by Michael dEstries
Categories: Animals, Causes, Film/TV
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Correction: Animal Planet has confirmed that the person in the photo is actually Jeff Hansen, Australian director of Sea Shepherd. Him and Bethune kind of look alike.

Animal Planet has unleashed a new branding campaign — and with it comes a new promo poster for Season Three of their hit series Whale Wars.

The new tagline “Animal Planet. Surprisingly Human.” accompanies a pic of activist Pete Bethune, who is currently being held in Japan on charges related to “trespassing, causing injuries, obstructing commercial activities, vandalism and carrying a weapon”. Bethune was taken into custody in February after boarding the Shonan Maru 2 in an effort to make a citizen’s arrest of its captain. Earlier in the year, Bethune’s ship — the Ady Gil — was sunk by the Maru 2 after a collision in the Southern Ocean.

Whale Wars is set to debut this June on Animal Planet.

About Michael dEstries

Michael has been blogging since 2005 on issues such as sustainability, renewable energy, philanthropy, and healthy living. He regularly contributes to a slew of publications, as well as consulting with companies looking to make an impact using the web and social media. He lives in Ithaca, NY with his family on an apple farm.

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  • georgina0912

    YEAH BABY YEAH!!!!

    Can’t wait for season three of WW, i. just. can’t.

    • bazza

      You cant be serious ! every scene in the next series, like the last, will be contrived bull s*** lies, what Watson does is all about lying and manipulating the pulic to get more donations which he keeps for himself. YOu will see a few water fights, a contrived ramming and subsequent sinking of the Ady Gil which was planned to be rammed in front of the cameras just as Bethine did what he did for publicity. Wow its gonna be a fun series .. nothing happened that wasnt ‘set up’ by the lying scum bag himself.

      I was a crew member so believe it….Watson is an arrogant fraud.

      • gumnut

        Bazza, you dot really expect anyone here to believe that now do you?

      • Bill Clinton

        I’d give Bazza the benefit of the doubt they may not be crew but they know Watson’s tactics inside and out. They will be asking for donations for Bethune’s defense even though he will already be in prison serving his multiple year sentence. I hope Watson reads some of his Vogon poetry

    • http://www.ecorazzi.com Lia

      Well If I dont say..Whats this show about anyway?I was watching the cove(A DOCUMENTARY ON DOLPHIN AND WHALE SLAUGHTERING BY THE JAPANESE)and I was wondering if they happened to harm any of these whale that could be going on extinction because the japanese are estimated 23,000 whale deaths per slaughtering season. I just wanted to say that.

      • Robert Beller

        We’re unhappy with those numbers too hopefully with the new factory ship they’re building they can get that number up to 30,000 maybe 35k.

      • crumpets are yummy

        So how much commission would you be getting for the increase in numbers?

        Gee I sure hope for your sake that there isn’t another
        factory ship fire and i sure hope crew members don’t start flinging themselves overboard after listening to the sounds of the screaming whales…

      • Robert Beller

        I’m paid in whale tears and business is booming like a harpoon grenade. The fire is the reason they secretly commissioned another ship and with ‘arrest and eminent incarceration they can get the support for an all new fleet.

        The sound of screaming whales is the sound of research not unlike the sound of a screaming bunny being blinded for science or a few 100 gibbering monkey after it has their skulls have been crushed to prove a helmet design. Not everybody is a bleeding heart pussy whale screams are a good idea for Peter Bethune I hope they play them for him 24/7

      • gumnut

        Sounds like your “booming business” is busted big time .
        You are sounding like the Ponzi scheme experts at the stock exchanges holding out for another a government bailout. Your booming business is an epic failure and the Japanese whalers are the worlds biggest losers.

      • Robert Beller

        The only thing that was busted this year was Peter Bethune and soon he’ll be jailed. The only thing the Japanese have lost is their patience for criminal thugs the SSCS will learn this over the coming year.

      • imforthewhales

        The Japanese whalers think that all they have is Pete Bethune in a jail cell.

        They are under some impression that they are going to teach all those anti whalers a lesson…the lesson being “don’t mess with the great nation of japan cause we are bigger than all of you and we are going to take what we want when we want and how we want”.

        Thats what they want us all to believe.

        The only thing wrong with that is that rest of us not connected with whaling interests don’t believe them. We don’t believe their spin, we don’t believe their lies, we don’t condone their methods of operation. The anti-whalers will not bow down to the Japanese whalers and they are not going to sell their souls for money as the associates of the whalers have done.

        So there is Pete Bethune in a Japanese jail cell about to learn his lesson by the japanese whaling machine. Sure he would know that there is going to be a show trial and sure he knows that the Japanese will do what they can to make his life as complicated and as miserable as possible.

        But what the Japanese will slowly wake up to is that with Pete Bethune comes a whole host of other problems for them. The first problem is that they
        are going to be tied up trying to find something to charge him with. Then they will have to provide for him, transport him, the whaling industry will have to pay for lawyers and people to take care of the case for them and will have to pay people to do all that paperwork for them…secretaries will be spending time organizing and making phone calls left right and center.

        Then there will be meetings between ambassadors, time spent dealing with other countries, not to mention the press.

        The more you look at it, the more you see that the Japanese will be very busy for quite a period of time and all this is going to be costing the japanese whalers money, and a lot of it.

        Never mind that they will be losing International standing, never mind that they will be losing face.
        never mind that they will be losing money or that people will be posting on the internet about the japanese whalers or posting videos on u tube condeming their treatment of whales and of their own people. Never mind that the rest of the world already tie japan in with the cruel business of whaling. There will be more bad press zooming its way over the airwaves around the world, there will be more movies such as The Cove winning academy awards. Commentators will ask whether the japanese are treating him well, whether they are treating him fairly. The Japanese whaling industry will continue to be in the spotlight until the time that Pete Bethune is free. Until then they will have Sea Sheperd on their backs and all the people of the world who hate whaling.

        Even after that if they decide that whaling is the way forward for them, even if they treat Pete Bethune as a scapegoat, they will never be free of the bad stigma that surrounds them.

        At the end of the day will they be changing anyones minds on the whaling issue? Somehow I don’t think so. They will fail in this endeavor, just as they have failed miserably to reach their quota of whales in the Southern ocean for the past 6 years.

        And not one person will like Japanese whalers any better.

      • Robert Beller

        The Japanese don’t care if you’re stupid they’ve got a jail cell waiting for you too. Nobody that matters gives two wet farts about Bethune or his supporters ignorant bravado. Watson can have all the boats he wants without a flagging nation they are just a hole in the water that he’ll need to throw money into.

      • sinktheboats

        I wonder what the audience of WW3 will make of all of this…I heard Pete Bethune was being fed nothing but cabbage and rice up to this point and being kept in solitary confinement.

        Should make for some interesting viewing folks.

      • Robert Beller

        A vast majority of the fans of Whale Whores will say, “Finally!” I imagine you’ll hear the collective cheer at Buffoons plight just by opening a window when it airs. You know a majority of WW watches are critics right? Why do you think AP recently took down the WW forum? Because it showed just how little support Watson get on an open forum. All of his “millions” of adoring fans were about as loud as a squirrel fart. Now AP is rethinking an open forum because they know Watson supporters can’t hold their own when presented with real world facts.

      • gumnut

        Roberto, the problem is that the religious pro whaling zealots, most of them with vested interests, can be found all over the place on the net including here.

        I’m afraid yo all need new strategies because the ones you are playing with right now don’t seem to be working too well.

        You can pretend all you like that you know whats going on but it really makes no difference to anything because at the end of the day the real meat and veg of the matter has nothing to do with any no name bored pro whaling drones.

        I mean you and your cronies probably thought you had scored some sort of victory when you started plying the AP forum with your special brand of abuse and hate filled comments.

        But at the end of the day AP is still going to produce whale wars and Sea Sheperd will still be going to the southern ocean to make sure japan isn’t earning any money from whaling.

        What you and your bum chums have to say doesn’t mean didly but it is fun having you here to poke a stick at.

        It must really be eating you up that the japanese whalers fared so poorly this year.

  • Michael Raymer

    I have to say, I don’t think too much of this poster. It IS about the whales, and if it isn’t, I’m not watching.

    • Steph

      I agree. “Crazy die hards?” Not a fan of that…..

  • Mick

    “It’s not about whales”

    It’s nice to see AP admitting the truth for a change.

    • From MN, with hope…

      Sea Shepherd and Animal Planet are two separate entities. I dont like this poster though. It sets the debate back to the ratings subject, which we passed a while back…

    • Mick

      However, I don’t agree with AP about the SS’s being “crazy”. Unless, of course, AP means “crazy” in the sense that watson and possibly other members of SS have various personality and/or mental disorders.

      • Imforthewhales

        Mick obviously AP don’t mean crazy as in crazy la la, but pro whalers such as yourself will automatically assign mental health issues to all of the SS crew where and when they can, including forums such as this. Never mind that its a deceptive ploy, if the pro whalers can see an angle in it then the will go for it.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “Mick obviously AP don’t mean crazy as in crazy la la..”

        I know, that’s why a said that I don’t agree with AP calling them “crazy”.

        “..a deceptive ploy..”

        A ploy? Not at all. I truly believe watson has some kind of personality disorder and/or mental problem. He definately appears to have low self- esteem. Which is evidenced by him constantly forcing himself into the forefront of the whaling issue at the expense of everyone and everything. Including the whales he claims he is protecting. Like the poster says, “It’s not about whales”. It’s all about watson and his ego-driven need to be in the limelight.

      • Imforthewhales

        What particular personality disorder are you referring to here…?

        Have you ever studied psychology or psychiatry?

        By your rational, if I am reading this correctly …anyone who takes the lead against environmental destruction by those looking to make a quick buck against world opposition must have a personality disorder.

        Do you think thats fair or rational?

        Or do you proclaim this because it suits your purpose??

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “What particular personality disorder are you referring to here…?”

        Antisocial personality disorder, is one possibility.

        “Have you ever studied psychology or psychiatry?”

        No, I have no formal training in these areas. This is strictly my personal opinion.

        “…if I am reading this correctly..”

        No, you are not reading it correctly. I believe that watson has some kind of mental disorder due to his past actions, his apparent need to lie and articles I have read where he talks about his childhood and early family life. Taken together, I believe there is a clear indication that he is suffering from some form of mental problem.

        “..do you proclaim this because it suits your purpose??”

        Not at all. I am simply stating my opinion.

      • Robert Beller

        Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) is defined by the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual as “…a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood.” Deceit and manipulation are considered essential features of the disorder. Therefore, it is essential in making the diagnosis to collect material from sources other than the individual being diagnosed. Also, the individual must be age 18 or older as well as have a documented history of a conduct disorder before the age of 15. People having antisocial personality disorder are sometimes referred to as “sociopaths” and “psychopaths”, although some researchers believe that these terms are not synonymous with ASPD

        Diagnostic criteria, three or more of the following are required:

        1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
        2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
        3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
        4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
        5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
        6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
        7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

        From what I see Watson meets all 7 criteria. Doesn’t he brag in one of his books he was a troublemaker as a child who shot someone with a BB because he disagreed with them?

      • June Daly Watkins

        Thats sums up the Japanese whalers perfectly i think.

      • Imforthewhales

        Ha ha good one Robert,

        1. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;

        Sums up the Japanese whalers pretty well there!

        2. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;

        You could have added ” vote buying” in there too but thats fine as it is probably…calling commercial whaling ” scientific” probably comes under repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; as does the lying about their blue fin tuna catches.

        3. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;

        yeah like plan ahead for 200 whales instead of ten thousand…LOL

        4. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;

        “I Am Furious,” Said the Whaling Fleet’s Leader Shigetoshi Nishiwaki. :) sounds a tad irritable, non?

        5. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others;

        See Japanse ship sink Ady Gil here AT RAMMING SPEED!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXh1tW16V-8

        6. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;

        Irresponsible as in disregarding the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling? Refuelling inside the Antartic whale sanctuaries? hunting Blue fin tuna to near extinction?

        Enuff said!

        7. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.

        Did you see those Japanese whaling terrorists try to squirt the Ady Gil crew after they had just chopped their ship in half? You would have loved that bit cucumber. Personally i thought that showed a lack of remorse, considering that they were supposed to stop and help and recover any bodies… just as i thought it was pretty heartless of the japanese not to let the Steve Irwin help search for their sick crew member who decided that listening to screaming whales was not really his thing after all and decided that the better option was to throw himself over the side into the freezing Antarctic waters. Interesting too how having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another ( ala Ady Gil) that they decide to then take Pete Bethune back to to japan and throw him into some smelly japanese jail so that they can have a show trial?

        Yep….definitely a lack of remorse there.

        So Robert or any of your other aliases … do you think the Japanese have a serious personality disorder? They do kinda fit your criteria!

      • Robert Beller

        Man,your one desperate bird when you’re cornered I’m sure Do Do birds had nothing on your defensive capabilities.

        1 The Japanese aren’t breaking any laws Watson’s parrots never cite any laws they cite BS or nothing.

        2 Only an ignorant racist is going to try to apply a protocol designed for individuals to an entire race.

        3 No, more like the failure to plan what your going to do when the entire world laughs at your pleas to release their criminal crew member.

        4 Shigetoshi Nishiwaki didn’t break the law to make his point.

        5 The Japanese finally defended themselves from the highly dangerous and illegal harassment of self proclaimed pirates. You’ll notice the Japanese aren’t being arrest or deflagged for their actions.

        6 Article 8 negates all sanctuaries and moratoriums the Japanese paid the fine for refueling unlike the SSCS who abandoned the Sea Shepherd II in Barclay sound to rot because they didn’t want to pay the berthing fees. They also ignored the lawful $45,000 fine Canada laid on them.

        7 The Japanese weren’t obligated to feel remorse for defending themselves from criminals.

        Your epic fail didn’t change the fact that Watson very likely has ASPD.

      • Robert Beller

        MV SEA SHEPHERD ABANDONED IN BARCLAY SOUND

        The SSCS claim the Sea Shepherd II was sold but the real truth is they didn’t want to pay what they considered unfair mooring fees so they dumped their contaminated scow on the town of Ucluelet . I’m sure the fat man’s excuse is the SSCS can’t control how their ship is disposed of after they “sell” it to someone else.

        Comment found on FARK.com

        “You mean those talentless fools who abandoned their “Sea Shepherd II” boat in the Uclulet harbour in 1992? I just looked at their site, and it says they “sold” it. BS! They left it to sink, sat there for more than a year and a half. I was there and helped dispose of the more than 20,000 gallons of oil contaminated bilge water floating around in it’s hull. The bill came to over 15 grand for the cleanup, and was borne by the townspeople of Ucluelet”.

        http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=1905689

        Excerpt from “Around Vancouver Island”:

        “The next morning is beautiful and we go exploring. Port Alberni Yacht Club is on an island and there are trails leading around the island. We walk the trails and explore some of the beaches with Ernest, Brian and Ted. There is a moored, half sunk freighter in the bay across from the Yacht Club. What the freighter is doing there, we have no idea. [UPDATE 2002: Per one of my readers, this ship was/is the Sea Shepherd II of Captain Paul Watson fame, which was basically abandoned for unpaid moorage near Ucluelet and later moved to Robbers Passage in Barkley Sound."

        http://www.tgw.net/sailing/avi/ch4.htm

        Here are pictures of the SSCS vessel "Sea Shepherd II" rotting away in Robbers Passage Barclay sound. Thanks to Ray Morgan of bcmarina.com for the documentation.

        http://bcmarina.com/Places/Robbers_Passage/Websize/thumbnails.html

        According to this: http://www.sqwalk.com/docs/BCsHarbourHulks_WatershedSentinelSeptOct09.pdf

        Sea Shepherd II
        In April 2004, the MV Sea Shepherd II, located in Robbers Pass, Tzartus Island [also in Barkley Sound], was in a derelict state and in danger of sinking. By May 11, 2004, 188 tonnes of a mixture of waste oil and diesel was pumped off the Sea Shepherd II, but some 16 gallons per hour of seawater was leaking back into the vessel. On May 26, 2004, the vessel was taken in tow, arriving at the Esquimalt graving dock the next day for break up. By June 17, 2004, seven large waste bins of oiled debris had been removed from the vessel. By July 30, 2004, the break up of the vessel had been completed.
        Cost to SOPF: $331,892.31 plus interest

        Even more to be found on the matter here: http://www.ssopfund.gc.ca/documents/2009_SSOPF_AR_e.pdf

        On this background it could prove hard for the SS to find potential “buyers” for their worn-out vessels in the future.
        And it could also serve as a reminder for the countires willing to harbour SS vessels, dodging mooring expenses, and “selling” decomissioned hulls to untraceable buyers who just leave them to rust and sink….hardly any environmently sound practice, and bad buisness for the harbouring authority.

        Quoting:
        2.6 Sea Shepherd II (2004)
        In April 2004, the Canadian Coast Guard (CCG) received a number of reports that the MV Sea Shepherd II, located in Robbers Pass, Tzartus Island, British Columbia, was in a derelict state and in danger of sinking. The CCG, TCMS, and Provincial authorities attended on-scene to investigate. It was concluded that the vessel’s condition made it a threat to the marine environment.
        The ownership of the vessel could not be determined, so no assistance was forthcoming from that quarter. A Response Order under CSA section 678 was issued on April 26, 2004, by the Commissioner of the Canadian Coast Guard.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “Sums up the Japanese whalers pretty well there!”

        “..do you think the Japanese have a serious personality disorder?”

        Are you seriously trying to attribute a personality disorder to an entire GROUP of people and the entire POPULATION of a country???

        Are you THAT desperate to defend watson from the suggestion that he might have a mental disorder or do you just hate Japanese people THAT much?

      • imforthewhales

        Mick, only an obsessed pro whaler could come up with a sad reply such as that. Its hardly worth pointing out, because everyone else would have got it by now, that by japanese it is referring to the japanese who are involved in the bloody practice of whaling.

        One might be forgiven for thinking that you may have a personality disorder if you keep flailing wildly like that in the future.

        You are trying hard to be a man of success, that much is clear, but perhaps you should take a leaf from old Albert who said “Try not to become a man of success, but rather try to become a man of value”.

        BTW what makes you think I hate the Japanese that much? I actually like Japan and have traveled there many times. I have wined and dined in Tokyo and Kyoto, stayed in some very nice hotels, seen some sights including some lovely old temples, and overall had a cracking good time.

        What I do hate is the unwavering support for a cruel industry that is propped up by government lackeys against world opinion for a dying industry using poor cultural excuses.

      • gumnut

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE4smqVIb4g

        Is this really you robert?

      • Robert Beller

        No, isn’t that your Mom? You must have posted some of your candid family moments by mistake.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “..that by japanese it is referring to the japanese who are involved in the bloody practice of whaling.”

        So, you contend that a group consisting of hundreds of Japanese people have a personality disorder due to the fact that they are involved in whaling? To what degree does a person have to be involved in whaling in order for you to believe they have a personality disorder? Is it also your contention that only Japanese people involved in whaling have a personality disorder or do you believe everyone in the world involved with whaling has a personality disorder?

        “I actually like Japan and have traveled there many times.”

        Oh? You’ve been to Japan? Well then, if you’ve been here, then obviously it would be impossible for you to hate Japan and Japanese people. I would like to hear about your impressions of the country and about what you saw. What did you think of Kyoto? I’ve been there twice, myself. Which temples did you visit?

      • gumnut

        Yes i like Japan, hotels are nice and clean, well organized, the people are polite, , went out with my japanese friends for dinner and for some karaoke afterwards, we had a great time, and to a couple of events, I wandered around the temples in Kyoto ( caught the shinkansen train there)..maybe did three or four of the maiin ones but there are so many… and the japanese gardens, museums … all very nice of course, even caught a wedding at one of the temples and have some v nice photos of same. Lots of performers in some of the bigger Japanese parks…even whole bands…Elvis impersonators…people seem v fond of dressing up in weird outfits on the street, inside a hotel you will find a different kind of dressing up for high tea..all very formal and polite, best china and white gloves etc. They are very fond of lots of sugar and white flour with their cakes. Have stayed at the ” lost in translation” hotel in Tokyo…swam in the pool there and had some lychee cocktails on the top floor bar ..one of the best hotels i have ever stayed in.

      • Mick

        gumnut,

        So, you have visited Japan, too? Which temples did you visit in Kyoto? The temples are spread out around the city. How did you get around? By bus, by train or taxi? How did you get to Kyoto? Did you travel there from Tokyo? You caught the Shinkansen in Kyoto? So, you were in Kyoto station. What did you think? Pretty cool, huh?

        “…people seem v fond of dressing up in weird outfits on the street”

        That’s strange. Where was this? Kyoto?

        “inside a hotel you will find a different kind of dressing up for high tea..all very formal and polite, best china and white gloves etc.”

        That’s very odd, too. Where was this? Was this hotel in Kyoto? Which hotel was it?

        “Have stayed at the ” lost in translation” hotel in Tokyo…”

        Cool. I haven’t seen that movie. Do you remember the name of the hotel?

    • imforthewhales

      Mick I have only been to kyoto once, i went to the Tofukujo temple in Kyoto and also traveled further out to a few of the smaller temples. One of at them. the temples we went to had a zen garden ( where they rake the stones into patterns)..all very peaceful and people like to sit and stare at them for hours.

      Had fun there, the transport is fairly efficient…love the trains they have over there and being able to order a bento box on the train as you travel. In fact the whole of Japan is fairly efficient and they certainly make use of the space that they have what with the rice paddies just about everywhere.

      The thing that spoils japan for me is the high level of pollution in the cities especially Tokyo. Thats one thing they need to work on some more.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        I see. How did you get to Kyoto? Did you travel there from Tokyo?
        Ah, so you went to the Tofuku-Ji temple. You mis-spelled it. It makes a big difference. “Jo” means “castle” and “Ji” means “temple”. Did you go to Kinkaku-ji or Ginkaku-ji? Did you see Nijo castle?
        I didn’t think the pollution was that bad, myself. I would say the air pollution in Phoenix, AZ was worse then what I’ve seen in Japan.

  • From MN, with hope…

    Probably no cameras on the Bob Barker, which decreased the number.

    • Darius

      Nope, we did have a full Animal Planet camera crew aboard the Bob. Between the 3 ships we totaled, I believe, 77 people.

    • bazza

      Planet Wars cameras on the Bob Barker were rolling when the AG was rammed, why ? because it was a a set up. The boat was not owned by SS when it went to the bottm, it was owned by Ady Gil who bought it.. it was only leased by Watson for $10,000 ……… the whole thing was planned.

    • gumnut

      Its a good thing the camera were rolling….the moment of Japanese aggression was captured forever for about 500 million people when they sit down to watch WW3.

      Better than any war movie.

    • Robert Beller

      There isn’t 5 million people sitting down to a third tier cable show like Whale Whores. The SSCS thought millions of Kiwis would spring to Peter Bethune’s aid and now they are stuck with the reality that no one give a sh*t about a common criminal.

    • imforthewhales

      Pete Bethune hasn’t been convicted of anything so hard to see where you get the common criminal tag.

