Well nickname is what was said, title of respect is what I meant. Of course you aren’t going to accept that, but millions worldwide respect the man. If you aren’t one of them, than don’t call him Captain Watson.

Look, that’s what he’s called. Get over it. He controls his crew very well, and is admired my thousands if not millions. He and his recurring crew train the volunteers best they can, but what goes on on the Bob Barker isn’t Paul’s direct fault. Look to the man who is in charge of the boat before you look to the man who is in control of both.

The thing i like is that all these pro whaler buffoons watch the show= more advertising dollars to animal planet = higher ratings= a few more dollars for oil for SS.

So by that rational David you are conforming that “whale research” is a con?

You were the one that linked the two together. Not I.

Did you or did you not say the following ( ???)

“They don’t really know how many people watch a show. There are carefully selected people who agree to have their TV monitored and based on those people they use statistics (the same way to calculate how many whales can be sustainably harvested) to estimate how many total people were watching. If you aren’t one of those people they have no way to know what you are watching.
”
You said they dont really know how many people watch the show due to these methods they use.

You said the methods were the same ( not similar but the same) as those used by the Japanese to calculate how many whales they can harpoon.

You said they don’t know how many people watch the show.

The implication ( by you) is that the methods are faulty.

Remember…you were the one who tied the two together.

If the Japanese are using inaccurate methods ( as you assert) in their “science’, then that can only mean that the science is a sham. In other words they are publishing data that is inaccurate. In other words, their whole “research whaling”is based on lies.

Should have been “testing of new drugs”

I really wish this site had an edit function.

David,the only good thing I see you and you TROLL friends is “I wish this site had a edit function” Absolutely right,so TROLLS like you and Boo could be deleted

No I don’t. But anyone who supports Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd does.

Bob, Rape of Nanking was terrorism. Japan still denies that it happens in its official textbooks. Japan has never apologized for it. (If you read every “apology” Japanever made regarding WWII/colonization of South Korea/comfort women, it’s always worded in terms of “if our country’s actions somehow caused suffering to your country, we regret that that happened.” Note the passive tense, and no actual “we apologize for our nation’s actions.”) Refusing to apologize, and at its worst, indignantly denying wrongdoing by calling your accusers racists, is pretty much supporting terrorism, isn’t it?

Now, I wouldn’t blame the Japanese people for this. After all, its only a handful who have political power who make such decisions. However, Bob says that ALL people who even support terrorism are legitimate targets for terrorism. The Japanese people are patriotic people, aren’t they? So if they support a government that continues to try to deny/support/justify terrorism, does that make them fair game for terrorism too?

Yeah they’re so good that one of them just got a 2 year prison sentence after being convicted on a number of charges including assault. And the article you’re posting a comment under is about them fund raising. You might want to work on your reading comprehension skills.

Indeed, nothing in the world is free. Such as Watson’s “services” to the Sea Shepherd Criminal Syndicate. He draws a very generous salary from the organisation – more than four times the US median salary I understand.

In fact, he’s pretty much the only person in the world getting rich from whaling in the Southern Ocean. Irony, anyone?

But keep those donations coming people. It ain’t cheap keeping the fat boy’s pie hole stuffed with meaty goodness when he’s off camera!

No seal hunt this year bob? You seem to have plenty of time on your hands.

Are you a troll bob?

David you do realize don’t you , that the japanese are operating their commercial whaling after bing held accountable for illegal actions in the Australian federal court? If they enter an Australian port guess who is going to be arrested?

Ill give yo a hint…it aint Sea Shepherd…

The japanese are due to appear in the ICJ after The federal government lodged a formal application with the International Court of Justice to challenge Japanese whaling in Antarctic waters.

Please note…it is the japanese, not SS, that will be heading to the Hague.

The Japanese commercial whalers are operating in violation of a ban on commercial whaling that has been on place since the 80′s.

The Japanese commercial whalers are involved in an embezzlement scandal reaching from the flensing deck of the Nisshin Maru, right up the chain of command to the Institute of Cetacean Research (ICR) and even into the Japanese parliament.

The Japanese are law breakers…they even refuell inside the whale sanctuary which is of course illegal.

It is the Japanese commercial whalers, not Sea Shepherd, that are due in court.

BTW…can you point out to me which particular posters here are the trolls?

Are you one of them?

Sea Shepherd, last time I looked, do not travel to Japan…unless your name is Pete and are being used as a scapegoat and have had your ship sunk by outlaw whalers.

You love whaling don’t you david?

