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The Sea Shepherd have officially secured a replacement for the sunk Ady Gil.

At a celebrity-fueled benefit gala this coming October 23rd in Los Angeles, Paul Watson will reveal what’s described as their “new, fast interceptor vessel that will join their fleet this winter to Antarctica.” Famous faces taking part in the private event include Michelle Rodriguez (Avatar), Emily Deschanel (Bones), Kristin Bauer (True Blood), Isabel Lucas (Transformers), Beau Bridges (Stargate), Flea (Red Hot Chili Peppers), Perrey Reeves (Entourage), Lindsay Price (Lipstick Jungle), Daryl Hannah (Kill Bill), Curtis Stone (celebrity chef), Richard Dean Anderson (MacGyver), Ken Jordan (The Crystal Method)

Apparently, Rodriguez will be a guest DJ at the event. As many of us know, she’ll also be joining the SS on the upcoming Antarctic campaign “Operation No Compromise”.

As for the type of vessel the conservation org is revealing is anyone’s guess. The group has been tight-lipped about a successor for the speedy Gil ever since it sank after a collision last January (or intentionally scuttled, depending on who you believe) — although it appears that they may have had the new boat as early as July.

“Sea Shepherd has acquired a new fast vessel to replace the Ady Gil,” Watson wrote on his Facebook page around July 12th. “The name will be posted once registration and reflagging is completed. This vessel will bring the fleet to four once again along with the Steve Irwin, Bob Barker and Sirenian (based in the Galapagos). Thank-you to all the fans and supporters that have made this possible.”

The post was later deleted.

More info as we get it leading up to the October 23rd announcement.

(Note: This image is a mock-up by dreamed up by Ecorazzi, not Sea Shepherd as some people have been incorrectly stating below. We apologize for any confusion.)

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  • susan watts

    that is great about the new interceptor ship. I watch Whale Wars. Know what you are trying to do and I hope that you are able to stop the senseless killing. they are beautiful creatures.

    • David

      That is what people said last year when the Ady Gil was announced and we all know how that turned out.

      It is all fun and games until someone spends 5 months in a Japanese jail.

      • crumpets are yummy

        This is great news….and sea Shepherd most certainly will have some fun and games with the stinky old whalers this season..hopefully knocking their world wide whaling domination plans for six.

        Go Sea Shepherd!

      • Boo Radley

        The Bob Barker has had successful trials down the coast of Tasmania…now with the new ship ready to go, the SS group are ready to whip some Japanese whaling ass!

    • Rick

      Studies show that more people will stop to help an injured dog than an injured person. The smaller, more caring group are acting as Humanists, and their opinions are worth considering. The dirt bags who ignore the person (we are all one family) in favor of the easy, simplistic, and morally wrong choice, are acting as Environmentalists. Which are you? Millions of people are dying right now of malnutrition and preventable diseases. Stop and help them. First step is to repost this on every site with ‘eco’ in it’s name, maybe we can educate one Environmentalist about what is really important.

      BTW, anybody who things Environmentalism is important has never faced any real problems in their life, such as “How am I going to avoid my family starving to death when there is no food in my country?”

      • AnimuX

        Odd that you revived this old topic for an anti-environmentalist rant with no basis in reality but…. you clearly have not paid attention to any amount of modern history in your short and ignorant life.

        What makes you assume that environmentalists ignore helping people?

        Environmentalism ensures the ultimate success of people because people need clean air, clean water, and uncontaminated food. People need a healthy environment to survive long-term.

        So please, try to pull your head out of your ass because environmentalism is NOT about forcing people to starve. In fact, rampant industrial growth, pollution, and over-exploitation of natural resources has done more damage to peoples’ health world-wide than you can probably comprehend.

        Environmentalists want to keep the world health FOR people – not without people.

  • romika3

    What a waste of donor money!!!!! Watson now thinks he is Captian Kirk and all fishermen of the world are Klingons. Paul Watson I would like to remind you that Star Trek was only a TV series, its not reality. Please donate to real conservation organizations.

