adulterous affair and retain his position, so we must not allow homosexual ministers to retain their positions of leadership. 

Homosexual advocates will contend that homosexuality is natural, and some will point to homosexual activity within some animal species as evidence. However, it’s not hard to figure out that homosexuality is decidedly unnatural. My wife and I used to have a couple of pendant necklaces. Each of us had half of a pendant on our necklace. When we put our two halves together, the zigzag pattern meshed together flawlessly to create a single, whole pendant (which, by the way, bore the words of Genesis 2:24). God made men and women different, both emotionally and physically. Physically, we were created to fit together anatomically much like our pendant. Our parts just match up! Remember the child’s game of matching the round peg into the round hole, the square peg into the square hole, etc.? The homosexual is trying to force two pegs together, in blatant disregard for God’s natural design! The argument above also falls flat on its face when you consider that some animal species also eat their young. I don’t think we can extrapolate that into an acceptable practice for human beings. 

These same homosexual advocates will claim that homosexuality is genetic. NOT TRUE! Nobody is ‘born homosexual.’ In 1993, Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute claimed to have found a genetic link to homosexuality. Yet in 1999, the results of an intensive study by the University of Western Ontario found that Hamer was in error. The fact is that after all the attempts to show a genetic cause for homosexuality, no such genetic cause has been found. A British psychologist has had enormous success in providing “reorientation” therapy to homosexuals who want to change. This is not a surgery or a medical treatment, but it is effective. How could it be effective if the cause of homosexuality is physical? Well, it couldn’t be. Homosexuality is a choice, not a genetic predisposition. 

Also untrue is the label applied to those who don’t approve of homosexuality. “Homophobe” has been applied to anyone speaking negatively of homosexuality or of homosexuals. But in 2002, a study by the University of Arkansas was publicized that showed that term to be inaccurate. While a phobia is a fear, researchers found that those termed “homophobic” exhibited no traces of fear. The study subjects’ reactions ranged from disapproval to disgust, but none showed any fear. 

God’s laws were handed down for our benefit. HIV and AIDS, while no longer exclusive to homosexuals, are still much more rampant and spreading more quickly among the gay community (at least in the western nations). Our children are at risk as well. While GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, Straight Education Network) will tell your seventh-grader during a school assembly that heterosexual men molest more children than homosexual men do, they are not telling the whole story. That statistic is only true because homosexuals make up less than 5% of the population. Statistically though, a homosexual man is 10 to 20 times more likely than a heterosexual man to sexually abuse a minor. 

A few “Christians” have hurt the cause of morality by acting out violently and/or hatefully against homosexuals. When Matthew Shepherd was killed for being homosexual,* a Baptist congregation gathered outside the courthouse during his killers’ trial. They held up banners that stated how many days Shepherd had been in hell, and used some disgusting names to describe him. They seemed to be happy that he had been brutally murdered. Hate is not the answer to anything. Every one of us is sinful, yet every one of us is loved by God. Jesus did not celebrate the death of Matthew Shepherd, and neither should we. “Hate the sin, but love the sinner,” is how the saying goes, and that applies to homosexuals as well. 