      Unfortunately the government of New Zealand sold their soul to the Japanese department of fisheries some time ago, to the detriment of their own people now out of a job. Which is sad because the people of New Zealand deserve better treatment.

      New Zealand are not supporting Pete Bethune as they should, but because of their close ties with japanese fishing interests, their japanese masters might not like it if they suddenly take then to task over the Pete Bethune case.

      Naturally, the actual people of NZ feel differently and are disgusted at the treatment of Pete Bethune by his own government and New Zealands appeasement of the japanese government over whaling.

    • Robert Beller

      The criminal tag comes from the fact that Buffoon has admitted to criminal activity before his trial and Japan has a well known 99.8 percent conviction rate. Bethune and the SSCS in general aren’t supported in New Zealand because unlike the former penal colony of AU they respect the law and they don’t want to encourage criminal activity. You douche bags sound like a broken record of ignorance when you spout your conspiracy theories.

    • gumnut

      Robert beller would you treat your dog/ cat/ horse the way that the Japanese treat whales? Would you watch someone harpoon a dog/ cat/ horse and not say anything?

      Just wondering.

    • Robert Beller

      You ever been to China or Korea? People eat dogs and cats all the time and fools like you get all broke up over it I don’t. Whales aren’t pets silly Rabbit they are for eating.

    • gumnut

      So by that rational, you would have no problem eating your own dog or cat because then you would be a fool.

      Right?

      Would you stand by and watch someone harpoon it?

  • Robert Beller

    I hear next season will be called “Jail Wars” it will follow Peter Bethune’s multiple years of incarceration. He’ll be joined by the 12 other dupes Watson claims he has waiting in the wings to break the law next season. It has never been about the whales Paul Watson proved that last season when he stood by and watch whales being killed right in front of him. He’s always saying he’s willing to die for whales but unfortunately not those particular whales. Maybe Watson meant Wales the country, that would make more sense because he just stood by like he was in Greenpeace or something. Then he ran from Phantom Ninja coast guard vessels in an attempt to protect his $250,000 worth of AP footage. NOPE it’s never been about the Whales hits it right on the head.

  • TitaniumTotem

    If anyone thinks Animal Planet has ever been in it for anything but the ratings, think again. That’s all it’s ever been. Since there is a strong possibility that this will be their last season, don’t blame them for milking this for everything they can get out of it.

    • imforthewhales

      If this was the last season of Japanese whaling I fail to see how this would be a bad thing. I’m sure all would be rejoicing.

      Whats wrong with a TV company being interested in its ratings?

  • georgina0912

    Either way, if it was called “Jail Wars” i would still watch it because it would still be a show about people putting their money where their mouth is.
    And yes, the poster may say it is not about the WHALES (not Wales), but, do we know what the show is about yes or no???? That does not make me less excited about the upcoming season.

    • TitaniumTotem

      Why is it the same person taking in the money but always someone else who puts it on the line and pays the price?

      • Imforthewhales

        are you talking about the whalers there?

    • Robert Beller

      Jail Wars Japan is going to be pretty boring because your not allowed to talk in Japanese prison. Peter’s days will consist of forced labor, bland meals and draconian discipline for the slightest of infractions. I must agree it would be very entertaining to see SSCS members suffer the description below

      http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/16/1039656342348.html

      Look up Chobatsu because I’m sure Peter will learn it well.

      P.S. Paul Watson should have been in Wales for all the good he’s done for the whales. His misguided antics have the Kiwi’s looking to endorse commercial whaling.

      I absolutely know what the show is about it’s about the world’s most nautical nincompoops and their failed efforts to do anything of substance.

      • Michael Raymer

        “P.S. Paul Watson should have been in Wales for all the good he’s done for the whales.”

        “I absolutely know what the show is about it’s about the world’s most nautical nincompoops and their failed efforts to do anything of substance.”

        If that’s the case and you truly feel this way, why are you here? If they are not accomplishing “anything of substance”, why do you care one way or another? Do you always rush home to the computer when you see someone accomplishing nothing?

      • Robert Beller

        I’m here for the same reason most people go to see car races; the horrible wrecks. Car races accomplish nothing but they have a huge fan base Nautical Nincompoops is the proverbial “it was so terrible I couldn’t look away” moment. I’ve got news for you since WW made the general public aware of the SSCS their fan base has grown exponentially. Unfortunately 99% of them are fans because they dislike Watson’s lies and obfuscations. People love to watch and comment on do nothing morons and their failures all the time why do you think the “Three Stooges” is still so popular?

        P.S. I don’t have to rush anywhere the idiots at the SSCS spam the internet their lies and criminal activity for all the world to see. All I need to do is get wind that Watson’s is talking to know he’s lying.

      • Imforthewhales

        All i need to do is get wind of a pro whaler on a chat forum somewhere to know that he is making pot shots at people who get off their arse every morning to make a difference to others. All I need is to get wind of a pro whaler to know that they will be making unsubstantiated claims that they have no hope of proving. All i need to do is get wind of a pro whaler somewhere in cyberspace that he will be using bully boy tactics, creating figures out of thin air, calling
        those who have never been convicted of a crime ” criminals” and generally, through being a part of a little band of sewing circle freaks, supporting a cruel, unnecessary, inhumane, violent, deadly rape of the worlds oceans.

      • Imforthewhales

        “I absolutely know what the show is about it’s about the world’s most nautical nincompoops and their failed efforts to do anything of substance.”

        Now come on, thats not really fair…the whalers are at least trying to fill their quota…

        Sorry that they lose a few good men from time to time but you cant help bad luck now can you? Just because they kill a few off in factory ship fires and so forth, could happen to anyone really?

        Some marks for trying though i say.

        Still, not to worry, the japanese tax payers can help out (again!)

        Better luck next year nincompoops!

        “I Am Furious,” Said the Whaling Fleet’s Leader Shigetoshi Nishiwaki. :)

        12 April 2010 – 10:37pm

        The Japanese whaling catch this year is the lowest it has been in a long time, and the whalers place the blame of the low catch firmly on Sea Shepherd. According to the AFP: The fleet’s catch of 507 whales was down sharply on last year’s cull of 680 and below the target of about 850, said Japan’s Fisheries Agency, which blamed a total of 31 days of harassment by the Sea Shepherd group.

      • Robert Beller

        Are you really dumb enough not to understand the Japanese are going to play up their losses this season to increase Bethune’s jail time? This is all part of Japanese push to introduce new laws aimed at Watson criminal activity. Your “victory” will be very short lived Bethune’s conviction is going to make it very hard for the SSCS to find a flag in the future. BTW, how’s the Bob Barker doing wracking up berthing fees laid up in port. You do know the SSCS lost their free berth a couple of years ago. It can cost $50,000 a month to park a vessel that size.

      • imforthewhales

        The Japanese whaling fleet set out for the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary with a permit issued by the Japanese government to kill 935 protected Minke whales, 50 endangered fin whales and 50 endangered humpback whales. Their objective was to kill 1035 whales in total.

        Intervention by the three ships of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society prevented them from taking that number. Sea Shepherd crewmembers were successful in cutting that kill quota by more than half. Their success at saving the humpbacks was 100%, and their success at saving fin whales was 98%.

        Of the fifty humpback whales that were targeted, they did not take a single one.

        Of the fifty fin whales that were targeted, they managed to kill only one.

        Of the 935 targeted Minke whales, they killed 506.

        In total, the illegal Japanese whalers murdered 507 whales.

        Sea Shepherd successfully saved 528 whales- our biggest impact on the whale quota to date.

      • Robert Beller

        And that will weight heavily on Peter Bethune at his trial. The Japanese are more that happy to heap their “loses” on the Back of the SSCS this year to insure a long and unhappy stay for Bethune. This will also make it easier for Japan to block the SSCS future attempts at registry. Let’s not forget the Dutch are in the process of changing their maritime rules to deflag Watson’s last vessel.

      • imforthewhales

        I’m not so sure about that, if you are referring to remember the recent deflagging by Togo of a SS ship, then it pays to remember Togo is a lackey of the Japanese and Togo receives millions upon millions of yen from Japan in the form of ” aid” ( and vote accordingly with their puppet masters in the IWC)

        I don’t think that was an unexpected event.

        I’m fairly sure that both the Bob barker and Steve Irwin will be flagged by the Netherlands before too long.

      • Robert Beller

        Oh yeah you’ve got noting on the 9/11 conspiracy nuts. You’re one constant line of BS with absolutely no proof. How is it Japan can “outspend” all the anti-whaling nations combined? Did they use up all of bribe money buying the pause in whaling?

        You’re a one trick spam pony on the way to the glue factory.

      • sinktheboats

        You go ahead and keep defend the sick enterprise that is whaling..whale you can…”for the times…they are a chang….in….”

        ************************************************

        The territory declared the safe zone for whales at a gathering of the South Pacific Whale Research Consortium in Auckland on Wednesday.

        The sanctuary is the 11th to be created in the Pacific region. Whaling will be outlawed in the 20,000 square km of Tokelau’s exclusive economic zone.

        Consortium member Karen Sack says the addition of Tokelau to the list of territories and nations opposing whaling, will put pressure on the International Whaling Commission to enforce a moratorium on the activity.

        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/stories/2010/04/14/1247fe0b36f1

  • Kimitake Hiraoka

    Sure isn’t about the whales! It never was.

    It’s about money and publicity for Paul Watson and his band of violent thugs.

    Remarkable that Animal Planet continues to glamourise and support violent criminal activity.

    • georgina0912

      Uuuhhhhh there you are. I was starting to miss you.

    • georgina0912

      Your opinion.

    • Michael Raymer

      Kimi,
      Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

      http://www.seashepherd.org/who-we-are/our-history.html

      The man has been at this for over 30 years. Reality TV (such as it is) has been around for more than ten years. Whale Wars is just now going into its third season. Why does this need to be explained to you? How do you not connect the dots on this?

      The money goes into Sea Shepherd. The publicity goes towards getting people to be aware of an insane and cruel practice being conducted by insane and cruel people.

      Who takes a boat into the Anarctic to attract attention? Who takes a boat into the ice for 30 years for “publicity”? Asinine posts like yours show who is in fact starved for attention.

      • Michael Raymer

        OK, so out of one side of you peoples mouths, they are a bunch of incompetent, hippie volunteers. But now, out of the other side of the ever-widening mouth, they should be criticized for bringing in some trained professionals and putting them on salary.

        And here’s a source of information for charities that you don’t have to register for.

        http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=5784

        Notice the 4 stars? And the revenues are not fixed. As a charity, they continue to get donations, including from some big donors. So, no, the revenues will not be used up in 7 years (but you’re smart enough to know that, ain’tcha).

      • The Infidel

        “At that rate salaries will use all the revenues within 7 years.”

        Accounting firms must be lining up at your doorstep in the hopes of being granted some crumbs of your financial insight…

        Better be careful with such predictions though. A famous statistician once decied to wade through a river with an average depth of 1 meter. He drowned.

        Michael — it’s nothing new. One second SSCS are incompetent vegan hippies, the next moment they’re Al Quaeda and the Imperial Stormtroopers rolled into one consumer-friendly TV format. There’s just no pleasing some people ;)

      • Robert Beller

        They haven’t even been doing it for 6 years! They only do their Antarctic fundraising cruises for about 3 month out of the year so at best they’ve been at it for 18 months (or less). Not to mention most of that time is spent with their thumbs up their butts looking for the research fleet and it takes almost a month to get to and from the research grounds. I would put their actual contact time with the research fleet at a few weeks maybe a couple of months if you include the time chasing one of the six research ships, but nothing more. Hell, the first season (2004 they didn’t even find the fleet even though they begged for help from Greenpeace.

      • Robert Beller

        Michael Raymer, April 9, 2010 at 5:48 am

        “Notice the 4 stars? And the revenues are not fixed. As a charity, they continue to get donations, including from some big donors. So, no, the revenues will not be used up in 7 years (but you’re smart enough to know that, ain’tcha)”.

        Notice that four star rating is based on old information CharityNavigator’s information only goes to 2007. The SSCS hasn’t submitted new information so for all you know they may be a one star charity now. And yes it is the responsibility of the charity to submit that info but why not rest on your laurels I’m sure Watson gets tired real easily.

    • http://www.veganjapan.net herwin

      kimi, you have something against money ? and whats wrong with being a band of violent thugs ? we cant be all mother theresa !! and glamourizing violent criminal activity ? whats wrong with that ? the best hollywood movies are movies glamourizing criminals, like “The Godfather” !!
      “Whale War Season 3 : Political Prisoner Bethune” i cant wait to see it !!!!

      • Abe

        I can’t wait to see the stupid look on Watsons face as the Ady Gil goes under.

      • The Infidel

        Animal Planet, SSCS and Kleenex thank you for your loyalty, consumer Abe!

    • Imforthewhales

      Didn’t you get any attention off your parents as a child Kimitake…(???)

      Are you really Japanese or just a Glen Inwood thug in disguise?

  • Cruncher Block

    Season 3 will not be about the whales. It will follow the actions of Peter Buffoon during Operation Turd In The Punchbowl! It will show how he has been digging on whale meat in jail, and there will be a new music video called Whale Ham in the Slam!

    The money goes to Paul Fatson’s food budget, which is pretty darn big!

    • imforthewhales

      n total, the illegal Japanese whalers murdered 507 whales.

      Sea Shepherd successfully saved 528 whales- our biggest impact on the whale quota to date.

      It was worth the months of effort. It was worth the cost. It was worth the loss of the Ady Gil. It was worth the arrest of Captain Pete Bethune.

      Thanks to the courageous crews on the Steve Irwin, the Bob Barker, and the Ady Gil, thanks to the hundreds of shore based volunteers, thanks to the thousands of supporters, and thanks to Bob Barker and Ady Gil, Sea Shepherd hunted down the whale killers, confronted them, harassed them, and shut down their operations for a third of their season.

      What did this cost the Japanese fleet?

      If the average value of a whale is a quarter of a million dollars, then we succeeded in depriving the Japanese whaling fleet of around $132 million USD.

      It is safe to say that the Japanese whaling industry did not make a profit this season. The whaling fleet needs to kill at least 700 whales just to break even on expenses.

      • Robert Beller

        Once again your celebration is going to be short lived when the Japanese turn your “victory” into states evidence against your incarcerated SSCS member. BTW, you’re full of crap if the Japanese need 700 whales to turn a profit what were they doing during the 17 years of JARPA I when their quota was 440? The simple fact of the matter is Japan doubled their stated quota when Watson first said he was going to interfere with their research. Now they can claim a huge “loss” which they can blame on the SSCS. This allows them to fit the SSCS well within the definition of piracy in the future. You really are dumb if you can’t see this.

        The Japanese NEVER have made a profit from whale research just like the USA has never made money off of cancer research. All Watson actions are doing is encouraging a whaling mentality throughout the entire Japanese population and it is spreading to NZ and the US. Both of these countries are looking into commercial whaling as an option.

      • imforthewhales

        I think you are missing the point Robert.

        Pete Bethune knew what the Japanese were capable of when they hauled him back to Japan. He decided upon his course of action and he took his opportunity. We are yet to see what will happen so its no good conjecturing about the future.

        Its likely that this will be a show trial for the good of the Japanese whaling industry and Pete Bethune may not come out of this well as far as time away from his beloved family is concerned.

        What is so great about Pete Bethune’s sacrificial actions is it will expose the Japanese whaling conglomerate for what they are and show the world what the whalers are made of if they decide to make trumped up charges stick.

        The whole point of Pete Bethunes actions and that of SS is to save whales, to help stop the Japanese whaling thugs from letting rip with their harpoons and taking these great animals out of the worlds oceans. They are fighting for whale-kind and ultimately all of mankind and the rights of future generations to inhabit our planet.

        You might find this hard to understand, maybe you don’t care about mankind…or the earth from whence you sprung. Perhaps you have never done anything of note so cannot understand.

        Some people are just destined to live a higher life than average I guess. Its always easier for those who don’t know what it is like to get out there and make a difference to cast false assertions against those who are out there living for real.

        At the end of the day whether you are sitting in a japanese jail keeping the japanese legal system tied up in knots and the ever-so-broke whaling companies paying out for lawyers or whether you are placing yourself in harms way in front of a japanese whaling ship down in the southern ocean then you are doing the whole of mankind a favor by helping to stop illegal whaling.

      • Robert Beller

        BWHA,,HA,HA,HA,HA! You think Peter Buffoon thought he knew what he was getting into! Why were the SSCS and Bethune’s wife shocked by the additional charges? Why is there a “Free Bethune” movement in the SSCS if it was their plan to fight the charges? Watson was hoping history would repeat itself and the Japanese would release him. Fat boy even brought up the release of his criminal former wife and Alex Cornelissen as an example. What a dope!

        BWHA,HA,HA! You think Peter Buffoon is “tying the Japanese justice systems in knots”!

        BWHA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA,HA!!! Stop! stop! you’re going to make me wet myself.

        Buffoon doesn’t have a chance against his trespassing and weapons charges he has admitted to them. His “my knife was a tool” defense is pathetic as your constant blathering. The Japanese may show mercy on Buffoon because he’s angling for a insanity plea.

        You don’t understand that Peter Buffoon was forgotten before he illegally boarded. Even with all the spamming you and the 10 “other” SSCS members try you can’t get Peter Bethune to Google Trend beyond articles citing him as a criminal and nothing more. Operation stir up NZ was an EPIC FAILURE!

      • imforthewhales

        Robert you are as over the top as the Japanese whalers. In fact you are sounding a little insane today, perhaps you forgot your medication?

  • AnimuX

    Whale Wars is one of the best things to happen for the “Save the Whales” movement in decades. It took an important issue that had disappeared into obscurity and put it right back in the living rooms of people’s homes. A great tool for raising awareness as well as a ratings machine for Animal Planet. It’s a win-win for conservation efforts and television profits.

    As for the concept that Sea Shepherd is “just in it for the money”, I think the history of the organization proves that is absolutely untrue. For over 30 years SSCS has been actively working against sealing, whaling and poaching all over the world. It’s been particularly effective against “pirate whalers” (that’s private groups whaling completely outside of IWC regulations in the 70s and 80s) and against poachers in the Galapagos (where SSCS has been helping law enforcement protect the world heritage site for years now).

    Sea Shepherd has been doing this for decades without a reality TV show and without any big budget. Charity evaluations have consistently shown most of the donations go directly to operational expenses (to action – not overhead). The allegations of terrorism are to be expected from those who want to see destructive industries succeed and look for any possible loophole to justify the subversion of international conservation efforts. However, it’s a fact that in over 30 years of operation, Sea Shepherd has NOT killed or beaten any person or even threatened to.

    Personally, I’m looking forward to the next season of Whale Wars and to a day when the cruel, destructive and unnecessary whaling industry is finally brought to an end world-wide. I hope the efforts of Sea Shepherd and other conservation organizations help to bring this about as soon as possible.

    • Hufingraz

      Best commment I have seen yet!!! This season is going to be awesome. Sea Shepherd financially destroyed the whalers this year. Only problem I have with this last campaign is Pete Bethune sacrificing himself. It wasn’t even mentioned in the Canadian news, although it did happen when the Olympics were going on, but I still figured it would at least get a mention. It was extremely honorable & brave of Pete, but I would rather have him fighting the whalers on the water, then maybe spending the next 10 years in jail. Hopefully, things work out in both, Sea Shepherd’s and Pete’s favour.

      • Imforthewhales

        **Best commment I have seen yet!!! This season is going to be awesome. Sea Shepherd financially destroyed the whalers this year**.

        Totally agree.

    • Robert Beller

      And in those 30 years Watson has watched Iceland and Norway return to full commercial whaling as members of the IWC. Norway has recently announced an increase in their quota which will place them ahead of Japan in cull numbers. Japan doubled their JARPA I quota for the JARPA II program the year the SSCS first started their Antarctic fundraising cruises in 2004. In 2008 the SSCS vessel Farley Mowat was confiscated by Canada and it’s captain and first mate were convicted in absentia but they ignored the $45,000 fine. If I was Japan I’d take a page from Watson playbook and ignore his claims for the Ady Gil the SSCS has a mythology built around sinking vessels and ignoring the charges so they’ll understand.

      The Bethune case will set a legal precedent against the SSCS’s actions in the Southern Ocean. The Japanese will be introducing a lot factual evidence against their tactics and the SSCS isn’t going to be able to counter with the “UN Charter For Nature” or “you hit my boat mate”. Bethune knows full well little boats should pay attention around bigger boats he killed a Guatemalan fisherman in 2007 questing for some meaningless accolades. In this case “IT”S NOT ABOUT WHALES!” It’s about 5 serious criminal charges and a lengthy prison stay”

      JAIL WARS COMING THIS SUMMER!

      This case may finally answer the butyric acid question once and for all I hear the Japanese have a few unbroken bottles in their possession I imagine they’ll serve as evidence in the assault charge. Watson has NZ so disgusted that they’re looking into legitimizing limited commercial whaling in “their” backyard just to get rid of him.

      BTW, Watson’s antics can’t financially destroy Japan’s research program because the Japanese government has always made up any short fall even before Watson came on the scene. The Japanese have been conducting research in the Antarctic for 22 years Watson has been a minor annoyance for 5 years you can’t count his first year (2004) because they couldn’t find the research fleet. In season two of WW we saw just how ineffective the SSCS really is when the researchers culled whales right in front of Watson. He claims he’s willing to die for whales but he turned tail and ran because he was afraid ninja Japanese Coast Guard boats were going to take his fundraiser film. Of course Watson left out that part on WW’s but people who followed his blogs in real time know better.

      • Imforthewhales

        I had no idea people still referred to Japanese illegal whaling as ” research” anymore.

        Does anyone really buy into the ” research” tag?

        Are the Japanese that good at brainwashing people?

      • http://www.ecorazzi.com Lia

        Mr. Robert Beller, Have you seen The Cove?

      • Fred

        You need to get out more beyond the twigs and berry crowd. It is only people who don’t refer to to JARPA program as research are brainwashed. The reason RESEARCH is spelled in English on their vessels is because they’re not being illegally attacked by people who speak Japanese.

        As for coving I travel to Taiji and the Faroes to participate it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. If dolphins and whales are so smart why do they keep coming to places where they will be culled? Has it ever occurred to you these animals might want this? I know I would if Paul Watson was my only hope. In season 2 of WW why did the whales just keep running in front of the harpoon ships. Why didn’t they change direction and swim back at the boat under water and out the stern? While the chase ships are faster whales are 100% more maneuverable than chase ships. But they are as dumb as a post when it comes to avoiding ships and harpoons.

      • Robert Beller

        YEP! I Netflix’d it (because that’s about the only way you can see it outside a drunken bum’s alley). It’s one of the finest examples of emotion based propaganda I’ve seen since the Nazi’s were in power, Herr Goebbels would be proud. I hear AP is going to barrage their third tier zombies with it sometime in the future and Kleenex will be the sponsor(WaahH!)

      • Kevin Krudd

        Do you think its OK to kill off anything that dumb?

        A few on here might not be feeling too safe!