    • Claire

      How exactly is it a waste of donor money? If it saves lives of whales and other sea creatures, it’s not a waste.

      • romika3

        Conservation begins with baseline research to determine the extent of the population. There seems to be many unanswered questions about whale populations in the Southern Ocean. Since the minke whale is the primary whale harvested perhaps some money should be spent to look at the sustainability of the present harvest levels. The next is education. One of the primary drivers of environmental change is education. Both of these require funds. Spending 2 million dollars bobbing around in the southern ocean saying you saved a few hundred whales, throwing bottles of acid, dragging warps, and shooting a TV show doing nothing to bring about long term change. In fact what it does is entrenches a practice and therefore guaranteeing that the issue continues for years to come. The SSCS has become a lifestyle which is rather interesting and shameful and an embarrassment to the real conservation movement.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Conservation begins with…NOT DESTROYING AND NOT KILLING!

      • Boo Radley

        The best thing for the Japanese whalers to do in regards to conservation and becoming sustainable is to stop breeding.

    • David

      That is a big if Claire.

      And lets say it cost $2 million and it saves 100 whales, is that worth it? How about if it save 10 whales? Or 1 Bluefin Tuna?

      Is any amount of money spent to save one sea creature worth it?

      How about if it saves one sea creature but causes the death of a crewperson from either side. Is it still worth it?

      • Keaux

        Well, that isn’t the case. Sea Shepherd saved 528 whales last winter, cutting the Japanese quota in half. They saved 800 blue fin tuna in the Med this year. That is crucial, seeing as how close these fish are coming to extinction.

        Also, Sea Shepherd has never lost anyone on their ships and has never caused the death of another ships crewmember(s).

        If everyone had the attitude of, “is it worth it for one creature, we’d really be in trouble.”

        Sea Shepherd is the only organization in the Antarctic doing something for these intelligent and important mammals. In a whale sanctuary, mind you.

        Also, Sea Shepherd has many campaigns all around the world. They were saving the oceans inhabitants loooonnng before Whale Wars.

        No organization is perfect. At least Sea Shepherd is trying to defend the oceans and ocean life with passionate volunteers and making a difference.

      • David

        Keaux, do you understand the word IF?

        And sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the ‘sanctuary’ is an illusion as far as it applies to research whaling in general and any Japanese whaling in specific. Plus the fact that the ‘sanctuary’ was established in violation of the applicable regulations, so if anyone decide to pursue that issue it would just result in the ‘sanctuary’ disappearing.

      • Boo Radley

        It is only an illusion in the eyes of the Japanese whalers. Just as anything else they don’t like becomes an illusion.

      • David

        Sorry you are wrong again Boo.

        Try reading the resolution that established the ‘sanctuary’. Also read the ICWR regulations on the requirements for establishing sanctuaries.

        I know the SSCS doesn’t like the truth and tries to deny it by constantly repeating their mantras, but the truth is out there for anyone who wants to live in reality.

    • http://www.youtube.com/kababayanC2 kababayanC2

      Oh, and by the way, William Shatner (who played Captain Kirk) is a Sea Shepherd supporter. So ‘Captain Kirk’ actually is fighting on the Side of SSCS.

      And U.S. Fishermen are *AGAINST* the Japanese Fishing Fleet. The Japanese fishing fleet was found to be victimizing American Fishermen, their livelihoods and families. In a ruse by the Japanese Fishing Fleet that was found to be stretching back years, the ECONOMIST investigative reporters found that the Japanese Fishing Fleet was systematically coming into U.S. territorial waters (Japan illegally invading sovereign American territory) and violating fishing quotas taking more fish than allowed in illegal fishing operations. The Japanese then short-changed U.S. Fishermen, and then turned around and sold the excess fish back as if it were part of the allowed quota, and also dumped it at below-market prices, thereby scuttling the profits of American fishermen who depended upon it for their livelihood and to put food on the table for their families and children. Also the U.S. Coast Guard has engaged the Japanese Fleet and warned them to stay out of U.S. fisheries waters in more than 15 such incidents, wherein the Japanese enter U.S. waters, poach, and then flee outside the territorial limit when they see the Coast Guard cutters approaching. The Japanese then sit just out of the limit and laugh and scoff at U.S. military personnel and then simply wait until the ship has to leave to take care of a real emergency rescue and then the Japanese Fishing Fleet sneaks back in and poaches more fish again. This was all logged in Coast Guard reports and reported in THE ECONOMIST.

