by Michael dEstries
Categories: Animals.

Okinawa’s Churaumi Aquarium was the scene of a recent jailbreak by a rogue dolphin intent on getting the f-ck out of captivity.

Sadly, while the first part of the plan was a great success, the second part (a waterslide that would send him shooting into the sea) failed to materialize.

While onlookers screamed, trainers rushed to the dolphins side, rolling him onto a matt, spraying him with water, and promising to send him back to “the cove” should he ever pull that shit again.

via Gawker

About Michael dEstries

Michael has been blogging since 2005 on issues such as sustainability, renewable energy, philanthropy, and healthy living. He regularly contributes to a slew of publications, as well as consulting with companies looking to make an impact using the web and social media. He lives in Ithaca, NY with his family on an apple farm.

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  • Mick

    @Michael d’Estries

    “Dolphin Escapes Tank, Fails To Consider Lack Of Water”

    Just more evidence that dolphins aren’t very smart.

    • georgina0912

      OY! Some people just don’t get irony.

    • Hufingraz

      Maybe he was trying to commit suicide. It is not much of a life when you think about it. Living in a tank, 100 feet wide and being forced to do tricks for humans. Especially when you were swimming freely in the ocean, living life, exploring and surfing the waves with your family and friends, every day, all day. Then one day you are horrifically rounded up, while your friends and family are being brutally killed around you, just because they do not seem as intelligent as you do. Then you get shipped off to some shithole prison and you are given a life sentence, with no possibilty of parole, for never having commited a crime. At least in an actual human prison, you have a chance at escaping. Dolphins might know that they have zero chance of escape. If I knew I was being held in prison for a crime I didn’t commit, and I had no chance of ever getting out, and someone else was making huge profits off me performing and I get nothing, then I would probably try to commit suicide too.

      • Mick

        @Hufingraz

        “Maybe he was trying to commit suicide.”

        Perhaps it was. If so, it still isn’t very smart. According to Ric o’Berry a dolphin can voluntarily cease breathing which would result in death. If this is true, that would have been a far more effective and sure way to commit suicide than leaping out of the tank.

    • Michael Raymer

      Mick, your posts are ample evidence that you’re not very smart either.

  • Kimitake Hiraoka

    Terrible camera work.

  • http://RawfoodsRetreat.com erin elizabeth

    Wow, where’s the empathy in the comments? Have we become that desensitized?

    Michael – thank you for sharing this story. It’s why I encourage everyone to go out on a sail boat and do a natural whale watching and dolphin watching tour.. NO need for this barbaric torture.

    What broke my heart was A) the little boy that went up to the dolphin immediately and B) the other dolphins all coming to see what happened.

    Mick- if someone locked you up in an underwater prison surrounded by water and you were made to perform daily, separated from your family and forced to swim naked for hours for spectators and abused (not that I’d wish that on you- even despite your callous comment) don’t you think YOU might try and escape too even if it meant being in water which you could have a nice slow drowning death? Yes I bet you would… And so would I.

    Erin

    • Kimitake Hiraoka

      Actually dolphins do stupid stuff like this all the time. They often beach themselves in huge groups – seemingly lacking the mental capacity to self-preserve.

      I believe this is natural selection in progress.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Some people are not real smart kimi…do you propose that we eat them?

        If i were to fall overboard at sea, i would rather have that dolphin help me out than you.

        So don’t start tugging yourself over this, please.

      • Cho cho ma

        Kimitake are you capabable of showing any other emotion other then hate? They often beach themselves because they are sick (usually with infections or worms). Additionally deep water dolphins and whales may not be able to see the shore until it is too late to stop.

      • Kimitake Hiraoka

        Crumpets, funnily enough I agree with you. I don’t think we should judge the sanctity of life based on intelligence. That’s why I don’t buy it when the anti-whaling types start with the “don’t kill them, they’re intelligent” nonsense. It’s all about sustainability.

        Also, your claim about rather being saved by a dolphin is a nonsense. Dolphins have limited intelligence and lack the opposable thumbs to get a proper hold of you. I would do a much better job of it.

