Comments on: Vegan Pets Considered On ABC’s Good Morning America http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/ Causes Entertainment Lifestyle Pop Culture Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Robin http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-416553 Robin Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:11:03 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-416553 Donald, it is completely inaccurate to claim that humans created the cat species; we most certainly did not, any more than we created dinosaurs. There is nothing different about a house cat than a wild cat except their willingness to interact with humans (and this ridiculous idea to force them to be vegan is an argument against the wisdom of associating with humans). Any house cat released outdoors can fend for itself by, yes, hunting and eating other creatures to survive. And if that cat's offspring have no interaction with humans, they will grow up to be as wild as a wolf or raccoon or any other wild animal. Cats will revert to their original wild state in one generation. All we have done to the cat species over these many years is to breed for certain outward physical characteristics. We have changed their actual nature - and their nutritional need for meat - not one iota. Donald, it is completely inaccurate to claim that humans created the cat species; we most certainly did not, any more than we created dinosaurs. There is nothing different about a house cat than a wild cat except their willingness to interact with humans (and this ridiculous idea to force them to be vegan is an argument against the wisdom of associating with humans). Any house cat released outdoors can fend for itself by, yes, hunting and eating other creatures to survive. And if that cat’s offspring have no interaction with humans, they will grow up to be as wild as a wolf or raccoon or any other wild animal. Cats will revert to their original wild state in one generation. All we have done to the cat species over these many years is to breed for certain outward physical characteristics. We have changed their actual nature – and their nutritional need for meat – not one iota.

]]> By: Robin Hart http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-416539 Robin Hart Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:52:58 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-416539 You are 100% right Suzy. It's insane and arrogant to try to force a carnivore to subsist on vegetables. These poor cats will surely sicken and die young because they cannot maintain their health without eating meat, and how can that be called "cruelty-free?" They'd be better off set free outdoors where at least they can attempt to hunt for food, as they are built to do. You are 100% right Suzy. It’s insane and arrogant to try to force a carnivore to subsist on vegetables. These poor cats will surely sicken and die young because they cannot maintain their health without eating meat, and how can that be called “cruelty-free?” They’d be better off set free outdoors where at least they can attempt to hunt for food, as they are built to do.

]]> By: iveggy http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-363539 iveggy Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:13:35 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-363539 My 5 cats are vegan and are doing great! For years! Try with your pets and you will see how great you all will feel to have a cruelty free home. My 5 cats are vegan and are doing great! For years! Try with your pets and you will see how great you all will feel to have a cruelty free home.

]]> By: Samantha http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-296331 Samantha Sat, 25 Apr 2009 04:58:12 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-296331 Erin, on a side note here - you keep referencing feeding your cats fish, as a more humane alternative, and I'm just curious as to how fish is "the lesser of 2 evils," when it comes to animal flesh? Fish feel pain, are curious, form bonds with families and of course have their own interests in living. "Fish are more intelligent than they appear. In many areas, such as memory, their cognitive powers match or exceed those of 'higher' vertebrates, including non-human primates." Erin, on a side note here – you keep referencing feeding your cats fish, as a more humane alternative, and I’m just curious as to how fish is “the lesser of 2 evils,” when it comes to animal flesh?

Fish feel pain, are curious, form bonds with families and of course have their own interests in living.

“Fish are more intelligent than they appear. In many areas, such as memory, their cognitive powers match or exceed those of ‘higher’ vertebrates, including non-human primates.”

]]> By: Suzy http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-294603 Suzy Mon, 20 Apr 2009 22:31:06 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-294603 This is absolutely ridiculous. I think it is more cruel to force a carnivorous animal to eat a vegan diet than it is to allow that animal to eat meat. Carnivorous animals (such as cats) cannot live on anything BUT meat; it is just the way that they are biologically made. If you tried to feed a cat a diet exclusively comprised of beans, for instance, it would get very sick and eventually die. This is because cats are obligate carnivores and cannot thrive on vegetarian or vegan foods. They cannot digest carbohydrates, and they need the important amino acids that meat provides, especially Taurine. I think us humans need to accept the fact that there is always going to be some forms of evil in the world that we have no control over, because it's just the way things are. For instance, carnivores need to kill other animals to survive. We might consider the act of an animal being killed for food as evil, but we can't control it because then the carnivorous animal would die as well (or become severely sick) from lack of food. Also, we cannot control the evil fact that one day a living thing will die from old age. It's just a fact of life: we will all die one day! So should we now try to concoct some medicine to prevent living things from dieing? No, of course not. So I don't understand why we should try to change the biological diet of carnivorous animals. We might consider it to be evil that carnivores must kill other animals to live, but that's a fact of life, just as dieing of old age is a fact of life. This is absolutely ridiculous. I think it is more cruel to force a carnivorous animal to eat a vegan diet than it is to allow that animal to eat meat. Carnivorous animals (such as cats) cannot live on anything BUT meat; it is just the way that they are biologically made. If you tried to feed a cat a diet exclusively comprised of beans, for instance, it would get very sick and eventually die. This is because cats are obligate carnivores and cannot thrive on vegetarian or vegan foods. They cannot digest carbohydrates, and they need the important amino acids that meat provides, especially Taurine.