      American Fishermen are actually AGAINST the Japanese Fishing Fleet and their brutal schemes to take food out of the mouths of their children.

      In addition, Malta’s REAL fishermen, not the illegal Libyan fishermen poaching the bluefin, but the actual real traditional fishermen of Malta applauded and cheered Sea Shepherd for freeing the bluefin tuna. Real fishermen are on the side of Sea Shepherd. People pretending to be on the side of ‘fishermen’ in this incident were actually cheering for a group of Libyan poachers. The posters against SSCS were cheering a group of Libyan poachers from a country that was classified as a terrorist state by the U.S. Remember, it was a Libyan which took down the Lockerby airplane with a terrorist bomb killing massive amounts of people. The bluefin poachers were Libyans, not Maltese fishermen. The actual maltese fishermen applauded Sea Shepherd for helping raise awareness to the plight of the actual Maltese fishermen. You can even see this online where the Maltese fishermen themselves thanked Sea Shepherd for raising awareness to the bluefin problem.

      • romika3

        I wonder why Watson and his gang attacked the LEGAL fishermen of eastern Canada. Thus the parodox.

      • crumpets are yummy

        How about if it saves one sea creature but causes the death of a crewperson from either side. Is it still worth it?

        The Japanese whalers have lost 3 crew members ( three crew members!!!) in previous campaigns, and will probably lose more. Why do you not ask the japanese whalers the same thing?

        Why don’t you ask them IS IT WORTH IT?????

      • Malcolm Green

        Given that celebrities who live lives detached from reality support SS, that is a good reason not to. Watson himself is one of the most polluting human beings alive. We could make a start by getting rid of him.

      • Chris H.

        romika, are you referring to the fishermen who collapsed the Newfoundland cod fishery in 1992? You know, the cod fishery that still hasn’t recovered after an 18 year moratorium?

        Cue romika blaming it on the Europeans in 3, 2, 1…

    • From MN, with hope…

      Are your ‘real’ conservation organizations out there on the front lines taking actions against the whalers? I think not. Last year Sea Shepherd was blamed/took responsibility for the whalers low catch. We saw how excellent it was to have two ships last year, and the year the Westra was purchased and named the Robert Hunter. Three ships will be an excellent thing for Sea Shepherd and the whales.

      • crumpets are yummy

        When they say “real” , what they really mean is “not on the front line giving the whalers hell”

    • Philip

      If any other conservation group is protecting whales in the Whale Sanctuary this year, you let us know.

    • Philip

      This remark is a violation of our commenting policy and has been removed. — Ecorazzi

  • Molly

    Where is this event going to be?
    I hadn’t heard anything about it until now…

    • http://www.ecorazzi.com Michael dEstries

      Hi Molly, the event will be on October 23 at a private party in Hollywood.

      • romika3

        Any chance of getting an invite.

      • Boo Radley

        Sounds good, i would love to go.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Nancy

    I think Paul Watson is a little bit Shady, well alot bit actually. However, I still donate monthly to the SSCS because, Paul’s ridiculously large ego aside, the organization as a whole does do great work. However, they are NOT the only group out there trying to save cetaceans. There are lots of other groups to support. I think SSCS will lose popularity soon due to Paul. Regardless, great news on a new boat. I hope they can actually successfully launch a prop fouler this season!

    • Claire

      I doubt a prop fouler will ever work against the whaling fleet as all the boats probably have anti-prop fouling devices.