      • Robert Beller

        Don’t worry Kevin some of the anti-whalers will be captured for further study and a few of them may even work for the Navy defusing mines with their bodies.

      • imforthewhales

        After the disastrous japanese whaling season, the Japanese whaling fleet and all the powers that be that support them must be seen now for what the really are…for what they have always been…the Japanese whalers are without a doubt now seen as the worlds biggest pathetic losers.

      • Robert Beller

        The only disaster this whaling season was the SSCS and their ill-conceived criminal activity. It has allowed the Japanese to try out some of their newly minted laws it will also allow them to increase awareness of the criminal nature of the SSCS The Japanese aren’t in jail nor are they deflaged and down one ship. You can crow all you’d like about saved whales Watson’s New Zealand gambit has failed miserably.

      • gumnut

        What are these newly minted laws?

        Why would anyone bother with them seeing as japan continually flouts laws such as ” though shalt not cut boats in half”?*

      • Robert Beller

        The Japanese didn’t have a legal framework to arrest boarders and return them to Japan. This is why the first two SSCS Zeros that boarded illegally a couple of years ago were released. Japan was looking to apply new anti-piracy laws to the SSCS and Watson is making it easy for them. He keeps saying that he’s costing the researchers millions that will be entered into evidence at Bethune’s trial. Bethune’s criminal conviction is going to follow the SSCS when they look to reflag the Bob Barker it will also make it easier for the Dutch to drop the Steve Irwin’s flag in the future. And yes, I said conviction once you are charged in Japan the conviction rate is 99.8%

        All that Watson’s illegal tactics are doing is slowly tightening the screws on Watson’s nuts.

      • Imforthewhales

        Its so typical of the japanese whale terrorists isn’t it…if you are a part of the Japanese whaling machine then its always best to ignore the laws that don’t suit you and wherever possible make up some new “laws” to suit your purposes.

  • Melange

    Hufungraz – sadly, it will not work out as you hope. Peter Bethune will be spending years behind bars in the Japanese prison system for basically being an idiot. The next season of Whale Wars is only going to rehash the stupidity and arrogance of Peter Bethune, and show the rest of the world that Paul Watson is willing to sacrifice anyone and everyone but himself. Mass media is great because you can spread your word quickly, but the news of his stupid stunt traveled just as fast. The poster is correct – it’s not for the whales – it is for the money now, and everyone who wasn’t familiar with the Sea Shepherds is going to see that now. In seasons 1 and 2, we saw the blinding incompetence that has come to be the hallmark of the Sea Shepherds, and now we see that finally, there will be a reckoning. I think the finale for season 3 will be Peter Bethune enjoying his whale sashimi while making parts for harpoon guns in jail.

    For the record – the SS fools haven’t saved any whales – any loss to their quota was made up by other nations whaling and exporting the meat. You didn’t save anything – if anything, you just caused the numbers to go higher. Sorry!

    • Hufingraz

      Melange – You are wrong about this season of Whale Wars. I watched all the videos from the ICR’s website and there was alot of action this season. Far more than any previous season, and SS was on the tail of the Nishin Maru for 3 full weeks, so no whales were definitely killed then.
      For the Japanese to have a fleet of ships cruising around the ocean for that length of time and not killing a single whale, that cost them ALOT of money. If you count in the other days that the Japanese were not whaling because of SS, and also the expenses such as chartering planes, and all the security measures such as netting over every boat(which was ineffective this season), LRAD’s(which were ineffective), and the spikes(that were ineffective), then you are getting into millions and millions of dollars in lost revenue.
      It is all about the money. Paul Watson has stated several times that he knows he can’t stop them from completely killing whales, but he can cost them alot of money and sink them financially.
      That is the key to destroying any business. The whaling industry is no different, and the Japanese businessmen & government only see one thing, and that is money. If profits are not being made, the government & these businessmen are going to stop putting their money towards it and then whaling will end or at least the large scale whaling operations will end.

    • Sinktheboats

      I think people such as yourself underestimate just how much the whalers are hated world wide…

      When people are passionate about a cause great things can happen. I read somewhere that a Norwegian whaler was sunk in a harbor…i hope that this continues and teach the whalers that what they are doing is against whales and humanity as a whole.

    • gumnut

      SW…I believe that whilst the ship didn’t sink to the bottom, the engine and electrics were submerged under water. All this is going to cost the whaling industry more $$$…which is all good, of course as it eats into their bloody profits. If every whale protester (*activist) was this “incompetent” then the world would be a much better place.

      One step at a time, and whalers…keep watching your backs.

      Cheers from the gumnut.

    • Robert Beller

      These boats are insured Einstein The SSCS is doing these people a favor refitting these vessels with modern equipment.

      WATSON: Iceland stopped whaling in 1986 after the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society sank half the Icelandic whaling fleet in Reykjavik harbor. Two of the four whaling ships were scuttled by Sea Shepherd engineers and the whale processing plant was destroyed. The two ships were never repaired.

      http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/sea-shepherd-news.html

      THE TRUTH: “The sabotage caused $2 million in damage, the Hvalur Whaling Company said. The 430-ton vessels, insured for $4 million each, were coated with heavy oil residues from leaks sprung in the scuttling”. (how eco-friendly)

      http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE3D81E3BF933A15752C1A960948260

      So the ships were never repaired but they are still registered today in Iceland according to World Shipping Register?!?!?? Watson is synonymous with LIAR! I think Hvalur hf,Hvalfirði owes Watson thanks for allowing them to repair and refurbish these old 1940’s ships with the insurance windfall he created for them.

      HVALUR 6 IMO #5157327 call letters TFMG RE376
      HVALUR 7 IMO #5157339 call letters TFJK RE377

      http://e-ships.net/index/H10.shtml

    • imforthewhales

      So what are you saying mange, are you saying that Whaling Fleet’s Leader Shigetoshi Nishiwaki is an idiot? Or a propaganda freak?

      • Robert Beller

        No he’s a witness for the prosecution.

      • imforthewhales

        Yes that sounds about right, Shigetoshi Nishiwaki should be locked up and be tried for attempted murder and failure to stop at the scene of a crime.

        But that isn’t the way the Japanese legal system works. Im sure that the Yakuza would be most displeased if this were to happen.

      • Robert Beller

        Still happy to display your ignorance? A witness for the prosecution isn’t the person that gets locked up. That person is known as the defendant as in Peter “I throw myself on the mercy of the court” Bethune.

      • imforthewhales

        Yes dear, thats very good…you finally get it.

        What i was trying to point out to you before you went off on a maniacal tangent is that the roles should be reversed.

      • Robert Beller

        Boo, Hoo, Hoo…! you sound like a 9/11 conspiracy nut. All criminals and their supporters crying about the justice system as it slowly crushes them under its wheels.

        EVERYBODY’S AGAINST US, IT’S A CONSPIRACY!!! WHAAA!!!

        Watson welcomed a trial until he figured out:

        “IT ISN”T ABOUT THE WHALES”

        I thought these douche-bags knew what they were getting into?

      • sinktheboats

        Interesting…this is what pro whalers are reduced to when they know their little whaling bizzo is heading down tot he icy depths.

        Would anyone trust this loony with a loaded harpoon?

        Ha ha I don’t think so.

        WW3 should just rub it all in some more.

      • Robert Beller

        Says the vegan pussy as they blubber over the incarceration of their comrade, loss of flag, and lose of vessel Wahhh! Haven’t you heard? Operation NZ was an EPIC FAILURE! Watson was expecting to get Bethune back he even brought up other instances of SSCS criminals being released but that isn’t happening. You may not recognize Japan’s judicial system but nations of the world do including NZ. Bethune’s criminal record is going to add weight to Japan’s INTERPOL warrants against other SSCS members in the future.

      • Imforthewhales

        What a load of rot.

        Last time I looked Sea Sheperd members and their ships are free to come and go from NZ, Australia and the world except for those countries run by the whaling cartels whoa re not happy about the SS cutting into their ill begotten profits. Meanwhile guess which ships are banned in Australian ports? Yep thats right…the Japanese whaling ships. Who has a court order barring them from taking whales in Antarctica? Yep you got it…the japanese whalers.

        So much for your Interpol theory.

      • Robert Beller

        imforthewhales why did the SSCS AU have to take down their forum without any warning? Erik Brush was crying about it right before it happened. Look a Google search shows Erik’s pained cry’s before he was silenced like harpooned whale by the heartless goons at SSCS HQ! Let me know if you want to see his entire swansong I can post it if you like I sent a copy to Peter Bethune since he can get messages now. Here’s the truncated Google search version.

        A farewell and best wishes to everyone here! – Sea Shepherd Forum

        2 posts – 1 author – 16 hrs ago

        By now you have heard the rumors and in fact they are not just rumors. Steven Roest and his cronies at HQ are making things impossible for the folks running the forums and the admins are tired of the fighting continuously with an organization that is not supporting us in any capacity close to our support of them. … WAAHHH!

        http://www.seashepherd.com.au/forum/showthread.php?p=81898

    • gumnut

      Robert, have you ever taken out insurance? Ever heard of excess? Ever heard of higher premiums?

      All costly to the whalers.

    • Robert Beller

      Ships in Iceland and Norway are classified as fishing vessels and are insured as such. There isn’t “whalers” insurance they’re insurance works just like your car insurance many pool their resources to pay for the MINOR annoyances that can happen to a few. You also have to keep in mind Iceland and Norway are socialist leaning democracies all insurance is supplemented and controlled by the government their premiums don’t fluctuate because of simple eco-terrorist activity.

    • gumnut

      the Icelandic insurance companies will factor in the threat of the whaling ships being sunk. it will all cost the whalers over time. and thats OK by me.

      People really want those whaling ships gone.

      Insurance companies know and understand this.

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  • Melange

    If whaling ever does end, it won’t have anything to do with the Sea Shepherds or any of their pathetic antics. No one will remember them, Paul Watson, Peter Bethune, or that Hammerhead whatshisname guy.

    This tells you all you need to know about Paul Watson – someone who even admits that he is lying and makes up the data to support his cause. Knowing that, you still blindly follow him. Like I said – the internet is great because more and more people are getting to know what kind of a fraud he really is, and we all get a kick out of watching cult-minded fools like you who have nothing else to keep you busy. Hey, how about helping a homeless person? What’s stopping you from doing that? Oh, that’s right, it not Japan making him homeless!! Screw them – we have whales to save from the Japanese! Idiot – just like the rest of your bunch.

    Sat what you want – it’s still going to be the same. Whaling will continue, Peter Balloon will sit and rot in jail, as will any other idiot who does the same as he did. You may have stopped a handful of whales being killed in the Antarctic, but you have only caused more to be killed elsewhere – but who cares about those, right? As long as it’s not the Japanese doing it, it’s OK according to you guys.

    Your support is waning – but you can’t see it. Sad. This is all you need to know about Paul Watson:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA9EMQAvsJg&feature=player_embedded

    Pretty much says it all.

    • Marcus L

      The funny thing is that Paul owns up to much of what was said in that video. The internet is sort of changing the dynamics of the modern media and old media tactics perhaps aren’t as bulletproof as they once were. Its been interesting to see that Paul has almost moderated his speech or changed how he says tag lines.

      “Like I said – the internet is great because more and more people are getting to know what kind of a fraud he really is, and we all get a kick out of watching cult-minded fools like you who have nothing else to keep you busy. Hey, how about helping a homeless person? What’s stopping you from doing that? Oh, that’s right, it not Japan making him homeless!! Screw them – we have whales to save from the Japanese! Idiot – just like the rest of your bunch.”

      That an extremely unfounded and pejorative assumption you have there. It seems to me that anybody willing to give that much service to anything likely often look beyond their own self to the service of causes larger than themselves. Because they choose to serve for SSCS doesn’t mean they have nothing else to keep them busy. I suppose you are insinuating they are all hippies? Stereotype much? I guess you are greatly frustrated from seeing the amount of needed help for your causes, which I definitely understand. We should remember that their service, however much you do not agree, does not preclude anybody else fro serving other causes. Lets not be guilty of the very same things you claim they do towards the Japanese.

      • Imforthewhales

        I would rather be a homeless unwashed hippie with long hair than some indoctrinated smelly Japanese whale eating whale torturer.

    • Sinktheboats

      Hey, how about helping a homeless person? What’s stopping you from doing that?

      Why don’t YOU help a homeless person? Whats stopping you from doing that?

      its really funny isn’t it, that you are from a culture that aspires to drive fast cars and own big homes, yet people die every day because of your greed. If everyone in Hollywood sold off their diamond bracelets and gold rings, they would probably be able to buy every homeless person in the USA a house.

      SS aren’t just helping the homeless, they are helping the whole world…including yourself…they are helping everyone because if the oceans die then everyone dies.

      • gumnut

        And how are they saving the oceans?

        Its often the case that all the anti Sea Sheperd peoples / pro whalers? ICR hacks/ Glen Inwood cash for commenters who love to come on forums and stir the pot actually know so little about what they do and their campaigns to save the oceans.

        Perhaps you should do a little more research into the operations of Sea Sheperd and educate yourself.

        Ever heard of google?

      • imforthewhales

        “I Am Furious,” Said the Whaling Fleet’s Leader Shigetoshi Nishiwaki. :)

        12 April 2010 – 10:37pm

        The Japanese whaling catch this year is the lowest it has been in a long time, and the whalers place the blame of the low catch firmly on Sea Shepherd. According to the AFP: The fleet’s catch of 507 whales was down sharply on last year’s cull of 680 and below the target of about 850, said Japan’s Fisheries Agency, which blamed a total of 31 days of harassment by the Sea Shepherd group.

      • Robert Beller

        Shigetoshi Nishiwaki Is going to say the same thing at Bethune’s trial. You do realize they are playing up the losses to increase Bethune’s criminal charges.

      • sinktheboats

        They can go for their life…don’t forget the world will be watching and making up its own mind.

      • Robert Beller

        YAWN!!! The world has already watched NZ give Bethune the thumbs down. Bethune isn’t a hero back home he’s a Zero in his home country. As a matter of fact according to Google Trends Peter Bethune is only popular in the US and Canada and even that is only a minor blip about his criminal actions.

  • Marcus L

    1st: Jail Wars makes no sense what so ever. Its kind of pithy but… just because Pete may face jail or a fine makes for a pretty lame reason.

    - Its been found by several quality sources that whaling just isn’t viable and SSCS makes that fact worse. Beyond all of this they create a lot of attention for the cause, that isn’t deniable. You have to be a fool to take anything SSCS says or does at face value. They play the media like a fiddle to gain more attention and I’m fine with that. If you want to debate the consequence of that attention then be my guest.

    - The Ady Gil incident was not intentional on either side yet Pete’s boarding was very calculated. Paul and the organisation are doing this to keep attention on the organisation and the cause.

    - There were unbroken bottles this year (most likely not the first time) and they probably tested them and found the substance unharmful. A few Japanese officials then probably tampered with evidence. There is no reason why they should be trusted.

    - Apparently Paul has been more than just a minor annoyance considering an extra security vessel and several other costly security measures.

    - SSCS did leave the area because of reports that there was a govt ship on its way and if Paul mentioned it in his blogs then how secretive is that? It is important to note that the organization has no editorial control over the content of the show. Just because everybody is willing to die doesn’t mean sitting there and potentiality loosing a ship and the incarceration of Paul and the crew. Paul has said many times that by the very nature of a voyage to the Southern Oceans makes what they do dangerous and stupid risks don’t pay off for the cause. The organisation plays the media and walks a fine line with the law, its their MO and has been from the very start.

    • Robert Beller

      Jail Wars makes perfect sense Watson has made the claim he has 12 more duped ready to clog the Japanese justice system next season. If your entire show becomes a showcase for future criminals then it won’t be about the whales. It will be about 13 unwashed criminals flinging feces at each other as they battle over cabbage soup and crusty rice.

      - It has been found by reality that whaling will continue until Japan, Iceland and Norway decide to end it. The SSCS only serves to steel their resolve. “Playing the media” has become nonviable in the Internet age especially for a Dolt like Watson who brags about making up facts and lying to make a point. The attention they bring to the cause has NZ supporting commercial whaling proposals and Japan passing anti-piracy acts. There is no debate over the consequence of that attention.

      - The Ady Gil photo opportunity was a minor blip on the radar that has faded to nothing but pointless blogs. Try to Google Trend the term “Peter Bethune Ady Gil” and you receive the following message – “Peter Bethune Ady Gil – do not have enough search volume to show graphs” the same happens if you try the terms “free”, “hero”, “support” or even “Earth Race” in conjunction with his name. As a matter of fact the only term that gets a blip is “Peter Bethune” and that is only a straight forward story about his arrest. In fact his story only generated measurable effect in Canada and the US. Now to be clear Google Trends is based on the average worldwide traffic if you Trend an actual famous Kiwi like Peter Jackson you’ll see what I mean.

      http://www.google.com/trends?q=peter+bethune+&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

      http://www.google.com/trends?q=Peter+jackson&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

      - Your comments about the butyric acid evidence is a prime example of why people don’t take the SSCS seriously. Every time the SSCS runs afoul of the law they claim it’s a conspiracy against them like most ignorant criminals do but law abiding citizens know better.

      - The Japanese put up with Paul’s minor annoyances because he generates huge negative public relations for the eco-movement. They don’t need to plead with the general population over whaling issues when they can just show footage of the SSCS at work on the news to write a blank check to the ICR. Watson always tries to tout the added expense of security but those tactics don’t work for Al-Qaeda either. Everyone knows policing criminals cost money that why they hate them so much. Why do you think Greenpeace is willing to lie about Watson’s early affiliation with them?

      - Everyone knows only Watson’s sycophants and critics read his blathering that’s why the SSCS forum finally tried to make a non-public area. Watson left the Ninja boarding parties off TV show because it made him look like even more of a pathetic, greedy, lying, coward to the general public.

      While the Whales were being bled

      Watson turned his tail and fled

      “I’d give my life for any whale

      As long as I don’t go to Jail”

      YO HO!!!, YO HO!!!

      It’s an activist’s life for me”!!!

      • Sinktheboats

        ail Wars makes perfect sense Watson has made the claim he has 12 more duped ready to clog the Japanese justice system next season. If your entire show becomes a showcase for future criminals then it won’t be about the whales. It will be about 13 unwashed criminals flinging feces at each other as they battle over cabbage soup and crusty rice.

        It sounds as if they Japanese jails are very in-humane…sounds a bit like Changi?

      • Robert Beller

        I know I’d much rather have Bethune dodging the dick in between his daily stabbings like our humane prisons offer but what can you do? He’ll just have to learn to sit quite and enjoy cabbage soup after a long day of prison labor. Don’t worry the SSCS flung feces at each other before they got in prison so they’ll be right at home.

      • imforthewhales

        hes lucky its now 2010, once upon a time in a Japanese jail you were forced to eat cockroaches…thats if you had the strength to catch em first.

        *Boredom and uncertainty were everywhere. Nobody knew how long they would spend as a POW and what the Japanese intended to do with them. There was no contact with the outside world, no letters from home, no news, and no way of knowing how the war was going*.

        Why didn’t the Japanese treat you better?

        Gordon: Why didn’t they treat us better? I wish I could answer for the Japanese. I think they were totally unprepared for what they had to handle…. Their outlook of a prisoner of war was that they held you in nothing but contempt. If you surrendered, you were dishonorable. So if you were dishonorable, why should we worry about you or take care of you? You don’t deserve anything better than what we’re giving you. And so the Japanese philosophy, we were never prisoners of war initially. We were captives. A big, fine distinction they drew there. You were a captive of the Japanese army. They could do with you what they want. They didn’t have to abide by any rules because there were no rules.

      • Robert Beller

        Still living in the past I see. Once upon a time Bethune wouldn’t have been taken prisoner, common criminals were beheaded in the good old days. They didn’t have a lot of repeat offenders back then, oh well.

        Fortunately for Bethune the situation is reversed today and he’ll get three squares of cabbage and rice and according to Watson Bethune will have company next season. Things are looking up for the Last Scamurai.

    • Mick

      Marcus L,

      You stated;
      “There were unbroken bottles this year (most likely not the first time) and they probably tested them and found the substance unharmful. A few Japanese officials then probably tampered with evidence. There is no reason why they should be trusted.”

      You say that there is no reason to trust “a few Japanese officials”. However, people SHOULD trust what watson says????? He is a proven and admitted liar. He even advocates lying in his books. He does not have even a shred of credibility. Yet, you believe “they” should not be trusted?

      • Imforthewhales

        What makes you think anything the Japanese say can be trusted?

        They have a pretty poor history.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “They have a pretty poor history.”

        Really???? How so?

      • Imforthewhales

        Pearl Harbour?

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        Pearl harbor??? Because of a military attack on a military installation over sixty years ago, you believe that “a few Japanese officials” would tamper with bottles of butryic acid thrown by SS this year?

      • gumnut

        yep. They were sneaky then…sneaky now.

        Whats the old saying? A leopard never loses its spots.

        They were Imperialists back then and what they are doing now to the worlds environment smacks of the same mentality. The mentality of *Take what you want, when you want, pay no heed to the effects on others ( or the environment) and all others be damned. Pain and cruelty and death are classified as non issues.

        If you prefer a more recent example, just look at what they have done to the worlds tuna. blue fin tuna, due to japans arrogance and greed are now on a same par as African white rhino. Yes they had quotas…no they didn’t stick to them… yes they lied…yes they covered up the true facts…yes they were sneaky…yes they were greedy.

        No different to Pearl Harbor.

      • Imforthewhales

        What the Japanese are doing now, importing illegal fin whales from Iceland shows they cannot be trusted.
        Their vote buying in the IWC meetings show that they cannot be trusted. Not to mention their killing off of Blue Fin Tuna…

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “..importing illegal fin whales from Iceland”

        Norway, Iceland and Japan are all exempt from the CITIES ban on the trade of whale meat, as you already well know. So there is nothing illegal about it, as you already know. Why do you insist on repeating things that you know to be false?

        “Their vote buying in the IWC..”

        Vote buying? Are you refering to financial aid that Japan gives to many countries?

        “…their killing off of Blue Fin Tuna”

        Japan is not “killing off” Blue fin tuna. European fishermen are the ones killing them off.

      • gumnut

        in 80 per cent of cases, no matter where they are caught, blue fin tuna end up being flushed down a japanese loo.

      • sinktheboats

        Mr Komatsu said: “Japan does not have military powers, unlike the US or Australia. You may dispatch your military power to East Timor.

        “Japanese means are simply diplomatic communication and overseas development aid (ODAs).

        “So, in order to get appreciation of Japan’s position, of course, that is natural we must resort to those two major tools. I think there is nothing wrong.”

      • Robert Beller

        What’s your point the US has a mighty military and offers the most ODA in the world. in 2007 some of the largest DAC donors were the United States (USD 21.8 billion), Germany (12.29 billion), France (9.88 billion), United Kingdom (9.85 billion) and Japan (7.68 billion). Just these few anti whaling nations have over 50 billion dollars worth of clout.

