by Michael dEstries
Categories: Film/TV
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While it was fairly safe to assume, we contacted Paul Watson of Sea Shepherd anyways looking for some confirmation. He wrote back saying,

“Yes there will be a 4th season of Whale Wars. The next campaign is Operation No Compromise and it begins December 2nd out of Hobart, Tasmania.”

With ratings this season some of the highest ever (the season three finale was the highest rated regular telecast ever for Animal Planet among key demographics), bringing back the crew of the Sea Shepherd and their fleet of anti-whaling vessels is definitely a no-brainer for the network. AP may also receive some celebrity star power in the form of actress Michelle Rodriguez; who has pledged to join the SS crew on this year’s Antarctic campaign.

Based on previous seasons, you can expect Whale Wars Season Four to splash into your living room sometime around June 2011.

About Michael dEstries

Michael has been blogging since 2005 on issues such as sustainability, renewable energy, philanthropy, and healthy living. He regularly contributes to a slew of publications, as well as consulting with companies looking to make an impact using the web and social media. He lives in Ithaca, NY with his family on an apple farm.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Remy-Chevalier/754430220 Remy Chevalier

    Let’s hope Michelle Rodriguez will spruce up the show. Although I support Sea Shepherd every chance I get, I’ve never been able to sit through an entire episode, the editing is so slow it’s like watching paint dry, I’m sorry. The warts and all approach to chronicling their efforts might be of interest to many since it’s getting good ratings, but I find too much missing that would put their battles into wider context, making their story more compeling.

    • ECOWARRIOR117

      Holy crap! Constructive criticism! Don’t see a lot of that on the internet!

      • joesolo13

        yea really. 49.9 percent say it sucks just cause they hate sea shepherd 50 love it for the opposite reason .1 dislike it because its still badly cut short from what ctually happens, like most media today.

    • ANTI CHRIST

      No need to be ‘sorry’ for being bored stupid watching the fake make believe ‘dramatic’ embarrassingly dumb stupid reality crappy show known as Whale Wars, 99% of those who can think and reason will agree with you, the other 1% are brain dead. Taking peoples money ie donations and lies from seasoned cunning old liars who are brainwashing a young and impressionable youth is a damn disgrace. Shame on you Mister Watson and your seedy sordid criminal cohorts.

  • romika3

    Whale Wars a shallow story about a group of eco-terroists running around in circles preforming tricks for the camera. All for the sake of making money for the man with the sheep on his head.

    • From MN, with hope…

      What supports your theory? There’s plenty against it. This will be the fourth year of Whale Wars, and their 8th expedition down to Antarctica. Where were the cameras then? Have they only just recently stopped caring out of the blue? What about Blue Rage? Where were those cameras? This is the question each one of you ‘Whale Wars is fake’ cheerleaders keep avoiding. I’m sick of it. In the 23 years of Sea Shepherd only three years (so far) have been filmed for TV. Sea Shepherd doesn’t decide if it gets another season on TV or not, Animal Planet does. Another thing that needs to be cleared up right now: Animal Planet and Sea Shepherd are two separate entities.

      • romika3

        Watson said it himself in a CBC interview. There is no money in dolphins only seals. Now there is money to be made on whales. There will be no Blue Rage next year because SSCS made no money. Bottom line SSCS goes where the money is. Minke whales are not endanged but what about the six species of endangered seals, what about the seal hunt in Namabia??? No money there, therefore no SSCS envolvement.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Ah yes, your little ace in the hole. You keep saying the same stuff over and over again, like you have it pre-written in a word processor, and just paste it into here. Please provide me a link so you may prove yourself further, and another one also to prove Blue Rage won’t be happening again.

        If Paul wants money, than why would he spend $5million on a new ship, refitting said ship, and then buying a helicopter, and not buy himself a new car, a few houses, and a yacht for himself. That is far from the bottom line.

      • David

        “This is the question each one of you ‘Whale Wars is fake’ cheerleaders keep avoiding.”

        Really? I seem to remember seeing it answered a number of times, but since you seem to have missed it here goes again.

        The first 4 years have plenty of film shot by SSCS themselves, just like Blue Rage. They had to generate enough interest before a TV channel would make the investment in a show based on their actions. It is know as self-promotion.

      • romika3

        ” your little ace in the hole” a typical line from a supporter of SSCS, PETA and HSUS

      • From MN, with hope…

        David, I can’t pay attention to all 200 or so comments in every thread. Yes they filmed it the first four years, but the whalers do the same: to document simple things that go about on the ships. The whalers do the same. Do they have a TV show? No. AP approached Sea Shepherd.

        Seriously David, what your views? You always seem to jump about on them.

        Romika: that does nothing other than avoid the question. Leave the Humane Society out of this, and the same with PETA! Again, you’re just repeating the same crap over and over again. Come up with something original! And how in the world is that a ‘typical line from a supporter of SSCS, PETA and HSUS’. How do you know I support HSUS? Or PETA? I hate PETA’s ads! HSUS is more about pets. If they aren’t, well that shows you what I know about the Humane Society.

        I’ve said it once, and I have a feeling I’ll have to say it a few more times: I am NOT anti-whaling because I’m pro-Sea Shepherd, I am pro-Sea Shepherd because I am anti-whaling, and Sea Shepherd are successful in diminishing the whalers catch! The whalers even blamed Sea Shepherd for their low catch this past year! Some actors…

      • http://www.ecorazzi.com Michael d'Estries

        MN, I believe Watson did in fact approach Discovery about creating “Whale Wars”. An interview with The Telegraph back in April ’09 seems to indicate as much. “In 2008 Watson persuaded the Discovery Channel to send a television crew to make a reality show documentary about his Antarctic campaign.”

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/5166346/Paul-Watson-Sea-Shepherd-eco-warrior-fighting-to-stop-whaling-and-seal-hunts.html

      • romika3

        When you talk SSCS you have to include reference to other groups as they are linked behind the “curtain”

      • From MN, with hope…

        Huh. Ya learn something new everyday. Thanks Michael! Than it’s the same idea behind Greenpeace when it was created: getting more supporters by getting attention to the issue.

        Romika, knock it off. Your evasion is ridiculous.

      • ANTI CHRIST

        No they are not. Watson and his band of rejects IS Whale Wars. Without Watson there is no Whale Wars.HE calls the shots. he is their cash cow. He is in charge. Believe it.

    • Dee

      Are you, by any chance, Japanese?

  • romika3

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_gTBDFTXE0 this is the link to Watson’s CBC interview that gives insight into how he operates and thinks. We can not release our source in SSCS that gave us the information on how much money was brought in from Blue Rage. Paul Watson already has a number of yachts and a pretty good life style. He makes his living from the SSCS. Cut and paste, not much different than making phone calls to common fishermen in eastern Canada and makeing the same threats over and over!!!!!!

    • Brendan

      Dude, that is not an insight of how Paul Watson thinks…that interview was all about him exposing how GREENPEACE thinks. Did you even listen to it?

      • romika3

        Watson started Green Peace!!!!! Listen to it again. And yes I listened to it, did you??

      • From MN, with hope…

        Yes, Paul did help found Greenpeace, but he was kicked out, and now Greenpeace far hates both Paul and Sea Shepherd. They reject everything that associates them with Paul or the SSCS.

      • romika3

        Paul was a founder of Green Peace his beliefs and values directed policies and practices of Green Peace. It doesn’t matter how long ago the interview was taped, it is still relevent as it reflects his thinking. Just like SSCS, PETA and HSUS using the white coat as its poster boy, even though they have not been hunted since 1987 (23 yrs ago)

      • From MN, with hope…

        Sure, because nothing changes in 22 years. And did you hear? NASA has almost finished their plans for a reusable space craft! That interview was Paul’s views on Greenpeace, not his motivation. Paul was one of eight. It’s ridiculous to think that Greenpeace is still influenced by Paul when Paul is their public enemy #1.

        Get your story straight: You have said multiple times Sea Shepherd is out of the sealing scene for a few years, and now you say they use the white coat as their poster boy. Get consistent!

      • romika3

        “Sea Shepherd is out of the sealing scene for a few years” great, now tell Watson to take all reference to the Canadian Seal Hunt off his web page and any references to his support on affiliated web pages.

      • From MN, with hope…

        *frustration*

        Hey, you were the one who said Sea Shepherd didn’t care about the whole sealing thing a while back, and said all references to it were taken off their site. They haven’t taken action is what I meant to say. Sea Shepherd hasn’t taken action against the sealers since ’08. They still say they want the Farley back too. Now I don’t know much on that exact subject, so I’ll leave it there. Officially they still oppose it, but don’t take action.