      As for Sea Shepherd losing popularity, it will most likely be the people that jumped on the Whale Wars bandwagon that’ll end up leaving. True supporters will stick with SSCS, I know I will.

      • David

        And before Whale Wars for over 30 years SSCS scraped by on small donations. Since Whale Wars their donations have skyrocketed. So if they lose the Whale Wars crowd they lose their major source of donations.

      • crumpets are yummy

        David, you can pin your hopes on that happening.

        But next time you see someone have a car crash, take note h=of how many people slow down to see it better.

      • David

        Learn to read crumpet. Claire, your fellow SSCS supporter, was the one who opined that the donations from the Whale Wars watchers may leave and stop donating.

  • http://www.Seashepherd.org Captain Paul Watson

    I have been given information that the person calling himself Romika3, who makes it his business to troll the internet making negative comments about Sea Shepherd and I is actually a paid troll, receiving funding from the Institute of Cetacean Research. That explains why he has so much time on his hands to post comments on every single Sea Shepherd story on Ecorazzi and other social networks. Apparently the ICR has quite a few internet “consultants” hired specifically to spread disinformation.

    However it really has no effect on our operations. Sea Shepherd has never been a large organization and has no ambition to become a large organization. We like to keep it small and under control and our membership is loyal and undeterred by media negativity.

    What is important is that we are all set to go at the end of November with Operation No Compromise and our objective is to cut whale kill quotas and to negate whaling profits. Our support in Australia has grown considerably.

    I am confident that we will be even more effective this next season than we were last season.

    Captain Paul Watson

    • http://www.ecorazzi.com Michael dEstries

      Before anyone asks, I can confirm that this is in fact Paul Watson.

      • RadicalOmnivore

        Would you care to elaborate on your relationship to Paul Watson and the Sea Sheep?

        You might also let us know how much you have personally benefitted from hosting his propaganda, driving hits to your site.

        Will you be at this party?

      • Chris H.

        RadicalOmnivore, that’s an interesting name… Does it mean that you eat sh*t?

      • romika3

        “RadicalOmnivore, that’s an interesting name… Does it mean that you eat sh*t?” isn’t your respose a little childish and reflects on your inability to argue with substance.

      • Chris H.

        @romika3,

        I was just amusing myself a little…

        Btw, my “respose” is quite comfortable, thanks…

        You seem to equate long-winded polemics with “substance”, which is another one of your logical fallacies.

        Intelligent people can express themselves succinctly.

    • romika3

      This man is not Paul Watson as Romika3 is not a paid troll.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Ha ha, your cover is blown Romika3…talk about LOL

      • Cardinal

        Thank you for confirming this is Paul Watson.

      • Malcolm Green

        Congratulations – you’ve annoyed Watson enough that he’s resorted to making out that you’re paid by the ICR to post stuff on the Internet.

        About as many people will believe that as will believe Watson’s lies about being shot by the Japanese, lies about arrows not being found in the ocean after the Ady Gil smashed into the SM2 (they were planted by the ICR according to Watson!), and lies about the Ady Gil being scuttled.

        “Captain” Watson – how does it feel to be a fraud? Still rolling in the donations from the rich and famous?

      • crumpets are yummy

        Malcolm green…the new romika 3? lol.

      • David

        Maybe you should spend some real time on this site don. Malcolm has been posting here since long before you started getting paid by Paul to post here.

      • Chris H.

        Ha! I was beginning to suspect that romika3 (& 4, on HuffPo) was a paid shill. His/her/its comments are all over YouTube, Huffington Post, and ecorazzi. Thanks for confirming this Paul (and others).

        Go Sea Shepherds! Everyone at my house appreciates and supports all your efforts to end whaling, and all the other SSCS campaigns. Keep up the great work!

        FYI, I think another of these paid shills goes by the name “drkuroneko” on YouTube…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-DeMartino-Jr/100001412431157 Joseph DeMartino Jr.

        yea, sure, thats what they all say. *wishs could folow through with that scene)

    • From MN, with hope…

      We had a hunch Captain, but I think it’s best to wade away from that. We know that we are here for better reasons while those whose opinions are sold are shallow, empty people. Best wishes Captain! Give ‘em hell!

