Comments on: Famous Vegetarian Author John Robbins Hit By Madoff’s Evil Ponzi Scheme http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/ Causes Entertainment Lifestyle Pop Culture Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: vegemanic http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-330318 vegemanic Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:01:41 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-330318 It's the "keep the celebrity rich" mentality. We want our celebrities to be "in the money," even if we aren't. So the most broke among us will chip in to make sure that this happens. Willie Nelson got back in the money in much the same way. I wish I had some funds to diversify. I had a few thousand in Ecotrust, but had to take it out just to get by. Can anyone send me some money, too? At any rate, what's the deal with putting money in some instruments that you have no idea what they're about? What businesses is your money supposedly supporting? Who owns them? What are they doing? What are their impacts on the planet and local communities? Ecotrust does all this research -- clearly the Robbins family did not come close to conducting such due diligence. Perhaps John can write his next book about that. It’s the “keep the celebrity rich” mentality. We want our celebrities to be “in the money,” even if we aren’t. So the most broke among us will chip in to make sure that this happens. Willie Nelson got back in the money in much the same way. I wish I had some funds to diversify. I had a few thousand in Ecotrust, but had to take it out just to get by. Can anyone send me some money, too? At any rate, what’s the deal with putting money in some instruments that you have no idea what they’re about? What businesses is your money supposedly supporting? Who owns them? What are they doing? What are their impacts on the planet and local communities? Ecotrust does all this research — clearly the Robbins family did not come close to conducting such due diligence. Perhaps John can write his next book about that.

]]> By: perspective http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-204373 perspective Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:57:19 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-204373 I think Vegsource and the Robbins family should first disclose more information about their financial situation if they truly want help. There are vulnerable people out there who might learn of John's circumstances and send in money that they themselves do not have! How many Americans have "savings"? What exactly did they lose? What is the estimated value of their home? What steps are they taking (other than the responsible action of "economizing") Sensible questions. People have a right to know and there's no shame in sharing this information if they are truly in trouble. People can they donate knowing it is indeed going to the right cause. There are children all over the world who are starving with few clothes and no decent shelter or water to drink, so let's keep this in perspective please. I think Vegsource and the Robbins family should first disclose more information about their financial situation if they truly want help. There are vulnerable people out there who might learn of John’s circumstances and send in money that they themselves do not have! How many Americans have “savings”? What exactly did they lose? What is the estimated value of their home? What steps are they taking (other than the responsible action of “economizing”)

Sensible questions. People have a right to know and there’s no shame in sharing this information if they are truly in trouble. People can they donate knowing it is indeed going to the right cause.

There are children all over the world who are starving with few clothes and no decent shelter or water to drink, so let’s keep this in perspective please.

]]> By: Pauly http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-201875 Pauly Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:37:43 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-201875 If you bought even one of his books, you've already donated to the cause. He wrote the books first to make money, and he did. If he could not properly manage that money, it's not for others to feel sorry for him or to bail him out. The nerve of someone to even accept a donation in a case like this is absolutely horrible. If you bought even one of his books, you’ve already donated to the cause. He wrote the books first to make money, and he did. If he could not properly manage that money, it’s not for others to feel sorry for him or to bail him out. The nerve of someone to even accept a donation in a case like this is absolutely horrible.

]]> By: clf http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-200894 clf Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:58:14 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-200894 I would have to agree with fbr on this one. I feel that I am an extremely compassionate person, and I donate a significant portion of my salary and my time to worthwhile organizations. John Robbins' books have certainly been the most influential books I have ever read, and I do thank him so much for changing my entire outlook on how I live my life. However, you have to think, there are THOUSANDS of Americans out there right now who are also doing good work, making a positive impact in other’s lives and are probably in much worse financial situations than the Robbins family. And unfortunately, the root of their financial problems are much more complex and challenging than imprudent investing. I mean, come on, who really puts their entire life savings in one place? I learned to diversify my money in a high school business course. I do feel for his family, but he certainly has many friends and family who will help him during this tough time, and I’m sure they will come through it all shining. Unfortunately, I know I cannot say the same thing about those out there that will be living their entire life in poverty. I would have to agree with fbr on this one. I feel that I am an extremely compassionate person, and I donate a significant portion of my salary and my time to worthwhile organizations.
John Robbins’ books have certainly been the most influential books I have ever read, and I do thank him so much for changing my entire outlook on how I live my life.
However, you have to think, there are THOUSANDS of Americans out there right now who are also doing good work, making a positive impact in other’s lives and are probably in much worse financial situations than the Robbins family. And unfortunately, the root of their financial problems are much more complex and challenging than imprudent investing. I mean, come on, who really puts their entire life savings in one place? I learned to diversify my money in a high school business course.
I do feel for his family, but he certainly has many friends and family who will help him during this tough time, and I’m sure they will come through it all shining. Unfortunately, I know I cannot say the same thing about those out there that will be living their entire life in poverty.