    • From MN, with hope…

      1978 mate. I am pretty sure that it’s lost relevance. Plus it wasn’t even about Sea Shepherd! Paul was speaking out against Greenpeace, and not for the motives of Sea Shepherd. By 1978 Sea Shepherd was already established, and working to protect whales.

    • Michael Raymer

      What a load of crap. The best romika can do is dredge up an interview from 1978 and post it as if it was taped last week. It was 32 years ago! Once again, ignorance stains credibility. And the recording is of Watson himself, speaking publicly. Where is the credit for honesty and being forthright? You guys keep trying to discredit a man who obviously has nothing to hide and does not try to distort reality. You’re not doing a very good job.

      And you can give up on the “Watsons’ lifestyle” gag. The man has spent his life in his chosen profession. Whatever he has earned for himself is his due.

      • romika3

        My response to this is posted above. Watson does distort reality. From Watson’s book Earth Force he tells his members to make up data and states that “ the nature of the mass media today is such that truth is irrelevant”. Sorry to tell you this but Paul Watson is well known for his distortions. There is no need to discredit the man as he does a good job discrediting himself.

      • georgina

        romika, how many more times are you going to quote those same words?

  • romika3

    Listen to the interview and replace the word “seals” with “whales” and guess what, there is no difference. The whale is now the money maker. The Wolffish is endangered, you don’t see anything done here do you???? Watson selects his targets based on their money making potential, uses terror, and the promotion of hate towards a culture to pull the money in.It did it to the people of Newfoundland and Labrdor, he did it towards the people of Japan, he is doing it to the people of the Faroe Islands. Run a sample of the comments presently directed towards these issues on the web and you will see the degree of hate. There are also a number of web pages (support behind the senes by SSCS and other groups) that promote hate towards the people of Newfoundland and Labrador. Is SSCS a conservation group? The answer is NO

    • From MN, with hope…

      Wow. Just wow. If they promote hate towards Japan than why are there Japanese volunteers on Sea Shepherd ships? Show me ONE piece of evidence to support your ‘SS-HATE-S’ theory from Sea Shepherd. What their supporters do is up to their supporters. There are those who get way crazy about it, and give the rest of us, and SSCS, a bad rep.

      • David

        I agree that he should produce links to support his assertion. But the ‘they have Japanese volunteers so that shows they don’t hate the Japanese’ is such a weak argument that I find it hard to believe someone would still try and use it.

      • romika3

        Seach the web and you will find plenty of “hate” based posts and as mention before ‘hate’ web pages towords the fisherpersons of Eastern Canada supported by SSCS and similar organizations. They are all linked.

      • Michael Raymer

        Now wait a minute. You made the accusation that hate was being directed towards a nationality, race or society as a whole. Now you are trying to narrow the focus and hoping no one will notice. For the record, I hate the “fisherpersons of Eastern Canada” too. I hate anyone who would club a baby seal or harpoon a whale. I hate them and hope their boats sink with all hands. I also hate anyone who fishes the ocean to depletion with no regard for the future. I despise driftnetters and bottom draggers. Does this apply to the countries that each of these particular persons come from? Of course not. It only applies to the ignorant punks that engage in these practices. And for the record, my mother was born Canadian, her side of the family is Canadian and my brother is a commercial fisherman, based in Alaska, who shares many of my views.

      • romika3

        There, we go, a perfect example of what I mean. Are you one of the individuals that randomly call the fishmen of eastern Canada threating to kill thier kids and burn their houses???

      • georgina

        Romika why don’t you limit yourself to answering the questions? You keep evading answers.

        Also, the people in the Faroe Islands slaughter whales not to feed themselves, but just for the sake of killing them during a drunken festival. They have little kids hacking pilot whales and for the sake of what? Don’t you think that is a waste if they are not going to eat them at the very least?

        Why are you so against SSCS? Why do you think what they do and what they stand for is so wrong?

      • The Infidel

        “Are you one of the individuals that randomly call the fishmen of eastern Canada threating to kill thier kids and burn their houses???”

        No, that’s Seal Shepherd. Note the little extra letter, because it’s important. His real name is Michael McDade, he’s a nutter, and he has no connection to SSCS whatsoever. Except to people who lack basic comprehensive reading skills or have convinced themselves that Paul Watson is the incarnation of everything that is wrong in their lives, perhaps.

        But we’ve gone over that several times already, haven’t we?

      • The Infidel

        BTW, who are the “Fishmen of Eastern Canada”? Sounds like something from an H.P. Lovecraft story… Ecorazzi, get a camera over there :P

      • romika3

        “Also, the people in the Faroe Islands slaughter whales not to feed themselves, but just for the sake of killing them during a drunken festival.” This is totally incorrect. The meet and blubber is shared with the community and make up a good percentage of the annual protein. This is a good example of a supporter of the SSCS that is totally miss informed about the issue.

      • The Infidel

        “The meet and blubber is shared with the community and make up a good percentage of the annual protein.”

        …not to mention the average annual mercury intake per capita, which they multiply several times over.

      • Calypso

        I don’t think they promote hate against japan, otherwise like you said why are there some on the Sea Shepards ships. It’s hate against the killing the whales. There is no way japan can convience me that this is research. As I’ve said before we had the great Jacques Cousteau who done research all the time and NEVER killed one animal. And darn sure didn’t package any to sell. We need our oceans with all it’s animals, even the sharks. And if they are not eating the meat why do they keep killing and packaging up more? Research is following them and watching them while they are alive, not seeing how they taste. I’m for the Sea Shepards, I hope to one day go to the ocean and see some whales swimming with no fear of a harpoon slamming them. And if you don’t like Whale Wars why are there so many on here bad mouthing them, just go to a site you do like.

    • Michael Raymer

      “There are also a number of web pages (support behind the senes by SSCS and other groups) that promote hate towards the people of Newfoundland and Labrador.” Supported behind the senes(sic)??? Show us proof. Don’t just make another cheesy accusation, show us proof. And, by the way, you are promoting hate towards a group of people yourself.

      • romika3

        If you want to see how SSCS and other organizations foster hate Try this for a start.

        http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=207342083448&topic=14025

        This is on the tip of the iceberg. We have experienced it all. So don’t try to call SSCS and simlar groups conservation organizations, forget it. They are terrorist organizations that employ many forms of terror. Most who give the money don’t see any of this!!!!

      • romika3

        “And, by the way, you are promoting hate towards a group of people yourself.”I have posted nothing that promotes hate towards the SSCS.

      • Michael Raymer

        That isn’t an SSCS page. Learn how to read.

        There are no comments in said article advocating hatred towards a country or region. Learn how to read.

        Paul Watson didn’t write the article. Learn how to read.

        The person writing the article seems to be Canadian. Learn how to read.

        The person writing the article seems to be a member of SEAL Shepherd, not SEA Shepherd. Learn how to read.

        Paul Watson has denounced Seal Shepherd. Learn how to research. http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/editorial-100719-1.html

      • romika3

        I din’t say Watson wrote the article. This is an example of the hate that this particular issuse generated. Begin to explore the links and then do further research you will find SSCS and it’s members linked to these. Watson is also directly involved in other organizations. We have done our research not just on SSCS but many of the other 17 organizations that ahave made millions of the Canadian seal hunt.

      • The Infidel

        Yet each time you’re asked to back up your incessant whining you only produce another strawman, and another feeble rant full of “zomg terrorism” and other assorted buzzwords. Repetition may be the key to succesful propaganda, but keys only work when you’ve figured out where the door is…

        I wonder what’ll be next, a link to the Sea Shepherd entry on activistcash.com? Always a hoot, that one… and it’s not like you have much credibility left to lose ;)

      • romika3

        “each time you’re asked to back up your incessant whining you only produce another strawman” I posted some material and links that you can begin look into. If you are at all intersted in finding out the real truth about SSCS and similar organization then do a little work and stop your empty incessant whining. You know nothing of the organization you support.

      • The Infidel

        A Facebook page about a completely unrelated organization? Yeah, I guess it’s a start. Keep trying.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Josh-Lamb/100000872581980 Josh Lamb

      Atleast they are doing something, while your sitting on your computer pushing out hate, (your reply) I see you doing the same (mine) well sir thats because im 16 and i cant do shit except go to protests.