      • georgina0912

        HEY! My dogs lacks opposable thumbs too, however, a while ago one of them stayed with me until i came back to my senses after a freak anxiety attack. He did a far better job than other humans who try to make me drink stuff “according to them” to snap out of it.

      • crumpets are yummy

        I would rather have a dolphin ( even a dumb one) that can swim any day of the week over a dumb would be japanese whaler who cant swim (comparatively) …the dolphin would be far more able at saving me from the middle of a wide open ocean any day of the week, thanks all the same kimitake.

      • AnimuX

        Except that scientific study has determined dolphins are extremely intelligent as well as other whales. In fact, dolphins in particular are now considered to be more intelligent than apes making them the second smartest creature on the planet.

        The reason this is significant in terms of hunting, is the evidence that these animals are capable of high level cognitive thinking and even emotional suffering. Some scientists have recommended dolphins be given special consideration as “non-human persons” as a result of this research. They are biologically and behaviorally observed to be highly intelligent, sentient beings.

        Pro-whaling arguments against cetacean intelligence usually boil down to brain damaged statements like, “if they is so smart why don’t they jump out of the nets, yuk yuk”.

    • Mick

      @Erin

      “…despite your callous comment”

      The only callous comments that I have seen on the subject were made by Mr. d’Estries.

      This dolphin is clearly not very smart. It’s plan of jumping out of the tank onto the ground in order to escape had no chance of success.

      • georgina0912

        Yes, he probably thought that he wanted the heck out of that tank, but i am sure that if someone had showed him the blueprint of the holding facility that is now his house, i am pretty sure him and the rest of the dolphins would be able to escape.

        Again. Irony? Sarcasm?

        Maybe. Fact is that it has been proven time and again that marine life is pretty smart. Humans who still think they are the only thinking species on the planet are nothing more than arrogant.

        FREE THE DOLPHINS!!! And away from The Cove.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “FREE THE DOLPHINS!!!”

        I agree. I would suggest you start at the nearest SEAWORLD. I personally do not approve of dolphin shows at aquariums and I see no need for them.

      • georgina0912

        YAY! We can agree on things Mick. But also whales, other marine life, and animals at zoos and circuses need to be liberated.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “But also whales, other marine life, and animals at zoos and circuses need to be liberated.”

        You best get started then. You have a lot of work ahead of you. As soon as you finish “liberating” all of those animals in the U.S. you then can begin criticizing other countries without being hypocritical.

      • georgina0912

        Why, in your opinion, am i being hypocritical? Explain.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “Why, in your opinion, am i being hypocritical? Explain”

        You are an American, correct? In my opinion it is hypocritical to criticize other countries for doing the same things that your own country is doing. In other words, “liberate” animals in your own country before worrying about other countries. On a more personal note. I believe you mentioned that you have dogs. Shouldn’t you “liberate” them? Aren’t you exploiting them and keeping them in slavery?

      • georgina0912

        Sue me for exploiting my pets.

      • David

        “Sue me for exploiting my pets.”

        Why? It is perfectly legal to own pets if you want and if anybody tries to interfere with your right then they should be prosecuted. Just like the Japanese whaling is perfectly legal.

      • georgina0912

        You are way off your target here buddy.

        First of all i am not American born, i was born in another country but yes, i became a citizen in 2007.

        Second, unless you asked me, point blank, what do i think about sea life or any other life kept in aquariums, circuses, zoos in this country or in Japan or anywhere else, i would tell you that i oppose all of that and i do not care if that includes my country of origin or yours. Keeping any animal behind bars for the sake of profit is simply immoral.

        Third, yes, i do have dogs, cats, and birds; i have nothing to hide. Had we not have pets, most likely all of them would have been destroyed. All of them (minus one) are rescues from people who found them and from Humane Societies and shelters. So Mick, is it in your opinion, a better alternative to adopting pets to just let them be euthanized and become part of the 6 million pets that are killed each year in this country for lack of good homes?