    • David

      Small operation?

      With over $1 million in salaries plus all the unpaid volunteers you hardly qualify as small.

      And if you have proof why not post it instead of just posting accusations?

      • Cho cho ma

        I don’t believe they have over 1 million in salaries based on the 2009 (the most recent) finacial report released to the public.

      • David

        I don’t care what you believe. Especially when you can’t even get the year right. The latest data is from 2008, it wasn’t filed until 2009 but it is data from 2008.

        In 2007 with one boat they had $3.4 million income and spent $544,000 in salary. In 2008 with one boat they had $3.7 million income and spent $836,000 in salary. Now they have 2 or 3 boats and even higher incomes.

        Since two of the highest salaries were for the boats captain and engineer, I think it is perfectly logical to assume that after 2 years and adding at least one more boat that they now pay salaries that have increased by $164,000. Especially since with no extra boat they increased salaries by $292,000 in one year.

      • crumpets are yummy

        David, if you have proof…feel free to post

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carrie-Leber/1029841727 Carrie Leber

      I would imagine Romika3 is involved with Glenn Inwood, who actually tweeted this post out last week, inviting his clients at the ICR to sink SSCS vessels. One if his tools of choice is astroturfing the internet with his whaling agenda. The talking points are almost always the same as if cute and pasted by interns in New Zealand.

      • Boo Radley

        So true, they all have a certain sameness to them.

        All clones from the same scum.

      • David

        I guess all PR people are the same Carrie.

        Good thing some of us are real people with their own opinions.

    • romika3

      The above is not Paul Watson’s writing. I have posted a sample of his writing pulled from one of his commentaries posted on the SSCS web page.”Years ago, when I accused Newfoundland and Magdalen Island sealers of being baby-killing monsters, people were horrified. I am finding today that more and more people agree with that statement. The sealer is a thug, usually an uneducated and insensitive creature prone to sadistic tendencies. You pretty much have to be a sadist to take a club and bash in a defenseless seal pups head. It’s hardly what one would call a manly or noble pursuit.” notice the language he uses to refer to the fishermen of Eastern Canada who have familes and are participating in a legal, managed and sustainable harvest that is one component of the annual fishing cycle. The tendency to attack people rather than the issue. A trade mark of the SSCS organizagtion attacking and demonizing a people and a culture.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Was he talking about sealing in this post? No. He was outing you. Say hi to Glenn for me.

      • Chris H.

        If skinning humans, while they are still alive, were “legal”, would you still be okay with that too?

        It’s called “morality”, and it sounds like you suffer from a complete lack of it…

      • mike

        This remark is in violation of our commenting policy and has been removed.

      • Imforthewhales

        Don’t you mean shut up PAID ICR TROLL….(??)

        Yeah and give Glen a sloppy kiss from me.

      • Philip

        You are one ignorant ‘human.’ You take money from the people responsible for illegal poaching activities, in an established Whale Sanctuary. Absolute vileness.

      • David

        First, you have no proof of anybody on this site taking money from anybody.

        Second, the ‘whale sanctuary’ was established in violation of the IWC’s own regulations and would never hold up in court. On top of which it doesn’t even apply to Japan.

  • crumpets are yummy

    Ha ha good one Paul…lol…

  • Doctor Detroit

    Good on ya, Paul! Maybe when this one gets toasted at sea, be sure to attach a beacon to the hull so maybe it will float away and lead you to where the Ady Gil, is! Just sayin’!

  • Kimitake Hiraoka

    Sigh… I wonder how many millions of some schmuck’s donations were blown on this latest egotistical indulgence of Paul Watson…?

    Let’s just hope that when it gets rammed into the bow of a Japanese vessel that no one is hurt. And that this time the vandals don’t dump the wreckage and diesel oil into the pristine waters of the Southern Ocean.