      • romika3

        You are watching to much Whale Wars, its only a TV show, its like Wrestling, staged for the camera. Search the bonficed conservation organizations and you will find plenty of opportunity for constructive youth envolvement. Watching Whale Wars does not make you a conservationalist!!!!

      • Shelly

        keep going to the protests, it helps , every little bit does. Doesn’t matter what age you are. the fact you give a damn anough to stand up for those that can’t stand up for themselves in a human court of law. Hugs to you :)

    • Shelly

      Romika3, unless you live here and know what it is that Newfoundlanders go through ( both pro-sealer and anti-sealers) don’t talk about people you have no clue about. I live here in newfoundland and have over a decade of research to back up my knowledge and facts. Paul Watson isn’t making that much money from chasing the whalers around or trying to stop the seal wars. In fact none of his crew or even Paul himself take any pay. It’s all volunteer. The ships and crew go where the seasonal hunting begins. they can’t always be in two places at once. Mr. Watson is the Admiral of 3 ships and takes his responsibilities for all the crews, whales, seals and dolphins very seriously. He isn’t a terrorist or a friggin pirate. Not all newfoundlanders hate him or his work. He isn’t promoting hate towards any province or people. He is trying to promote awareness of the injustice done to whales, seals, dolphins and such.
      Slamming Paul to make yourself feel better is a cowardly act and slanderous. I’m just glad that Mr. Watson has better sense to ignore the verbal diarrea.
      Do more research about the good things and stop only looking for the bad in someone you don’t know personally. He isn’t the bad guy, unless you think defending other species that are being hunted to the brink of extinction is a bad thing.

      • romika3

        Shelly: Here is the big surprize. I live in Newfoundland and Labrador. You must live in St. John’s. I can’t tell where in NL as I would again have to deal with the telephone calls, threats etc. I know all about SSCS and Watson foolishness of the North East Coast and the Gulf. I have no problem with conservations groups, in fact you most likly know me as I am well known in the field. My probem is with the terroist tactics used by this group and others.

      • Michael Raymer

        “in fact you most likly know me as I am well known in the field.” Could you become well known for using spell check, answering direct questions and making a coherent point once in a while? In case you haven’t noticed, your inane and puerile rants have done nothing but drive away the people who used to come on here to support whale and seal slaughter. I haven’t seen Mick or ddpalmer in a while. cliff has surrendered the field of battle. Hell, even David and Kimitake don’t want a piece of you. Now, as someone who resents ignorance and therefore disagrees with everything you say, I should be happy with this. But you have taken the tone of these debates and strapped them to a runaway bobsled to hell. What exactly are you known for besides being a troll who dispenses erroneous information that isn’t remotely relevant to the topic at hand?

      • romika3

        Excuse my typing. Rants, call it what you want. All I have done was reflected what is out there all ready, writen by Waston, clearly visiable in their own videos etc. As for driving supporters away, I don’t think so. As for SSCS supporters the majority of SSCS supporters are armchair environmentalists looking for a way to save the world and easy way to say their doing something to make this a better place. Most will give it up when their tee shirt fads the ones with heart move on to other organizations. The weekend is here and I am off to the country to do a little moose hunting, enjoy the crisp fall air, and I might catch a view of the last of the Humpbacks on the Northeast Coast. Magnificient beasts to say the least. That is what sustainability is all about the wise use of resources through management etc. Lots of work to be done. Perhaps SSCS and Watson might figure it out some day and deal with the real species at risk not those that look nice (and are not at risk) and bring in the big bucks. I finished with this thread. You folks can fight over the price of paintings at the next SSCS art auction. Have a great weekend. PS SSCS is an eco-terrorist organization.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Michael, I hate to say it, but I miss a few of them… This was a legitimate scene of debate, and it was good! Now? Now we just have romika…

      • David

        Shelly, you are mistaken;
        “In fact none of his crew or even Paul himself take any pay. It’s all volunteer.”

        In 2007 Watson made $80,000 and SSCS spent $577,409 in total for salaries.

        In 2008 Watson made $80,000 and SSCS spent $836.371 in total for salaries.

        For some of them it is a well paying job especially when you consider that they get room and board while on a campaign.

      • Michael Raymer

        This is what I’m saying. The circus left town and left the clown behind.

      • romika3

        “The circus left town and left the clown behind.” Your being to hard on yourselves by calling yourselves clowns. Where is all the dabate that should have taken place in my absence?

      • From MN, with hope…

        romika, you are the clown. You pushed away all the good debaters on the pro-whaling side of the spectrum. Look back as you please.

      • romika3

        “romika, you are the clown.” How do you know that???

        “You pushed away all the good debaters on the pro-whaling side of the spectrum. Look back as you please” If you can’t run with big dogs then sit on the deck” That’s their choice.

      • From MN, with hope…

        I know that because we were directly talking about YOU. And you? A ‘big dog’? Someone has dreams of grandeur. You quote the same stuff over and over, and avoid every question, and jump around from ideas so much it’s ridiculous.

  • romika3

    Here are the diffent types of SSCS supporters:

    Those who watch Whale Wars, buy a tee shirt, and then try to impress thier friends by stating that they are trying to save the world. (the majority)

    Those who attend the expensive art auctions, have never seen the sea nor experienced the culture that they suppose hate, buy the tee shirt, and rub shoulders with the rest who drink wine and know nothing about what they are supporting. They love to jump on the bandwagon.

    Those who sigh up as crew to get a free joy ride, fire off tee shirt guns, throw acid, and pretend that they are doing battle.

    Those who are real conservationalists but soon learn the truth and see through the ways of the man with the sheep on his head, quit, and move on to a bonified organization and do good work.

    • georgina

      So bitter and ingnorant. Also, for someone who intertwines the words SSCS and hate in every posting you seem to know too much about SSCS supporters. Oh and by the way, you forgot to type a 5th type “of SSCS supporters:”

      E – NONE OF THE ABOVE

      • romik3

        There is no hate in the above post. Just an analysis of the clusters of people that support SSCS and similar organizations. Read one of Watson’s commentaries at http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/editorial-100203-1.html

        What do you think about his reference to the fisherpeople of Newfoundland and Labrador.That’s an example of a hate for a people. He has written lots of that stuff.

      • georgina

        So, is this the statement that bothers you so much you call it an “example of hate for a people:” “There is no other nation on the planet more associated with clubbing defenseless animals than Canada.” Is that statement not true? The Canadians that dedicate to seal clubbing baby seals are proud of that, and nowhere in the article it says that ALL Canadians engage in that. Many postings on this website from Canadians show that not 100 percent of them support the seal massacre.

        Let’s try another one, shall we? “Next month this pathetic group of sadistic pedophagophiles will troop to the ice at taxpayer expense to once again crush the skulls of helpless infant seals.” Again romika, is that not true, and also, where does it say that all Canadians do that?

        “Of course they justify their bizarre behavior in the name of culture, but then so do the cannibals of Borneo, the cock-fighters of Hawaii, or the strange men who circumcise women in Ethiopia. Anything goes it seems if you tag the words “culture” or “tradition” to it.” What do you think about that? Does that sentence alone mean that we should not oppose female genital mutilation?

        The person writing the article is a Canadian; are you Canadian romika? This person is disappointing with his own country and there us absolutely nothing wrong with that. You are using this as a way to discredit ALL SSCS supporters and you simply cannot generalize to that degree.

      • romika3

        Some of your quotes are very familiar, either pulled from some of those hate pages I referenced or perhaps you are one of those who spend you time writing and posting them. (are you the one who lives in BC and hosts your page with a company in Ottawa) By the way seals are no longer clubbed. The are shot first. There is now a three step process. The bottom line SSCS is an eco-terrorist organization, they use terroist methods to acheive their goals, they are, by the way, affiliated with many other organizations who employ similar methods. Those who support SSCS support terrorism.

      • georgina

        Dude, you asked me what are my thoughts on the link you provided. Of course “some” of those lines sound familiar to you, not only do they come from the link YOU PROVIDED, but also you probably learned them by heart to use against SSCS anytime you find a supporter and to be able to call them/us terrorists. And no, i live in the Northeast, USA and STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT.

        You asked for my opinion, i gave it to you. What do you think about that? Now i am asking for YOUR opinion, and do not deviate from my questions please.

    • The Infidel

      Oh, so now they’ve been degraded from dangerous terrorists to a bunch of ineffective fakers again?

      Stop flip-flopping. Make up your mind.