        I do not exploit or abuse them, and i certainly do not make any money of them. If anything I do anything and everything I possibly can to make sure they are good, healthy, well-fed, happy, and well: $84 for my bird doctor to tell me that my parakeet was molting and did not have a fungus, $324 just yesterday for one of my cat’s teeth cleaning and renal monitoring, $400+ a month ago for the teeth cleaning and ECG of one of my dogs, $175 a year to clean the teeth of my other dog, not to count the yearly check-ups and vaccinations they all require, and the list goes on and on.

        Tell me what part of that sounds like exploitation to you? Perhaps you can shed some light on my shameful behavior with my pets and who knows, maybe I can learn something from you, something I have never heard from anybody else.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “Tell me what part of that sounds like exploitation to you?”

        You are keeping animals captive for your own personal benefit. Just because you do not make money from them does not mean that you aren’t exploiting them. If you keep pets to keep you company, to look at or to shower your affection on; you are benefiting from their captivity.

      • georgina0912

        Is that as bad as keeping animals to them kill them and eat them? Probably the same right?

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “Is that as bad as keeping animals to them kill them and eat them? Probably the same right?”

        In some ways it’s worse. Keeping animals to kill and eat at least serves a practical and neccessary purpose.
        You are the one calling for animals to be “liberated”; not me. If you truly believe animals should not be exploited than I believe you should oppose ALL forms of exploitation.

      • http://www.ecorazzi.com Michael d'Estries

        Just some sarcasm, Mick. You really believe dolphins aren’t smart? I think the Youtube video description hits home at the sadness here:

        “Tired of entertaining stupid kids day after day this dolphin tries to escape or die trying.”

      • Mick

        @Michael d’Estries

        “You really believe dolphins aren’t smart?”

        That is incorrect. I do believe dolphins are smarter than many animals. However, I do not believe their level of intelligence raises them above the level of animals.

      • georgina0912

        How do you know that? How can anyone possibly calculate that? If according to the level of human intelligence then all animals are doomed.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “How do you know that? How can anyone possibly calculate that?”

        Simple. Animals are not able to alter their basic behavior in order to avoid obvious and recurring mortal dangers. For example, Iceland currently can only hunt Fin whales relatively close to shore. If they were to alter their behavior and swim farther out to sea they would be safe from Icelandic whalers. If the dolphins would alter their behavior and avoid the area around Taiji, were every year for hundreds of years many of their number are killed, they would be safe from the hunters. Whaling methods have remained relatively unchanged for decades. However whales have failed to devise effective counter measures to protect themselves. After hundreds of years whales are still unable to change their behavior in order to avoid aboriginal hunters using relatively primative methods.

      • georgina0912

        @ Mick – But apparently neither many humans who continuously eat red meat even though it has been linked to cancer, or continue smoking, therefore irreparably damaging their lungs, or smelling glue, or snorting i do not know…drugs. Same thing, those are things humans have been doing those things for years, decades, centuries and yet do not change. What does that tell you about human intelligence in general?

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “Same thing, those are things humans have been doing those things for years, decades, centuries and yet do not change.”

        Your example is completely different. Humans can and do change their behavior all the time. People stop smoking, go on diets and stop using drugs every day. They do not return to the same place every year knowing that they will be killed. Animals follow their natural instincts even if it means their deaths. Humans change and adapt in order to avoid mortal dangers.

      • georgina0912

        Well, i would certainly hope that if someday i am killed i will be careful enough not to return to the same place…or i will get killed again!

        You probably have absolutely zero experience with animals and have never owned a pet. Do you speak from personal experience?

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “Well, i would certainly hope that if someday i am killed i will be careful enough not to return to the same place…or i will get killed again!

        You probably have absolutely zero experience with animals and have never owned a pet. Do you speak from personal experience?”

        That’s nice. Either you were unable to understand my point or most likely, you did understand and could not make an intelligent counter-point.