With that said, we must not be afraid to stand up and champion the cause of morality. Some will call us bigots and homophobes for our belief that homosexuality is a sin, but we cannot let name-calling soften our beliefs in God’s moral code. The pro-homosexual movement can only marginalize us if we allow ourselves to be marginalized. There are two ways we can do that: a) we exhibit hate toward homosexuals rather than love, or b) we remain silent. We must proudly champion God’s love toward the homosexual without condoning his or her behavior. Let His love shine through us, and may we all be examples of the morality God desires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the schism in the Anglican communion, the Constitutional amendment in the United States to define marriage as between a man and a woman, and in light of various ‘human rights’ laws around the world that vilify those who speak against homosexuality, more Christians are asking what the Christian position towards homosexuality should be. While only a tiny percentage of people are homosexual, the gay lifestyle is becoming mainstream – at least in some circles and in the media. Let’s examine what the Bible says about homosexuality, and clear up a few myths in the process. </p>
<p>First, let’s start with some fundamental groundwork. Some people, uneducated in scripture, are under the mistaken impression that all forms of sexuality are sinful according to the Bible. With this misconception, they readily disregard anything the Bible might say with regards to sexuality, choosing instead to side with their sexual desires. What they don’t understand is that they are completely wrong. Sex is a creation of God, who pronounced all His creation “good!” Sexuality is not sinful. It is a wonderful part of God’s plan. </p>
<p>God put a limit on sex, though. Yes, a limit – only one. There is no long dissertation on the do’s and don’ts of sex. The only caveat to the enjoyment of sex is this: sex is meant to be enjoyed in the context of marriage – not outside of it. Unfortunately, these days we must be specific. Sex is to be enjoyed within the context of a marriage between a man and a woman. That’s it! That’s the limit. Genesis 2:24-25 says, “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Hebrew 13:4 says, “Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.” All sexual sins (i.e. promiscuity, adultery, homosexuality, prostitution, etc.) are sins because they do not conform to the limit of sex being a marital activity. Now of course some of you will point out the list of sexual activity prohibited by the Mosaic laws, but let’s not address those issues of the law from which Paul said we are now free. Instead, let’s stick to those ancient commands that endure eternal. To that end, the above-mentioned single rule is how we are to judge sexual morality. </p>
<p>The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were the first recorded in the Bible to face punishment for their sexual perversion. In Genesis chapter 19, we find two angels that pay a visit to Lot’s home in Sodom. In verse four, we find that “all the men from every part of Sodom” surrounded Lot’s house, and told Lot to bring out his visitors “so that we can have sex with them.” The pro-homosexual revisionist argues that the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah was that the residents wanted to commit an act of rape. That the rape would have been homosexual is not an issue, according to their argument. However, Jude 7 indicates that Sodom and Gomorrah’s punishment was due to their sexual perversion. Their sin was not simply one of violence (rape) but of sexual immorality (homosexuality). As further evidence of the sinful nature of homosexuality, Leviticus 18:22, and 20:13 both describe homosexuality as “an abomination.” </p>
<p>Contrary to the opinions of some, the Old Testament is not the only place in the Bible that condemns homosexuality. We previously mentioned Hebrews 13:4, where Paul exhorted us to honor the marriage bed and keep it pure. In Romans 1:26-27 Paul is very specific, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” In 1 Corinthians 6:9, Paul wrote, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.” The Greek word from which the King James Bible gets the word “effeminate” is malakos, which literally means something soft to the touch, but is used as a negative metaphor to refer to a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man. The “abusers of themselves with mankind” are those men who engage in unnatural sexual relations with other men – homosexuals. That is also how the NASB, the NKJV, and the NIV translate that verse. Also in the New Testament is verse 7 from the book of Jude, defining exactly why Sodom and Gomorrah were punished – homosexuality. </p>
<p>Having established that homosexuality is a sin, we must now face that we live in increasingly pro-homosexual societies. The media and the schools have become mouthpieces for the gay subculture, and are working hard to marginalize those of us who take a moral, biblical stance on the issue. School sex education programs based on the curriculum developed by SIECUS champion homosexuality as being normal and healthy, while encouraging teenagers to ignore the values of their parents if their parents feel homosexuality is wrong. “Gay” television shows are popping up on networks like Bravo and on other networks as well. </p>
<p>In many nations, current and existing laws are including slurs against homosexuality in the definition of hate crimes. In fact, some in Canada have found themselves in legal trouble for reading the first chapter of Romans over the airwaves. This is a pattern that is sweeping the Western world, and I predict we’ll see similar legislation in the United States within the next few years. While the Canadian Parliament claims that a religious exemption in their recent hate speech bill will protect speech of a religious nature, in practice Canadians have already been prosecuted by human rights tribunals for things as simple as listing the same Bible verses above in a newspaper advertisement. </p>
