Tracy, I don’t think many people who read this blog regularly are meat eaters. I’m not VT is not, whoever is not (if I might speak for the others.. .hope that’s ok) so I don’t they’re being hypocrites.

Yes I don’t see that Pink has actually said I AM VEGAN! And Yes I’m sure she does wear leather. I’ll even go out on a limb (as Veggie Tart did) and agree that leather is not quite as offensive as fur. It’s sometimes hard to avoid. I go WAY out of my way to find non leather gym shoes/tennis shoes whatever you want to call them. I’m sure ya’ll do too. Most other shoes I can easily find non leather. I was also hard pressed to get a hybrid car with no leather (but I did)

Bottom line FUR is really the worst of the worst. It’s totally unnecessary and only gluttons would wear it.

yes the native Americans might have needed it over a century ago when we hadn’t destroyed the land and all they had were some tee pees for shelter (well it’s true!)

But now we have so many ridiculously warm non leather non fur coats it’s silly!

People look at it as a luxury… and honestly many luxuries hurt other people or animals (giant yachts, big fat Oprah private jets, fur coats, giant HUMMER cars huge oversized tubs for one person that could fit six people… you get the point.

I hope our society is moving toward a more simple frugal way. You can still enjoy life and be happy and have the simple luxuries of a clean eco car, a nice sexy 100% organic hemp jacket, the great outdoors,a delicious gourmet prepared vegan meal (yum!) exploring areas in your own neck of the woods on an eco tour and avoiding big giant planes and cars..

I’ve realized I have more in my own back yard than I realized. I am doing a local trip where I eat at vegan restaurants, go see my local eco tours available here in Florida and they’re all right here in my own back yard.

Peace ya’ll (and I do hope PETA might try using some real vegans (or at least vegetarian) celebs in their ads. Not like there aren’t PLENTY out there!!!!

E

Fair enough. Sorry I was unclear. No hard feelings.

However, I don’t see anywhere on the net that has Pink claiming to be a vegetarian. I don’t know why we would just assume she is?

I think a lot of people assume she is because she does PETA commercials against fur and wool, but PETA always hires non-veg spokespeople so it’s probably a fault assumption.

So please allow me to clear up what I wrote on my previous posts…

Tracy:

- on your first post you wrote “Anti-fur people are just as stupid as Kanye” – well, this would mean that all veg*an people would be stupid and thus my second post; you didn’t specify as you later did that “It is stupid to think it’s ok to eat one animal and not ok to skin another”; we both agree on that; okay, this is one thing that is clear now
- regarding you blog, I wasn’t making fun of it; if it seemed so, I do apologise; what I meant was that one can’t see that picture very well, therefore she might have been eating veg*an food and a non-connoisseur (excuse my French) could easily have mistaken it with non-veg*an food;

Andrew:
- no I’m not “the big hit with the meat eaters”!!! Have I ever cooked veg*an food for meat eaters? Yes I did, what’s wrong with that!?
- “only unsophisticated vegan cooks aim to please the palates of meat eaters” – that’s absurd! Why can’t veg*an cooks try to please meat eaters with our food? Maybe that’s one way to convince them to go veg*an!
- I’m sure Tracy can cook veg*an food better than I can… so!? Good for her! I never meant to say I was a better cook than anyone! And my post is the one that doesn’t make sense?
- “Thus meat eaters who speak out against fur wearers are just one more group of hypocrites.” – I completely agree with you; I’m almost vegan (I only eat eggs from home-bred hens I know are very well treated, and occasionally some honey and that’s it), I’m an environmentalist, I don’t wear leather or fur, I don’t use products that were tested on animals, I volunteer at the local animal shelter and still I believe I could do much more; and no, I’m not bragging okay?

From what I can gather we’re on the same side here… I hope we’re clear now

Oh, and if someone can truly prove Pink (I’m not her fan or anything) actually eats meat and wears REAL leather, than I will agree that she is being a hypocrite!

I appreciate the insight… But you give them a pass on ignorance (usually intentional ignorance) letting them think leather comes from the cows they eat since it’s simply not the case.

Fur, like eating meat, is just humans fulfilling their base need of shelter. So morally, I don’t really view one as better or worse than the other.

However, knowing that people can seek shelter without using fur, and people can provide nourishment without killing animals we as vegans know they are all categorically bad.

To give people cookies and make them feel warm inside for abstaining from fur, while eating meat and wearing a leather jacket does nobody any good. It makes them feel like they’re making a difference and they’re not. It’s not helping any animals (unless you prefer certain species over others which doesn’t make sense). And it’s not helping the environment.

I’m not trying to take a hard line here, I just want people to make sense. Reward behaviors that help your cause, not just behaviors that look like they help your cause.

Now, I’m going to say something that may make people a bit mad. I don’t condone eating or wearing pieces of animals one little bit. I am vegan, and I try to avoid products and services that result from animal exploitation. And if I heard someone say what that idiot Kanye said, I’d want to smack the living snot out of him/her.

HOWEVER, people do eat meat, unfortunately (and ignore the fact that you don’t “need” to eat it). One can argue that humans who consume flesh do get nourishment from it, although it is, of course, far, far from ideal. People can pretend that the cows who died to give them their steaks are clothing them or covering their feet.

When it comes to fur, however, people don’t eat the flesh of the animals killed for that. There’s an old adage about not wearing the skin of animals you wouldn’t eat, and maybe it applies. So while leather and fur certainly are both objectionable, leather is slightly less so.

But I wish people would wear neither and stop eating animals, too.