        I have a great deal of experience with animals. Both domesticated and wild. I have both hunted wild animals and slaughtered domesticated animals for food. I have had many pets, as well. I have a great respect for animals and nature. Due to this long association, I know that animals are exactly that: Animals. They are not human nor should they be treated as such.

      • georgina0912

        Again, you seem incapable of understanding sarcasm so i will try to state things in the lamest terms.

        One thing i have to say to you because i am getting nowhere with you is that i have never said that animals are humans. Not sure where you got that from.

      • georgina0912

        “I have both hunted wild animals and slaughtered domesticated animals for food.”

        So our differences about how we see or understand animal intelligence probably stem from the fact that you see them all, included domestic animals, as food, as a commodity.

      • georgina0912

        And lastly Mick, you should only throw stones at me if you have no fault in whatever matter we are discussing.

        You said to me when you brought up the fact that i admitted to having dogs: “Shouldn’t you “liberate” them? Aren’t you exploiting them and keeping them in slavery?” when clearly YOU are the one who exploits your domesticated animals by raising them, killing them, and then feasting on their corpses.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “..you seem incapable of understanding sarcasm..”

        “So our differences about how we see or understand animal intelligence probably stem from the fact that you see them all, included domestic animals, as food, as a commodity.”

        I am quite capable of understanding sarcasm. Which means I was correct. You could not make a counter-argument to refute my statements, so you resorted to sarcasim. I have clearly stated why I believe animals are not as intelligent as humans. While you have provided nothing but vague rhetoric and sacastic retorts.
        Our differences about animal intelligence stem from the fact that I base my opinion on facts and personal observations while you, apparently, base your opinions on emotion and wishful thinking.

      • georgina0912

        You got me Mick, you have me all figured out.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “You got me Mick, you have me all figured out.”

        Your reply illustrates my point nicely. You did not even attempt to make a counter argument.

      • georgina0912

        Mick, honestly i do not care what you think and i seriously lack the amount of time needed to go through what you type in this blog with a fine-tooth comb to then put it into quotes to call you out for something/anything you have said.

        You and i have different opinions about what animals mean, how animals feel, and how we use them or not and that is fine, we do not have to agree. We will never get to an agreement and if it makes you feel good you can go ahead and keep saying that i cannot counter-argument and that i only provide vague rhetoric. It makes no difference to me and it changes nothing.

        Whatever the case may be, point is that i believe in what i said, that is my truth and you believe in yours; I do not have to justify anything to you or to anybody. Bottom line is: i believe animals are far more intelligent than many arrogant human beings would want to accept. Period. Take it or leave it. Don’t care either way.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “Bottom line is: i believe animals are far more intelligent than many arrogant human beings would want to accept.”

        I have no problem with that. However, I disagree with you.

      • georgina0912

        And i already said that was fine.

      • Whoever…

        Aren’t you the smart one micky boy?

        You, who don’t even understand the difference between ‘its’ and ‘it’s’ – in this context you should have used “Its plan of jumping out [...]” instead of “It’s plan [...]“.

        Open your eyes and stop being a zombie – take a good look around and tell me: do you think humans behave as an intelligent species?

        We value more a piece of green paper (dollars) than life (human an non-human), we’re destroying the only place we have to live in (Earth), some monsters rape women and children (and some even rape animals), people kill each other just because their religion or skin color are different, there is still slavery in many places around our planet, we spend more money on weapons than on solving the world problems (starvation, diseases, environmental disasters, etc.), and I could go on…

        So if you consider these attitudes the ones of an intelligent species, than we definitely live in different worlds…

      • Mick

        @Whoever

        “do you think humans behave as an intelligent species?”

        Yes I do. Humans are far more intelligent than animals. Otherwise we would not be having this conversation. If you want to believe that an animal is better and more intelligent than yourself, feel free to do so, that is your preogative.

      • georgina0912

        WRONG!

        Animals communicate amongst themselves, whales do it, dolphins do it, fish do it, wolves do it, my dogs and my cats and my birds do it. There are many forms or communication and verbally or in this case typing away are not the only ones.