        This goes to show you just how little anti-whaling nations care about whaling their combined ODA dwarfs Japan’s bargaining power yet Japan manages to buy the whole world with it’s meager contributions. You need to stop relying on Watson for your “facts” because it makes you look like a fool.

      • Imforthewhales

        Robert Beller, anyone can find those facts out for themselves, and read about the extent of japanese ” aid” or vote buying money to places such as Togo…its all published by the japanese.

        So perhaps you need to check your facts first before going off half cocked.

      • Robert Beller

        You sound foolish I did check my facts Japan’s foreign assistance is dwarfed by the “anti-whaling” nations of the world. Why is the US spearheading an effort to end the pause in whaling did Japan buy them too? Like I said you sound like a 9/11 conspiracy nutter.

        BTW, What happened to the SSCS AU forum? It evaporated without a whole lot of a fight I guess they read my post about how their site was a Japanese prosecutors dream. Too bad they closed the barn door after the horses got out. I’m sure Peter Bethune is going to be greatly comforted that hotbed of criminal postulation is finally gone but it won’t help his case any now.

  • TitaniumTotem

    Doesn’t look like much chance of there being a season four but we can always hope Court TV picks up the saga.

    Court TV brings you “Whale Wars”, starring Judge Judy Watanabe. In the season premier Captain Peter Bethane asks for a plea bargain in exchange for revealing where the Captain of the Steve Irwin hides his secret stash of canned meat.

    Brought to you by Spam…the all purpose meat like substance!

  • Melange

    Hey Marcus – I never said that they were hippies – you just did. And for the record, stereotypes usually have a basis in fact – that’s how they become stereotypes in the first place.

    People like the Sea Shepherds choose to “save whales” and dolphins because 99% of them anthropomorphosize these creatures and give them attributes that they don’t actually have. They see the dolphin’s “smile”, and they just can’t help but get all gooey on the inside! They can’t relate to other people, so they choose animals over people, which is another Paul Watson-ism, isn’t it?

    They’ll spend untold dollars and efforts helping some shrimp in some bay somewhere, while their fellow people suffer. I’d be more impressed if they went to a pediatric AIDS ward and tried to console some kids and their families. But that means dealing with people, and we know that the hippies (as you called them) just can’t deal with that.

    Like I said – in the end, it doesn’t matter what you and I say – here’s whats going to happen (not necessarily in this order)…..

    Peter Ballthune will be convicted and will spend years in a Japanese jail while his mommy and daddy cry. No one from the NZ or Aus government will help him. Forget about the US – they know better than to try and free a terrorist.

    Whaling will continue and increase in other parts of the world. The SSCS efforts will have been for nothing in the end. Whatever Japan doesn’t get themselves, they will get from those other countries – they are not that worried about it.

    Count on more than one “security vessel” in the Antarctic next season.

    The Sea Shepherds will eventually be forgotten – they have already in increasing numbers of the US – the world has bigger problems than listening to militant vegan hippies whine about a few whales and dolphins.

    The sooner you deal with it, the better.

    • Sea Cucumber

      Marcus,

      To illustrate the point made above – you may want to see the following link. You see, no one from New Zealand is going to go riding in to “save the day”. The New Zealanders can think for themselves, and they see Peter Buffoon for exactly what he is – a criminal that is best left to the Japanese judicial system.

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10637387

      I wonder why your buddy AnimuX hasn’t poste this link? possibly because it will make the Sea Shepherds cry? I’ll go get the vegan Kleenex for you!

      • Imforthewhales

        No cucumber, i think that link wasn’t posted anywhere because it is just an inglorious crappy propaganda piece written not for the love of the subject or the love of writing but for the love of money…nothing more nothing less……much like yourself really.

        But in your delusion…if you want to continue believing that it is the word of God or the Rosetta stone, then please be my guest.

      • Sinktheboats

        The Sea Shepherds will eventually be forgotten – they have already in increasing numbers of the US – the world has bigger problems than listening to militant vegan hippies whine about a few whales and dolphins.

        So you admit then that people are screwing up the world…funny that….the SS would agree with that one!

    • Marcus L

      You clearly misread or are misrepresenting my statement about hippies. Stereotypes often have some basis but that by no means is a solid justification. A stereotype is another name for a hasty generalization which is an informal fallacy.

      Now on to actual points.

      Paul essentially sees the world as one big ecosystem that is in continuous balance and change. His view is that humans essentially throw a giant wrench in the system which will eventually lead to our own self destruction. The oceans are a large key to the whole equation and Paul has dedicated his life to this cause. The organisation is an extension of Paul as it is under his complete control. Whales may define Sea Shepherd to many people or the media but it is far from that in reality (ex: Bluefin, Galapagos, and other historical campaigns). Sea Shepherd works to protect the oceans in the most direct way possible. While Paul admittedly doesn’t do it only for the benefit of human kind, thats in effect what is happening. There is much scientific evidence to back up any assertion that our oceans or natural environment is tied to human kind’s wellbeing. I suppose AIDs or homelessness as we know it today don’t matter a whole lot if one of the world’s largest suppliers of oxygen collapses.
      Sea Shepherd works for the bigger picture and the causes the org takes up are generally seemed to be threatened beyond any other form of help.
      Whatever the individuals who volunteer have as their reasons to volunteer or love nature are largely irrelevant to the organisation and its causes. It also doesn’t matter how much Sea Shepherd is remembered or not so long as the state of our oceans is brought to peoples attention and something is done to ensure its survival.

      about Pete: Please qualify exactly how he is a terrorist for me. Second, he will get charged and will also take the option for a fine. Third, Pete is not a US citizen nor was the Ady Gil a US registered boat and I don’t think any crew member was a US citizen either so the govt no reason to become involved.

    • Imforthewhales

      They can’t relate to other people, so they choose animals over people, which is another Paul Watson-ism, isn’t it?

      What makes you think anyone could possibly relate to you? Perhaps the cucumber might but as for the sane people on this forum…I would choose my dog any day over someone like you.

      Deal with it.

      I think you are having yourself on if you think that the whole world is suddenly going to condone whaling as a pastime by a few recalcitrant countries.

      I don’t know where you got your crystal ball from but all i see in mine is a massive amount of financial pain a’comin to the Japanese killing machine.

  • From MN, with hope…

    This isnt a debate! Its all insults at Sea Shepherd, Pete Bethune, Paul Watson and so on… Has this what the more ‘civil’ ‘discussions’ has led to? Senseless name calling? Like I have previously said, name calling just hurts your cause, whether be it anti-whaling, or pro-whaling, or selling cars!

    …and BTW, Pete hasnt been convicted or released yet.

    • Norm

      Watson is a total douche bag. He’s a liar and a fraud. He’s not even a real Captain. He is the equivalent of a cult leader. Charismatic to the weak minded.

      Anyone else like to add to the pile of Watson’s attributes.

      • Imforthewhales

        Have you ever been to church Norm? If you have then don’t bother talking about cult leaders and charisma for the weak minded, pleaeeeese.

        Norm, this isn’t about Paul Watson, its about the whales. Love him or hate him, he gets things done.

        Which is all we can ask for.

        Norm, I would even support you if you were to go down to the Antarctic and start causing a bit of angst to
        the Japanese whaling thugs no matter how big a douche bag you may be. Tiger Woods isn’t perfect either but he can play a good game of golf, better than anyone else on the planet.

      • Norm

        Imaufo, shut the f up. You are a complete brainwashed tool and are so far up Watson’s stink hole you we can’t even see your shoe strings anymore.

      • Robert Beller

        Don’t forget narcoleptic coward Norm. When he isn’t sleeping he’s hiding behind the dupes he manages to fool into breaking the law.

    • Robert Beller

      “This isnt a debate! Its all insults at Sea Shepherd, Pete Bethune, Paul Watson and so on”.

      That’s right and we’re Watson’s fans you should see what his enemies say about him!

      • imforthewhales

        Norm with all due respect you are so far up yourself you eat your breakfast twice.

  • Sea Cucumber

    This is what they say on their website….

    “The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society operates internationally without prejudice towards race, colour, religious belief or any other consideration except for an impartial adherence to upholding international conservation law to protect endangered marine species and eco-systems.”

    The reality is more like this from long-time Sea Shepherd members…

    “remember the rape of nankin,remember changi,remember the machinegunning of the australian nurses, remember the batann deathmarch, remember the burma railway, remember hellfire pass, remember the comfort women, remember sandarkin, I know my history, its a pity the Japanese don,t remember,
    I have no love, respect, for this despicable race.”

    “I hate a race that cannibalised and used Australian troops for bayonet practice, and until the truth about what the Imperial army did during world war 2 is taught openly to the japanese people and the whole sordid truth comes to light, I will continue to hate the bastards. For the sake of the innocents who suffered under the heel of the japanese THIS MUST NOT BE FOrGOTTON OR FORGIVEN anymore that what the NAZIS did to the Jews.”

    …Bigbadpete

    The poster is absolutely right – it’s not about the whales – it’s about racism and they know it. The people know it, and according to the article posted above, even the New Zealanders are getting tired of the publicity stunts and the hate rhetoric. They don’t want to be associated with any groups dedicated to singling out any one particular race, like the Sea Shepherds do.

    • Imforthewhales

      The only racists are these silly Japanese ” protesters” that keep turning up time after time to get their faces on TV.

      If you want to drag racism into the equation, why do you not deal with the fact that those who are turning up holding cans of whale meat in front of embassies are the same people who are protesting against Korean kiddies having somewhere to play in downtown Tokyo and are calling for battered wives to stay battered?

      ***TOKYO – Dozens of right-wing activists protested Friday outside the office of a Japanese distributor of the Oscar-winning “The Cove,” demanding that the gory portrayal of dolphin hunting in Japan not be shown in the country.

      The protesters Friday accused the distributor of betraying Japanese national pride by supporting the film, which they see as insulting to traditional village culture of which dolphin hunting is part.

      “Traitor! Money scavenger! Shame on you!” Shuhei Nishimura, who led Friday’s protest, shouted outside the downtown Tokyo office of the distributor, Unplugged Inc.***

      Shuhei Nishimura, center, representing a right-wingers’ group demonstrating outside the office of Unplugged Inc. , a Japanese distributor of the Academy-award winning film “The Cove,” accuses one of Unplugged staff during their protest in Tokyo, Japan, Friday, April 9, 2010. The group accused the distributor as a traitor to Japan, opposing their plan to start showing the documentary film by American director Louie Psihoyos about dolphin killing at a Japanese fishing village nationwide this summer.

      http://oneclick.indiatimes.com/photo…eW79Of?q=Tokyo

      I looked up this guy on google..if it is the same guy, then he is a member of the Tokyo citizens’ group Shuken Kaifuku o Mezasu Kai (The Society to Seek Restoration of Sovereignty)

      Apparently they are keen on keeping the social order together by helping husbands beat their wives.

      [I]As far as Shuhei Nishimura from the Tokyo citizens’ group is concerned, efforts to fight domestic violence in Japan have gone too far – to the point where men are now institutionally victimised. Mr Nishimura told the Herald the law against spousal abuse is “scary because if the so-called victim goes to a consulting office, she can be unilaterally isolated from her husband. There is no third party that will listen to both sides.”"Women throw dishes at their husbands, too,” said Mr Nishimura, who insists it was never his aim to force the cancellation of lectures, but simply to ensure balanced debate.

      “The fact that it is seen as violence only when it is done by men, even when it is only a counterattack, is unfair.”/I]

      The video shows members of the right wing citizens’ group Shuken Kaifuku wo Mezasu Kai (The Society to Seek Restoration of Sovereignty) holding a protest against a North Korean school in Kyoto*.

      According to the video description, the protest is against the North Korean school’s unauthorized use of a nearby park. Without seeking permission from local authorities, the school basically turned the park into part of its campus, erecting goal posts and even a metal podium. This has apparently been going on for decades. The angry protesters try to dismantle some of the equipment and throw it against the gate of the school. Just like some of their other protest activities, it involves a lot of shouting over loud speakers.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A53vLlWq0I

  • Sea Cucumber

    To “From MN with Hope”

    Yes, it’s true that he hasn’t been convicted – but it’s only a matter of time. He’ll be convicted, as will anyone else who does the same thing. Like the poster says, “It’s not about the whales”, it’s all about bigger and bigger and more stupid publicity stunts and fund raising. Paul Watson says that he has a dozen more volunteers ready to do the same thing – and THATS what it’s all about – stupid and dangerous publicity stunts. The Ady Gil collision was no different, and even AP knows it.

    It may have been about the whales 30 years ago, but it isn’t anymore. It’s good to see that the decent people of New Zealand and Australia have seen this as well and are tiring of it.

  • notinny

    i watched the first two seasons of whale wars. what a joke!

    a bunch of hype and no real attempts to do anything constructive or actually restrictive to the whaling ships. then came Paul Watson’s claim he was shot. sheer buffoonery!
    the main reason i stopped watching though, was the piracy the SSCS was practicing the whole time.

    too bad i missed the destruction of their own vessel due to their own aggressive and destructive methods. so now Bethune must face the consequences of his own actions. international whaling laws are one thing but international maritime laws are quite another.

    i eat beef, chicken, pork, turkey, venison and fish regularly. other people eat sea mammals.

    all that we eat must be harvested. it ain’t always pretty but that doesn’t make it criminal.

    • Imforthewhales

      Wrap up statement

      http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingwaves/archives/2010/04/live_now_whale_meat_shipment_b.html

      Some people might disagree with you there….some people consider that whales that are endangered should not be hunted….Cites certainly do.

      Greenpeace blockaded the last load of whale meat that Japan attempted to smuggle through European ports. Who knows how many times they have tried this? However they foolishly forgot that they have people watching them closely…people who are prepared to stop them…

      *******************************************************

      Following our action which began early this morning, Rottderdam port police have promised that the whale meat shipment en route to Japan from Iceland will remain at the port. The owners of the container ship NYK ORION have decided to off load the Fin whale meat rather than become complicit in the trade in an endangered species.

      “Today Greenpeace was able just in time to prevent this shipment of whale meat from continuing, such action should no longer be necessary,” said Pavel Klinckhamers, Greenpeace oceans campaigner. “The Dutch authorities must ensure that whale meat never again comes to the Rotterdam harbour. They must work to end the whale meat trade.”

      Great job everyone!

      http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingwaves/archives/2010/04/live_now_whale_meat_shipment_b.html

      • notinny

        i loath greepeace. so all their actions garner no empathy from me.

      • notinny

        oh! and by the way, Imforthewhales…what has anything you wrote in reply to me got to do with anything i wrote?

      • Imforthewhales

        Which is probably why the recent shipment of dead and carved up fin whales was taken off its cargo ship in Rotterdam and not allowed to continue on to Japan.

      • Robert Beller

        That meat is well on it’s way to Japan by now all that Greenpeace did was have them change vessels. The shipment isn’t a police matter it is a customs matter and their hands are tied because it is legal cargo. All this story does is prove what the whaling nations are doing is 100% legal. Thanks for the affirmation you guys!

        “The refrigerated containers which led to a Greenpeace protest on the NYK Orion in Rotterdam this morning have been investigated by Dutch authorities,” he said in an e-mailed statement.

        **** “As a result of this investigation, the cargo in the seven containers has been cleared as legal and duly authorized to be shipped.” ****

        “It is unclear what will happen with the meat now. Helmig said the containers have been moved to a part of the harbor where Greenpeace is unable to track them further”.

        (No it is very clear the legal meat will be shipped without GP’s knowledge the company isn’t going to advertise it movements).

        “She said police had promised the meat would not leave the port, but De Jonge said that was in the hands of customs officials”.

        (Like I said it is a matter for Customs references to the police is just a lame attempt to ties this shipment to illegal activity. Notice she doesn’t name the officer who made the empty “promise”)

        http://www.boston.com/news/world/europe/articles/2010/04/02/greenpeace_blocks_whale_meat_transfer_in_rotterdam/

  • Sea Cucumber

    Imforthewhales!

    Hey, how’s it hanging, Bud? I actually missed you, I thought that you were going to miss this party! I knew you couldn’t resist the urge to come in from the rain!~ Yeah, I hear ya, I would actually prefer that you choose your dog over me too – somehow that makes sense to me and provides some amount of comfort!

    The truth is that the world has bigger problems than whaling, that NZ article isn’t the first to label Peter Bethune as a pretty-much worthless, publicity-seeking fool. It certainly won’t be the last. I’ll re-iterate – the poster is correct – it was never about the whales. All you babies on the SS forum are all crying over this one because you just can’t bear the truth.

    You don’t need a crystal ball to see the train coming. All the SS’s are thinking that Japan is simply going to have a head-slapping “aha” moment and say – “Gee, we need to release the hero or we’ll get ours”!? Is that what you guys are praying for? OMG – you are all in for a rude awakening. You won’t see Peter for years, except in Whale wars reruns, that is!

    Financial pain for Japan? I doubt it. What you know about the realities about this situation is little-to-nothing. Japan and Australia and New Zealand are strong trade partners, despite the pathetic attempts of the Green Part and Pete’s genius dad to disrupt it. Even he is starting to see that dear old sonny boy will be eating rice and cabbage soup for years. Of course his wife actually said that he said that he thought that he’d only get a slap on the wrist and sent home. Man, they are Brilliant!

    So, he doesn’t like whaling, and neither do you. Too bad – it’s legal to perform lethal research right now, and you guys just can’t deal with it. Of course you can’t give a hoot about any of the other countries doing it – it’s all about Japan right now, right? Isn’t that the reason that Papa Bethune thought it would be a great idea to sever the NZ ties with Saitama? For what? What did Saitama actually do to anyone? Nothing, but be Japanese. No, no racism there, right???

    Getting back to the original article – it certainly isn’t about the whales and hasn’t been for decades. The truth in that poster hurts, doesn’t it? Well, since you identify with the whales so much, now the Sea Shepherds know what it’s like to have their cause harpooned! That should make you feel better, no? But hey, if it’s any consolation to you, if it was ever made illegal to do lethal research and they were still doing it, I’d be joining you – but until then, you have to obey the law, and the SSCS aren’t the law, no matter how many tin badges you buy at Wal-Mart.!

    Imforthewhales – it’s all good – you’re alright, dude!

    • Marcus L

      Sea Cucumber,
      If you don’t like Sea Shepherds methods then so be it, however, your willful spewing of derisive speech is absolutely contemptible. I can’t tell whether your use of straw-man and hasty generalization is willful or just plain ignorance. I teach many 6th graders that engage in more respectful and more reasoned conversation than you. You personify the phenomenon of people hiding behind their keyboards to spew hateful bullshit to make themselves feel better.
      If you don’t like Sea Shepherd then so be it, thats fine. I support them mostly because of their work in the Galapagos and now against illegal Tuna poaching. I feel ocean preservation in general is extremely important because of its massive and scientifically substantiated impact on our wellbeing. Sea Shepherd happens to be one of other tools in the conservationist toolbox, their methods alone will not solve this great problem but some cases call for Watson to intervene. Anyone who donates or volunteers can support the Galapagos only, among other options.

      I do not mind their whaling campaigns either. I ask you to count just how many peer reviewed papers the ICR has published in total as compared to the amount of whales killed. Their research is dubious at best. Why do Japanese officials respond to criticism to their “research” program with saying that its their heritage to whale? Why do they want to reduce their “research” quota for more commercial whaling within their EEZ? Nobody still claims the ICR is conducting actual quality research. Just because they use a loophole doesn’t mean its right. Sea Shepherd knows it isn’t right, they are doing something about it and I commend them.

      again about Pete: Please qualify exactly how he is a terrorist for me. Second, he will get charged and will also take the option for a fine and receive no jail time.

      If you want to know why our oceans are so important and should be payed attention to alongside other worthy causes and not ignorantly dismissed, then watch this video of a respected scientist at a TED talk (unrelated to Sea Shepherd):

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43DuLcBFxoY

      One last note: Whenever people or organisations start doing something productive some people will always ask why they are not fixing everything. If you feel as though other causes are to be paid attention to… then do something about it.

      I welcome your reasoned response.

      • Mick

        Marcus L.,

        “Second, he will get charged and will also take the option for a fine and receive no jail time.”

        Take the option??? I seriously doubt the judge will give bethune any “options” if he is convicted.

      • Imforthewhales

        Marcus L.,

        “Second, he will get charged and will also take the option for a fine and receive no jail time.”

        Take the option??? I seriously doubt the judge will give bethune any “options” if he is convicted.

        *********************************************

        I doubt that the Japanese will give Pete Bethune any sort of justice.

        I just hope that after all the yen have been passed under the table tot he judges from the whaling industry that Pete Bethune doesn’t have to live a real life re-enactment of the Burma railway death camps.

        By doing so the Japanese will probably think they are teaching the world a lesson..not to get in the way of the almighty Japanese!

        But all they will be doing is exposing themselves to the world for what they really are about…and what the Japanese ” justice” system is made of.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “I doubt that the Japanese will give Pete Bethune any sort of justice.”

        Oh? Why is that? I’m sure he will receive the same justice that he would receive in any modern and civilized country. Of course, you DO realize that it IS possible to receive a fair trial, justice AND be convicted at the same time, right?

      • Imforthewhales

        Yes i think its possible…anything is possible… but its clear that the Japanese are very fond of vote buying…the IWC votes are a clear indication of that.

        japan might have a lot of modern looking buildings and they might make great TVS and all but in may ways Japan is not as civilized as one might hope…it is looking increasingly likely that they will give Pete Bethune a show trial sponsored by the Japanese whaling companies.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “…the Japanese are very fond of vote buying..”

        Ummm, dude. The Judge doesn’t “vote” in a trial.

        “…but in may ways Japan is not as civilized as one might hope..”

        Why do you think so? Have you even been to Japan? It’s far more civilized than the U.S.

        “…it is looking increasingly likely that they will give Pete Bethune a show trial sponsored by the Japanese whaling companies.”

        First, what leads you to think so? Second, private companies do not hold or “sponsor” trials.

    • VeganYuppie

      For the record, not all vegans are hippies. I’m a vegan yuppie (studying finance at university), and I have many professional vegan friends.

      Of course a number of vegans are hippies, but you don’t need dreads in your hair to believe needless animal suffering is wrong.

      • http://www.veganjapan.net herwin

        well said and plus one !! veganism is about making choiches in your life and in the supermarket, its not about the dreads in your hair. the best vegans are the profesionals and the yuppies because they made the choiche being vegan not for the fashionable reasons but simply to avoid contributing to animal suffering

      • Imforthewhales

        mforthewhales,

        “…the Japanese are very fond of vote buying..”

        Ummm, dude. The Judge doesn’t “vote” in a trial.

        Um…dude…I never said he voted…The judge passes judgement…but that is not say his judgement cannot be bought..it is clear that the Japanese are very fond of paying for decisions that they will get a benefit from.

        The Pete Bethune case is turning into a show trial for Japanese whaling interests. My guess that it is going to be long, protracted and nasty for Pete Bethune…as nasty as its possible to get, in fact.

        The fact that the Japanese whaling industry have sponsored so many poor island nations (such as Togo)…and maybe one or two landlocked countries that have no interest in whaling…to side with them in the IWC is clear confirmation of that.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “it is clear that the Japanese are very fond of paying for decisions that they will get a benefit from.”

