so comparing the habit of smoking with the habit of consuming great daily quantities of animal products like meat and milk and cheese, isnt that far fetched.

previously they also had acces to milk on board (from goats, life stock at board or taken from the islands) but that didnt solve the problem.

yes, you noticed correctly, i failed and still fail to understand your type of “commitment”. maybe its because when reading comments like this, make me think you didnt have any serious or well thaught commitment with strong believ and or feelings in the first place.
Quote : “To commit there would have to be a good reason, and the only ones that I could come up with were either ethical or religious ones”
the ONLY reasons you could come up with are ethical or religious reasons ? well, “ethical reasons” sounds good to me ! what else do you want ?

again, i dont say anything like that dairy is addictive, you should try to read better. all i say is that the body needs time when you change your diet and it reacts just the same way like withdrawal symptons. you really want to deny that ?
even changing habits causes withdrawal symptons. ask an avid tv addict (and his family!) how he feels when he cant watch tv for a couple of days.

so my point is, that if you appearantly without any good and strong convictions, and whithout any clou of cooking a good vegan meal, (yes, you can stuff your head with reading books but that doesnt qualify as “good preparations”) is it a surprise that your body reacts in a negative way ? rather, i would be surprised if it would work out.

You claim a person no longer needs medication for a condition after switching to vegan diet. A religious person claims that a person no longer needs medication for a condition after praying/going to church. If you do not provide any further evidence, these two are precisely equal arguments. I do not put any weight on either.

So you keep desperately clinging to your dairy addiction argument. How about stating exactly what this addictive ingredient is?

Yes, large portion of what is fed to cattle is produced locally (for various reasons including taxation and the fact that it’s easier to store than human food). I wouldn’t be surprised if the ecological footprint of meat produced this way was less than of the fresh vegetables that have to be imported.

Not once did I claim that you can substitute meat and milk for veggies and fruit. What I’ve been arguing from the beginning is that meat and milk can be a part of a healthy diet.

As for the pirates, they did not lack only fresh vegetables, they also lacked fresh dairy and other animal based products. Also, if you get the data of pirate populations and the data of global temperature, you will find a strong correlation. That’s a simple demonstration of the pitfalls of correlation studies.

so in short you started a veggie diet without any commitment and without any knowledge of making delicious veggie recipes.
So for 4 weeks you were gobbeling food down your throat thinking “why the hell am i eating this tasteles shit!”, right ?
your comments about comparing my experiences with people and how a vegan diet affected their health and how some could stop taking medicines, with that of religious people claiming miracles, is rather stupid and ignorant.

furthermore, i dont say that cheese and cigarettes are the same addictice as you suggest, that would be stupid. i merely say that cheese has an ingredients that is lightly addictive. (and anyone knows that nicotine is heavily addictive)
stopping cigaretes OR drastically changing your diet , both the body needs time to change and has withdrawel effects because it is stronly craving foods / nicotine that the body is used to. this is an unpleasant feeling.

before posting comments like “if you dont mind eating veggie imported halfway around the globe” you should do a little bit more research about the food the cows (your meat and milk) are eating. is that grown locally ?? i dont think so. also that comes from far away, and anybody knows that producing meat (and milk) takes so much more grains and soy, that any animal product has a far bigger ecological footprint.
besides, you really think you can substitue veggies and fruit for meat and milk ?
you should as your pirates, as many know that living on a ship for a long time without fresh veggeis and fruit will make you sick.

if you cant make a delicious veggie mal, thats okay, but i am sure other people can, with the same ingredients thta are available in your local supermarket or grocery store.

i am so glad that there are at least more inteligent and more open people like Oprah Winfrey who tried a vegan diet for 21 days, who start with a healthy commitment, a vegan coach, and are honestly so surprised because its much more delicous than they anticipated.

Sorry, just had to throw that in due to your comments awhile back about eating horses.

Comparing nicotine and dairy products in terms of how addictive they are is nonsense. Just let it go, it’s not an argument worth fighting for.

As to your personal experiences of people stopping taking medicine after getting into a vegetarian diet, you’d have to be far more precise on the examples. Sorry, but I don’t put much weight on these types of arguments. You commonly encounter them while debating religious people claiming to have witnessed miracles. If you have seriously never heard of vegans/vegetarians going back to meat you need to do your research before debating. I mean there have been stories on this very site about it. Another point to research would be the medical conditions linked to vegan diets, thinking there are none is dangerously naive.

There’s no point doubting my assessment of the validity of vegan/vegetarian diet where I live by saying you’re “sure that its possible to have a healthy and delicious vegan meal each day”. I tried it, I know exactly how possible or impossible it is. Like I said it is possible to have a healthy vegan diet (if you don’t mind eating vegetables imported from across the globe for the majority of the year). As for the deliciousness, that’s purely subjective and I wouldn’t say any of the recipes I tried were “delicious”.

The quote of mine does not need any research to back it up. It’s a simple fact that you can find historical correlations. It’s also a simple fact that vegan diets have their own medical issues, it’s not some utopia that suddenly makes you a superman.