        Just because we cannot understand their languages or expressions does not mean they cannot communicate, but it has been documented time and again how different species D.O. I.T.

        Also, the issue at stake is not whether animals are more intelligent than Whoever, you, me, anyone, the issue is whether they are intelligent period. Whether they can think period. Whether they can solve problems period. Whether they can use tools period. And the answer to all those is yes, yes, yes, and yes.

        Intelligent humans are the ones destroying the Amazon for oil, and intelligent humans are also to be blamed for BPs oil spill.

      • georgina0912

        Edit: i meant to say that there are many forms of communication…meh…

        See? Intelligent human.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “WRONG!

        Animals communicate amongst themselves..”

        I’m afraid you misunderstood my statement. When I said, ” Otherwise we would not be having this conversation.” I was not refering to the ability to communicate. I was saying that if animals were more intelligent than humans they would not need humans to “save” them. Amongst other things.

      • georgina0912

        I bet that if they could talk they would convince people to stop chasing after them to be turned into a steak, or a purse, or a circus clown, but just like we talk amongst ourselves they do the same amongst themselves.

        Of course they know that some humans only mean bad news. Have you ever looked into the fearful eyes of an animal raised for food? Why do you think so many animals have jumped fences or escaped off trailers on the way to the slaughterhouse? While they may be able to reason, and perhaps in terms that are completely unknown to us, they do reason, within their own capabilities.

        The problem seems to be that since they cannot reason the way humans do then they are deemed stupid, but the truth is that within our species we are just surviving, we are killing everything around us and that is not very smart.

      • Mick

        @georgina0912

        “…but just like we talk amongst ourselves they do the same amongst themselves.”

        I believe they do “talk” amongst themselves. That’s my point. They communicate with each other yet these supposedly “intelligent” beings can’t make effective plans to protect themselves from humans or work out a way to communicate with humans. Humans have to do it for them. Humans have to take action to protect them. Humans have to try to communicate with them. They are unable to do these things on their own because they are animals.

      • Boo Radley

        Only humans are ‘smart” enough to keep destroying the places where they live…the oceans, rainforests, grasslands etc. Only humans are smart enough to keep breeding beyond sustainable levels. Only humans are smart enough to take drugs knowing that some drugs can kill them. Only humans kill themselves in cars, only humans kill each other for money, only humans will drill a hole in the ocean floor and let a billion barrels of oil destroy half of the USA wetlands.

  • Donny

    free the dolphins!

  • crumpets are yummy

    If I were a dolphin in a Japanese bathtub I would be trying my best to get out as well. Who knows, you might end up as lunch!

    Free Willy.

  • don miguelo

    This looks like a job for Ace Ventura… Pet Detective.

    Seroiusly I hope the dolphin is alright, well, as much as it can be in its tiny pool-like cage.

  • IsobelaG

    This made me cry. We are far from being the only species to commit suicide. Just watching the other dolphins coming up to the glass to watch.. wow.
    Dolphins are so unbelievably smart.. They aren’t meant to be trapped like this. I don’t understand the “dumb animal” remarks. The majority of the human race is so selfish and arrogant.
    I completely agree with ‘Whoever,’

    “Open your eyes and stop being a zombie – take a good look around and tell me: do you think humans behave as an intelligent species?

    We value more a piece of green paper (dollars) than life (human an non-human), we’re destroying the only place we have to live in (Earth), some monsters rape women and children (and some even rape animals), people kill each other just because their religion or skin color are different, there is still slavery in many places around our planet, we spend more money on weapons than on solving the world problems (starvation, diseases, environmental disasters, etc.), and I could go on…

    So if you consider these attitudes the ones of an intelligent species, than we definitely live in different worlds…”

  • Gere

    ” promising to send him back to “the cove” should he ever pull that shit again.”

    Now that’s some funny shit.