        So, by your “logic”, because you believe Japan “buys votes” in the IWC no one in Japan can be trusted. Not the courts, the police, the coast guard, the ICR, the government, companies or the people; no one.

        “My guess that it is going to be long, protracted and nasty for Pete Bethune…as nasty as its possible to get, in fact.”

        Of course, you are free to believe what you like. If you are so bound and determined to be blind to reality and to twist the truth in order to justify your hatred of Japan and the Japanese people, then no amount of truth or reason will change that.

      • Robert Beller

        “For the record, not all vegans are hippies”

        Maybe not but they are all pussies.

        “You don’t need dreads in your hair to believe needless animal suffering is wrong”.

        Yuppy dread’s grow into their heads not out. Nature was designed with needless animal suffering in mind. Nature kills the young and old with starvation, drought, predators and climate change. Humans are part of nature just like the rest of the animals the destruction we cause is part of nature’s plan

      • imforthewhales

        So by that rational Robert, you don’t bother giving to the red cross when they come a knock knock knocking?

        Better to leave the homeless to die of starvation right?

      • Robert Beller

        Why not I’d be doing Watson’s bidding he hates humans. He wants a planet with a billion or less vegan pussies holding hands and singing kumbaya. Now of course he had a kid but everyone else should refrain and send money to save whales.

      • imforthewhales

        You seem very keen on doing Paul Watson’s bidding when it suits your purpose then…

        But of course Paul Watson actually cares about humanity which is why he is doing what he is doing.

        he cares about the world and the dame that the ignorant and selfish are doing to the planet. Paul Watson knows that we have a duty of care to leave a world behind to future generations that has not been made a lesser place due to our actions.

        I think the truth Robert Beller, the reason why you would leave homeless people to starve by not helping where you can, even just for a few sheckles is really more about your not caring about anyone or anything other than yourself. You are totally anthropocentric but more than that you appear to be completely selfish and almost self absorbed to the point of narcisme.

      • Robert Beller

        In every other aspect Watson is a turd but I would be willing to admit Paul Watson has a great idea. I support him wholeheartedly as long as he teaches by example. The day I see every SSCS member and supporter around the world carted off in a medical examiner’s van and confirmed dead I’ll join them. (I promise)

        BTW, No I don’t help the homeless because it would probably be you.

      • Imforthewhales

        Well yes Robert luckily i found a nice cardboard box complete with a computer and internet access.

      • Robert Beller

        I knew I saw you bumming quarters out in front of a Starbucks once. I’ve read about people like you in the Wall Street Journal it’s simply fascinating how well some deal with abject failure.

        “Like most San Franciscans, Charles Pitts is wired. Mr. Pitts, who is 37 years old, has accounts on Facebook, MySpace and Twitter. He runs an Internet forum on Yahoo, reads news online and keeps in touch with friends via email. The tough part is managing this digital lifestyle from his residence under a highway bridge”.

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124363359881267523.html

  • X3

    Yeah, I gotta say that I have seen the show and I have to agree. They don’t seem that concerned over the whales as much as they do about doing stupid stuff to make money and grab headlines. Come on, a jet ski and a citizens arrest? Like there was ever a chance that that was going to do anything but snare headlines. It also seems like the backlash is pretty bad. The Sea Shepherds will just keep upping the game until someone really gets hurt or dies and then they will cry that they were attacked.

  • Oscar Wilde

    “The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about.”

    • Robert Beller

      Yeah I hear Jeffery Dahmer’s family love all the death threats. Every criminal want to see his name in print even Peter Bethune.

      • imforthewhales

        Your name is in print robert, does that make you a criminal?

      • Robert Beller

        Bwhaa ha,ha! Ecorazzi is hardly “print” but at any rate no I didn’t admit to trespassing onto a vessel with a weapon after committing assault against members of it’s crew on camera.

      • gumnut

        Looks like print to me Robert Beller

      • Robert Beller

        The ignorant are easily fooled “print” is generally accepted as mainstream news outlets. I know unrepresented nobodies want to think ecorazzi is a media outlet but it isn’t. It’s a conglomeration of delusional smelly hippies, hipster dufuses and their witty detractors.

      • imforthewhales

        Thats a rather old fashioned definition of being in print…this might have been assumed back in 1972 but its now 2010 and we are in the digital age.

        These pages have, potentially, the same audience as a newspaper.

      • Robert Beller

        The world has already made up there mind Bethune and his cause have been forgotten.

  • Theodore Roosevelt

    “It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”

    “Citizenship in a Republic,”
    Speech at the Sorbonne, Paris, April 23, 1910

    • Bill Clinton

      That’s what I keep trying to tell to that melon head Watson but he keeps losing his cool and hopelessly lashing out. I’ve told him repeatedly if he has to be a failure at least he’s a spectacular failure. The key is to stick to his story “he did not have sex with that whale” and get on with his life.

      • imforthewhales

        “I Am Furious,” Said the Whaling Fleet’s Leader Shigetoshi Nishiwaki. :)

        12 April 2010 – 10:37pm

        The Japanese whaling catch this year is the lowest it has been in a long time, and the whalers place the blame of the low catch firmly on Sea Shepherd.

        According to the AFP: The fleet’s catch of 507 whales was down sharply on last year’s cull of 680 and below the target of about 850, said Japan’s Fisheries Agency, which blamed a total of 31 days of harassment by the Sea Shepherd group.

      • Robert Beller

        More evidence just in time for Bethune’s trial. That poor dupe is going to really get reamed at his trial.

      • gumnut

        Yes he will get reamed in ll likelihood because the judge will probably be getting paid off be Japanese whaling industry…or threatened with extinction by the Yakuza if he doest come up with a guilty verdict. Fair trial? I think not. It will be the rape of Nanjing mark 2. But The Ady Gil skipper knew something like this would happen.

        He is there because he wants to expose the Japanese whaling corruption to the world. So not only are the Japanese whalers down heaps of $$$ cause they were epic losers when they went whale harvesting this year, they are also going to be exposed to the world again as the corrupt insular buffoons that they are (supported by a few ginja crack pipes).

      • Robert Beller

        Just as long as he gets reamed. Bethune is coming to realize he made a mistake how much have you heard from him lately? Get used to it because Japan doesn’t let jailbirds mouth off about their political belief. Betune’s trial isn’t about whaling nor will it be.

      • gumnut

        I think you are in for a rude shock if you think that the anti whaling groups are going to stop saving whales simply because Japan feels the need to have a show trial against whaling activists.

        The fact is that the Japanese whaling interests have suffered a huge and mighty blow this whaling season. Their financial prospects are looking grim. Whales have been saved from their ineffective harpoons.

        I would have loved to have been in Tokyo when their paint splattered factory ship returned to port. I hope all the whale eaters got a good look at it from their office windows and thought to themselves about the barbarism of commercial whaling inside whale sanctuaries.

      • Robert Beller

        You’re the one in for a rude shock buddy Watson’s illegal tactics are starting to attract the wrong kind of attention the SSCS makes the US Navy’s Worldwide Threat to Shipping every year. “The Worldwide Threats to Shipping Report, compiled and published weekly by the Office of Naval Intelligence, contains a summary of recent piracy acts and hostile actions against commercial shipping worldwide, organized by geographic region. The report also includes any recent developments in the efforts to prevent piracy and prosecute the aggressors”.

        The SSCS has managed to make the US Navy’s Worldwide Threats to Shipping Report (WWTTS) just about every year that they’ve operated in Antarctica now of course the Japanese aren’t mentioned as aggressors in any of these reports. Strangely enough the Ady Gil sinking isn’t even mention but a few weeks later the SSCS made the report for attacking the Japanese researchers it just goes to show you even ineffectual lying vegan pussies can be considered a threat. (if only to themselves)

        See section N. ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC NON-STATE ACTIVIST GROUPS at the end of each report

        http://www.nga.mil/MSISiteContent/StaticFiles/MISC/wwtts/wwtts_20100224100000.txt

        Here’s an example of what you can find if you use the portal to search past reports between Dec. and Mar. for each year.

        http://www.maritimesecurity.com/docs/WWTS%2005Mar2009.pdf

      • imforthewhales

        N. ENVIRONMENTAL AND ECONOMIC NON-STATE ACTIVIST GROUPS:
        .
        1. SEA SHEPHERD: Sea Shepherd anti-whaling activists involved in altercation with
        Japanese whalers 17 Feb 10, Antarctic Ocean. Anti-whaling activists from Sea Shepherd threw
        butyric acid and fired paint guns at a Japanese whaling ship, which then repelled the protesters
        with water cannons (CNN).

        Is that it Robert Beller?

        Interesting that you failed to mention that the Japanese whale poachers also made this report.

        Nothing new there. Its all on WW3.

        Meanwhile the SS crew are free to come and go from the USA as they please and looking further into that report says that for north Asian ” there are no incidents to report”.

        What a waste of time that was!

      • Robert Beller

        That’s all it needs to be to be introduced into evidence. As you can see the Japanese are never mentioned as the aggressors in any of these reportsBecause they aren’t breaking the law. The Japanese cut the Ady Gil in half and they didn’t even get a mention because they aren’t a threat to worldwide shipping.

      • Imforthewhales

        The report there was very dismissive of any actions by Sea Sheperd against the whale terrorists.

        they reported some butter and some water. Nothing new there.

        I wouldn’t be pinning my hopes on this report to help boost the trade and shipping of whale meat if I were you roberto.

      • Robert Beller

        They don’t need to mention more, one of the Japanese charges has to do with assault with “butter” but your “butter” is actually industrial butyric acid and the Japanese will be introducing the unbroken bottles they collected this year as evidence. The WWTTS list shows a history of these attacks and like I said they don’t list the Japanese as aggressors not even in the Ady Gil sinking, as a matter of fact they don’t list it at all.

        BTW, I haven’t seen you over at the SSCS AU forum lately …. Oh, that’s right it’s now defunct. Well how’s that going? I see a lot of pro SSCS sites disappearing on FB as I type. Is this part of Watson’s “Putting Whaling On Trial” strategy? It sure looks like a “circle the wagons” maneuver to me.

  • Imforthewhales

    thanks cucumber, you’re always good for a laugh.

  • Hart

    Looks like AP plans on keeping the MVBB secret from the audience just as it was to the Japanese poachers.

  • Imforthewhales

    So, he doesn’t like whaling, and neither do you. Too bad – it’s legal to perform lethal research right now, and you guys just can’t deal with it. Of course you can’t give a hoot about any of the other countries doing it – it’s all about Japan right now, right?

    Are you really so foolish cucumber as to think that Japanese whalers torture and kill whales for research? we debunked the research thing for good a while back…even you stopped coming up with any paybacks on that one, once you woke up and realized the truth of the matter. I think the Japanese whale killers have given up on this line themselves…they know its not working any more. Oh sure they got a few suckers to believe the lie..for a little while…but the world woke up to them a long time ago.

    Who was it said that you can fool some of the people some of the time?

    Oh i think it was Abraham Lincoln.Way back in the 19th century.

    He was a pretty smart man that Abe Fella. A whole lot smarter than the people who fell for the “scientific research” tag in the beginning,( if there really were any.)

    Were you really one of them cucumber? Tell us that it isn’t so!

    As to the other countries doing it, there have been actions taken against them in the past. I see Iceland isn’t doing so well these days…in fact their whole country is broke…gone to the dogs. Whaling didn’t help them after all…

    Iceland is a great example of what can happen to a country that continually thumbs its nose at world opinion. Norway and Japan are next.

    • Robert Beller

      Are you so foolish as to think the Japanese have to justify their research to you or anyone else for that matter? If the Japanese want to kill 10,000 whales a year to test new harpoon grenade designs and they used the meat for fertilizer Article 8 makes that perfectly legal.

      It’s funny that you should mention Abe Lincoln he knew the value of a whale he presided over a major expansion of US whaling to provide glycerin for Civil war munitions.

      I hate to dash your hopes and dreams about Norway and Japan but Norway is one of the richest nations in the world per capita and Japan has the second largest economy. Iceland’s financial woes were caused by bank deregulation whales had absolutely nothing to do with it. As a matter of fact whaling is one of the few paying jobs that actually increased since the collaspe. It is a good thing Japan, Iceland and Norway lodged their CITIES objections against whales or Iceland wouldn’t have anywhere to legally sell its catch.

      • Imforthewhales

        They do have to justify it whether you like it or not Robert…so far all their research has been found wanting ( and needless) which is why the IWC put a ban on commercial whaling in the first place..

        I don’t recall anyone declaring that Japan owns all the worlds whales …or did I miss something?

      • Imforthewhales

        As far as I know Abe Lincoln wasn’t in the ” research whaling” business…they called it for what it was and didn’t feel the need to hide like cowards behind the skirt of big mummy’s research apron.

        Abe Lincoln wasn’t out to fool anyone.

        He knew that in the long run,that ploy never works.

      • Bill Clinton

        I’ve got news for you the IWC never banned whaling they paused whaling the IWC uses the word PAUSE numerous times on their official website along with moratorium but they NEVER say whaling “ban” because that is a conservation term and the IWC is a WHALING commission. The only conservation they do is in the interest of future commercial whaling. they say so on their official history page. BTW, a moratorium is a delay or suspension of an activity not an outright ban.

        http://iwcoffice.org/commission/iwcmain.htm

        IWC Article 8 is very specific that the nation issuing the scientific permits is the sole entity that must be satisfied with the scope and breadth of the research program absolutely no one else has a say in the process.

        http://iwcoffice.org/conservation/permits.htm

        The IWC and Scientific Permits

        GENERAL

        A major area of discussion in recent years has been the issuing of permits by member states for the killing of whales for scientific purposes. The use of such permits is not new. The right to issue them is enshrined in Article VIII of the 1946 Convention. Whilst member nations must submit proposals for review, in accordance with the Convention, it is the member nation that ultimately decides whether or not to issue a permit, and this right overrides any other Commission regulations including the moratorium and sanctuaries. Article VIII also requires that the animals be utilised once the scientific data have been collected.

        Prior to 1982, when it was agreed that a moratorium would come into effect in 1986, over 100 permits were issued by a number of governments including Canada, USA, USSR, South Africa and Japan.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Hi Bill

        I have a feeling that there is more to the story than that. Just like there was more to the Monika story.

        You know what I mean?

        Are you sure that cut and paste is not taken from the ICR website?

        The crumpet

      • Robert Beller

        Well strumpet are dummy if you bothered to go to the links I supplied you wouldn’t be so ignorant of the facts. This is why the fools at SSCS NEVER point their members to the IWC website for facts. Because it would make their lies even that much more obvious.

      • gumnut

        I believe that some of the best video comes from the ICR site…my personal favorite is the one where the epic whaling losers get fired upon with rotten butter bombs. I hear that when they go back home these whaling dudes have to sit in a bathtub for a week the stink is so bad!

        gumnut

      • Robert Beller

        I agree my favorite footage is when they ran down the Ady Gil like a drunk that wandered too close to the railroad tracks followed by the footage of Bethune in handcuffs….. brilliant!

      • imforthewhales

        Will b interesting what the world makes of it when they see it WW3. I bet it aint the Japanese whale poachers favourite scene!

      • Robert Beller

        Yes by that time the maritime investigation should be finished and at the most it will lay the blame evenly but with the Ady Gil’s history of harassment that is very unlikely. It is just as much Bethune’s responsibility to avoid collisions regardless of his stand on status. Is Watson going to paint a kill flag on his boat for the Ady Gil? He should, he brags about sinking those vessels too.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Imforthewhales,

    No problem, dude! Research or not, what they are doing is legal. It may not be to your liking, and it may be a loophole, but it’s not the only example of such a thing.

    Tell me, what makes you an expert in the Japanese economy? Don’t be so arrogant that you can claim to know anything beyond what Paul Watson tells you, which is about as far away from the truth as one can get. You’re no economist, and you’re not even a Sea Shepherd – you’re just some doof on their forum. I myself may be some doof on other forums, but I’m not the one pretending that I’m one of them. Paul Watson doesn’t give a crud about you, and neither does anyone else.

    We can agree to disagree, nothing is going to be solved here – you’re not going to convince me and I’m not really interested in convincing you, so let’s take this back to the original article as I have tried to do the last few posts.

    As far as the new poster goes, even you have to admit that it’s not very complimentary to the Sea Shepherds. It actually follows what is a very quickly growing notion that the SSCS aren’t so munch interested in whales themselves, but just publicity seeking stunts – hence the reference to the “42 crazy die-hards”. This new season is going to be the “Peter Bethune Show” and will show the Ady Gil collision about 3 thousand times. All we’re going to hear about is the “42 crazy die-hards” scream nonsense about “attempted murder” and how Peter is a hero, but the reality is that the show will pretty much reinforce the fact that Peter was no hero and that this was all for show. Even legitimate groups like Greenpeace denounce this kind of action, and the whole “blowback” comment tells is like it is.

    Even New Zealanders are sick of it – they leadership actually said in council that Peter Bethune “wasn’t important enough” to deal with and that there were bigger problems in the country to deal with. I’m sure you’ve seen this, but here it is in case you forgot….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RSRHzbZKFc&feature=player_embedded

    The New Zealand government knows it’s not about the whales – it’s about trying unsuccessfully to spark an international incident, but it failed. Oh yeah, we can’t wait for the next season of WW because like the poster says – it really isn’t about the whales.

    • Imforthewhales

      Show me where i have pretended to be anything cucumber?

      I don’t pretend to know everything…but i know something about some things…

      What i do know is that when WW3 comes on that you will be rushing for the tele to catch every episode.

  • Imforthewhales

    No problem, dude! Research or not, what they are doing is legal.

    Beep! NEXT CONTESTANT RICHARD…

    Wrong cucumber…if it is not research then it is commercial slaughter of whales for profit…which is in fact banned under the IWC of which Japan is a SIGNED UP member.

    So is it research or not? Your call cucumber!

  • Imforthewhales

    The New Zealand government knows it’s not about the whales – it’s about trying unsuccessfully to spark an international incident, but it failed. Oh yeah, we can’t wait for the next season of WW because like the poster says – it really isn’t about the whales.

    WRONG AGAIN CUCUMBER…the whale wars show itself is not about the whales but the people fighting to stop illegal whaling…Sea Sheperd Conservation Society is about the whales and so are all their actions in the southern ocean, WW3 is about the people fighting for the whales…to stop their illegal slaughter.

    Just thought i would clear that up for you. have a nice day!

    • Robert Beller

      WRONG! “Jail Wars” is going to be about 1 foolish criminal and his 41 incompetent accomplices. Jail Wars season two will consist of Japan arresting the next 12 brainwashed sycophants Watson dupes into breaking the law. It isn’t about the whales it’s about getting enough donations to have a next season and incerase Watson’s salary. If the SSCS ship of fools is looking to stop “illegal” whaling then they are total failures because there is no illegal whaling going on in the Southern Ocean. Nope, only 100% legal whale research.

      • Imforthewhales

        then they are total failures because there is no illegal whaling going on in the Southern Ocean. Nope, only 100% legal whale research.

        ***********************************************

        Its really sad and pitiful to see you bowing before your Japanese masters Robert….its sad and pitiful to see you blindly slurping from the bowl of Japanese lies and spin, sucking up to the last stinky drop anything that you are taught to believe…and trying to force others to believe it too.

        As i sad before Robert, despite the foolishness of mankind as a whole, not everyone is so stupid… The Japanese attempts to pass off their commercial whaling is a complete failure…not even their henchmen bother reciting the poem of scientific whaling anymore and they have moved on towards trying to reintroduce the term “commercial” whaling.

      • Robert Beller

        A return to commercial whaling is the whole purpose of the IWC and Japan’s whale research has been at the forefront of those efforts. Do you seriously think there would be talk of a commercial whaling revival if the Japanese hadn’t spent 22 years researching the viability of the hunt? The last few years they have been spent testing new harpoon grenade designs in anticipation. You’d do well to remember NZ is proposing the return to commercial whaling not just Japan. I don’t bow to Japan I bow the truthful facts. You on the other hand bow to Watson a well known self avowed liar and obfuscator. I don’t force anyone to believe my position you’re welcome to live in your fantasy world just don’t expect the other 99.9998% of us to take you seriously.

    • Imforthewhales

      Robert…its clear you are self flagellating…show me any credible research that suggests 99 per cent of people are in favor of a return to commercial whaling?

      I wont hold my breath because quite simply you will not be able to support your ridiculous claim.

      In fact your claim is about as credible as Japanese scientific research.

      Bogus claim, bogus research.

      Its quite funny that you can talk about being taken seriously…:)

      • Robert Beller

        Yawn…..Nice strawman argument. Who in the hell said anything about how many people want to return to whaling? I never say anything about numbers I only named some the anti whaling countries that have recently proposed a return to commercial whaling. The IWC only needs a 3/4 quorum to change the rules. It is a fact that the US, UK and NZ are looking for a whaling compromise and the US is one of the most influential members of the IWC.

        But it’s like I said the whaling nations of the world don’t have any reason to change anything because they aren’t breaking ANY laws now. The anti-whaling nations want this compromise because they are hoping to reduce the annual cull to 1500 animals total and change IWC article 8 to allow the anti-whaling faction of the WHALING commission more control over the scientific permit system. The whaling nations of the worlds aren’t going to agree to this perversion of the Whaling Commissions mission and purpose.

      • Robert Beller

        Oh, I see where you were going you incorrectly tried to equate the majority of the planet that disagrees with Waton’s tactics with people who agree with commercial whaling. (BTW, I said 99.9998%, there is a difference) Need I remind you that Watson was kicked out of Greenpeace and he was also kicked off the Sierra club board of directors for his extremist views? Watson is well hated in the conservation movement because they don’t need the negative publicity. Watson is only a hero to AR extremists and the easily befuddled people who know the facts know better.

        The animal planet whale wars forum was a perfect example of how many people actually supported the SSCS outside their tightly controlled boards. The SSCS claims millions of supporters but they couldn’t hold their own on the programs home forum against a few “armchair Admirals”. Most of them were banned for language or spamming irrelevant arguments within a few posts. The majority of people on those boards were fans of the show because they were critics. AP recently took down the forum when the Ady Gil was wrecked for a photo op and Bethune was arrested because it was such a tactical failure. The increased traffic would have crashed their server with negative comments.

      • Imforthewhales

        Robert…all i want is facts…show me where 99.99999 per cent of people favor a return to commercial whaling? or show me 99.99999999 of the planet that disagrees with what SS is doing.

        Please ..no vote buying!

        Are you up the the challenge on this one?

        Please Robert, tell me you are up to it..Ill be so disappointed if you fail.

        I would hate to think that you were just making figures up in your head and pulling them out of your derriere and posting them as fact for the gullible to soak up.

        Come on Robert, help me out here. I’m begging you.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Imforthewhales,

    Come on, dude – you couldn’t have put those response into one singular reply” Also – quit with the Caps thing, you’re hurting my ears! You’re not in any real position to clear anything up, so don’t pretend you are.