So you are in this just for the money then David?

Most people are into things that they either love or have money coming their way out of it. That goes for most things.

What is your reason for supporting whaling if it isn’t or love nor money?

This is obviously the point but so far you have skirted my inquiry with another pro whaling insult from the handbook of pro whaling insults of which most pro whalers have a copy. Of course I realize that this is standard pro whaling practice these days so it is taken with the proverbial grain of salt.

However i would like to hear your thoughts regarding your motivations on this issue.

If it is not for love nor money, then why do you bother?

So you don’t support whaling…why are you so anti Paul Watson/ Sea Shepherd?

There has to be a reason…obviously your passion does not have anything to do with whales.

the “new boat with the twins” has actually been there since the days the vessel was known as the Westra. She has however received a re-powering since.

I thought he wanted volunteers because then he doesn’t have to worry about anybody questioning his decisions.

He did write it. I had the same reaction myself on a prior occasion but the staff at ecorazzi confirmed it was actually him.

This is not Paul Watson’s writing. In his commentary, on the SSCS web page, the average paragraph has 1-2 sentences (he is not capable of any more) and usually there is an comment that demonizes a culture.

Romika3…another epic fail…

Mick wrote:
“It appears you have forgotten the recent conviction of Pete Bethune for assult.”

Do you mean the conviction by a Japanese kangaroo court where justice is just a figment of somebody’s imagination? Do you mean the court where 99% of those brought before the court are found guilty by a court system where judges are promoted to higher positions based upon their conviction rates? Or is there some other legitimate court where Pete was convicted of assault? Surely if you are referring to the Japanese kangaroo court, you did so in jest.

Pete Bethune was a member of SS when he committed the crime of assault. He committed this crime in behalf of, with the assistance of and under the direction of SS.

@From Mn, with hope

“Yes, he was a member, but Sea Shepherd conservation Society hasn’t had any charges pressed against them. Their members have.”

So, any actions taken by members of SS are entirely their own and do not involve SS? That individual members take action on their own accord and that the SS organization plays no part in those actions?

“Sea Shepherd has had no convictions against it (for the hundredth time…) so Paul is *gasp* TELLING THE TRUTH.”

Really? Then where is the Farley Mowat? It belonged to the SSCS and Canada confiscated it for breaking the law.

Look, Sea Shepherd had everything to do with it, I know that. But was Sea Shepherd blamed? No! Pete was. Thus, Sea Shepherd has had no convictions against it, but there have been convictions against it’s members. Canada took the Farley Mowat because apparently watching the seal hunt is illegal, but Sea Shepherd didn’t get any charges pressed against it, just against Hammerstedt, and his 1st mate (I think…). See where I’m going with this? (Again…) There have been *no* convictions pressed against the Sea Shepherd *name/organization*. There *have* been convictions pressed against it’s *members.*

Yes, why aren’t they being charged?

So they just let the Canadian government confiscate their ship for no reason?

Oh for crying out loud! You ignorant little… Mick, Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has had no legal convictions against it, despite the fact that its *members* have. The only way Sea Shepherd were to be convicted, is if Sea Shepherd itself went on trial, and Sea Shepherd, as an organization, were to be convicted, than it would be a conviction against Sea Shepherd. I have no idea why you keep beating this dead horse! I’ve been saying the same thing, if not similar, for the past several posts!

@From Mn, with hope

“The only way Sea Shepherd were to be convicted, is if Sea Shepherd itself went on trial, and Sea Shepherd, as an organization, were to be convicted”

A conviction of a member of SS acting on behalf of SS, from vessels owned by SS, using equip. owned by SS and under the orders of the leadership of SS is also a conviction of the SS org. itself. In this case, pete Bethune was acting as a representative of the SS org. when he committed the assault he was convicted of. Therefore, it is a conviction of SS, as well.
Using your logic. The ELF has never committed arson and Al Queda has never killed anyone. According to you, at least.

@Whitefish

“Do you mean the conviction by a Japanese kangaroo court”

No, I mean his conviction in a court of law where testimony and evidence against him was presented. Where he had defense lawyers to defend him and present evidence in his behalf. Where a panel of 3 judges considered the evidence and found him guilty based on the evidence presented.

@Boo Radley

“Is that the same court that decided that Pete Bethune should go free?”

No, it’s the court that decided a two year suspended sentence was appropriate for his crimes.

If it was the same thing then they wouldn’t call it by two different names.