  • don miguelo

    Why do all these japanese and their children want to see dolphins? Aren’t they all PROUD, PROUD dolphin hunters that totally believe, like they do for whales, that they’re only a resource and it’s just a numbers game?
    OH you mean this park promotes entertainment with them, maybe some education- and makes money? Are these the dolphins they “rescued” from The Cove? If they are then this dolphin probably had PTSD.

    And I would not call this dolphin stupid, we’re the species who race around in cars while texting about the Kardashians. Now that’s stupidity.

    • David

      Why do all these Americans and their children want to see rodeos? Aren’t they all PROUD, PROUD beef eaters that totally believe that they’re only a resource and it’s just a numbers game?

      “…we’re the species who race around in cars while texting about the Kardashians. Now that’s stupidity.”

      Don’t project your stupidity and fascination with a family of no-talent hacks with the rest of the human species. You are probably just have genetic defects that natural selection will weed out.

      • don miguelo

        Oh you learned to copy and paste, good job!
        If you had looked thru the trees to see the forest of what I was saying, you would have seen that we hear all the time from the dolphin cove-killing, pro-whaling Japanese industry PR flacks is that All Japanese are proud of that traditional Japanese heritage and all agree that they are in the right– ESPECIALLY on these ecorazzi posts! Do we hear cowboys telling the world that All Americans are that way, or do they know better and recognize that is it just them rednecks? Don’t get me wrong, however convenient that may be for you, I think Japan and the Japanese people are great, it’s just that the impression we get around the world is that they are all, as one, proud to kill whales and dolphins. Obviously we know that is not the case, but my sarcasm was too much for you up there, apparently. And to be fair, I agree with you, in that rodeos, and the beef industry are terrible, unsustainable institutions that should be stopped. No argument on that, but to say I question the mixed messages of one nation because mine is somewhat similar, is not going to get either nation anywhere. We’ll both be right, and those institutions will get no resistance. So, I shine a little spotlight with an ironic question, in the interest of change.

        I have no fascination with the Kardashians, I merely have heard their names, which apparently, so have you. And I’ve texted like 2x! Don’t assume.

      • David

        Oh you still haven’t learned what sarcasm is, too bad!

        I don’t remember anyone claim that ALL Japanese have the same opinion about anything.

        And I will assume whatever and whenever I feel like.

      • don miguelo

        Ok but to assume makes an ASS out of U and ME. (Mainly U in the last post, but as you said, you’re free to do that whenever you want, of course.)

        BTW, stating ALL Japanese believe in one thing WAS my sarcastic point– what are you high? AND I clarified I was being sarcastic (not literal) all in the interest of Change. It helps if you read what I wrote before you auto-react against it with pseudo-vindictive nonsense. I’ll just have to bring my sarcasm out to outright Dead Kennedys level for it not to be somehow misconstrued as my real opinion on future posts, my bad.

        This is only my opinion, which I am allowed to have whenever and wherever I want, FYI.

        Anyways, it is ironic to me that many countries have on 1 hand a love for animals and then on the other hand they have an industry that kills those same animals for food, sport, heli-safari, habitat, research, ignorance, etc…
        In this story, it was Japanese at some Ocean themed amusement park, which is why I wrote what I did. Not an American rodeo where a calf jumped a fence, not a bull that ran into a crowd in Spain, not a tiger getting loose at a zoo in China.
        It was a dolphin in captivity popping out of it’s cage in Japan, a country that has a govt subsidized whaling program, and villages that kill dolphins in coves.

        I thought it was interesting to note that obviously many Japanese will pay money to see dolphins in a park in light of that. Further, that they maybe even goes to prove that they may NOT ALL support mass killings of dolphins. I hope that my sarcastic take before wasn’t lost on anyone else but you, David.

      • David

        Oh crumpet haven’t you left the 3rd grade yet?

        You were being sarcastic with you ALL comment, did it ever occur that I was following up your sarcasm?

        And I thought it was interesting to note that people in many countries will pay to see animals and yet also eat those very same animals.