      PS. It’s “bona fide” and it doesn’t mean what you think it does.

      • romik3

        ‘degraded from dangerous terrorists to a bunch of ineffective fakers again” Many members have no understanding of the issues. They are there for other reasons. Common in many organizations but more prevelent in the SSCS. Especially since Whale Wars aired. SSCS has the stats,check them out. We received a copy of the stats a few weeks ago. The sinking of the Ady Gil (a setup by SSCS) also resulted in a significnet spike. Excuse my typing. You know what I met in my previous post.

    • From MN, with hope…

      E: Pro-Sea Shepherd because they are anti-whaling, and Sea Shepherd gets the results. I don’t care what story you’re playing with for the next two minutes, but Sea Shepherd gets the job done, and that’s what matters. Get over it.

  • romika3

    “Sea Shepherd gets the job done, and that’s what matters” using terrorist methods to meet their goals. SSCS is an eco-terrorist organization.Get over it.

    • georgina

      So, when people do not agree with you we just have to “Get over it?”
      Kind of closed a minded statement.

      • georgina

        And blind sided and narrow minded.

      • From MN, with hope…

        I used it in the context that Sea Shepherd is good at saving whales, and also in turn that I am anti-whaling before pro-Sea Shepherd. Sorry if it came out that way.

      • georgina

        Hi “From MN,” my comment was for romika3 :)

      • From MN, with hope…

        Got it. Thanks!

    • The Infidel

      I thought it was all faked for the cameras?

      Stop flip-flopping. Make up your mind.

    • From MN, with hope…

      Flip-flop, another idea.

  • morality

    Ecorazzi could really improve the quality of discussions here by banning a few bad seeds/trolls. Romika3 is obviously not interested in a bidirectional dialogue, nor forwarding the argument, nor fostering (actual) knowledge and understanding between the pro- and anti-whaling communities. He/she is here with an agenda and is selling his/her biased beliefs with ferver, blithely making any statement or argument towards that end and rejecting any information that counters it. This diminishes the intellectual quality of what would otherwise be a thoughtful and respectable community, and is not at all productive.

    This is not a proper outlet for right-wing Japanese nationalist propaganda. Try Fox News, perhaps.

    On that last point – I would love to have a real conversation about western cultural imperialism in Japan, as I agree it exists. I wish we could leave the lives of innocent cetaceans out of it. Why do _they_ have to suffer for _our_ inability to understand each other, after 55 years in this dysfunctional relationship? Romika3, you might not know this, but most of us on the American left would truly _love_ to return Okinawa to you. Empire is not our bag (which is why you don’t pledge allegiance to our flag). Handing it over would be easy to do, if only your military could stand toe-to-toe with China. But, as I understand it, this week, China is acting belligerently towards Japan, over a Chinese fisherman you’re detaining for harvesting in your waters (is that irony?), and your government is quite grateful for our military and diplomatic support?

    • romika3

      To bad but I am not Japanese. SSCS is an eco-terrorist organization. I can make a list of all there activities today and in the past the then everybody can go throught them and either say yes it is a terror tactic or it is not. Simple.

      • The Infidel

        Please do. Make that list, I mean. But make sure you copy relevant and factual information this time.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Go ahead and make the list. I encourage you to. Just try to not be biased. A hard order, I agree, but just give it a try.

    • Michael Raymer

      Don’t bother, SSCS has documented their own activities and one just has to go to their website to make up their minds. It is the whalers and sealers who are the eco-terrorists.

    • David

      “…over a Chinese fisherman you’re detaining for harvesting in your waters (is that irony?)”

      I don’t quite understand what irony you see in this situation.

      • From MN, with hope…

        It’s ironic because the Chinese fisherman was fishing in Japanese waters when Japan hunts the whales in Australian waters (Australian according to the Antarctic Treaty).

      • David

        But you are wrong it isn’t Australian waters according to the Antarctica Treaty.

        You notice that Australia didn’t even mention this issue in their ICJ case, because they know it is a false claim and the court would rule against them.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Hey, you wanted an answer, and there it is.

      • David

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  • joesolo13

    rominkia. they can be faking it for the cameras or there terrorist. they can be cowardly or they can terrorist. they cant be both, but they can and are neither. also, please give some evidence o the “sevral yatchs” pauls bought. also from the money hes paid, you have to consider how much he uses for travel, plus people do need to eat. not too mention how much he earns for sea shepherd from speaches he gives. it more then balances out.

    • David

      He has an expense account that pays for his travel on SSCS business and when he is on the SI his food is pay for by the SSCS and/or donations.

      But I posted that info to show Shelly that she was wrong and many in the SSCS get paid very well for there work. So whether it balances out or not wasn’t the point.

      And why can’t they be terrorist, cowards and fakers? I don’t see where any one description rules out any of the other descriptions.

    • Michael Raymer

      Yadda, yadda, yadda…. Trying to demonize Watson for getting a salary is a non-starter and one more example of you guys flailing about trying to start tempests in teapots. Anyone who is working for an organization for extended periods of time, let alone full time, needs to make a living somehow. Various members work for SSCS 52 weeks a year, on a number of different campaigns. The fact that some of them draw a salary is no different than any other organisation. The only people who have a problem with this are the ones that have a problem that SSCS exists in the first place. As such, their critisms are irrelevant.

      “many in the SSCS get paid very well”. Define “very well”. How much do they get paid? I would like names and exact rates of pay, since you make the accusation. Please reply promptly as you seem to have this information available.

      • romika3

        ” Trying to demonize Watson for getting a salary is a non-starter and one more example of you guys flailing about trying to start tempests in teapots.” I don’t think posting information about what Watson makes is demonizing Watson. If you want to learn about demonization of a people and a culture ask Mr. Watson who give you copies about what he wrote and said about the good fisherpeople of Newfoundland and Labrador, what some of his supportors are now saying about the good people of the Faraoe Islands.

      • Michael Raymer

        Watson didn’t write about the good fisherpeople of Newfoundland and Labrador, nor has SSCS said anything about the good people of the Faeroe Islands. The comments that were made were regarding the people who club baby seals and indiscriminantly kill pilot whales. These are not good people. These are terrible people who should be ashamed of themselves. I’m sure the aforementioned places have some very good people, but these comments have nothing to do with them.

    • AnimuX

      Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has been evaluated as a charity and received high ratings for consistently using the majority of its donations for ongoing campaigns rather than overhead (ie: rather than administrative costs & salaries).

      The accusation that activists are doing nothing but ‘profiting’ from donations without truly supporting the cause they represent is a tired but common tactic of industry fronts and antagonists out to demonize environmental organizations.

    • David

      Get a clue. Try reading all the comments and not just cherry-picking things to whinge about.

      I didn’t post the info to demonize Watson, as I already explained once but reading that would have been to difficult and taken away your reason for posting.

      I posted in reply to Shelly claiming that they, including Watson, were all volunteer and didn’t get paid. Her statement was wrong and I corrected it. Period end of sentence.

      Well I gave Watson pay rate. The Steve Irwin’s engineer mades $63,000 in 2008. If you wnat to know more then do your own research or ask the SSCS.

  • romika3

    Here is an assignment I gave my students a number of years ago (before I retired). Goto the SSCS webpage (or Youtube) and view their videos. Make a list of all the activities that you see in the videos that involve violence (ie ramming a ship, throwing projectiles, taunting (old seal protest footage ) etc. After you have completed the list make two columns next to the list one title terror the other non-terror. Look at each item and place a check under the approbriate column. Next look at each item under terror and ask this question will this be allowed in New York city for example. Then answer this question, Is the SSCS a terrorist organization and does it use terrorist tactics

    • The Infidel

      If that is how you have tought generations of students to make a critical evaluation of serious issues, then may God have mercy on us all :-/

      Oops, I think I just made a terrorist remark. Dang.

      • romika3

        Read the assignment.It is not an analysis of the issue (ie seal hunting, whale hunting etc.) it is an analysis of the kinds of behaviour exibited by the SSCS. There is a difference.

      • The Infidel

        So this supposed eco-terrorism is not a serious issue to you?

      • Michael Raymer

        So where does brutally murdering whales and seals with cruel and humane methods rate on your scale of critical evaluation? As far as I’m concerned the whalers and seal murderers are eco-terrorists and need to be stopped. And there is plenty of video evidence to support that too. And if you want to bring ship ramming into it, explain the incident where the Shonan Maru deliberately rammed the Bob Barker. Explain the use of concussion grenades. Explain the throwing of large steel nuts at the operators of the SSCS Delta boat. Explain the use of an LRAD against a helicopter while in flight. Since you are such a fan of direct answers for direct questions, I expect a point-by-point reply.