I think us humans need to accept the fact that there is always going to be some forms of evil in the world that we have no control over, because it’s just the way things are. For instance, carnivores need to kill other animals to survive. We might consider the act of an animal being killed for food as evil, but we can’t control it because then the carnivorous animal would die as well (or become severely sick) from lack of food.

Also, we cannot control the evil fact that one day a living thing will die from old age. It’s just a fact of life: we will all die one day! So should we now try to concoct some medicine to prevent living things from dieing? No, of course not. So I don’t understand why we should try to change the biological diet of carnivorous animals. We might consider it to be evil that carnivores must kill other animals to live, but that’s a fact of life, just as dieing of old age is a fact of life.

]]> By: Vegan Child Advocate » Blog Archive » Vegan bakery http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-292557 Vegan Child Advocate » Blog Archive » Vegan bakery Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:28:46 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-292557 [...] If you happened to have watched  Good Morning America earlier today, you probably caught this interesting segment on vegan pets.  The show posed a question that still creates much controversy throughout the pet world: Can animals be raised vegan More Vegan News [...] [...] If you happened to have watched  Good Morning America earlier today, you probably caught this interesting segment on vegan pets.  The show posed a question that still creates much controversy throughout the pet world: Can animals be raised vegan More Vegan News [...]

]]> By: Whoever... http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-292017 Whoever... Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:44:39 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-292017 I know Erin... Don't worry ;) In my country there is no vegan or organic pet food (at least that I'm aware of) for sale... And I can't buy it on-line because I don't have a credit card (I don't think payment on delivery is available on these sites). And even if I did have a credit card, the food would have to come from another country which means it could arrive in poor condition! So, unfortunately I'm stuck with the regular pet food for now :( I know Erin… Don’t worry ;)

In my country there is no vegan or organic pet food (at least that I’m aware of) for sale…

And I can’t buy it on-line because I don’t have a credit card (I don’t think payment on delivery is available on these sites). And even if I did have a credit card, the food would have to come from another country which means it could arrive in poor condition!

So, unfortunately I’m stuck with the regular pet food for now :(

]]> By: pleinelune http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-291986 pleinelune Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:33:01 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-291986 Quoting Genny's post: "My personal feeling is that if you can’t handle the ethical issues of owning a carnivore then maybe you shouldn’t own one." There are a wide variety of herbivores looking for someone to adopt them. They are not any less deserving of homes and would make an easier fit with the vegan lifestyle." I have to agree with this. Dogs are omnivores and while some can be vegan, far from all dogs can. Most dogs shouldn't eat grains for example. Cats are carnivores, simple as that. Choosing cruelty free pet food, holistic/organic food (human quality meat/vegetables), organic meat, etc, is in my opinion much better than imposing a vegan lifestyle on a creature that basically needs meat to thrive. There are many choices out there! Just never buy your pet food in the supermarket, it's basically all grain based... If your dog/cat is vegan and doing well, all the better, but like said not all of them will be happy and healthy on a vegan diet... Another option would be adopting a guinea pig - the ultimate vegan cool pet :-) Quoting Genny’s post: “My personal feeling is that if you can’t handle the ethical issues of owning a carnivore then maybe you shouldn’t own one.”
There are a wide variety of herbivores looking for someone to adopt them. They are not any less deserving of homes and would make an easier fit with the vegan lifestyle.”

I have to agree with this.
Dogs are omnivores and while some can be vegan, far from all dogs can. Most dogs shouldn’t eat grains for example.
Cats are carnivores, simple as that.
Choosing cruelty free pet food, holistic/organic food (human quality meat/vegetables), organic meat, etc, is in my opinion much better than imposing a vegan lifestyle on a creature that basically needs meat to thrive. There are many choices out there! Just never buy your pet food in the supermarket, it’s basically all grain based…
If your dog/cat is vegan and doing well, all the better, but like said not all of them will be happy and healthy on a vegan diet… Another option would be adopting a guinea pig – the ultimate vegan cool pet :-)