  • don miguelo

    Meh, didn’t occur to me, “strumpet”, as I was bored with your comments and could care less about continuing this zingerfest as I have reasonably clarified my initial comments, unless someone is intentionally misunderstanding them. In that case I am not concerned. Condescension is uglier than sarcasm, IMO.

    That aside: 3rd grade was the BOMB! Ask any 3rd grader ANYWHERE and they will tell you killing animals ANYWHERE or keeping them in cages is wrong, especially dolphins with PTSD from seeing their family members butchered to death. Ok that may not be their exact words, but at least they will be honest.

    • David

      So you know you’ve made a fool of yourself and are running away. maybe it is 2nd grade.

      And I know many 3rd graders that are already in 4H and raising animals for food. So your ‘…any 3rd grader ANYWHERE…’ comment is another fail. Just keep running.

      • don miguelo

        Case in point, condescension is uglier than sarcasm, thanks for proving that. I also think it is revealing how you cherry-pick certain lines that you can exploit, but then ignore others that you have no answers for.

        You imply that I am running because you’re points are SOOOO solid I cannot refute them. 1st, that is just funny. 2nd, you don’t control me in this “conversation”– whether I am responding or not is up to me. If you think I’m running from your 2 “gotcha” points because out of context you pulled out blanket statements I made trying to actually converse with you openly, you’ve got another thing coming. If that helps your ego think it “won” and “is on top” then that victory is all yours, my friend. I am not interested in a yelling match in which people “prove” each other wrong on sidepoints to the online audience. I was, past tense, trying to have a deeper discussion on this thread. If you need to label that as I’m running from you well then you go ahead.

        In that vein, let me address these points you say I am running from. You said: “I don’t remember anyone claim that ALL Japanese have the same opinion about anything.” in response to my
        “I think Japan and the Japanese people are great, it’s just that the impression we get around the world is that they are all, as one, proud to kill whales and dolphins.” That’s quite an exaggeration of what I said, but we’ll put that aside and clarify that what I did say was that it was an IMPRESSION, not that they ARE all proud of that. Still I will concede it could have been easily misinterpreted, so let me just say that I know there many Japanese people that love dolphins and whales. Unfortunately, they are not being represented very well with the govt-subsidized whaling program, certain villages killing dolphins in coves, and an international PR campaign, recently found to be bribing officials to change IWC votes. And for your 2nd point: “I know many 3rd graders that are already in 4H and raising animals for food. So your ‘…any 3rd grader ANYWHERE…’ comment is another fail.” –I would look at my capitalization of ANYWHERE as just trying to be overly clear to someone who is not getting it. Kids around the world love animals, and yes, many of them do hunt, farm, or otherwise utilize animals already in 3rd grade. But I ask you to find me a 3rd grader who has no love, respect, wonder, or excitement about at least 1 animal on Earth, and then you begin to see what I was driving at.

        At least you would if it didn’t mean you might lose a rung on the Illusionary Point Ladder that is online posting. Now I ask you, David, are you brave enough to do that, or will you run away? And I ask that not to make points myself, but as an honest invitation to enter a more productive discussion. Here’s to hoping…

      • David

        “But I ask you to find me a 3rd grader who has no love, respect, wonder, or excitement about at least 1 animal on Earth, and then you begin to see what I was driving at.”

        What is your point?

        You do realize someone, even a 3rd grader, can have love, respect, wonder and excitement about an animal and still eat it.

  • don miguelo

    Of course I realize that, but let’s hope they don’t eat a Dart Frog (they would die)! Children who farm and/or hunt animals absolutely can have respect for animals, sometimes more than others who have no experience with animals. No argument there. That’s not what I was saying at all. What I was saying is that respect for animals is generally a universal theme with children. If you can’t see that I don’t know how to proceed further with this discussion. I’d bet there is a cheeseburger eating, rodeo fan kid out there whose favorite animal is a tiger, and that kid cares that they are now an endangered species. There is probably a kid out there whose dad is a dolphin killing village worker, but that kid’s favorite animal is a turtle, and that kid cares about them hatching in oil in the Gulf Coast. I can only hope that makes my point more clear.