]]> By: fbr http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-199943 fbr Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:07:08 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-199943 e, and if I agree with the argument in a story, why would I post? It would add nothing to the debate. But in any case I have argued points that defend the stories here too (see Prop 8 debate for example). Yes, banks have failed in the past and will fail in the future. Yes, people, including me, do defend themselves against this by not having all their savings in one place. We have never seen how a system like FDIC would cope in a systemic collapse of the banking sector (they're designed to defend against isolated bank failures), so in the current situation it's absolutely vital diversify even your cash holdings. If you'd trust your entire life savings to one man, then you should not be investing. Investing is something you don't have to do, it's a choice you make and you must carry all the risks involved - including the risk of criminal activity. Do I enjoy reading stories of people losing their life savings? Of course not. However, I also don't feel like I should be bailing them out because if they invested I can assume they were aware of all the risks but chose to accept them. e, and if I agree with the argument in a story, why would I post? It would add nothing to the debate. But in any case I have argued points that defend the stories here too (see Prop 8 debate for example).

Yes, banks have failed in the past and will fail in the future. Yes, people, including me, do defend themselves against this by not having all their savings in one place. We have never seen how a system like FDIC would cope in a systemic collapse of the banking sector (they’re designed to defend against isolated bank failures), so in the current situation it’s absolutely vital diversify even your cash holdings.

If you’d trust your entire life savings to one man, then you should not be investing. Investing is something you don’t have to do, it’s a choice you make and you must carry all the risks involved – including the risk of criminal activity. Do I enjoy reading stories of people losing their life savings? Of course not. However, I also don’t feel like I should be bailing them out because if they invested I can assume they were aware of all the risks but chose to accept them.

]]> By: e http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-199805 e Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:06:29 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-199805 FBR I swear you just come on here like those people I know who just want to argue every point a person makes. no matter what it is. hey did you know the sky is blue? I'm sure you'll tell me it's not. I guess the old folks who trusted the man with their money are to lose too? Shit you can't trust the banks. If your bank went under and you lost money (it has happened FDIC isn't fool proof) would you say it's your fault?! I just lost my ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS to a man named Jim Trabulse. yes I am young and was the youngest investor so I can re make that money but do people feel sorry for me? hell yes i trusted the man for years and years. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/10/BUKO156JB3.DTL So i take direct offense to your sensitivity (or lack thereof as always is the case with you on this board ;( Hey but at least you're a constant reader.. E FBR

I swear you just come on here like those people I know who just want to argue every point a person makes. no matter what it is. hey did you know the sky is blue? I’m sure you’ll tell me it’s not.

I guess the old folks who trusted the man with their money are to lose too? Shit you can’t trust the banks. If your bank went under and you lost money (it has happened FDIC isn’t fool proof) would you say it’s your fault?!

I just lost my ENTIRE LIFE SAVINGS to a man named Jim Trabulse. yes I am young and was the youngest investor so I can re make that money but do people feel sorry for me? hell yes i trusted the man for years and years.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/10/BUKO156JB3.DTL

So i take direct offense to your sensitivity (or lack thereof as always is the case with you on this board ;(

Hey but at least you’re a constant reader..

E

]]> By: The Science Commenter http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-199609 The Science Commenter Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:29:38 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-199609 Oh FBR! I most certainly agree with #2: Only invest what you can afford to lose. I'm a safe asshole when it comes to investing. I always like to think of it this way: All that time and energy I put into putting up with people who get on my damn nerves, I'm sure not going to give away even a penny of it to something that's overly risky just because there's a chance of a higher return. Too many headaches to watch it go wasted! Oh FBR!

I most certainly agree with #2: Only invest what you can afford to lose.

I’m a safe asshole when it comes to investing. I always like to think of it this way:

All that time and energy I put into putting up with people who get on my damn nerves, I’m sure not going to give away even a penny of it to something that’s overly risky just because there’s a chance of a higher return.

Too many headaches to watch it go wasted!

]]> By: parrish http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-199592 parrish Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:05:36 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-199592 fbr- Nope! While we always appreciate your "challenging" points of view here on the Razz, you and I generally have completely contradicting ideas on...just about everything. I will say this: it takes the same amount of energy for a person to be compassionate as it does to be critical. John has dedicated his adult life to helping people lead better, stronger lives. I'm confident that we will see this community come together in powerful ways and help support somebody who has helped support us throughout the years. fbr- Nope! While we always appreciate your “challenging” points of view here on the Razz, you and I generally have completely contradicting ideas on…just about everything.

I will say this: it takes the same amount of energy for a person to be compassionate as it does to be critical. John has dedicated his adult life to helping people lead better, stronger lives. I’m confident that we will see this community come together in powerful ways and help support somebody who has helped support us throughout the years.

]]> By: michael http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-199573 michael Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:53:01 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-199573 I understand completely where FBR is coming from. In this financial crisis, there's very little sympathy flowing for those that made very bad investment and lifestyle decisions. I do find it wonderful that people are willing to rally together to help out John and his family. I wish them the best of luck and hope that future financial investments are more varied. I understand completely where FBR is coming from. In this financial crisis, there’s very little sympathy flowing for those that made very bad investment and lifestyle decisions.

I do find it wonderful that people are willing to rally together to help out John and his family. I wish them the best of luck and hope that future financial investments are more varied.

]]> By: fbr http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/01/14/famous-vegetarian-author-john-robbins-hit-by-madoff%e2%80%99s-evil-ponzi-scheme/comment-page-1/#comment-199570 fbr Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:40:31 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=12251#comment-199570 parrish, yes. Seriously. Do you want to challenge any of my statements? parrish, yes. Seriously. Do you want to challenge any of my statements?

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