<p>Even the church today is not immune to the mainstreaming of immorality. The Anglican Communion, including the Episcopal Church in the United States is suffering a rift because of the appointment of an openly homosexual bishop. This rift is widened because some of its leaders have deemed it appropriate to perform homosexual marriages. The Methodist Church has allowed openly homosexual ministers to retain their positions. Let me make this clear: I do not oppose allowing homosexuals to attend church. In fact, I think that’s where they should be. However, we must not condone sinful immorality by allowing our clergy to practice it openly. Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuals are unrepentant of their sin. If they were repentant, they would no longer identify themselves as homosexual. Just as no church would allow their minister to engage in an ongoing adulterous affair and retain his position, so we must not allow homosexual ministers to retain their positions of leadership. </p>
<p>Homosexual advocates will contend that homosexuality is natural, and some will point to homosexual activity within some animal species as evidence. However, it’s not hard to figure out that homosexuality is decidedly unnatural. My wife and I used to have a couple of pendant necklaces. Each of us had half of a pendant on our necklace. When we put our two halves together, the zigzag pattern meshed together flawlessly to create a single, whole pendant (which, by the way, bore the words of Genesis 2:24). God made men and women different, both emotionally and physically. Physically, we were created to fit together anatomically much like our pendant. Our parts just match up! Remember the child’s game of matching the round peg into the round hole, the square peg into the square hole, etc.? The homosexual is trying to force two pegs together, in blatant disregard for God’s natural design! The argument above also falls flat on its face when you consider that some animal species also eat their young. I don’t think we can extrapolate that into an acceptable practice for human beings. </p>
<p>These same homosexual advocates will claim that homosexuality is genetic. NOT TRUE! Nobody is ‘born homosexual.’ In 1993, Dean Hamer of the National Cancer Institute claimed to have found a genetic link to homosexuality. Yet in 1999, the results of an intensive study by the University of Western Ontario found that Hamer was in error. The fact is that after all the attempts to show a genetic cause for homosexuality, no such genetic cause has been found. A British psychologist has had enormous success in providing “reorientation” therapy to homosexuals who want to change. This is not a surgery or a medical treatment, but it is effective. How could it be effective if the cause of homosexuality is physical? Well, it couldn’t be. Homosexuality is a choice, not a genetic predisposition. </p>
<p>Also untrue is the label applied to those who don’t approve of homosexuality. “Homophobe” has been applied to anyone speaking negatively of homosexuality or of homosexuals. But in 2002, a study by the University of Arkansas was publicized that showed that term to be inaccurate. While a phobia is a fear, researchers found that those termed “homophobic” exhibited no traces of fear. The study subjects’ reactions ranged from disapproval to disgust, but none showed any fear. </p>
<p>God’s laws were handed down for our benefit. HIV and AIDS, while no longer exclusive to homosexuals, are still much more rampant and spreading more quickly among the gay community (at least in the western nations). Our children are at risk as well. While GLSEN (Gay, Lesbian, Straight Education Network) will tell your seventh-grader during a school assembly that heterosexual men molest more children than homosexual men do, they are not telling the whole story. That statistic is only true because homosexuals make up less than 5% of the population. Statistically though, a homosexual man is 10 to 20 times more likely than a heterosexual man to sexually abuse a minor. </p>
<p>A few “Christians” have hurt the cause of morality by acting out violently and/or hatefully against homosexuals. When Matthew Shepherd was killed for being homosexual,* a Baptist congregation gathered outside the courthouse during his killers’ trial. They held up banners that stated how many days Shepherd had been in hell, and used some disgusting names to describe him. They seemed to be happy that he had been brutally murdered. Hate is not the answer to anything. Every one of us is sinful, yet every one of us is loved by God. Jesus did not celebrate the death of Matthew Shepherd, and neither should we. “Hate the sin, but love the sinner,” is how the saying goes, and that applies to homosexuals as well. </p>
<p>With that said, we must not be afraid to stand up and champion the cause of morality. Some will call us bigots and homophobes for our belief that homosexuality is a sin, but we cannot let name-calling soften our beliefs in God’s moral code. The pro-homosexual movement can only marginalize us if we allow ourselves to be marginalized. There are two ways we can do that: a) we exhibit hate toward homosexuals rather than love, or b) we remain silent. We must proudly champion God’s love toward the homosexual without condoning his or her behavior. Let His love shine through us, and may we all be examples of the morality God desires.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 22:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love when fundamentalists begin to try to explain what &quot;God&quot; wants. Listen, that&#039;s YOUR believe, not mine, and not the belief of many other citizens.