If he violates the conditions under which his sentence was suspended, then it ceases being suspended and he is liable to serve the whole sentence.

If he had gone free there wouldn’t be any conditions on his actions.

Japan has no jurisdiction over New Zealand last time I looked unless the Japanese fisheries has bought out the New Zealand government.
Last time I looked Pete was in New Zealand.

Must be quite distressing to see if you are a pro whaler.

The pro whalers were shouting for blood steak and a public execution…yet all hey got was an iced dough nut and a cup of tea.

You need to go back to school
Mick.

You do realize Petey Bafoon PLEAD guilty to some of the charges. I’m not sure in a fantasy how it works, but in the real world, in any country, a guilty plea results in a conviction 100% of the time.

Seriously are some of you people smoking dope in a Kool Ade filled bong.

The lower unit of the motor Matt tore up was gone, no prop, no prop shaft, voice over stated the casing was cracked, don’t know about the down shaft or the gear on the bottom of that. Just go and search the internet for a Mercury 150-200hp prop and tell me if you can get a USABLE prop for $59, more like $450 in the normal world.

Amy or Annie?

You seem to not be able to remember who you are.

I bet you posted that as soon as you saw it Mick.
You wouldn’t have let the chance go by to get a dig in surely?

I can just imagine you , walking from the bathroom to sit down to your computer to see Paul Watson posting on this site.

I find it hard to believe that you would have let a whole day go by without posting.

Paul Watson’s post just gave you the facts.

If you want to read misleading trollop then please just go through your bum chum romika3′s posts. Now thats what you call misleading, incorrect and false statements although they are highly amusing.

But of course, you will never admit it.

The point being, of course, is that you didn’t see the post until 24 hours after PW made his post.

As soon as you saw it, you fell over yourself and hit the keyboard.

“Even if I were Barack Obama(I’m not) I would never admit it, either.”

Because you’d be ashamed to be black?

Sorry, that was beneath me, be the racism-accusing as rebuttal tactic seems to work well for the pro-whaling crowd here.

Watson is linked to http://seashepherds.ning.com/group/sealshepherds

We have a problem with SSCS methods, they are an eco-terrorist organization, Whale Wars communicates a message to youth that violence and terror is acceptable.

“Whale Wars is separate from Sea Shepherd” no that is the comment of the week

“Sea Shepherd has no say in what does and doesn’t get into the show.”

Yeah you just keep believing that.

Whale Wars is Animal Planet’s highest rated show. You think Animal Planet would do anything to risk losing the show? If Sea Shepherd just hints that something may upset them Animal Planet will change it so fast it would make your head spin.

“Well then, tell me why Sea Shepherd would put ANYTHING that makes them look bad or incompetent in the show?”

First, because they are incompetent.

Second, because they believe and have said numerous times that any press is good press.

And finally, because if they cut out the incompetent film the show would be one thirty minute episode.

“Why is it so hard for you to accept that Sea Shepherd has NO say in what goes into Whale Wars?”

Because it is a lie. Heck in the first season a SSCS employee was also credited as a producer on the show.

I knew about the SSCS before whale wars and if it wasn’t for the show then ecorazzi wouldn’t have as many, if any, stories about them. So I guess no one would be here discussing whaling. Of course I would still be discussing it in other places that have covered the issues for well over a decade.

Has whale wars raised awareness of the issue? Of course it has. But if you read a cross section of the sites where it is discussed it seems that many people watch the show for the comedic actions of the SSCS. Also many people that have become aware of the situation because of the show have come down on the whalers side not the SSCS side.

So the anti-whalers are just to busy to post comments?

You just keep believing that.

And it isn’t just environmental related sites. I have seen opposition to the SSCS on boating sites, aviation sites, skeptic websites, comedy websites, etc.

“Why are you here on this site, one dedicated to the environment, if you like to see whales get killed, and are opposing people who are trying to protect them?”

Well I could be stupid like you imply the anti-whalers are and just go to sites that completely agree with my position and have a love fest that accomplishes nothing. Or I could go to sites with differing opinions and give those with different opinions the chance to try and change my mind while I get the chance to try and change their opinions.

Which option has a better chance to actually accomplish something?

Hmmm…that’s an interesting statement coming from someone who defends the commercial seal hunt, the largest marine mammal slaughter on earth. I’ve documented the slaughter in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland for the past four years, romika3, and it’s brutal. People like you who support that govt-subsidized slaughter are the ones sending the message that violence and terror are acceptable as long as a buck can be made. If anyone is making money off the backs of the sealers it is the fat-cats like the Barry Group and NuTan Furs, the participants taking the bulk of what little money there is and exploiting the sealers shamelessly.