      • romika3

        “And if you want to bring ship ramming into it, explain the incident where the Shonan Maru deliberately rammed the Bob Barker. Explain the use of concussion grenades. Explain the throwing of large steel nuts at the operators of the SSCS Delta boat. Explain the use of an LRAD against a helicopter while in flight. Since you are such a fan of direct answers for direct questions, I expect a point-by-point reply” Who cast the first stone???? Who attacked first???? SSCS went south with that intent. I have video of the Bob Barker ramming the stern of a Japanese Whaling vessel, crew throwing acid, firing some kind of gun, using laser and an LRAD, dragging warps to foul props, deliberating ramming the Ady Gil into the side of a whaler to create a media issue and increase fund generation. The list goes on and on. SSCS uses terrorist tactics and someday they are going to get a big surpize. But maybe that is what Watson wants.

      • Michael Raymer

        To use your own words, “Avoid questions to much!!”

        You have video? Ooooh, way to go Secret Agent Man. I too have these videos. I got it from watching Animal Planet. And you still haven’t answered my questions.

        As far as this “big surpize”, we’re still waiting. Any idea when we might see it. It’s been a few years now and we’re getting a teensy bit antsy waiting for it.

      • romika3

        “You have video? Ooooh, way to go Secret Agent Man.” Does this have anything to do with the debate?

        “I too have these videos. I got it from watching Animal Planet” The video I refer to is comes from the same source”

      • Michael Raymer

        And AGAIN, you refuse to answer the questions. “explain the incident where the Shonan Maru deliberately rammed the Bob Barker. Explain the use of concussion grenades. Explain the throwing of large steel nuts at the operators of the SSCS Delta boat. Explain the use of an LRAD against a helicopter while in flight.” These actions, on the part of the whalers, have put lives at great risk. The throwing of rancid butter does not. The use of prop foulers does not (as we have seen time and time again…sigh). The use of a laser pointer does not. Now, ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.

    • From MN, with hope…

      You taught kids…?

      Pardon my disbelief. You seem way to immature to be one, and you avoid questions too much. Not meaning to be offensive here, just providing some constrictive criticism. I guess…

      But you can’t goo all out on what they did back then. They are much less willing to ram now than in the days of your ‘ace in the hole’ interview. Heck, they rammed Sierra so much it limped back to port with a major list. Now? I am certain that if they were to act like they did back then, than the Nisshin Maru would get a lot of dents caused by the Bob Barker and Steve Irwin. Has Sea Shepherd even made contact with the Nisshin? No! If it were 1978 than they would promptly put the Sea Shepherd II into the Nisshin Maru.

      • romika3

        Most of the comments that you folks post contain some type of personal reference towards the individul you are responding to. Typical of SSCS, PETA and HSUS members. That perhaps is a measure of your level maturity!!!!! Avoid questions to much!! Watson is a master at that isn’t he. The fact that SSCS rams less today is of no consequence. They employ terrorist tatics plain an simply. Funny nobody has come back in this thread to deny it!!!! In fact an analysis of the major of the posts here (with exception to mine and perhaps David’s show that they contain nothing to support the arguement that the SSCS IS NOT a terrorist organization. Just like Whale Wars, a show about nothing (by the way that’s from another source. Perhaps somebody can come back with a arguement. We (where I live and the fishermen I know) have been on the receiving end of how the SSCS operates. They are terrists, prove me wrong and I’ll send you some moose sausages.

      • romika3

        Oops, I should have ran a spell check.

      • The Infidel

        “They employ terrorist tatics plain an simply. Funny nobody has come back in this thread to deny it!!!!”

        They have. Quite often even. But you simply rant on and ignore that. It’s like arguing with a brick wall. A very immature brick wall, if your comments are any indication…

        Also, it is not up to us to disprove your rants. In civilized debate, the burden of proof rests upon the one who makes the statement. And because I can already see where this is heading: no, the number of times your students marked “terrorist” on your little lists does not constitute “proof”.

        By the way, you still haven’t answered my earlier question. Is Sea Shepherd’s behaviour not a serious issue to you? If they are terrorists, as you say, then I think that certainly qualifies as a serious issue, no?

      • Michael Raymer

        The Continental Army under Gen. George Washington was were considered terrorists. The framers of my county’s Declaration of Independence were considered terrorists. The Boston Teaparty was a terrorist act.

        I have no problem with SSCS being “eco-terrorists”. I concentrate of the “eco” part and the fact that they are not trying to harm people but trying to stop their activities. If the little sissies who are committing the acts of whale slaughter and seal murder have such a problem with it, they can stop.

      • romika3

        “The Continental Army under Gen. George Washington was were considered terrorists. The framers of my county’s Declaration of Independence were considered terrorists. The Boston Teaparty was a terrorist act” So you have finially admitted it,the SSCS is a terrorist organization. I knew I was right all along. By the way seals are harvested not murdered.

      • romika3

        “Is Sea Shepherd’s behaviour not a serious issue to you? If they are terrorists, as you say, then I think that certainly qualifies as a serious issue, no?” Terrorism is a serious issue, the SSCS uses terrorist tactics to acheive their goals, they therefore are classifed as an eco-terrorist organiation and this is a serious issue. SSCS is not a conservation organization (look of the def of conservation), they select issues based on the money making potential and media potential, they say on one hand they attact poachers, then the attack legal fishermen, the say the have a right to police yet they are not policemen. Prove me wrong.

      • David

        “…and the fact that they are not trying to harm people…”

        Yes, most people don’t consider having glass bottles thrown at them as an attempt to harm them. A glass bottle to the head is just a love tap right?

      • AnimuX

        Unfortunately, there is an ongoing campaign to demonize environmental activists. In some cases, the antagonists behind this campaign and others allege that an organization like Sea Shepherd that has NEVER killed or beaten up a single human being is somehow equivalent to a terrorist organization like Al Qaida, responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.

        They repeatedly make this false comparison in order to evoke an emotional response.

        However, the fact remains that Sea Shepherd has not killed nor ever threatened to kill people or take hostages to further its goals. These activists throw stink bombs instead of grenades. They shoot cameras instead of machine guns.

        I have not once read about an environmental activist ever killing human beings for environmental goals. Yet there are many examples of activists being brutally attacked and even murdered by the poachers, sealers, whalers, fishermen and governments they protest against.

        You can watch video where angry sealers punch and swing haikpiks at unarmed activists.

        You can read about people like Dian Fosey who was hacked to death by poachers for sabotaging the traps they used to kill endangered mountain gorillas.

        You can also read about photographer and activist, Fernando Pereira, who was killed in an act of state sponsored terrorism when agents of the French government set explosives and destroyed the “Rainbow Warrior” to stop Greenpeace from protesting against nuclear bomb tests.

        Not to mention video of the Shonan Maru No. 2 changing course to collide with the Ady Gil, nearly killing 6 activists in the process.

        And don’t forget about Jenny May, strangled by Russian dolphin traffickers with her own belt, and Jane Tipson, another activist against the dolphin trade, who was shot in the neck at close range in St. Lucia.

        It seems the real criminals and violent terrorists are those who engage in environmentally destructive activities that are deservedly and internationally protested.

      • romika3

        “But you simply rant on and ignore that. It’s like arguing with a brick wall.” You haven’t put any arguements forward. Lets see them. Write them up, spell check them and post them. Show me that SSCS is NOT an eco-terrorist organization. Cut the personal comments, that is a technique used when an individual is cornered and has no arguement worth presenting so they attack the individual. It is one of the forms of propoganda.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Personal reference? How can I have a personal reference, I’m further from the ocean than almost anyone on here! And stop grouping us with HSUS and PETA! I’m not a big supporter of either! And avoiding questions? I do MY best to address each question. I scroll back and forth between the post and the reply box. We don’t deny it because you are one of the worst debaters we have ever seen. You change ideas more than your body exchanges c02 for oxygen. I’ve addressed the terrorist vs direct action before, and in the end it came to which person was assessing the material. Sea Shepherd isn’t banned from anywhere, for one. Man, you sealers hold grudges. It’s been years since they were last there.

  • romika3

    “Also, it is not up to us to disprove your rants. In civilized debate, the burden of proof rests upon the one who makes the statement” Sorry, but this does not cut the cheese, it is the easy way out!!!!