People have the right to their own religious views, sexual orientation, etc. Homosexuality is a fact of life, and it is not a &quot;behavior&quot; that is being &quot;elevated&quot;. Most homosexuals were raised in hetero households...Shouldn&#039;t that mean that they would be hetero???

Get over yourselves. If you don&#039;t want to be gay, don&#039;t. If you don&#039;t want to get married, don&#039;t. But mind your own sanctimonious, &quot;God-fearing&quot;, hateful, self-indulgent business.

By the way, as an adoptive parent, there are THOUSANDS, if not millions of children worldwide, many right here at home, who have no parents. I say, any way to get these kids into a loving &quot;forever family&quot; is fine by me. How can you say you&#039;re in any way compassionate when you would prefer these children be raised in orphanages or foster homes, rather than with people who can provide them long-term loving support and stability.. Somewhere, Jesus is cringing at you people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love when fundamentalists begin to try to explain what &#8220;God&#8221; wants. Listen, that&#8217;s YOUR believe, not mine, and not the belief of many other citizens.</p>
<p>People have the right to their own religious views, sexual orientation, etc. Homosexuality is a fact of life, and it is not a &#8220;behavior&#8221; that is being &#8220;elevated&#8221;. Most homosexuals were raised in hetero households&#8230;Shouldn&#8217;t that mean that they would be hetero???</p>
<p>Get over yourselves. If you don&#8217;t want to be gay, don&#8217;t. If you don&#8217;t want to get married, don&#8217;t. But mind your own sanctimonious, &#8220;God-fearing&#8221;, hateful, self-indulgent business.</p>
<p>By the way, as an adoptive parent, there are THOUSANDS, if not millions of children worldwide, many right here at home, who have no parents. I say, any way to get these kids into a loving &#8220;forever family&#8221; is fine by me. How can you say you&#8217;re in any way compassionate when you would prefer these children be raised in orphanages or foster homes, rather than with people who can provide them long-term loving support and stability.. Somewhere, Jesus is cringing at you people.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it sad it never going to happen..i hope she keeps her marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it sad it never going to happen..i hope she keeps her marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unknown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT&#039;S NOT A RELIGOUS ISSUE IT&#039;S A CIVIL RIGHT&#039;S ISSUE!! VOTE NO ON PROP 8!! IT&#039;S WRONG! IT&#039;S UNFAIR! IT&#039;S UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! UNAMERICAN!!!
VOTE NO ONE DISCRIMINATION! VOTE NO ON H8!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT&#8217;S NOT A RELIGOUS ISSUE IT&#8217;S A CIVIL RIGHT&#8217;S ISSUE!! VOTE NO ON PROP 8!! IT&#8217;S WRONG! IT&#8217;S UNFAIR! IT&#8217;S UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! UNAMERICAN!!!<br />
VOTE NO ONE DISCRIMINATION! VOTE NO ON H8!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: fbr</title>
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		<dc:creator>fbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebecca, because of Leviticus 18:22 and the religious people trying to impose that on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebecca, because of Leviticus 18:22 and the religious people trying to impose that on others.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rebecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why we have to blame God or the church or the bible on any of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why we have to blame God or the church or the bible on any of this.</p>
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		<title>By: peace</title>
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		<dc:creator>peace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage does not have a Biblical foundation. Marriage existed before the bible was written. Other religions have practiced marriage long before christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage does not have a Biblical foundation. Marriage existed before the bible was written. Other religions have practiced marriage long before christians.</p>
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		<title>By: fbr</title>
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		<dc:creator>fbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 11:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read American history. I don&#039;t know what kind of twisted logic you need to use to argue that the freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion. Especially when many religious fundamentalists argue, somewhat correctly, that Atheism is a form or faith in itself. Yes, many immigrants that founded the US came from Judeo-Christian background, however, the basis of the US is to allow anyone to hold any religious belief they want (or none at all) and to protect others from having any particular religion being imposed on them. Unfortunately, this right is not extended to children in America today where it seems to be perfectly OK for parents to brainwash their children to believe any nonsense from creationism to homosexuality being wrong.