    Research? Yep, that’s what it is – call it what you want, but lethal research is legal and according to the law, they can market the excess meat. That much is pretty clear You don’t like it, so you cry. Big deal.

    Oh, Ok, so it’s about the people, eh? Like the drunken idiots from the first season that dumped the zodiak? Or is it about the in-fighting during the second season that caused the Peter Brown boob to leave because that Navy chick bested him? Real dedicated bunch!

    This new season will feature Peter Bethune almost exclusively to try and drum up sympathy, but what you have to realize, is that these stories have already been in the news day after day, and people are already bored with it By the time the show airs, you’ll see the following…..

    Peter will be into serving his multi-year prison sentence…

    Whaling will be on its way to be legalized – even the Australian government will fold…

    Other countries besides Japan, Norway, and Iceland will be whaling in the oceans…

    No one important is going to give a crud about the SSCS…

    The Sea Shepherds (not yours) efforts will have been for nothing…

    By the way – quit pretending that you’re one of them – just accept the fact that you’re simply some ball-hugging, swinger-on. My guess is that you just post in their forum and haven’t even donated any money to them. I’ve already talked to Triton, and even he’s worried that the SS efforts will have been for naught – be sure that you hooked up your wagon to the right horses!

  • Imforthewhales

    *Whaling will be on its way to be legalized – even the Australian government will fold…*

    ….and if this happens what will happen to Japanese “research” whaling?

    • Robert Beller

      Research whaling permits will no longer need to be issued and Japan will continue it’s research on it’s commercial quota. The NZ proposal would allow them to hunt in Southern Ocean and start an aboriginal whaling program back home. Don’t worry though the whaling nations of the world probably won’t accept the deal anyway. Why should they? They aren’t breaking any laws doing what they are doing now.

      • Imforthewhales

        Nothing would change Robert..how do you change an apple into an apple…( ???) the only difference would be they would not paint ” research” in the side of their ships …

        They might also have to go elsewhere as the Antarctic treaty forbids commercial whaling.

    • Robert Beller

      The Japanese will still conduct research because of course they are still members of the IWC and the IWC’s mission is to insure the orderly development of the whaling industry. Research is necessary to determine when stocks outside of the plentiful Minke are ready to exploit again. What about “proposal would allow them to hunt in Southern Ocean” don’t you understand? IWC members NZ the UK and the US want to allow the Japanese to hunt in the Southern Ocean the sanctuary will be amended to reflect that. As for Australia they don’t have a saying the matter unless they nut up and take Japan to court where they will undoubtedly lose because only 4 countries recognize AU’s Antarctic claims.

      • Imforthewhales

        Robert, the only country that japan recognizes is itself. Going back through history, Japan has a long and sordid history of not recognizing any claims made by any country. They didn’t recognize Chinas right to China in 1937, capturing Nanking and subsequently committed the Nanking massacre. In this case hundreds of thousands of people were murdered and up to 80,000 women were raped by the Imperial Japanese forces. As one might expect, japan has never admitted to these atrocities.

        In 1938 Japan failed to recognize Russia’s right to Russia.

        In 1941 Japan decided that they were not going to recognize the USA right to Hawaii and bombed the crap out of it.

        After that Japan thought that Thailand and Malaya should become Japanese instead of Thai or Malayan.

        Burma, Singapore, The Dutch East Indies…according to the Japanese , these countries were no longer recognized. Japan even decided that Australia had no claim to Australia and started bombing it as well.

        in 1942, Japan didn’t recognize the Philippines…ditto New Guinea and India.

        Japan not recognizing any claim to Antarctica? Who would have guessed! If recent videos are anything to go by they are still in an argument over territory with Russia..only Russia doesn’t muck around and simply fires on Japanese poachers…

      • Robert Beller

        BLAH. BLAH, BLAH! If you’re going to dredge up history for a “people who don’t remember their history” lesson tell it to the Native Americans, African American slaves, the Aborigines and the host of other people who got screwed in history by anti-whaling nations. This is another “let’s kidnap tourist” idea straight from the desk of Paul Watson.

        Only the desperate have to go back in history to find their vile comparisons for modern day people. I guess Mexicans still cut out hearts with obsidian knives in you world. Why is Japan the third most charitable nation on the planet? And don’t give me the “they buy influence” line because anti-whaling nations fill out the rest of the top ten nations? Keep living in the past that’s the best way NOT to change the future.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_charitable_countries

      • Imforthewhales

        Keep living in the past that’s the best way NOT to change the future.

        Yes thats why japanese need to wake up and realize we are in a new century with new conditions with no place for commercial whaling.

      • Robert Beller

        The Japanese have spent the entire current century researching the future viability of whale stocks and this research has anti whaling nations proposing a return to commercial whaling.

        Speaking of living in the past I heard the SSCS AU forum has closed it’s doors without an explanation. They have put up a notice essentially saying they’ll eventually concoct some convoluted lie to explain it. It must be sad for you, first Watson asked Discovery to close the Animal Planet Whale Wars forum and now he even had to close his own forum because of the huge resource it offered Japanese prosecutors.

  • Imforthewhales

    Come on cucumber, all the conjecture in the world isn’t going to make things happen or not happen inside your little crystal ball.

    I’m all for believing in dreams but believing in fantasy is something else.

    All the name changes from “scientific” or “commercial” isn’t going to stop perceiving a smokescreen, so stop kidding yourself that it will. scientific or commercial, everyone knows its one and the same and in both cases whales die a slow cruel death and suffer on the end of a harpoon.

    It wont make poison whale meat in school lunch boxes any less deadly or tastier.

    As for WW1 and WW2 , it is proven to be Animal Planets most successful series to date. WW3 promises to be the best season yet. Which is good because it is about people who see the folly of killing whales and who are prepared to make a stand. Yes thats what its about. People love that kind of stuff. Even if you hate the thought that there are people out there that are actually doing some good in the world instead of trying to take more and more of what isn’t theirs, you will still end up watching it to see what happens. Its all good! i hope that you enjoy WW3 starring Pete Bethune cucumber because you will be increasing the ratings for the series and thus helping the Sea Sheperd cause.

    Great work cucumber!

    Next time you sit down with your bowl of meaty bites in front of the TV to watch, how about you post us a pik?

    Anyway glad we cleared that little matter up previously…I hope you have learned a good lesson in comprehension.

    So your day hasn’t been a total waste?

    • Robert Beller

      Good ratings on a third tier cable channel means next to nothing more people watch SpongeBob Square Pants to learn about whaling issues. AP ratings don’t save whales and neither does the SSCS. Ghost hunting programs and wrestling draw way more viewers and they are just as effective as the SSCS at saving whales. The only thing WW generates is BS & donations that are squandered on sunken ships and shattered dreams. Watson watched whales being butchered right under his nose in the second season and all he did was run from phantom ninja ships to protect his fundrasing film. All his talk about “they don’t dare kill whales around us” was proven to be a lie. We all had a hearty belly laugh at the angst the crew portrayed over their ineffectual efforts to interfere with the ongoing research.

      Season 3 is only going to be an extension of the incompetence and disorganized planning displayed in season 2. It will be endless replays of the Ady Gil’s incompetent last minute replacement helmsman wrecking the boat and pleas for donations that won’t go to Bethune’s defense because he’ll be in jail by time the program airs. The MV Bob Barker is trapped in port because Watson is a liar he never had another nation waiting to replace the flag they lost. There was a time the SSCS would sail an unflagged vessel and brag about it. Those days are over. Watson can thank his new found fame for the extra official scrutiny he enjoys.

      • Imforthewhales

        Yo must have borrowed the same crystal ball that cucumber uses robert?

        Most of your post is pure conjecture rooted in fantasy..the fantasy of Japan owning the worlds whales and doing with them as they please…just as the Japanese have done as they please with mo regard for the rights for anyone else throughout modern history.

        But no matter. Your types that love money above all else and sold their soul years ago will never understand the passion that drives people to stop whale poachers.

        If you really think that one day you will wake up and be able to go whaling at will…i think you might have a different reality one day.

      • notinny

        right on Robert Beller!!

        and least we forget, Paul Watson is a greenpeace outcast. you have to work really hard to achieve that status.

      • Robert Beller

        What is it with you and crystal balls? 99% of my post deals with well known history. Watson is a proven lying coward, MV Bob Barker is looking for the flag Watson said they already had. And finally there is nothing I’ve said about season 3 that seasons 1&2 and Watson’s various recent blathering on the subject don’t bear out.

        If anybody uses a crystal ball with disastrous results it’s Watson! He thought he knew the minds of the Kiwi’s he figured they’d rally to the cause of a hometown zero. But NZ isn’t in the market to support a common criminal like the former penal colony of Australia. Now Bethune is facing a slew a charges that won’t “put whaling on trial”.

        As for passion the Confederates thought that was was enough to win the Civil war but they were wrong too. Passionate fools are still just fools. Watson likes calling Bethune the “Last Samurai” well you do know Captain Nathan Algren defected to the losing side right? Not just that but he stayed in Japan after his defeat to live with his “enemy”. This is probably Watson’s way of saying Bethune has turned states evidence against the SSCS and found a Japanese wife to settle down with after he gets out of prison.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Yo, Robert,

    Right-on, Bro! Imforthewhales likes to talk about fantasy…. Well, he should know about that better than anyone here. He thinks that their petty and stupid antics out in the Southern Ocean are actually doing anything positive. They think that buying a few tin badges all of a sudden makes them Wyatt Earp and they can take the law into their own hands – wrong!

    Let’s look at some of his fantasies….

    Peter Bethune jumped aboard the SM2 like the idiot his parents now know he is, and thought that the captain would just say “yep – I’ll come along quietly”…

    The Sea Shepherds, (which Imforthewhales is not one of) think that by saving a handful of whales, some good was done when in reality all they have done is to cause other whales to be killed in greater numbers elsewhere….

    Japan will simply “come to its senses” and just stop whaling because the SSCS says so…

    The issue is about the safety of the Japanese people and that they must be warned about “tainted, toxic” whale meat. Yeah right, with many posts on the SS forum that read like this….

    “I know my history, its a pity the Japanese don,t remember, I have no love, respect, for this despicable race.”

    “I hate a race that cannibalised and used Australian troops for bayonet practice, and until the truth about what the Imperial army did during world war 2 is taught openly to the japanese people and the whole sordid truth comes to light, I will continue to hate the bastards. For the sake of the innocents who suffered under the heel of the japanese THIS MUST NOT BE FOrGOTTON OR FORGIVEN anymore that what the NAZIS did to the Jews.”

    …Bigbadpete

    …Do you really want to sit there and say that the concern is for the Japanese people eating whale meat?

    It’s important to note that even the most mild post questioning Paul Watson resulted in being deleted and the users banned, but posts like the one above were OK because “it reflects their views and opinions”. With the SS guys saying this openly and frequently, you call the Japanese racists” Really?? Are you kidding??

    By the way – Even Triton and Tina are worried about what is going to happen, I know, I talked to them. They have some clue about what’s going on, but you are simply a simp in their forum. If they are worried, you should be too.

    Hopefully that clears up YOUR comprehension issues…..

    • Robert Beller

      I agree I constantly see the most ludicrous fantasies coming from AR extremists, “let’s petition the president to send the Navy”, “no we need kidnap tourists”, “let’s sink a boat in Japan to block the factory ship” and those are their “good” ideas.

      I like the Toxic whale meat warning because it is only one more reason to look to the pristine waters of the Antarctic for future commercial whaling. All seafood in the Antarctic is as pristine as their environment I’m sure Norway will be looking to start their lethal research program in their Antarctic claim if toxic Northern meat becomes and issue.

      Another thing I find amusing is the flawed logic behind blocking the slipway or spoiling the meat with acid to “cut into the whalers profits”. Watson talks out both sides of his moth on this issue. One minute the research whaling is generating obscene profits. The next the SSCS is crowing about the funding shortfalls Japanese whale research has produced because of their actions. All the while ignorant of the fact that the JARPA programs have never generated a profit like most research in general. Either way the spoiled research subject doesn’t count towards the research quota and it only serves to extend and expand the JARPA II program.

      There are many SSCS long time supporters that are desperate to rejuvenate their failed movement. Donovan is a prime example he is on the verge of admitting everything has been for naught he sounds like Paul Watson right before a direct action,”WHAT DO WE DO, JUST TELL ME?!?!” Watson’s love of racism is legendary he has been more than happy to slur the indigenous subsistence hunters of the Earth. He just extends this tactic to the Japanese because he has no facts to fight with just emotional appeals and lies.

    • Imforthewhales

      With the SS guys saying this openly and frequently, you call the Japanese racists” Really?? Are you kidding??

      Its a well known fact that Japan is one of the most racist countries on the planet. I’m more than happy to provide you with information to this effect, if you so desire.

      eg….

      Yasuhiro Nakasone, the conservative prime minister of Japan in the 1980s, angered minorities in Japan by referring to Japan as a “homogeneous nation” with “one ethnicity, one state and one language.” He angered American and American minorities when said that the “intellectual level” of Americans was below that of Japanese because of “people like blacks, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans.”

      Tokyo mayor-governor Shintaro Ishihara used the word sangokujin, a derogatory term that means people from third countries, to refer to the immigrants. The term was used after World War II to tell Koreans and Chinese to leave Japan. He has also blamed Iranians in Japan for dealing drugs and Chinese immigrants for playing a major role in Japan’s rising crime rate and warned of “genetic pollution” from China if too many Chinese immigrants were let in. These and other remarks won Ishihara the title of the Le Pen of Japan.

      Ishihara also said, “Third-country nations and foreigners who have entered Japan illegally have perpetuated heinous crimes. In the event of a major earthquake, riots could break out, and there is a limit to the police’s ability to cope with such a situation alone.” He later apologized for this remark which was particularly insensitive in the light that as many as 7,000 Koreans were lynched after they were blamed for looting and setting fires and even causing the Great Tokyo Earthquake in 1923.

      • robert beller

        And everybody knows the best way to fight racism is with racism. Martin Luther King actually lead an army of people spewing racial hatred to win the civil rights movement. Ghandi booted out the English with his rabid racist rants. The best defense is a good offense and the more offensive the better…. for the Japanese.

  • X3

    SSCS really should remove the whale as its symbol, replacing it with a likeness of their captain. And come to think of it SSCS doesn’t really seem to accomplish much. They do go charging around the high seas burning lots of atmosphere-polluting fossil fuels as self-appointed ocean police but there’s precious little of note to put on their CVs other than ‘rancid-butter-throwing-left-wing-attention-seeker’

    Pete Bethune, skipper of the bottom of the Southern Ocean residing Ady Gil, is facing trial and possible long term imprisonment in Japan. Sea Shepherd has responded by declaring Bethune a political prisoner, exploiting Bethune’s poor judgement in boarding a Japanese whaling vessel as a fund raising opportunity. Interestingly, the webpage ostensibly dedicated to helping Bethune but really a plea for donations, features a great big photo of habitual attention seeker Paul Watson – admiral of the Sea Shepherd fleet – at the top left with Bethune’s much smaller photo tucked away down the page. And doesn’t Watson look a figure of decisive – almost military-like – strength?

    So come on you anti-whaling types with money to spare, donate to Sea Shepherd to help ensure that Paul Watson doesn’t have to get a boring old real job and can keep living out his super-hero vigilante wrong-righting fantasies. After all, those pretty little, heart-protecting, Captain 007 sheriff badges can’t be cheap.

  • TitaniumTotem

    Well folks, look at it this way. No matter how screwed up things might get in your life, you’re probably better off then anyone named Peter and in the SSCS.

    While a whole lot of people thought Peter Browne was the most incompetent person to carry the title of first mate (a title “given” to him by someone who “gave” himself the title of captain and considered Peter qualified), he at least had the wisdom and foresight to get while the getting was good.

    What can be said about Peter the Hammer? Pete, when you were on the Farley Mowat, getting ready to confront the Canadian Coast Guard and most assuredly get arrested, didn’t you think it was odd that paul watson suddenly jumped ship at your last port because he remembered he had to return a library book back home that was almost due.

    Peter Bethune? Dude, you’re supposed to be an experienced mariner. You should know the second you step on board another vessel you’re subject to the laws of their flag nation. Did you really believe watson when he told you the Japanese would release you right away but he couldn’t join you because he had to…uh…to, uh…to write a love poem to girlfriend v11.2?

    So, when live has you down, remember, your name isn’t Peter and you’re not a member of the SSCS.

  • Sea Cucumber

    SSCS really should remove the whale as its symbol, replacing it with a likeness of their captain. And come to think of it SSCS doesn’t really seem to accomplish much. They do go charging around the high seas burning lots of atmosphere-polluting fossil fuels as self-appointed ocean police but there’s precious little of note to put on their CVs other than ‘rancid-butter-throwing-left-wing-attention-seeker’

    Pete Bethune, skipper of the bottom of the Southern Ocean residing Ady Gil, is facing trial and possible long term imprisonment in Japan. Sea Shepherd has responded by declaring Bethune a political prisoner, exploiting Bethune’s poor judgement in boarding a Japanese whaling vessel as a fund raising opportunity. Interestingly, the webpage ostensibly dedicated to helping Bethune but really a plea for donations, features a great big photo of habitual attention seeker Paul Watson – admiral of the Sea Shepherd fleet – at the top left with Bethune’s much smaller photo tucked away down the page. And doesn’t Watson look a figure of decisive – almost military-like – strength?

    So come on you anti-whaling types with money to spare, donate to Sea Shepherd to help ensure that Paul Watson doesn’t have to get a boring old real job and can keep living out his super-hero vigilante wrong-righting fantasies. After all, those pretty little, heart-protecting, Captain 007 sheriff badges can’t be cheap.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Imforthewhales,

    Come on – dazzle me with your statements of “man, you’re gonna get yours”, and “man, you are looking at t a crystal ball”. Come on – sit their on your ball-hanger-on ass and drink your grass-clipping smoothie, posting all the lies that you read on the SS forum. You read them there because you’re basically too stupid to do any thinking for yourself, like your dumb buddy AnimuX.

    By the way – as far as that BigBadPete guy goes – he’s about the best thing to happen to the pro-whaling cause. He spouts racist rhetoric as a long-time Sea Shepherd member while looking down and seeing “things” like mini Japanese soldiers climbing up his legs with knives in their teeth, and Yamamoto sailing into his driveway.

    Did you talk with Tina and Triton on your forum? I’m betting that you did. Did their worry shut you up?

    The Sea Shepherd support is failing.

    The whaling will continue and will eventually be legalized.

    As far as what would happen to the whaling research, it will still continue regardless. Countries will be doing whaling research as well as some commercial whaling.

    Yes, I’ll be watching this season of Whale wars – I never said I wasn’t going to, now did I, huh, dummy? The important thing is that many others will too – watching the program does more for the pro-whaling movement than anything else.

    You don’t need a crystal ball to see the simple truth of what’s coming. You just need to open your eyes, and we know that Paul Watson doesn’t like that.

    So – come on – amaze us some more!

    • Michael Raymer

      Y’know “Susan”, I’ve run a search on you and I think it’s time you verified who you are. For someone who feels as strongly as you do, I would think that you would update your Facebook and MySpace pages to reflect your new viewpoints. I don’t see you posting any of these concerns anywhere else. I don’t see any other mention of this sudden disillusionment. Just here….where a person can type in any name he/she wants.

      As for Jane Taylor, I ran a search on her too. Again, there is nothing to confirm your claims about her. I did find this…

      http://vegetarianstar.com/2009/07/17/jane-taylor-discusses-rewards-of-riding-the-sea-shepherd/

      “Jane announced on last week’s episode that she’ll be leaving the Steve Irwin for now, but there’s a good chance she’ll be back!”

      That’s it.

      If you are who you claim you are, then let’s see some proof.

      • sinktheboats

        So whats the latest on this Susan fella?

        No answer?

        Sounds a wee bit suspicious:)

    • gumnut

      If they had stuck with the whales rather than the SSCS crew-members personalities, if they had shown more of the footage of whales being killed and processed on the Nisshin Maru. Then we may have made a positive difference for the anti-whaling movement. Look at what a few Greenpeace videos of seals being killed did for the anti-sealing movement.

      Sorry but i find this post a little strange.

      There is little to no chance of Sea Sheperd filming whales being killed and cut up on the whalers bloody decks for bite sized mouthfuls of sushi.

      The reason for this is very simple.

      When the Sea Sheperd ships are down saving whales, thats exactly what they are doing, they are not standing by why japan shoots harpoons into them.

      So why would there be video of whales being cut up on the decks of the Japanese whaling ships?

      Perhaps you are suggesting that they have divers in the subzero waters and film whales????

      As i said this post is very strange.

    • Bill Clinton

      @ gumnut

      You didn’t watch season 2 of WW because the Japanese killed whales right in front of Watson and he was totally helpless. Everybody was crying like they skinned their knee Watson didn’t give his life for any whales he ran like a sissy crying from phantom ninja coast guard vessels intent on confiscating his fundraiser film.

      • gumnut

        They didn’t kill whales, they managed to kill A whale…big difference. Instead of wasting time filming its bloody carving up on deck, SS went to work to make sure no more whales were killed while they were on watch. Very successfully too.

        The Japanese whaling machine is sinking faster than a lead weight.

      • Sagebrush

        No, gum..I think it might be YOUR organization that sinks faster.

        Pay attention…

      • Robert Beller

        WRONG! They killed three whales in the second season of Whale Whores and Watson tried to block the transfer of the fourth and he fail miserably. Then he ran like the coward he is because he got wind of phantom ninja coast guard vessels.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Eh, no. The Steve Irwin was low on fuel, so they went back to port. Phantom ninja coast guard vessels? How old are you? 8? They wouldnt have needed to avoid the coast guard if they did have enough fuel, because they were already on the tail of the Nisshin Maru.

      • Killer B

        They end the “season” when they have enough footage. This year it was a fuel line “issue”. Last year it was fuel. Can’t wait to see how they spin the story this year. What a bunch of idiots. They can’t even get their own message board in order and had to shut it down for fear of what the Japanese are going to use as evidence.

        What a joke.

      • From MN, with hope…

        What about 4 years back, when they had no camera crew? When did they leave then? They dont care about footage, and if they would’ve left when they had enough, they would’ve been gone in a few hours, or much earlier then mid/late February. The fuel issue was on the Bob Barker, not the Steve Irwin. The Steve Irwin was heading back to prepare for the bluefin tuna campaign. They arent taking cameras to the Mediterranean, so what will make them decide to leave then?

      • Killer B

        They did not care about the footage four years ago like you said. Now they know the footage is their bread and butter. That’s why they shut the forums down so that no spoilers can get out and ruin their precious reality show. ITS NOT ABOUT THE WHALES. Great tagline there and oh so indicative of the Sea Shepherd motive.

      • Killer B

        No cameras to the MED. So far. That’s why Watson is pitching his Tuna Wars idea to discovery or any other gullible TV Exec. who will listen. The true supporters have been sold out for the lures of the silver screen. Truly this is becoming even more of a farce than ever before.

  • Sea Cucumber

    TitaniumTotem,

    Why the heck are we wasting our time with this poser anyways?