    “And because I can already see where this is heading: no, the number of times your students marked “terrorist” on your little lists does not constitute “proof”.” Do the assigment, it is based on a visual analysis. Look at the video, examine values (social, you own, etc) and make the check mark then answer the question. Better still do the same thing with one of the many reptuable conservation organizations and then contrast. Perhaps then you will understand why we have no respect for the likes of the SSCS.

    If you want to do something intersting look at how the methods employed by SSCS, PETA and HSUS against the seal hunt, whaleing (Japan and Faroea) may have, or perhaps have lengthen the timeline to change becasue people have “pride” the dig their heals in when confronted with Watson’s approach. SSCS most likely has done more damage than good to conservation efforts in these sectors. Infact I believe there is a paper available on that topic

    • romika3

      “Bullshit. You continue to falsely accuse activists of terrorism who have never killed or threatened to kill a single human being” Did I falsely accuse SSCS of terrorism. Look at the video and their methods then you answer the question. Look up the def. of terorism. One does not have to be kill to be a terrorist. Treats, tresspass, throwing acid, ramming, dragging warps, posting untruths, and treats to kill, burn and skin the children of Newfoundland fishermen, taunting sealers, spitting on fishermen all fall under the umbrella of terrorism. And this “Bull—t” word what is that???

  • romika3

    “an organization like Sea Shepherd that has NEVER killed or beaten up a single human being” Sorry but this does not justify their methods. The fact that your organiztion did not kill someone (SSCS injured people)does not give you license to us the methods the use.

    “They repeatedly make this false comparison in order to evoke an emotional response” SSCS uses the white coat, the term baby etc to envoke an emotional response and bring in the dollars

    “However, the fact remains that Sea Shepherd has not killed nor ever threatened to kill people or take hostages to further its goals. These activists throw stink bombs instead of grenades. They shoot cameras instead of machine guns.” SSCS members and affilates have threatened to kill, burn boats, skin the children of fishermen etc.

    “You can watch video where angry sealers punch and swing haikpiks at unarmed activists” I know for a fact that that was set up, the sealers were provoked and the video selectively edited to create an impression of a confortation that was bigger than it was.

    You can read about people like Dian Fosey who was hacked to death by poachers for sabotaging the traps they used to kill endangered mountain gorillas.

    “Not to mention video of the Shonan Maru No. 2 changing course to collide with the Ady Gil, nearly killing 6 activists in the process” What about the video that shows the BB changing course and ramming the stern of the whaling ship

    “It seems the real criminals and violent terrorists are those who engage in environmentally destructive activities that are deservedly and internationally protested.” The Canadian seal hunt is not environmentally distructive, it is sustainable, the harp seal is not endangered, the population has grown from 2.5 million in 1997 to 7.5 million in 2010, it is legal, it is monitored and it is managed, seals are no longer clubbed. Yet SSCS and 17 other organizations work hard to keep the myths alive and suck millions of dollars out of the pockets of individuals who no nothing about the issue.

    • AnimuX

      Valmir Mota de Oliveira, shot and killed during a protest against GMO crops.

      Bartolomeu Morais da Silva, opposed illegal logging and land seizure, kidnapped, tortured, shot (12 times) to death after his legs were broken.

      David “Gypsy” Chain, crushed by a felled tree which was purposely cut by irate loggers in order to fall in the direction of protesters.

      Dr. Karel Van Noppen, assassinated after exposing mafia connections to the meat industry in Belgium.

      Jill Phipps, crushed to death under a truck transporting veal that refused to stop for a crowd of protesters.

      Tom Worby run over and killed by a fox hunter who made good on previous threats and drove a vehicle into a group of protesters.

      Chico Mendes, gunned down by a rancher for protesting destruction of the Amazon.

      Once again, it seems the real criminals and violent terrorists are those who engage in environmentally destructive activities that are deservedly and internationally protested.

      • romika3

        You are using a technique where you are attempting to deflect the issue. The issue is that the SSCS is an eco-terrorist organization and uses terrorist methods to acheive their goals. What is different is that SSCS has focused on issues that are not conservation issues. The seal hunt was legal and is sustainable, pilot whales are not endangered and the harvest by the people of the Faroe Islands is managed, monitored and regulated. The minke whale is not endangered in the south ocean (rarely mentioned by Watson as the main species harvested. But that’s where the money is!!!!

      • AnimuX

        Bullshit. You continue to falsely accuse activists of terrorism who have never killed or threatened to kill a single human being.

        If you wanted to object to specific tactics you could easily do so. Instead you’ve decided to carry on and on and on with this pathetic and false claim of “terrorism”.

        The fact is that environmental activists (including Sea Shepherd) are not out to kill or harm people.

        Terrorists, like the murderers responsible for killing so many activists, in fact kill people and justify the action as a means to an end whether it be business, religion or political interests.

      • AnimuX

        Ramiro Rivera and Dora Alicia Recinos Sorto were killed for protesting against a mining operation. Alicia was 8 months pregnant when she was shot to death in front of her 2-year old child.

        Environmental activists Heraldo Zúñiga and Roger Iván Cartagena, were killed “execution style” for protesting illegal logging by men in police uniforms (shot 40 times while standing against a wall).

        Kenule “Ken” Beeson Saro Wiwa was executed by his own corrupt government for protesting waste dumping by the oil industry in Nigeria.

        Should I look up more? Has anyone produced a comprehensive list of environmental activists who were violently killed as a result of their protest?

        I challenge you to NAME ONE person ever killed by an environmental activist. So far I’ve been unable to find any and I’m very interested in whether this has ever happened.

      • romika3

        “Bullshit. You continue to falsely accuse activists of terrorism who have never killed or threatened to kill a single human being” Did I falsely accuse SSCS of terrorism. Look at the video and their methods then you answer the question. Look up the def. of terorism. One does not have to be kill to be a terrorist. Treats, tresspass, throwing acid, ramming, dragging warps, posting untruths, and treats to kill, burn and skin the children of Newfoundland fishermen, taunting sealers, spitting on fishermen all fall under the umbrella of terrorism. And this “Bull—t” word what is that???

      • romika3

        “I challenge you to NAME ONE person ever killed by an environmental activist. So far I’ve been unable to find any and I’m very interested in whether this has ever happened.” Sorry but this has nothing to do with the topic of discussion. Show me proof that SSCS is NOT a terrorist organization and does not use terrorist tactics. You can be an activist wouldout using the tactics that SSCS uses.

      • AnimuX

        Exactly what I thought. You’re just out to demonize Sea Shepherd and environmental activism in general with the same tired and pathetic routine.

        I listed more than a dozen examples of activists actually MURDERED AND ASSAULTED by poachers, hunters and employees of various industries and all you’ve got is an emotional word and a complaint about stink bombs.

      • The Infidel

        “Show me proof that SSCS is NOT a terrorist organization and does not use terrorist tactics.”

        Stop weaseling and show us proof that it is, instead of demanding that we disprove every vague accusation you manage to pull out of your ass.

        Proof, romika3. Not the same old fallacies (most of which have already been discussed to death earlier) and personal opinions on endless repeat. Proof.

  • romika3

    “Sea Shepherd that has NEVER killed or beaten up a single human being is somehow equivalent to a terrorist organization like Al Qaida, responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.” Sorry, but there is no statement in this thread that states that SSCS is equivalent to Al Qaida. What is being said is that SSCS uses terrorist tactics to acheive their goals, nothing more. These tactics are available for all to see on Facebook, SSCS homepage and on other sites. Upon viewing these individuals can make up thier own mind. I have made up mine.

  • romika3

    “Exactly what I thought. You’re just out to demonize Sea Shepherd and environmental activism in general with the same tired and pathetic routine” Sorry, but no where in this tread did I say I was out to demonize environmental activism. The issue here is the SSCS and it terror tactics. You posted the list of murdered activtists. Buy doing so you are attempting to make what SSCS does look trivial. This is a common propoganda technique. What I would like to see is somebody posting a argument that supports Watson’s methods as opposed to methods employed by most other conservation groups who by the way get the job done and tend to work with “people” to bring about change rather than attacking and demonizing them. The fisherpeople of Eastern Canada have taken alot from SSCS and their affiliated groups and continue to do so. I think we have a right to speak against the likes of the SSCS.

