Comments on: Elephant Trainers Respond To PETA’s Attack On New Spears Video http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/12/11/elephant-trainers-respond-to-petas-attack-on-new-spears-video/ Causes Entertainment Lifestyle Pop Culture Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: erin http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/12/11/elephant-trainers-respond-to-petas-attack-on-new-spears-video/comment-page-1/#comment-172217 erin Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:54:44 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=11279#comment-172217 Dearest J - these jerk's elephants were born in the wild!!!! When you say that these elephants must either be treated like crap and forced to travel (obviously not in good conditions) and perform bad tricks day after day or die..... (IF they are bred a certain way or not the same sex) Well what about elephant sanctuaries? Would that not be a third alternative?! The one I really want to visit is http://www.elephants.com There is always another alternative to horrible work conditions or death (in my opinion) And I am absolutely disgusted with Gary and Kari Johnson THEY HAVE FIVE ELEPHANTS - FOUR OF WHICH WERE BORN IN WILD! Here is the info and the site where this information came from. If there is a hell I truly believe people like these two should go there and be trained for the rest of eternity just like they tortured the wild beautiful majestic beasts that were captured and forced to do tricks for them. Sick Sick Sick. Perris Have Trunk Will Travel, Gary and Kari Johnson has kept 26 elephants Perris Have Trunk Will Travel, Gary and Kari Johnson has presently 5 elephants (1,4). Up Name Species Sex Status Origin Age Birth Parents Arrival From Becky - (299) EM F FC wild Malaysia 23 1985 x 1998-04-01 African Lion Safari, Rockton Rosie - (282) EM F FC wild Malaysia 27 1981 x 2001-09-04 Denver Zoo Tai - (132) EM F FC wild 42 1966 x 1978-05-01 West Palm Beach Zoo at Dreher Park Dixie - (131) EM F FC wild 43 1965 x 1984-03-23 Gentle Jungle JP - EM M FC captive-born Perris Have Trunk Will Travel, Gary and Kari Johnson 2 2006-12-12 Tusko (Sobik) x Rosie 2006-12-12 source: http://www.elephant.se/location2.php?location_id=344 Dearest J – these jerk’s elephants were born in the wild!!!!

When you say that these elephants must either be treated like crap and forced to travel (obviously not in good conditions) and perform bad tricks day after day or die….. (IF they are bred a certain way or not the same sex) Well what about elephant sanctuaries? Would that not be a third alternative?!

The one I really want to visit is http://www.elephants.com

There is always another alternative to horrible work conditions or death (in my opinion)

And I am absolutely disgusted with Gary and Kari Johnson

THEY HAVE FIVE ELEPHANTS – FOUR OF WHICH WERE BORN IN WILD!

Here is the info and the site where this information came from.

If there is a hell I truly believe people like these two should go there and be trained for the rest of eternity just like they tortured the wild beautiful majestic beasts that were captured and forced to do tricks for them. Sick Sick Sick.

Perris Have Trunk Will Travel, Gary and Kari Johnson has kept 26 elephants

Perris Have Trunk Will Travel, Gary and Kari Johnson has presently 5 elephants (1,4). Up

Name Species Sex Status Origin Age Birth Parents Arrival From
Becky – (299) EM F FC wild Malaysia 23 1985 x 1998-04-01 African Lion Safari, Rockton
Rosie – (282) EM F FC wild Malaysia 27 1981 x 2001-09-04 Denver Zoo
Tai – (132) EM F FC wild 42 1966 x 1978-05-01 West Palm Beach Zoo at Dreher Park
Dixie – (131) EM F FC wild 43 1965 x 1984-03-23 Gentle Jungle
JP - EM M FC captive-born
Perris Have Trunk Will Travel, Gary and Kari Johnson 2 2006-12-12 Tusko (Sobik) x Rosie 2006-12-12

source: http://www.elephant.se/location2.php?location_id=344

]]> By: j http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/12/11/elephant-trainers-respond-to-petas-attack-on-new-spears-video/comment-page-1/#comment-172053 j Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:54:04 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=11279#comment-172053 Depends on where the elephants came from. If they were born with some inbreeding, or weren't the right gender for the zoo/conservation park, then it's this or death. Either way, being raised by humans or around humans typically makes them unfit to return to any 'natural' habitat - they'll easily be out competed and starve. They probably wouldn't be accepted into the group, which is horrible for social mammals. If they were 'welcomed,' that may even cause trouble for the natural population. Unless they had particularly good genes... So, where did Tai and Kitty originate from? Depends on where the elephants came from.