    Imforthewhales,

    You aren’t even a Sea Shepherd, you’re just some mindless drone on their forum. Go get Chris from the Bob Barker to comment in here. If you don’t know who that is on your forum, it’s “cr4ss”. I’ve talked with him – he doesn’t have anything better to do since the Barker is screwed right now.

    Titanium,

    Watch this – his response will be something along the lines of this… “I’m not gonna go get him because it’s a waste of his time”.

    Translation:

    I tried, but he said “Imforthewhales is a nobody, not even being a real Sea Shepherd member and I am not going to respond to him.”

    Meanwhile – where is rest of the “Quintangle of Morons”? That would be Donovan, Iamaufo, Lenzabi, MN Hope, and AnimuX (my personal favorite)? Let’s get them in here to share some of their brilliant insight as to why it is or isn’t about the whales this season.

    • Imforthewhales

      So Cucumber, you are also a member of the SS forum, why don’t you post here what your user name is so that i can read your posts?

      Or would you find the prospect of that a bit too scary?

      Unlike you, people are not scared for others to know that they post on other forums.

      Perhaps your real intention of joining the SS forum was to be a lurker in the background, like a weirdo on a dark night hiding behind a tree in the park?

      While you are at it why don’t you disclose who all your other buddies are on here? Also what particular part of internet hell from whence you have come from?

      It wouldn’t be the seal fishery.com now would it? That would explain a lot.

      • Jill

        I lurk on the Sea Shepherd site because I find it amazing that these people are able to function in society. The absolute delirium over there is astounding. Lets hack computers, lets sink ships, lets throw acid at all Japanese people. What a bunch of lunatics. The Sea Shepherd society is capable of doing so much good and to be looked at as a positive force, instead they go for the sensationalistic headline grabbing / donation getting news that makes them look like idiots in the minds of the majority. Of course there are the few space cadets and too rich for reality celebrities who fall for the b.s. If your cause is so righteous and so moral why all the need for subterfuge, lies, propaganda and exaggeration?

      • Imforthewhales

        Is that you cucumber? Or is it really Jill? WHOOPS! or Robert? who are we really talking to here??

      • Robert Beller

        @Imforthewhales

        Paranoid much? You know damn well I’d never say the SSCS is capable of good positive force. Why voice your useless frustration of not knowing who were are or what we do. We lurk like “weirdos” to fit in to your misfit club. Some of our double agent profiles are your greatest perceived champions. That’s how COINTELPRO operations work your most trusted friend may be one of our deep agents and your worst enemy.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Hey Imforthewhales – I just noticed that you quoted me on your forum! That is so cool! I knew that you’d be sending up a distress flare trying to gain some support – but it doesn’t look like they are to interested in supporting you, does it? Just a couple of comments basically saying the same thing that I’ve been telling you – you don’t like the truth and it’s just eating away at you.

    I guess that you can resort to just posting with other names like you have done so many times before.

    Now be a good lad and get a real Sea Shepherd in here to add some brilliance.

    • Imforthewhales

      Hey cucumber! Missed ya!

      With all the bad news of the world going on around us, with all the environmental destruction and the forces of greed constantly encircling us, i thought it would be good for the SS members to get a laugh to break the sombre reality. Thanks cucumber, I am sure you have put a smile on many faces today. Another job well done!!!

      I don’t need any help over here cucumber? Why should i share the fun? I love chatting to you guys. Its good practice…and helps prepares me for the real thing!

  • TitaniumTotem

    We pause for a commercial announcement from Animal Planet.

    Coming this summer, Whale Wars Season Three. It’s not about whales, it’s about 76 die-hards, three boats and a mission (crunch)…uh…it’s about 68 die-hards, two boats and a defendant.

    • Imforthewhales

      Well thats always possible, SS take a lot more risks in the southern ocean than most ordinary folks. Not only are they up against the swells of the ocean but they are up against the committed rapists of the seas…the Japanese whalers and other vested interests who have shown just how dangerous they really are.

      • TitaniumTotem

        “…the committed rapists of the seas…”

        Is there some kind of handbook where you can get phrases like that or are you just naturally poetic…in a silly sort of way?

      • http://www.veganjapan.net herwin

        better a natural poet in a silly kinda way than a dickhead in a stupid kind of way. :-)

      • Robert Beller

        The guys that do the “Jackass” movies take a lot of risks for our entertainment too. As a matter of fact their anti-whaling efforts are as effective as the SSCS but they don’t get arrested doing it.

      • TitaniumTotem

        “better a natural poet in a silly kinda way than a dickhead in a stupid kind of way”

        Don’t be so hard on yourself…I’m sure there’s some poetry in your somewhere.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Imaufo, or Iamforthewhales, or Imaidiot,

    Whatever name you are using now, I just wanted to post these again for you because I didn’t want them to get lost in the trail above,

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10637387

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RSRHzbZKFc&feature=player_embedded

    I also mailed these to Pete’s family so they can see how the support effort is going – I knew you wanted to do that, but I wanted to help you out! I hope that this gives them some comfort! Thanks for posting all the links that I needed on the forum!

    Maybe we can bake Pete a rice cake with a vegan file in it!

    Remember, it’s not about the whales! It’s about making Japanese license plates, and if he’s lucky, he’ll be making parts for the harpoons. The good news is that NatGeo was looking for information on this for their “Locked up Abroad” show! Hehehe.

    Just tryin’ to help ya!

    • http://www.veganjapan.net herwin

      “just tryin’ to help ya” :-P

    • robert beller

      Sea Cucu is helping, someone has to make Peter and his family aware that Watson duped them so they can prepare for the likely dismal futures. You don’t tell a person with terminal cancer that they are going to be cured that’s just cruel. You need to point out this really is a win win situation here’s only a taste of the good that will come from Peter’s incarceration. He’ll learn Japanese, how to sit quite and to like cabbage soup. His wife won’t have to worry about that annoying 20% of the time he manages to wander home. And since Pete left his family destitute she won’t have to worry about a place to live after the bank takes her house she’ll just move in with her parents.

  • Sea Cucumber

    “I thought it would be good for the SS members to get a laugh to break the sombre reality. Thanks cucumber,”

    Imforthewhales,

    That’s SEA cucumber, not just “cucumber”! Don’t bother with the deprecating commentary about my quote in your forum – I read it, and no one gives a crud what you posted. You did exactly what we’d predicted that you would do – post it up to start some jazz, but it backfired on you. Believe me, they have more than enough to worry about right now. As a matter of fact, you were the only one dumb enough to come in here and keep posting all that garbage. The rest were smart enough to keep out. Tell the rest of your “Quintangle of Morons” that they did the right thing!

    By the way – you keep avoiding the question – did you talk to Tina and Triton? They are worried about certain future things, and they know a hell of a lot more than you do. That should tell you something! Thanks to Peter Garrett in NZ, we can count on the following:

    Pulp mill in pristine Tassie, approved.
    Uranium mine in SA, approved.
    Uranium dump in NT, approved.
    Bluefin tuna fishing, approved.
    Whaling in the Southern Ocean, disliked but approved.

    But again, the real Sea Shepherds, (not you), don’t actually care about any of that because there’s no Japanese Yakuza involved, right? By the way, the above notes came from another follower on your forum – another nut-hugger like you.

    “Not only are they up against the swells of the ocean but they are up against the committed rapists of the seas…”

    Would someone please tell me who in the name of goodness talks like that besides a cult follower? What a doof….

    • Robert Beller

      “CUCUMBER”?!?!

      Yuck! I think Imforthewhales is having impure thoughts about you Sea Cucumber. She had to rush out and tell all her girlfriends about your girth, your length … your everything. It just goes to show you how anti-meat some of those vegans can get with their vegetables.

      • Imforthewhales

        In an announcement that has taken the world by surprise, the Japanese Fisheries Agency has announced that after killing 59 Minke whales they have discovered they eat krill.

        The Associated Press reports that the annual expedition off the Japanese port city of Kushiro harvested 59 whales under a research programme authorised by the International Whaling Commission.

        The annual research expedition off the Northern Island of Hokkaido is “aimed at studying whales’ feeding patterns and their effect on fish stocks”.

        There are a number of questions I have about this latest research expedition. I am hoping someone can assist me with some answers.

        1. The Japanese are considered a smart race of people. So it goes without saying that their scientists must be top notch. So, why did it take them 59 whales before their clever scientists worked out that there was a pattern forming in the stomach contents of the Minke whales they were catching?

        2. Why did they need to kill the whales to find out what they ate when every web site I visited after googling Minke Whales told me what they ate? (I admit I gave up when I reached double figures)

        3. In this supposedly enlightened age, why – when everyone knows that ‘research’ programmes are the only way that whaling nations can hunt whales now – doesn’t everyone be adult and admit that the catches are commercial whaling and have nothing much to do with science?

        4. The hunt caught 36 male and 23 female Minke whales. Does this mean that female Minke whales are smarter than males and better at avoiding the harpoons of the ‘scientists’?

        5. Why did they stop at 59 whales when the research programme allowed them to take 60? Is it bad karma or something to take the maximum allowed?

        6. Why be concerned with the whales’ “effect on fish stocks”? Surely we don’t have to be a Japanese scientists to conclude that if all these ‘research’ programmes carry on then, no whales equals minimal effect on fish stocks.

        7. If we turn all the whales’ into research then won’t all the ships go extra slow plowing through all that extra krill that is swimming around in the ocean?

        8. Why is International Whaling Commission member – Mongolia – so passionate about whaling? Are we lucky that whales would have become extinct centuries ago if the Mongol hordes went in the other direction, travelled thousands of mile to the sea and took to boats slaughtering the whales?

      • Imforthewhales

        Sea Cucumbers squirt when you press them hard enuff.

        An apt name, i might add.

        By the way – you keep avoiding the question – did you talk to Tina and Triton?

        Are you paranoid that i have?

        I have never talked to either of them , why would i start now?

        As i sad before cucumber you are a lot of fun.

        I don’t think i want to share you with anyone else?

      • Robert Beller

        If your not a Japanese whale researcher nobody that matters cares about your suppositions and questions. The Japanese don’t have to justify their actions to you or anyone else for that matterWow how many whales are you going to claim you saved for that little waste of electrons? You’ll notice Paul Watson isn’t doing ANYTHING about the JARPN research program because he knows his ass would end up in jail with his buddy Bethune. Here is one more place Watson won’t give his life for whales because he values his freedom about all.

      • crumpets are yummy

        If your ( *you’re) not a Japanese whale researcher nobody that matters cares about your suppositions and questions.

        Aha…so by that rational applied back to yourself..

        Oh never mind Robert, I care about your suppositions and questions.

        Wealy and twuly!

      • Titan Smith

        Sea Shepherd = hippie bums, the only feelings I have toward them is humor. TV hasn’t been this entertaining since the invention of Cops!!!

        Personally I don’t care if the Japanese like to eat whales. Let ‘em eat all they want as far as I’m concerned. This situation is analogous to a bunch of Brahman Indians deciding to ‘protest’ the American beef industry by smashing up cattle ranches. Yihaa!

        Japan should send their Navy to escort these ships and sink every last one of these ‘activists’ and then machine gun the survivors into shark bite sized pieces. Come on Momma serve me up some nice whale steak with a bit of soy sauce on the side, medium rare please.

        It’s not really illegal. A voluntary organization with no enforcement and no treaty backing of any kind declared a meaningless moratorium with giant fat loopholes.

        This is what I used to think in a past life.

        I admit i was juvenile and a little scary. Not to mention that i was being a giant douche bag of the highest order.

        Folks used to clap when they saw me strolling down main street…clap their hands over their eyes.

        Now I understand why. I was a turd.

        There was a store here in my home town that was illegally selling tiger meat, lion meat, and other strange animals. There are people in this country who eat weird stuff, the problem? It’s illegal!

        So these bingos make money because people feel a bit naughty when they start tuckin into a bit of lion heart. Who knows maybe it turns them on some.

        It was then that i woke up to myself. Talk about being an idiot! I realized what i was supporting last time i had been ion Tokyo on R&R during Nam.

        I was disgusted. I was disgusted with myself.

        Whaling for commercial purposes meaning “for profit” is illegal and has been since 1986. The only reason no one is stopping them besides unwashed loony toons is because they claim they are on a “scientific endevour”. I can study serial killing without becoming a serial killer. I don’t like them lying to make money. That’s all.

  • Mick

    imforthewhales,

    You need to study history more.

    “In 1941 Japan decided that they were not going to recognize the USA right to Hawaii and bombed the crap out of it.”

    The Japanese navy “bombed the crap” out of a American naval installation located in the Hawaiin islands.

    “After that Japan thought that Thailand and Malaya should become Japanese instead of Thai or Malayan.”

    Thailand was an, unwilling, ally of Japan in WW II. Malaysia was controlled by the British.

    “Burma, Singapore, The Dutch East Indies…according to the Japanese , these countries were no longer recognized. Japan even decided that Australia had no claim to Australia and started bombing it as well.”

    Burma and Singapore were also controlled by the British. Indonesia was a Dutch colony, hence the name “Dutch East Indies”. Australia had no claim to Australia???? You mean the white people who destroyed the original inhabitants and took their land?

    “in 1942, Japan didn’t recognize the Philippines…ditto New Guinea and India.”

    The Phillipines were an American colony and New guinea was controlled by Australia. India was a British colony. Of all the places you listed only one was an independent country during WW II: Thailand. All the others were colonies, territories or otherwise controlled by foreigners.

    • Robert Beller

      Great point Mick none of the fools at the SSCS or their supporters known anything that the liar in chief Watson hasn’t said. Anti-whaling nations presided over the destruction of many aboriginal peoples either through savage conquest or outright slavery. One man’s Bataan death march is another’s Trail of Tears. How many infected blankets did it take to win the west?

      Then along comes a racist douche like Watson to tell the Makah how to live after his white ancestors destroyed their way of life. Watson even had enough gall to try and place himself as a “spirit warrior” at Wounded Knee rendering medical aid. Of course the people that were actually involved called him a liar after his story broke.

      • Imforthewhales

        “The lack of samples could affect the accuracy of our research,” Mori said of the low catch.

        Translation…” The lack of whales killed could affect the amount of money we made this year” ( !!!) Mori said of the low catch.

    • Imforthewhales

      Ah I see so by your rational , then it was OK to bomb the crap out of everything and everyone ( including the original inhabitants of Australia !)

      Funny how back then that Canada thought it might be a good idea to stop them bombing the crap out of everyone?

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,
        What is this gibberish? What are you babbling about?

      • crumpets are yummy

        *Of all the places you listed only one was an independent country during WW II: Thailand. All the others were colonies, territories or otherwise controlled by foreigners*.

        You made the point Mick…I’m asking if you meant it was Ok for Japan to bomb the crap out of all these countries because they were “colonies, territories or otherwise controlled by foreigners”

      • Imforthewhales

        I was wondering what difference it made who controlled these countries? The Dutch East Indies was bombed by Japan no matter whether it was Dutch or Batavian or Etheopian…whats the diff?

        Did the Japanese do their research before the started invading?

        Perhaps they don’t call this WW2 in Japanese text books. Perhaps they call it ” Lethal research of the Dutch East Indies”.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        You began this discussian by posting:

        “In 1941 Japan decided that they were not going to recognize the USA right to Hawaii”

        “After that Japan thought that Thailand and Malaya should become Japanese instead of Thai or Malayan.”

        “Burma, Singapore, The Dutch East Indies…according to the Japanese , these countries were no longer recognized. Japan even decided that Australia had no claim to Australia and started bombing it as well.”

        “in 1942, Japan didn’t recognize the Philippines…ditto New Guinea and India.”

        You complain that Japan did not “recognize” these countries. I pointed out that your examples were not countries. The native peoples right to their own countries was not recognized by various foreign powers and their land was controlled by foreigners. So your contention that Japan was attacking the native peoples of the places you mentioned, is incorrect.

      • Mick

        crumpets are yummy,

        “I’m asking if you meant it was Ok for Japan to bomb the crap out of all these countries because they were “colonies, territories or otherwise controlled by foreigners””

        Was it OK? It was a war. Is war OK?

      • gumnut

        Mick , you seem to be clutching at straws here.

      • Mick

        gumnut,

        Not at all. Crumpets are yummy asked if it was OK to attack the previously mentioned “countries”. The attacks he was refering to occured in the course of a war. So, he is in effect asking if war is OK.

    • Mick

      imforthewhales,

      “In 1941 Japan decided that they were not going to recognize the USA right to Hawaii..”

      By the way, I’m certain there are many native Hawaiians that would disagree with the USA’s “right to Hawaii”, as well.

      • Robert Beller

        No what that means is they are going to extend the JARPA program beyond the 10 years they projected. Commercial whaling in the SOWER will commence before the JARPA programs ends anyway.

      • Imforthewhales

        That might well be the case.,…but at least it was legal.

      • Mick

        imforthewhales,

        “..but at least it was legal.”

        You are very much mistaken. The overthrow of the Hawaiian govenment was not legal. In 1993 the U.S. congress apologized for the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom. Which was the legitimate government of a foreign nation. It seems that the U.S. did not recognize Hawaiians rights to their own country.

      • gumnut

        So that made it ok for the japanese imperialists to bomb the crap out of them! Ha ah what a twisted world you live in.

      • Mick

        gumnut,

        “…to bomb the crap out of them!”

        Which “them” are you refering to? The American military base, the military personel in the base, the native people of Hawaii or the Hawaiian islands in general?

      • gumnut

        Mick I’m not sure they were aiming for anyone in particular, anyone who got int he way was going to cop it from the japanese air raids.

      • Mick

        gumnut,

        I believe you misunderstood my question. You asked if it was ok to “bomb the crap out of them”. In oder to give an accurate reply, I asked you who you were refering to when you said “them”.

  • Sea Cucumber

    “So Cucumber, you are also a member of the SS forum, why don’t you post here what your user name is so that i can read your posts? Or would you find the prospect of that a bit too scary? Unlike you, people are not scared for others to know that they post on other forums.”

    Imforthewhales,

    Haha – YOU should talk! You don’t post here under your SS name, now do you? You are “Imaufo” on the SS forum. Why don’t YOU post as your real forum name, eh? Come on, give me a good answer for that one. Yes, on your forum, I’m actually a Senior Member, if you can believe that! Before you accuse anyone of not posting as their main forum name, just make sure that you are not being a hypocrite, like you are right now.

    Susan Weingartner,

    You seem cool and make a lot of sense – I am digging you posting here! Now, that doesn’t mean we’re engaged or anything like that. If we were though, and Paul Watson were actually a captain, (which he’s not) he could marry us!

    Mick,

    I knew that at one point that someone from the SS forum would be playing the “1941” card – they always do. They do it whenever they feel backed into a corner, and then they come out flailing about how they’re “not racists, the Japanese are”! Imforthewhales tried calling for help on their forum, and everyone ignored him/her/whatever, despite his attempts. Now that they have, he plays the WWII card, straight from the SSCS playbook. I saw what he wrote, and I saw their lack of response – no one gives a hang what he says there, and he knows it.

    For a laugh on Monday…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA9EMQAvsJg

    By the way, I’m going to sign up Sharyn Bethune up on EHarmony, maybe she can find someone decent this time that will actually be around for her and the kids? Can’t she declare him dead after 7 years? I mean, he’s going to be in that prison for at least that long, right?

    Or, I can forward this link to her and the kids….

    http://www.writeaprisoner.com/

    Just tryin’ to help!

    • Imforthewhales

      Come on Cucumber, everyone knows who I am…its no secret…

      Ive always used this name in this forum before i joined SS?

      Come on cucmber tell us who you are on SS unless you are afraid to reveal your hidden identity?

      “I Am Furious,” Said the Whaling Fleet’s Leader Shigetoshi Nishiwaki. :)

      12 April 2010 – 10:37pm

      The Japanese whaling catch this year is the lowest it has been in a long time, and the whalers place the blame of the low catch firmly on Sea Shepherd. According to the AFP: The fleet’s catch of 507 whales was down sharply on last year’s cull of 680 and below the target of about 850, said Japan’s Fisheries Agency, which blamed a total of 31 days of harassment by the Sea Shepherd group.

      http://www.veganlifeonline.com/blogs/supervegan/i-am-furious-said-whaling-fleets-leader-shigetoshi-nishiwaki

      • Robert Beller

        You really aren’t that bright this is just more evidence to add to the mountain of evidence the Japanese will bring down upon Bethune’s cueball head. Bethune’s wife doesn’t need to worry about losing her house because she’ll need to move to Japan if she ever hopes to see her husband again. Japanese prisons don’t have regular visiting times. There are people in Japanese prison who haven’t had more than 10 minutes of visit time in 5 years. Oh and they can only visit with immediate family members when they do get a visit. All the letters of support you guys send to Bethune go straight to the trash because they only consider letters written in Japanese and those are censored to pieces. BTW, Bethune’s lawyers can’t bring him any of the support letters either the most they can do is verbally convey support.

      • imforthewhales

        Prison conditions for anti-whaling protester Pete Bethune improve with visitors allowed and better diet

        There has been a dramatic improvement in conditions for the New Zealand anti-whaling protestor being held in a Japanese jail.

        Sea Shepherd captain Peter Bethune is facing several charges relating to boarding the Shonan Maru II whaling ship in the Southern Ocean in February. His father Don says after being held in solitary confinement until about a week ago, Mr Bethune is now allowed visitors for up to 20 minutes a day.

        “He’s allowed to receive mail via his solicitor and his previous diet of just cabbage, water and rice is being supplemented.

        Mr Bethune says it appears the Japanese government is easing conditions so that it will not appear unreasonable in the world’s eyes.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Robert Beller,

    “Then along comes a racist douche like Watson to tell the Makah how to live after his white ancestors destroyed their way of life. Watson even had enough gall to try and place himself as a “spirit warrior” at Wounded Knee rendering medical aid. Of course the people that were actually involved called him a liar after his story broke.”

    OMG – I had to look that up – you weren’t joking!!!!!! Hey, wait a minute, I was there too! No wait, I wasn’t there…. I was actually the big Viking dude from “Pathfinder!”

    Imforthewhales,

    Even YOU have to admit that the whole Wounded-Knee thing was over the top. Do you really buy that load? Say it ain’t so!

  • Imforthewhales

    Why don’t u tell us the story of wounded knee grandpa cucumber…sounds like a ripping yarn!

    • Robert Beller

      Why, are you afraid Paul lied to you? Wounded Knee was another example of an evil anti-whaling nation savagely imposing it’s will on a vanquished foe.