    • AnimuX

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  • romika3

    Here is my last post on this thread as I notice that some individuals are becoming hostile. When dealing with conservation issues that are rooted in a people’s culture and heritage (i.e. the seal hunt, whale harvesting in the Faeroe Islands, Japan etc) the wrong way to approach the issue is to attack the people (physically, demonizing, using terror etc). As mentioned in past posts what this does is set the clock back, brings forth cultural pride and causes a people dig in their heals. For this reason alone the fisherpeople of Newfoundland and Labrador will never yield to the demands from SSCS, PETA, HSUS etc. I don’t expect the fisherpeople of Japan and the Faeroe Islands to yield either.

    The approach that should be taken is to first understand the people and the culture, to educate, and to work with them not against them. An example that I have been involved in is the spotted wolf fish. These fish are on the endangered list. Caught in nets and pots fishermen would kill them and then throw them back. Now through a program of education and participated fishermen now understand the important role that wolf fish play in the ecosystem and release them alive after collecting data.

    The SSCS will never take this approach as the organization thrives on the attack, the violence, and the “stir” it causes in the media. In fact this approach is the easy way out and requires litter real work to resolve the issue at hand. This approach creates interest and the money flows and SSCS can spend the big bucks on boats (that they send to the bottom) fuel etc but make no real contribution to dealing with the issues. Saying you saved 200 whales, 300 tuna means nothing because the organization has done nothing to bring about real long term change.

    Perhaps in the beginning SSCS may have had aspirations (althought I doubt it) but now their whole focus is on the money and performing for the cameras and bolstering ratings. What an embarrassment to the conservation movement. I see them and their leader has a shallow and opportunistic organization dancing and prancing from one issue to another. They didn’t do much here on the east coast of Canada other than plant the seeds of hate towards hard working fisherpersons. That hate continues today. They are not here now dancing and prancing across the ice trying to get fishermen to take a swing at them because now there is more money in whales than seals!! That also tells alot about the organization.

    • Michael Raymer

      If there is any hostility it is caused by you making accusations without proof, you stating that the other posters on this thread won’t address questions while you yourself have a history of avoidance on this and every other thread you are on. You make blanket claims regarding hatred towards nationalities, societies and demographics which are without foundation. You repeatedly make claims that SSCS threatens peoples children without offering one shred of proof. You complain about violence directed toward the whaling fleet while taking no effort to explain the violent and life threatening acts committed by the whaling fleet. You continually disregard the violence that has been documented by the sealers against unarmed protesters, while making spurious claims against said protesters.

      It is not “hostility” that you generate. It is frustration that is bred by your ignorance and your unwillingness to engage in two-sided debate. You commit libel and slander then wonder at the negative responses that you receive. This is what you litter this site with. And I say again my earlier assertion that you have only accomplished in driving away your own support. As recently as 6 months ago there were many pro-whaling and pro-sealing supporters who posted here on a regular basis. They no longer come here. And it isn’t because of me or Georgina or Infidel, AnimuX, cho, or imforthewhales. It’s because of you. They don’t want to be associated with you and your ridiculous claims. And so, the debate suffers. So be it.

      SSCS will continue to act in whatever manner they see fit. Watson will make his decisions and they will be carried out. You and your allegations will do not-one-single-thing to stop them. And sooner or later people will simply get tired of that annoying kid in the corner who simply likes the sound of his own voice. Maybe I should be thanking you. You have accomplished what I could not. You drove the pro-whalers, pro-sealers and other eco-Nazis off of Ecorazzi.

      • romika3

        You have said nothing to support the statment that the SSCS is not an eco-terrorist orgainzation. There is lots of proof that they are, just re-read the posts, begin by checking out some of the links and do the little assignment I posted. You ahave dodged the question again.

      • Michael Raymer

        And so have you.

    • AnimuX

      Funny that this guy representing a violent industry that is internationally despised, full of men who have blatantly attacked unarmed activists with their fists and haikpiks, comes here and tries to say Sea Shepherd and other environmental groups are violent.

      It’s the same nonsense bogus accusation repeated again and again in an attempt to demonize activists for simply opposing bloody livelihoods like clubbing baby seals to death by the thousands for the fashion industry.

      Not ONCE has Sea Shepherd ever attempted to physically harm or kill a single human being. They don’t target or “terrorize” anybody.

      But we can find plenty of examples where people like sealers, whalers, poachers, miners, loggers and government agents have attacked, physically harmed and even murdered activists (some listed in previous posts on this thread).

      Sealers physically beat baby animals to death, sometimes in their haste to quickly gather more pelts they skin these animals alive. We’ve seen them attack unarmed activists on multiple occasions in documented cases.

      And they call Sea Shepherd violent for documenting and calling for boycotts or getting rammed by the Canadian Coast Guard for supposedly getting “too close” to the sealers.

      What a load of garbage. The sealing industry is despised because it is a despicable practice to brutally beat baby animals to death. The products of these hunts are completely devoid of necessity and morally indefensible with the potential exception of people who actually live off of the land (native Inuit) as opposed to scumbags who just want a government subsidized paycheck to make coats, hats and other luxury item crap.

      If these killers beat puppies and kittens to death in Canada they’d get thrown in prison but for some unexplainable reason the Canadian government enjoys it when these people beat in the skulls of baby seals.

      He calls Sea Shepherd violent and can’t find ONE name of any person ever beaten or killed by Sea Shepherd or any other environmental group.

      • Michael Raymer

        Well, I posted it, read it, thought about it, went and watched a couple Christina Aguilera videos to clear my mind, came back here, read it again, thought about it some more and I have decided: If SSCS are going to be called eco-terrorists then whalers and sealers are henceforth going to be referred to as Eco-Nazis. Ta-da! The practices conducted by these people is Eco-Nazism and that is how I will refer to it. This histrionic name-calling crap works both ways. And if romika wants to play Josef Goebbels, be my guest.

      • romika3

        “sealers are henceforth going to be referred to as Eco-Nazis. Ta-da!” this is shallow comment and not an arguement to support the use of terrorist tactics by the SSCS. I can assume that you therefore have no arguement to put forward. Next please.

      • Michael Raymer

        The Nazis of the 1930′s and 1940′s regarded the various resistance groups (French, Dutch, etc) as terrorist groups. But, coming from Nazis, this objection is laughable. The allegations of those who thrive on brutality carry no weight. You claim that SSCS are terrorists? Who cares? Do something about it. Your incessant whining changes nothing. Your insistance on name-calling changes nothing.

      • romika3

        On another note, placing hardworking fisherpersons in the same league has the Nazis sheds light on you (an avid support of SSCS). So these are the kind of people Watson recruits to fight his battles. Now I know why they employ violence and terror against fisherpersons.

        I read somewhere that Watson has a seething hatred of the people whose livelihood he threatens. He’s an elitist who, despite his upbringing among maritime fishermen, has no sympathy for those who make their living from the ocean. You and the likes of you are his perfect puppets.

      • romika3

        “Your insistance on name-calling changes nothing” I beleive you are in error here. If you review all the posts it seems to be you and a few others that are the name callers here. Referring to the SSCS a terrorist organization is not name calling.

      • Michael Raymer

        Make up your own definitions as you go. We all see it for what it is. Again, this is why anyone who might have previously supported you won’t come within ten yards of you anymore. And in case you haven’t noticed, you’re not convincing anyone.

      • romika3

        “Make up your own definitions as you go. We all see it for what it is. Again, this is why anyone who might have previously supported you won’t come within ten yards of you anymore. And in case you haven’t noticed, you’re not convincing anyone.”

        Again this comment is not directed to the discussion at hand, but rather at me. You folks are throwing a lot of “potatoes” but what about the “meat” of the arguement. It is beginning to look like I have won and I am right in saying that SSCS is a terrorist organization.

      • Michael Raymer

        The replies to your slander are abundant and plainly visible. You simply choose not to see them. Just scroll up through this thread and all the answers to your absurd allegations are there. But, you do not reciprocate. I as well as others have directed questions and interogatories directly to you which you simply ignore. You think that we have to explain SSCS to you. And we have. But you do not explain to us how whalers and sealers are not Eco-Nazis. You refuse to account for the violence committed by the people you claim to support. You have not responded to my request for a reply dated: September 28, 2010 at 6:03 pm. Just like your pro-sealing and pro-whaling buddies, you are guilty of what you accuse others of.

  • romika3

    The seal hunt is a harvest that is in full view of the public and has always provided good ‘pickens” for SSCS, PETA and the HSUS. Seals are now requred to be shot, since when did the Canada goverment subsidize the paychecks of fishermen, the term baby is not the biological terms for young seals, sealers don’t attack activists (you should know the story behind that particular set up by SSCS) You are still workng hard to keep the myths alive.