]]> By: erin http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-291618 erin Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:20:07 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-291618 ps and to "whoever" just wanted to let you know it was just a suggestion with the other brands. feel no guilt my friend if you can't order/afford/get them delivered etc.. i wouldn't ever try to force any brands foods on anyone (or their pets! :) Peace, Erin ps and to “whoever” just wanted to let you know it was just a suggestion with the other brands. feel no guilt my friend if you can’t order/afford/get them delivered etc.. i wouldn’t ever try to force any brands foods on anyone (or their pets! :)

Peace,

Erin

]]> By: erin http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/04/08/vegan-pets-considered-on-abcs-good-morning-america/comment-page-1/#comment-291617 erin Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:18:25 +0000 http://www.ecorazzi.com/?p=15295#comment-291617 Hil, Whoever and Ashley Wow thanks guys for the support. You all said it better than I did anyway. Ashley my 17 year old cat has CRF as well. She also has a heart murmur and tritrichomonas (an "incurable" parasite that has gotten better with holistic health care and her diet) The raw food is good for this and there are a few organic store bought brands that are good too. She did well most of her life but she's practically 100 in people years so now her organs aren't what they used to be. Whoever, not sure where you live but if you have the net and can any deliveries out there you can order from one of these guys. I like Petguard's organic food or Organix neither of which do animal experimentation. Sadly PETA says Friskies and Whiskas do, but it may just be to test the food on the pets, not lab experiments.. But so long as you have an address you should be able to have one of these guys deliver to you... You can find Petguard Organic or Organix on online or one of these other brands as well. I used to give my cats Eagle Pack (it used to be organic but now they just used free range/no hormones but it's not certified... http://www.iamscruelty.com/notTested.asp There's Peta's list of cruelty free brands. Petfooddirect oftentimes doesn't charge shipping. I've found some good organic brands there too. But I trust PETA's list. I mean they're pretty uh... extreme so they're not going to put a brand on that list unless they're really good! Hope that helps. Again you three said it so well. I'd be willing to try a better more natural organic vegan alternative if my cats weren't teenagers but instead I try to incorporate some veggies and vegan supplements into their diet (greens, probiotics, etc) but I'm afraid vegan is not an option for me or many other pet owners. Hil said it best. Why feed your cat some crappy oily fortified cereal if it's not the best for your pet? And it's not like any of us are buying our pets. Sounds like most are rescued! We're just trying to give them the best lives. I'll be sure to adopt that bunny rabbit next time too. lol. One was on my porch this afternoon actually (thought it funny having a bunny there on Easter!) but I didn't let my kitty use her natural instincts and go get him. I made sure bunny went back to nature to live out a nice vegan lifestyle :) Have a good Easter everyone. I'm having a salad with lots of carrots (bunny food for easter ;) which I'll share with my cats! E Hil, Whoever and Ashley

Wow thanks guys for the support. You all said it better than I did anyway.

Ashley my 17 year old cat has CRF as well. She also has a heart murmur and tritrichomonas (an “incurable” parasite that has gotten better with holistic health care and her diet) The raw food is good for this and there are a few organic store bought brands that are good too. She did well most of her life but she’s practically 100 in people years so now her organs aren’t what they used to be.

Whoever, not sure where you live but if you have the net and can any deliveries out there you can order from one of these guys. I like Petguard’s organic food or Organix neither of which do animal experimentation. Sadly PETA says Friskies and Whiskas do, but it may just be to test the food on the pets, not lab experiments.. But so long as you have an address you should be able to have one of these guys deliver to you… You can find Petguard Organic or Organix on online or one of these other brands as well. I used to give my cats Eagle Pack (it used to be organic but now they just used free range/no hormones but it’s not certified…

http://www.iamscruelty.com/notTested.asp

There’s Peta’s list of cruelty free brands.

Petfooddirect oftentimes doesn’t charge shipping. I’ve found some good organic brands there too. But I trust PETA’s list. I mean they’re pretty uh… extreme so they’re not going to put a brand on that list unless they’re really good!

Hope that helps. Again you three said it so well. I’d be willing to try a better more natural organic vegan alternative if my cats weren’t teenagers but instead I try to incorporate some veggies and vegan supplements into their diet (greens, probiotics, etc) but I’m afraid vegan is not an option for me or many other pet owners. Hil said it best. Why feed your cat some crappy oily fortified cereal if it’s not the best for your pet? And it’s not like any of us are buying our pets. Sounds like most are rescued! We’re just trying to give them the best lives. I’ll be sure to adopt that bunny rabbit next time too. lol. One was on my porch this afternoon actually (thought it funny having a bunny there on Easter!) but I didn’t let my kitty use her natural instincts and go get him. I made sure bunny went back to nature to live out a nice vegan lifestyle :)

Have a good Easter everyone.

I’m having a salad with lots of carrots (bunny food for easter ;) which I’ll share with my cats!

E

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