For the record, the Seal Shepherd (Michael McDade) who is allegedly targeting the children of sealers is *not* affiliated with Paul Watson or Sea Shepherd in any way, shape or form. Perhaps in his own twisted little mind, but not in reality. Many people involved in animal advocacy have condemned McDade and his tactics. Perhaps you should research your statements before making them, romika3.

Sea Shepherd is indeed currently objecting to the commercial seal hunt. They haven’t documented the slaughter since 2008 since they focus on whales, but that organization still campaigns and speaks against it.

Your organization is one of 17 who profit from the Canadian seal harvest a legal, managed and sustainable harvest. A population of 2.3 million in the early 90′s now 7.5 million in 2010. Protesting the Canadian seal hunt is a great way to make a job for yourself. What about the six species of seals that are on the endangered list? No money in protecting them!!! so your and 17 other organiations will let them fad away.

We know all about Watson, we have seen him in action, we have listened to his babblings on the VHF, we have received the phone calls from his members in the middle of the night, we have been spit on, we have been demonized by him, we have read is rambling commentaries, we see know exactly he works to keep the myth alive so that him and 17 other organizations can make their millions off the backs of Canadian fishermen. You arm chair environmentalists know only what you read on the web

“Sea Shepherd doesn’t even oppose the seal hunt currently!” this is true because their is more money in Whales. Remember Watson’s interview with CBC, he stated there is more money in seals than dolphins. Watson has not changed he selects based on money making potential. SSCS is a terroist organization. They use terror to acheive their goals.

Where does the money go than? They don’t go to Canada because last time they did the Canadians took their ship, and two crew members were arrested. Sea Shepherd uses intimidation. They haven’t done any ‘ram to sink’ moves in years. Give me a link to the full CBC interview before I go further on that case. Again, citing that website? Wow. It’s already been shown that the website is useless.

Japan has the biggest quota, and the biggest fleet. They’re going after the biggest threat. As for not going after the sealers, well ships are expensive. Plus the seal hunt has been on a down turn recently.

And, for the third time, if Paul is only in it for the money than where does the money he spends on himself go?

Until you get a hold of Paul Watson s financial records David, you really don’t have much to work on.

Paul Watson has built the Sea Shepherd society from the ground up. It is his life’s work and from what I have seen this work takes up the vast amount of his time and his thinking and his money.

Obviously he doesn’t have time to become an accountant or a doctor or an astronaut. His job and his life is devoted so saving whales and other species.

People pay Paul Watson to do the work that they wish they could do themselves, while they go about their own life’s work being doctors, lawyers or fast food check out clerks.

They don’t work as doctors, lawyers and sandwich hands for free, because everyone needs money to get by.

Paul Watson is no different.

It would be good financial management to put some away from when he is no longer able to work at saving lives otherwise what happens is you end up on a pension from the government or worse living on the streets as a bum.

People work hard their whole lives to save them from that scenario. Why would you expect Paul Watson to be any different to the rest of us?

That link provided by romika3, activist cash.com, is an interesting read. It says on there that “neither fame nor fortune is really Watson’s primary motivation. He is a misanthrope who prefers porpoises to people”

So according to romika3 and his favorite link in the universe, activist cash.com, Paul Watson’s motivation is not money.

Do you think we should believe activist cash.com?

Yes, mockery. Fantastic. Just shows what kind of a person you are. But maybe I should be touched. Mockery is the finest form of flattery after all.

Yes, I believe what Sea Shepherd says. They are much more trustworthy of a source than, well, activistcash for one. I don’t look at the PETA sites, and have only been to the HSUS site a few times. I read each press release on the Sea Shepherd site cautiously. I don’t believe everything I read on there. I don’t think the Yushin Maru 3 intentionally hit the Bob Barker, for one. I think it’s possible, and the whalers were trying to intimidate the Bob Barker, but it was an accident that the stern did swing around and make contact.

Same thing…

David..you obviously need more schooling.

Tell me something…was that imitation or mockery?

So you post a link to site that is supposed to support your argument and it sounds like Sea Shepherd?

You just cant win can you Romika3?

So what is your most recent work Romika3? Are you writing about conservation issues or are you writing for Mills and Boon?

Care to share?

That would be because legally and biologically there is a difference.