      “Paul Waston wrote a book about one of his favorite subjects, Paul Watson. In this book he claims to have been at Wounded Knee during the seige of ’73. Even makes a few statements about events that actually happened during this time. Claims he was given a name by Wallace Black Elk during a sweat. That name was “Grey Wolf Clearwater.” Paul said that Wallace told the great Paul Watson that he was on this earth to
      save the Buffalo of the sea, aka, whales. Odd, however, no one who was actually at Wounded Knee in ’73 remembers the great Paul Watson. Now, for anyone who has been in a high stress situation such as a seige and a firefight, you are gonna remember those around you, especially someone as great as the great Paul Watson, wouldn’t you think? Why doesn’t anyone who was actually there remember him? Ward does claim that Paul could have been amongst the many folk who came and offered
      aid to those besieged but was gone within 24 hours. It is a
      possibility, but rather doubtful. Ward Churchill asked Wallace about the naming and Wallace stated that he didn’t name anyone during that seige. In fact, Wallace stated he wouldn’t have given anyone two names ever and he especially would not have named him Clearwater, considering Frank Clearwater. It would seem that again, Indians are just a tool for the great Paul Watson to agrandize the life of the great Paul Watson. Red N****** are just tools, tokens, and backdrops
      (just like whales) in the life of the great Paul Watson”.

      http://groups.google.com/group/alt.native/browse_thread/thread/273b23a78e6e31a6/a54fea828db0c791?lnk=raot&pli=1

  • Imforthewhales

    That wasn’t much of a story cucumber. Tell me what really happened.

  • http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9FD18926170ED901&search_query=earthlings Whoever…

    TO ALL THE ANTI-WHALING PEOPLE:

    Why do you keep wasting your time replying to the pro-whaling evil defenders?

    I mean, they’re not interested in the arguments and facts we present. They’re not interested in seriously debating this issue. They will not change their minds and we will not change ours.

    The only thing they’re doing (and very successfully I might add) is feeding off our energy and wasting our time. They are negative people with an extremely low level of consciousness and evolution and if you stoop down to their level they will ‘win’.

    Come on, why do you think they come to a pro-veganism/environmentalism (so far…) site if they don’t care about the environment or animals in general?

    Well, they’re either paid by the whaling industry (in this case) or they’re a bunch of pathetic, arrogant, ‘zombified’ losers with too much time on their hands… That would be like a heterosexual going to a gay site trying to convince gay people they’re wrong and that they should become heterosexual!!

    Therefore I believe it’s the first reason that makes them come to this site – their intention is to destabilize people who truly want to change this world into a better place. They’re paid to negatively affect us. And from what I can see they’re doing a pretty good job – hats off to them :(

    If all of us just ignore them, they will lose their strength and eventually go away…
    Please do not let them become stronger. I always believed veg*an people had a higher level of consciousness and evolution than other people so, come on, ignore them… all of them!

    All their arguments are false – I wonder if cannibalism is okay with them. I mean, there are cultures where they eat human flesh (including in china – human fetuses). Accordingly to some of their arguments then we should also leave these cultures alone and let them eat humans. And why don’t we go a little further? Why don’t we start eating humans all over the world? That would help end worldwide hunger and reduce human overpopulation. I like that :)

    And since they’re all in favor of eating pretty much everything, we could start by eating all these pro-whaling evil defenders… yummy :)

    Come on, open your eyes and don’t waste your precious time with these people. The time you’re wasting trying to debate with them could be better used in fighting for animal rights.

    Thank you.

    • Robert Beller

      TO ALL THE ANTI-WHALING PEOPLE:

      “Why do you keep wasting your time”

      I chalk it up to a ingrained ignorance I think it may be genetic and Watsonism is the catalyst

      As far as they know they are “saving” whales with their counter-productive ignorance. Whats wrong with you don’t you know plentiful whale species are being researched into existence? Nobody at the IWC would know that Antarctic Minke are ripe and ready to pick if it wasn’t for the decades of important whale research the Japanese have done.

      If we had to feed off your “energy” we’d look like a bunch of Ethiopian refugees. Our energy comes from our deep seated hatred of liars and obfuscator the SSCS is an unlimited supply power to the anti-ignorance campaign.

      “All their arguments are false”

      This is the main reason Watsonism is so easy to dispel you have no substance to your argument it’s all emotional pleas and unsupported supposition. We paste official links to the IWC and they are ignored or belittled for an ignorant delusion based on Watson’s lies.

      As for eating us I’ve constantly told the ignorant to “eat me” and I’m still waiting.

    • gumnut

      Come on Whoever, this is the most fun on a forum anywhere atm,
      who would have thought we could get so lucky as to get so many douchebags all lined up willing to cop it for the whalers?

      Hlarious!

      • sinktheboats

        I feel energized by Robert and to a lesser degree the cucumber and all the other bum chums.

        I’m feeling in tip top shape and my skin is glowing.

        As for eating you Robert, i have a feeling you would taste like an old leather boot. Might be all that ingrained hatred that you possess. I’m a bit worried about you in fact Roberto, all this hate cant be a good thing for one.

        I think a nice warm scented bath, rose petals and soothing music might be just the thing for you. While you are lying there in the bathtub, think some happy thoughts of peace and love. Visualize a better world that is not built on lies and corruption.

        Let all that hatred go. Watch it float out the window.

        Dry yourself off carefully and know that you are a better person. A more peaceful person. A more caring person.

        Look at yourself in the mirror Robert. Know that you are looking at a knowing person with empathy for others lives. Know that you are going to walk out that bathroom door and know that you are going to make a difference in someones life today.

      • Robert Beller

        That might work for a vegan pussy but remember, “they bath in whales blood”. If water can wash away your anger then your movement is doomed from the start. You don’t have any facts on your side all you have is easily watered down “passion”. (I guess this is why you guys don’t like baths). As for eating me I’m as supple as a baseball bat and as salty as the sea if you really need to know.

      • gumnut

        I don’t think anyone would want to eat you Roberto, so don’t worry. No-one wants to taste your salty sea.

      • sinktheboats

        I wouldn’t be telling the Japanese that you are a tasty dish Roberto, they might start sticking harpoons into ya and serving you with a bit of wasabi and soy sauce.

      • Robert Beller

        You’re right I better post that on the SSCS AU forum so no one can see it. It took you morons long enough to realize that site need to go.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Imforthewhales,

    Who am I on the SS forum? Come on, idiot – I all but spelled it out for you, but you were too stupid to pick up on the clues. I told you, I talked to Triton and Tina on YOUR forum about the trouble that the Seas Shepherds are facing, but as dumb as you are, you didn’t even think to talk with them did you? God, what an idiot! I said that you should have a chat with them because they are worried about what’s next for the Sea Shepherds, but as usual, you’re in the dark.

    You think you know more about what’s going on than they do? I think not. They have inside info – and they’re worried. You should be too. The Sea Shepherds are losing their grip on NZ. The people have spoken there, and the support for the SSCS is fading rapidly. Australia will fold next.

    People “in the know” at the SSCS already know that the threatened international court action will never happen – it’s basically lip service from the government in Australia to keep the conservation radicals at bay, while they plan their next real moves. You don’t have to believe me, but the higher-ups in the SSCS already know this and don’t want to let it bubble down to the forum barnacles like you to keep the panic at bay.

    For the last time, talk with Tina, Triton, and now Fred about this. If you still can’t figure out who I am – have Fred post a response in the thread where you quoted me asking who I am and I’ll PM you back. My guess is that you’ll immediately go screaming to the mods to have me banned but that’s OK, I have more friends there than you know!

    As far as Jane Taylor goes, maybe someone questioned why a member of the US military was not only condoning the illegal and dangerous practices of the Sea Shepherds, but also in participating in it? Hhmmmm? Could it be that there were some letters sent to the Navy Command about the fact that a former US Naval officer was taking part in these activities and associating with known racists and radicals. That would be unfortunate… if it did in fact happen! It would be a shame if it affected her military benefits! Who would do such a dastardly thing??? Just speculating!

    • TitaniumTotem

      Jane Taylor no longer has any association with the U.S. Navy and receives no benefits. As you could judge from her one season appearance, she just wasn’t cut out for the pressures of that career. Despite that, her level of competency on the bridge of that scow far and away exceeded that of the first mate…and the so-called (self proclaimed) captain who made Peter Brown first mate.

      I don’t believe Jane will be back…she’s far too capable of intelligent and independent thought to be a good match for the SSCS.

      • McC

        @TitaniumTotem

        Are you sure Jane doesn’t receive any benefits?
        Just because she, presumably as an O-type, already has a degree doesn’t mean she wasn’t eligible for MGIB (to use on a post-grad.)

        There is also the possibility of disability (10%+ is handed out like candy these days…)
        I believe VA home loans also apply to officers.

        Now whether the Navy could further affect those post-separation is another question. However, in my experience, most people who separate (including the shiny types) are still in the IRR for a number of years afterward.
        If that is the case, the CNO could indeed have some things to say about this debacle.

    • Imforthewhales

      Cucumber, you certainly paint a very convoluted picture of how to gain access to your Sea Sheperd username.

      I thought it was a pretty simple question?

      i was expecting just a simple answer.

      Now if you put two rats in a cage and send both to get the cheese at the end of the maze, who do you think the smarter rat would be ? One of them goes straight for it but the other rat goes around 6 bends. By the time he gets tot eh end the cheese is all gone.

      On a similar bent, i simply asked you what you name was. The first thing you decided to do was to call me an idiot.

      You then went into a min rant and tried to tell me how powerful your little army was and a heap of other assorted BS>

      I really had no idea that this Q was going to be so hard on you.

      As i said before cucumber, i reckon you are loads of fun, why would i want to see you banned from anywhere? You are hilarious! I just wanted to know who i was talking to over there…not that it matters all that much.

      I was expecting a simple reply to my question. I just didn’t realize you had so much to hide.

      • Sea Cucumber

        Imforthewhales,

        I asked you an equally simple question, or a couple of questions actually. Did you talk to Tina, Triton, and Fred to see why they are worried? Don’t take anyone’s word here for what is going on – but if you won’t even talk to them and find out the truth, what are YOU afraid of? They already know who I am – they could have told you that they are headed for trouble, and that hope for Pete is fading pretty fast.

        Why won’t you go to them and simply ask them? Let THEM tell you and maybe you’ll see the truth. Since you are too much of an ignorant moron to figure out who I am, even after all the clues I have given you, here it is. MAN, you are dumb!

        So you won’t listen to anyone here – OK – but why won’t you listen to your own forum Mod and Admin? You won’t even ask because you are too much in your own fantasy world.

        By the way, if you’re going to post as “Whoever”, try changing your writing style – we could tell it was you.

        Also, when did I say anything about “a powerful little army”?

        QAll I asked you to do was to verify what we have been telling you with your own people, but you’re too afraid to talk with them for a couple of reasons. The first is that you’re just a piss-ant to them – they know it and you know it. 2nd, you’re afraid that they’ll tell you what we’ve been telling you, and you can’t handle it.

        I dare you to talk with them and then come back in here and spout the same, tired rhetoric.

        Mkay

      • imforthewhales

        You could tell it was me? Thats a laugh…what would be the point? I think this is great fun! What possible reason would I post something that says I should stop?

        Perhaps you are being a bit paranoid. Do you also have the munchies?

        Now what was that you were trying to tell me ? Oh thats right you were going to tell me what your SS name was.

        Come on cucumber!

      • imforthewhales

        What are you ducking and weaving cucumber? Why don’t u answer? Surely its not that hard?

      • Robert Beller

        It’s going to be real hard now that the SSCS AU forum has collapsed under the weight of it’s own lies and ill conceived notions.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Imforthewhales,

    Who am I on the SS forum? Come on, idiot – I all but spelled it out for you, but you were too stupid to pick up on the clues. I told you, I talked to Triton and Tina on YOUR forum about the trouble that the Seas Shepherds are facing, but as dumb as you are, you didn’t even think to talk with them did you? God, what an idiot! I said that you should have a chat with them because they are worried about what’s next for the Sea Shepherds, but as usual, you’re in the dark.

    You think you know more about what’s going on than they do? I think not. They have inside info – and they’re worried. You should be too. The sea Shepherds are losing their grip on NZ. The people have spoken there, and the support for the SSCS is fading rapidly. Australia will fold next.

    People “in the know” at the SSCS already know that the threatened international court action will never happen – it’s basically lip service from the government in Australia to keep the conservation radicals at bay, while they plan their next real moves. You don’t have to believe me, but the higher-ups in the SSCS already know this and don’t want to let it bubble down to the forum barnacles like you to keep the panic at bay.

    For the last time, talk with Tina, Triton, and now Fred about this. If you still can’t figure out who I am – have Fred post a response in the thread where you quoted me asking who I am and I’ll PM you back. My guess is that you’ll immediately go screaming to the mods to have me banned but that’s OK, I have more friends there than you know!

    As far as Jane Taylor goes, maybe someone questioned why a member of the US military was not only condoning the illegal and dangerous practices of the Sea Shepherds, but also in participating in it? Hhmmmm? Could it be that there were some letters sent to the Navy Command about the fact that a former US Naval officer was taking part in these activities and associating with known racists and radicals. That would be unfortunate… if it did in fact happen! It would be a shame if it affected her military benefits!

  • Killer B

    I have a quick question really. If you are anti sea shepherd, does that automatically make you “pro whaling”? Can you be anti whaling and anti sea shepherd?

    • Robert Beller

      Sure Greenpeace hates Watson and they are anti-whaling

      • imforthewhales

        So what does that make you Robert Beller?

        Also I am interested to know about your interest in this matter, why you would bother wasting your time on here trying to defend the indefensible.

      • Killer B

        Imaufo/Imfor the whales

        Answer the question. Or are you too stupid / brainwashed?

      • imforthewhales

        what do you think?

      • Killer B

        I think you may be an idiot. But truthfully I had that figured out long before this.

        Can you be anti sea shepherd and anti whaling. Why or why not???

      • gumnut

        How can an idiot know when someone else is an idiot?

  • Mkay

    Since Imforthewhales was too stupid to figure out what was right in front of his stupid face….

    The whole situation with Pete is bogus but it still concerns me they will try to keep him in jail a long time. Like I said, not everything is going as it should be, and there is trouble ahead for the Sea Shepherds.

    Imaufo, its not BS.

  • imforthewhales

    Success: To laugh often and much, to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children, to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends, to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others, to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is to have succeeded! ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

  • tk

    Go Sea Shepherd and thank you Ecorazzi for your continued support!

  • Sea Cucumber

    Jeez – are you stupid or what, Imforthewhales? I DID post my SS name – and you’re still asking? Can’t you read English? Look a couple of messages above this one.

    I should thank you for basically proving that you are too much of a coward to go to your own people and ask the hard questions. You’d rather come in here and spout off all kinds of nonsense. Everyone else reads this and can see what a moron you are.

    By the way, I think any shred of credibility you may have had, although it wasn’t much to start with, was that whole “chinese people eat human fetus’s” thing you said.

    Pure genius!

    Mkay

    • imforthewhales

      This is a tough one for you isn’t it cucumber! Much tougher than i would have imagined.

      Come on, tell us…go on…be daring..

    • http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=9FD18926170ED901&search_query=earthlings Whoever…

      Hey asshole!!

      I’m only going to reply to you because you’re claiming I’m ‘imforthewhales’ which is absolutely ridiculous. (BTW I respect him/her, which I can’t say the same about you!)

      That only proves how stupid and ignorant you are. Maybe it’s time whoever is paying you to come here to hire someone else, because you have completely lost it.

      What a pathetic loser. Man, whales are so much more intelligent than you! Believe me that if I would ever meet you in person, your life would have no value whatsoever to me… interpret this as you wish.

      And as long as I’m at it, let me tell you that indeed there are places in china where they eat human fetuses. This was confirmed to me by someone whose family member went there on business and was actually invited to one of these places and witnessed it first hand. That person swore never to return to china again and now hates the chinese.

      The fact that you consider this to be a lie only proves your extremely low level of consciousness and evolution and your high level of ‘zombification’. ‘They’re’ playing you and you don’t even know it. The same people you’re defending would kill you without second thoughts if that served their purposes.

      Go educate yourself ignorant piece of human scum. Go find out something about the ‘Bilderberg Group’ and also watch the following:
      http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
      Maybe that will open your eyes to reality, although I believe you’re one among the millions of ‘lost cases’. I don’t think there is hope for you. You’re going down and you don’t even know it!

      Ha, ha, ha… :)
      Just wait and see.

  • imforthewhales

    Whale meat sold secretly at a sushi restaurant in Los Angeles and another in Seoul can be linked to Japanese whaling, a trade that would breach global rules on protected species, scientists say.

    Japan carries out whaling under what it says is a program of scientific research, although it does not hide the fact that the meat is later sold in Japanese shops and restaurants.

    But trading this meat is not allowed with countries that have signed provisions protecting whales under the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES).

    The allegation is made in a genetic study published on Wednesday in Biology Letters , a peer-reviewed journal by the Royal Society, Britain’s academy of sciences

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/whale-watch/trade-in-whale-meat-points-to-japan-dna-study-20100414-sd6w.html

    Its authors include activists who went undercover last year to acquire whale meat at a restaurant in Los Angeles called The Hump and another, unnamed, restaurant in the South Korean capital.

    Caught in a massive media glare and investigation by the local authorities, The Hump has since closed down.

    Its owners face up to a year in prison and a $US200,000 ($216,000) fine, and its chef a fine of up to $US100,000.

    The new study confirmed that strips of raw meat purchased at The Hump had identical DNA sequences to sei whale meat previously bought in Japan in 2007 and 2008.

    “Since the international moratorium on commercial [whale] hunting [in 1986], there has been no other known source of sei whales available commercially other than in Japan,” said lead author Scott Baker, a professor and associate director of the Marine Mammal Institute at Oregon State University.

    Thirteen whale products were also purchased on two occasions in June and September 2009 at the Seoul restaurant, the paper said.

    Four came from an Antarctic minke whale, four from a sei whale, three from a North Pacific minke, one from a fin whale and one was from a Risso’s dolphin.

    The DNA profile of the fin whale meat genetically matched meat that had been bought in Japanese markets in 2007.

    “Since the international moratorium, it has been assumed that there is no international trade in whale products,” Baker said in a press release.

    “But when products from the same whale are sold in Japan in 2007 and Korea in 2009, it suggests that international trade, though illegal, is still an issue.

    “Likewise, the Antarctic minke whale is not found in Korean waters, but it is hunted by Japan’s controversial scientific whaling programme in the Antarctic. How did it show up in a restaurant in Seoul?”

    In addition to marine biologists, the study’s authors include Louie Psihoyos, director of the Oscar-nominated documentary movie The Cove, portraying the annual killing of dolphins in a Japanese bay.

    Baker said he had filed a request to the Japanese government for access to a DNA register of caught whales in order to help genetic tracking of illegally-traded whale meat.

    Under CITES, whales are listed on Appendix 1, which means they cannot be traded internationally for commercial purposes.

    Japan, Iceland and Norway maintain “reservations” on the trading of some whales under Annex 1. However, these exceptions do not allow trading with countries that do not hold CITES “reservations”, which include South Korea and the US.

    Japan’s Fisheries Agency announced on Monday it had killed 507 whales in its latest annual hunt in Antarctica, compared with 680 last year and a target of 850.

    It blamed the fall on clashes at sea with a militant environmental group, Sea Shepherd.

    AFP

  • gumnut

    three isn’t a lot to capture on film when you have a quota of a thousand whales. I only saw one whale in that series going up a slipway so looks like i must have missed something. Glad to see yu were watching closely roberto

    Fact is the Japanese whalers run from sea sheperd which is a good thing as it all just costs them money. The Japanese are hopping mad this year.

    • Robert Beller

      I said four not three and four whales is about half the average amount of whales they catch per day and they did that in a few hours. Of course you “missed” something you’re not a fan of the show like Watson’s critics are know your enemy isn’t just a slogan with us. The Japanese aren’t “hopping” mad they are ready to prosecute. You idiots forgot Bethune the moment he was arrested and NZ never cared.

      • gumnut

        I don’t know who they are going to prosecute exactly and where is this prosecution going t take place? Even if they did, SS would welcome it with open arms.

        No-one has forgotten Pete Bethune and while his in a Japanese jail our thoughts are always with him. We hope he comes out of this sorry saga OK.

        Why would you think he has been forgotten? Perhaps it just suits your agenda to spout your hate filled ramblings.

        Let us not forget that if the Japanese had not rammed and sunk his little ship then he wouldn’t be in Japan now.

        I think all associated with SS have enough wisdom and / or life experience to know that even in the sorriest of situations there is hope for a better future. Pete Bethune is playing an important role in the pro whale movement. Maybe you don’t realize that. Maybe you don’t understand how things can change, and change quickly.

        Maybe when things go badly for you a-ll you do is scream.

        some people are just older and wiser and allow things to take their course.

  • gumnut

    MN Hope…I agree, I think Robert Bella might well be a juvenile..living in his own little hate filled fantasy world while his mummy cooks him dinner and does the washing. For some reason people like Robert Bella feel the need to stir the pot with the most hate filled rubbish and gaining attention. I don’t mind giving it to him here because it will wear him down eventually, cause him nightmares and its like a little asylum where his is held so he cannot go out and harm others. He is a good example of why people should be careful when planning a family and perhaps err on the side of caution.

    • Robert Beller

      Are you still gibbering on about how incompetent you are and how little people care about Peter Buffoon. I already told you Google Trends doesn’t see Bethune as anything but a criminal and this is only in US and Canada NZ and AU don’t even register him from his Earth Race days.

      • From MN, with hope…

        I did a search in Google Trends for Pete Bethune, and oddly enough, it said nothing about what Google thought of it. Google Trends just shows the popularity of something, not their opinion, and since there hasnt been an update on Pete in weeks (newest update today) than the popularity of the subject is down. As for Earthrace, its popularity went down after it broke the record, and it cut off after it was renamed the Ady Gil, pretty much.

        Gamnut said nothing about himself, or Pete. It was all about you, and judging by the way you took it, and the insult you tried to imply, I do believe you are as Gamnut says, an immature juvenile whose angry at the world for no in particular reason, or you certainly act like one. There are many ways to get rid of your anger, such as starting a journal, or relaxation exercises. Try it, just to flush your anger.

  • Sea Cucumber

    Hey!

    Where is Imaufo? I sent you a PM on the SS forum… Oh yeah, that’s right… They SHUT IT DOWN, didn’t they?

    What a shame – and I just told you who I was on there!

    What are you guys going to do now that the actual Sea Shepherd members think you guys on that forum are a bunch of loons and basically dis-owned you? Kind of makes you proud that the group that you so fanatically followed you realized that you’re nothing but a bunch of pests – kind of like ticks and fleas!

    Where’s AnimuX going to post all his garbage now?

    Shame…. snicker, snicker…. Really a shame though!

    Getting back to the original thread – It’s NOT about the whales! It’s about realizing that the SS forum was filed with idiots and the REAL Sea Shepherds finally figured it out.

    Hang in there UFO – someone out there cares about you! Well, maybe not!

    Lol

  • TitaniumTotem

    It would be interesting to see Season Three end with the arrests and trials of Peter Bethune and soon Paul Watson.

  • Reality sets in

    I wonder if Bethune feels 15 years of his life in a Japanese prison is worth it? I mean really…do any of you realize the hardships of a Japanese prison?

    I’m sure being a few posters more than makes up for 15 years of his life.

  • Mers H Gomaria

    On the frezer of factory ship Nishin Maru is a sticker in english that says Save the Whales keep this door closed. Those wacky Whalers