    The SSCS is a terrorist organization that uses terroist tactics to achieve their goals. To see them in action to the SSCS web page, Youtube, watch whale wars, or go a variety of sites that post “hate” towards the fishermen of eastern Canada. Use this to make you your own mind. It is there in full view just like the seal harvest. I made up my mind, what about yours. Is not this a debate? If it is then both sides present an arguement. I have yet to read any post that supports the violent ways of the SSCS.

    • AnimuX

      You continue making the same tired pathetic accusations and continue FALSELY comparing an environmental organization that has never beaten or killed a single human being to violent terrorist groups responsible for killing thousands of innocent people.

      There is plenty of “seal hunt” video revealing shot but still living seals struggling and bleeding on the ice while a thug gingerly walks over with a haikpik to “club” in the baby animal’s skull or drag it -still writhing- alive, by its hooked head, to the boat.

      I advise anybody interested in learning more about the violent and completely unnecessary commercial Canadian seal hunt look up some of this video footage and see exactly how scumbag sealers make a few dollars on the side.

      • romika3

        I advise anybody interested in learning more about the violent and completely unnecessary terrorist tactis of the SSCS to look up some of the video footage and see exactly how SSCS makes millioins of dollars on the backs of fishermen.

      • AnimuX

        You can clearly see that Sea Shepherd uses its donations for campaigns aimed at protecting the oceans from environmentally destructive and morally indefensible exploitative industries.

        Sea Shepherd has received high ratings as a charity organization for putting most of its funding toward its campaigns rather than for overhead (ie: very little for administrative costs and salaries).

        Any accusations of “terrorism” are nothing more than attempts by industry fronts and antagonists to demonize environmental activists with lies and exaggerations.

  • romika3

    “see exactly how scumbag sealers make a few dollars on the side” you know nothing about fishing. The annual seal hunt is part of an annual fishing cycle that includes, seal, crab, turbot, cod and a fall crab harvest. The seal harvest is not an independent, on the side, pocket money generator. I get the impression ythat what you know about the seal harvest comes from the webpages of the groups that oppose it. This information is on sided. As I mentioned early you really have to have a “bigger picture” of the issue before you speak.

    • AnimuX

      The annual seal hunt is nothing but a drunken orgy of blood lust where Canadian thugs beat thousands of baby animals to death on the ice for the fashion industry. If they beat kittens or puppies to death they’d be thrown in prison but for some reason the Canadian government enjoys watching these men torture and slaughter baby seals despite the fact that the majority of Canadian people actually oppose the hunt.

  • romika3

    “explain the incident where the Shonan Maru deliberately rammed the Bob Barker” see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LMZY40dKRY&feature=fvsr beginning at 27 sec.

    “Explain the use ofconcussion grenades.” They were under attack by SSCS and have the right to defend themselves.

    “Explain the throwing of large steel nuts at the operators of the SSCS Delta boat.” if you review video and practices SSCS has thrown much more, acid, arrows etc. An don’t say Butyric acid is butter, it is not. I have a minor in chemistry.

    “Explain the use of an LRAD against a helicopter while in flight.” SSCS has a LRAD on board, knowing the skill level of the SSCS crew perhaps he flew into the SSCS LRAD. A pilot were ear protection the LRAD will have little or no effect.

    • AnimuX

      The fact of the matter is that the Japanese whalers have gone out of their way to attempt to physically harm unarmed activists in order to continue their illicit hunt of whales in opposition to international resolutions in an internationally established whale sanctuary. Japan has been violating international whaling regulations since the 1930s and has proven its willingness to attempt to kill or wrongfully imprison anti-whaling activists no matter the circumstances.

    • Michael Raymer

      How entertaining you are.

      1. I asked for an explanation of the Shonan Maru ramming the Bob Barker. Your propaganda video was of the Steve Irwin. You lose.

      2. The use of concussion grenades is not justified against someone throwing rancid butter at you. Concussion grenades are an explosive device that can be potentially lethal. Butyric acid is harmless and it smells bad. This is no justification.

      3. Show me where SSCS has used arrows against the whalers. Don’t talk about it. Show me. And ANSWER THE QUESTION! I didn’t ask about butyric acid. I asked about the large metal nuts that were thrown by the whalers at the people on board a small boat, risking grave injury and potential death. That is what you will respond to. And don’t tell me about some fake degree in chemistry. Your spelling is terrible, your composition is junior high at best. These qualities do not speak of a degree holder, so just stop.

      4. You call this a justification for using an LRAD against a helicopter. It is laughable and pathetic. Your weak excuses may be good enough for you but they aren’t close to being good enough for me.

      The whalers are thugs and eco-nazis who continuously break conservation law, U.N. Charter and the rules of maritime safety. Unlike the Nazis of the 1930′s, there is at least one organisation who will stand up to these modern day Nazis and that is Sea Shepherd. If you don’t like the tactics of SSCS, good. You’re not supposed too. And since you can’t answer MY direct questions regarding the stormtrooper tactics of the whalers, “THEREFORE I DECLARE MYSELF THE WINNER OF THIS DEBATE. THERE AWAYS HAS TO BE A WINNER YOU KNOW, THAT’S HOW IT WORKS.” Try not to cry.

  • romika3

    “You have not responded to my request for a reply dated: September 28, 2010 at 6:03 pm. Just like your pro-sealing and pro-whaling buddies, you are guilty of what you accuse others of.” assignment completed above. Now please complete the assigment if gave you the other day. The video analysis and please post you analysis.

  • romika3

    “The replies to your slander are abundant and plainly visible. You simply choose not to see them. Just scroll up through this thread and all the answers to your absurd allegations are there. But, you do not reciprocate. I as well as others have directed questions and interogatories directly to you which you simply ignore. You think that we have to explain SSCS to you. And we have.” The is not one post that explains or justifies the use of terroist tactics by the SSCS, not one. I fact, with an exception to a few posts, most of the posts contain personal attacks or no refererece to the theme of the discussion.

    • AnimuX

      The only absurdity here is how a man who makes a few extra dollars by beating wild baby animals to death for their skins every year can falsely accuse activists who never hurt people or animals of violence.

  • romika3

    I CONCLUDE THAT NOBODY HERE CAN GIVE ANY RATIONAL SUPPORT TO THE TERRORIST TACTICS EMPLOYED BY THE SSCS. THEREFORE I AM CORRECT IN WHAT I HAVE SAID AND THEREFORE I DECLARE MYSELF THE WINNER OF THIS DEBATE. THERE AWAYS HAS TO BE A WINNER YOU KNOW, THAT’S HOW IT WORKS. NOT EVEN THE GREAT PAUL WATSON COULD COME BACK AND SUPPORT HIS USED OF TERROR TACTICS.

    FISHERMEN 1
    SSCS 0

    • AnimuX

      Just one more statement of ignorance from a pathetic baby seal slaughtering brute who thinks the world hates his business because of “activists” despite the reality and brutality of his own actions.

    • From MN, with hope…

      Pardon me if that is outright one of the most ridiculous, nonsensical, and outright ignorant comments I’ve read on here.

      You sealers hold one hell of a grudge. Sea Shepherd hasn’t done any action against you in years. SSCS isn’t barred from anywhere, and they haven’t hurt nor killed anybody. Sorry if it’s a bit of a weak argument, but it’s pretty hard to debate/argue if I don’t know YOUR definition of terrorist.

      Oh and, speaking of a score? SSCS has been effective at severely reducing sealing, so I think that gives Sea Shepherd a default win.

    • The Infidel

      *gently pats romika3 on the head*

      Yeah dude.

      You showed ‘em.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-DeMartino-Jr/100001412431157 Joseph DeMartino Jr.

      yes, you declar your self winner. that means you think your right. congrats on finding a new way to whine “im right n your wrong, wahhhhhh!”

  • romika3

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  • Calypso

    why????? I never threatened anyone,nor did I make any rude comments like some of the others on here have. Guess this site is only for if your bitching about the Sea Shepards.

  • Calypso

    why????? I never threatened anyone,nor did I make any rude comments like some of the others on here have. Guess this site is only for if your bitching about the Sea Shepards.

  • Calypso

    That or the truth hurts, research is NOT KILLING. As I said Jacques Cousteau NEVER killed or packaged any meat to sell.

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