Well obviously you don’t understand hypocrisy. You see you posted that “If they are losing an argument then they revert to silly name calling and other juvenile tactics.” So I was pointing out that a few hours before you posted that you had resorted to the same tactics, that is known as hypocrisy.

But cutting and pasting a random comment isn’t mockery or imitation it is just incomprehensible. But if that is what makes you happy, then be all means continue.

I feel I am doing a lot by letting as many people as possible know that Paul Watson is not a conservationist, that he is a charlatan scumbag, and their money is better spent if donated to a legitimate conservation or animal welfare group.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_gTBDFTXE0

Looking for the video now. It was up on Youtube two weeks ago. Will post the link when I find it.

That’s it? That’s your golden gem? No context, no placement, just this piece of nonsensical crap?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-Dqj4fHmM

There’s you response.

No one cares what you like. How many times does it have to be stated that the whales are their clients and no one else? The whalers don’t like SSCS methods either. And that is the point, in it’s entirety. I don’t support PETA, in fact, I have a great deal of contempt for them, so that’s how good your “judging” skills are. Maybe you should stop judging anyone. You don’t seem to be very good at it.

Your stance about SSCS just raising money for it’s own sake is nonsense. They went from one boat to three. That is money SPENT. They stepped up to protecting illegally caught Bluefin Tuna during the summer. That is money SPENT. Their operational tempo insures that they will never get the money back on the boats they have, when they go to sell them. That’s money SPENT. So, show me these treasure troves that they are hoarding.

If you really want to go after swindlers and charlatans, go after GreenPeace. Your time will be much better spent. You’re wasting your time here (and ours).

Sorry, to disappoint you but it not BS, SSCS knows that.

Romika3, please address the issue of the “common fisherman.” The center for Cetacean RESEARCH is very clear that they are neither whalers nor fisherman. They are researchers who happen to sell their “leftovers” rather than let them go to waste. So why are you implying that they are liars by repeatedly and emphatically stating that the Japanese researchers are, in fact, fisherman?

Because if they are, in fact, “whale fishermen,” then they actually would be in violation of an international convention that Japan’s government willingly joined, making their actions illegal. So it’s a good thing that they’re really researchers.

Incidentally romika, you should talk to those researchers some day. Japan’s done so much great whale research, they can probably explain to you why whales aren’t fish.

Maybe you need to get over it. When was the last time you have been on the receiving end of Watson? How many years? And what does whaling in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary have to do with Eastern Canada? I would think you would spend your time worrying more about the European Union ban on seal products and the disgust the world community is showing for such a practice. Either way, who cares? Where you think that your ramblings are going to affect the work of SSCS one iota is beyond comprehension.

They were out of fuel, the Captain/helmsman was reclining outside on deck and the footage from the Shonan Maru showed nothing more than the propwash that comes from maintaing steerage. You people that make these claims that the Ady Gil was accelerating show your woeful lack of maritime experience. A boat the size of the Ady Gil doesn’t just come to a stop because of the wave action. Plus, footage from the Ady Gil clearly shows that Pete Bethune gave no order to accelerate or to take any action whatsoever based on the location of the Shonan Maru. No one else on board, whether at the wheel or not, would have taken such unilateral action.

If you want to keep perpetuating this myth, go right ahead. No one cares. The Ady Gil is sunk, the Bob Barker is the boat that is going to get results, and Capt. Chuck Swift has shown that he is the better, gutsier and more commited seaman than the entire whaling fleet combined.

I am not connected with SSCS is any way. But, good on you for spotting that since I have directly said as much any number of times. As far as the rest of your reply….Spellcheck, punctuation in the correct spots and actually making some kind of coherent point would be helpful.

“More than 200 protected pilot whales were hacked to death with knives and sharpened hooks by fishermen who trapped them in coves on the Faroe Islands.

Disturbing images show deep gouges where whalers hacked at the animals to sever their spinal cords. Others show the bodies of unborn calves torn from their mothers’ wombs.”

“Pilot whales are classified as “strictly protected” under EU rules.The Faroes are a protectorate of Denmark and Sea Shepherd says the Danes are failing in their obligations by allowing the slaughter to continue.”

That’s what I know about the whale slaughter in the Faeroe Islands. Was there something you wanted to add?

“punk coward fishermen who needed hatchets and baseball bats to attack “vegan actors” ” Now your showing your true colours. Thats our issue, plain and simple. That is what we deal with. All supported by SSCS, PETA and HSUS.

“all these accusations” if you read carefully you will note that what as has said about Watson and SSCS is what Watson said himself.