If they were born with some inbreeding, or weren’t the right gender for the zoo/conservation park, then it’s this or death. Either way, being raised by humans or around humans typically makes them unfit to return to any ‘natural’ habitat – they’ll easily be out competed and starve. They probably wouldn’t be accepted into the group, which is horrible for social mammals. If they were ‘welcomed,’ that may even cause trouble for the natural population. Unless they had particularly good genes…

So, where did Tai and Kitty originate from?

]]> By: RAIN http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/12/11/elephant-trainers-respond-to-petas-attack-on-new-spears-video/comment-page-1/#comment-172004 RAIN Fri, 12 Dec 2008 14:39:01 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=11279#comment-172004 Daaaaaaaah! Elephants does not = tricks. People always try to justify their means. "Oh oh! but there was people there giving the elephants back rubs" or "We made sure they got fresh air.. blah blah blah... Elepahnts belong either in India in the wild or Africa in the Wild. Not in some Pop star video so that she gets millions... This is just BS. Daaaaaaaah! Elephants does not = tricks.

People always try to justify their means. “Oh oh! but there was people there giving the elephants back rubs” or “We made sure they got fresh air.. blah blah blah… Elepahnts belong either in India in the wild or Africa in the Wild. Not in some Pop star video so that she gets millions… This is just BS.

]]> By: Vegan http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/12/11/elephant-trainers-respond-to-petas-attack-on-new-spears-video/comment-page-1/#comment-171784 Vegan Fri, 12 Dec 2008 01:03:51 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=11279#comment-171784 I agree that regardless of if a Humane Society Rep on site or not we have no idea what went into the training of the elephants beforehand and what the travel conditions were. Perhaps these people really are trying to be humane but it seems almost impossible for an animal used in the entertainment industry to be cared for properly. I agree that regardless of if a Humane Society Rep on site or not we have no idea what went into the training of the elephants beforehand and what the travel conditions were. Perhaps these people really are trying to be humane but it seems almost impossible for an animal used in the entertainment industry to be cared for properly.

]]> By: yvonne http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/12/11/elephant-trainers-respond-to-petas-attack-on-new-spears-video/comment-page-1/#comment-171739 yvonne Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:26:32 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=11279#comment-171739 I agree, elephants are NOT entertainment. They belong in their own habitat with their own species to enjoy life with their own families. When will humans leave animals alone and figure out how to make money with their own intelligence instead of using the lives if animals to pay their bills. Animals are not here to be eaten, to wear, to be tested on or used for entertainment. Period! I agree, elephants are NOT entertainment. They belong in their own habitat with their own species to enjoy life with their own families. When will humans leave animals alone and figure out how to make money with their own intelligence instead of using the lives if animals to pay their bills. Animals are not here to be eaten, to wear, to be tested on or used for entertainment. Period!

]]> By: Steph http://www.ecorazzi.com/2008/12/11/elephant-trainers-respond-to-petas-attack-on-new-spears-video/comment-page-1/#comment-171719 Steph Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:33:01 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=11279#comment-171719 Whatever. These beautiful animals were not made to do tricks regardless...but what goes on behind closed doors as opposed to what goes on while supervised is two completely different things. Plus the travel is stressful on the animals.... Just like the horse carriage argument, even if people DID take 100% THE BEST CARE of them....they DON'T belong on the streets of NY PERIOD. Just like elephants weren't made to be kept in confined areas and stand on little chairs and balls for our amusement. Whatever. These beautiful animals were not made to do tricks regardless…but what goes on behind closed doors as opposed to what goes on while supervised is two completely different things.

Plus the travel is stressful on the animals….

Just like the horse carriage argument, even if people DID take 100% THE BEST CARE of them….they DON’T belong on the streets of NY PERIOD. Just like elephants weren’t made to be kept in confined areas and stand on little chairs and balls for our amusement.

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