To the second part of your rant. Like I said, it is not the parents&#039; place to choose what gets taught to their children in school. This is because the children have a right to an education regardless of their parents. For the most part, the parents are in no way qualified to choose what gets taught. Furthermore, while many parents think they are experts when it comes to their children, they are not. Such thinking has lead to dangerous phenomena like parents refusing to vaccinate their children because they think they know the risks better than their doctors. Likewise, allowing parents to impose their religious views on not only their own, but all children in school, leads down a dangerous path.

Of course, proposition 8 has nothing to do with what gets taught to children in schools. It&#039;s a similar fear mongering tactic as the &quot;Obama is a muslim&quot; tactic used by religious nut cases in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read American history. I don&#8217;t know what kind of twisted logic you need to use to argue that the freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion. Especially when many religious fundamentalists argue, somewhat correctly, that Atheism is a form or faith in itself. Yes, many immigrants that founded the US came from Judeo-Christian background, however, the basis of the US is to allow anyone to hold any religious belief they want (or none at all) and to protect others from having any particular religion being imposed on them. Unfortunately, this right is not extended to children in America today where it seems to be perfectly OK for parents to brainwash their children to believe any nonsense from creationism to homosexuality being wrong.</p>
<p>To the second part of your rant. Like I said, it is not the parents&#8217; place to choose what gets taught to their children in school. This is because the children have a right to an education regardless of their parents. For the most part, the parents are in no way qualified to choose what gets taught. Furthermore, while many parents think they are experts when it comes to their children, they are not. Such thinking has lead to dangerous phenomena like parents refusing to vaccinate their children because they think they know the risks better than their doctors. Likewise, allowing parents to impose their religious views on not only their own, but all children in school, leads down a dangerous path.</p>
<p>Of course, proposition 8 has nothing to do with what gets taught to children in schools. It&#8217;s a similar fear mongering tactic as the &#8220;Obama is a muslim&#8221; tactic used by religious nut cases in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: fbr do you hear youself?</title>
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		<dc:creator>fbr do you hear youself?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are so wrong in your understanding of the founding of this country.  This country was founded on Judea-Christian values.  I know that pisses you off but it is the truth.  Why don&#039;t you read some American history.  We have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. You quote a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist church reassuring them that they were safe from the government imposing a governmental form of religion on them. (You know, like liberalism) Not the other way around.  

 It is not a parent&#039;s place to choose what gets taught to their children?  Are you from China! Cuba! ??  You sound like you have been so brainwashed yourself you do not even understand what you are saying. Parents,  especially people of faith,  are the only ones who have the right to prevent their children from being &#039;socially engineered&#039; and indoctrinated into your upside down belief system.  Schools are supposed to teach reading, writing, arithmetic, and history.  They are not supposed to brainwash children into accepting the teacher&#039;s or any other lobby group&#039;s moral and social belief systems in order to force acceptance of their lifestyle.  Parents do have the right to stop schools and anyone else from teaching there children anything beyond what we pay taxes for.   That is where the hateful, aggressive Gay Movement has crossed the line.  They are in the schools harassing and intimidating children and teachers who have not fully embraced their agenda.  KEEP THESE BROWN SHIRTS OUT OF THE SCHOOLS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are so wrong in your understanding of the founding of this country.  This country was founded on Judea-Christian values.  I know that pisses you off but it is the truth.  Why don&#8217;t you read some American history.  We have freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. You quote a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist church reassuring them that they were safe from the government imposing a governmental form of religion on them. (You know, like liberalism) Not the other way around.  </p>
<p> It is not a parent&#8217;s place to choose what gets taught to their children?  Are you from China! Cuba! ??  You sound like you have been so brainwashed yourself you do not even understand what you are saying. Parents,  especially people of faith,  are the only ones who have the right to prevent their children from being &#8217;socially engineered&#8217; and indoctrinated into your upside down belief system.  Schools are supposed to teach reading, writing, arithmetic, and history.  They are not supposed to brainwash children into accepting the teacher&#8217;s or any other lobby group&#8217;s moral and social belief systems in order to force acceptance of their lifestyle.  Parents do have the right to stop schools and anyone else from teaching there children anything beyond what we pay taxes for.   That is where the hateful, aggressive Gay Movement has crossed the line.  They are in the schools harassing and intimidating children and teachers who have not fully embraced their agenda.  KEEP THESE BROWN SHIRTS OUT OF THE SCHOOLS!</p>
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