    • crumpets are yummy

      It would be a good thing if the japanese whalers can hold off their vicious attacks this year…jut sayin`! Then there will be no problem…

    • Sam

      Cause it’s not like the fuel and pollutants were removed or anything…

      • Boo Radley

        Well, the japanese were the cause of any pollution.

  • Claire

    You can always spot the trolls. They live under bridges with nothing else to do but find every Sea Shepherd story published on the internet and comment on them. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the trolls is Ginza Glenn.

    Thanks for stopping by Paul and best of luck to you and the crew during Operation No Compromise!

    • http://www.veganjapan.net herwin

      paid trolls are nothing news in advertising and pr.
      My favorite is McDonalds who secretly hired a few thousand “customers” to stand in line with the opening of a new branch in Japan. secter leaked and gave a big media poo poo. :-P
      Also other animal rights campaigns have their paid trolls who roam the boards and blogs :
      http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2010/10/12/the-internet-s-seal-slaughter-cheerleaders.aspx
      in one way these trolls do a good job by stirring up emotions and keeping the debat alive and motivating lots of people who read their nonsense. I mean, the more controversial a topic is, the more people like it, right ? No trolls, no mudslinging discussion, no fun, eh..

      • http://www.veganjapan.net herwin

        that must be “secret leaked”, and it happened a few years ago.

      • romika3

        Folks, did you ever consider that it might be Paul Watson and the SSCS that is paying me!!!!!!!

      • crumpets are yummy

        i hope they give you a payrise then romika 3, you are doing a fantastic job!

  • crumpets are yummy

    I always thought seacumbers might be Ginza Glen. Im pretty sure Ginza Glens accomplice & partner in crime, david@tokyo, posts here under various names.

  • romika3

    Conservation is about attacking the issue, not people. The SSCS has an excellent record when it comes to attacking, demonizing and utilizing terror methods against people but there record of dealing with an issue at the policy, education etc. levels is an embarrassment to the conservation movement.

    • Chris H.

      romika, what do you know about conservation? You spend all your time defending people who kill whales, seals, bluefin tuna, and dolphins…

      You’re the last person on the planet that I would listen to when it comes to conservation…

      • imforthewhales

        Especially considering Romika3 is on the cash for comment payroll.

  • crumpets are yummy

    romika 3…the people doing the KILLING are the ISSUE…and people who promote the kiling are the issue!

    The only terrorism being carried out is BY the JAPANESE WHALERS

    who are the ECO TERRORISTS of planet ocean….supreme ENVIRONMENTAL RAPISTS OF THE WORLDS OCEANS bar none! JAPANESE LONGLINERS / Tuna hunters who steal the worlds stocks of tuna and LIE about their quotas and KILL Everything in their path INCLUDING PROTECTED AND ENDANGERED ALBATROSS and turtles on their longlines run a close second.

    WAKE UP ROMIKA 3 and small the roses!!! BEFORE ITS too late!

    • romika3

      Here are the catches. Most of the Whales harvested are minkes. Looks like it might be a sustainable harvest based on present population levels. Perhaps SSCS should invest some money to look into this. It basline research that will support conservation efforts.

      The 09/10 numbers have not been posted on the IWC website yet.

      As for the Antarctic hunt, in 2010 Japanese representatives announced they killed 506 “data deficient” Antarctic Minke whales and 1 endangered Fin whale and that their catch fell short due to interference from Sea Shepherd.

      The 08/09 numbers for JARPA II and JARPN II from the IWC are:
      1 Fin whale – Endangered
      2 Sperm whales – Vulnerable
      100 Sei whales – Endangered

      50 Brydes whales – Data Deficient
      171 Common Minke whales (North Pacific & coastal) – Least Concern (LC overall but many from vulnerable J-stock)
      680 Antarctic Minke whales – Data Deficient

      • AnimuX

        Unfortunately, romika has left out some important details.

        1) All species of whales are protected by international agreements and resolutions.

        2) Antarctic Minke whales are listed as “data deficient” by the IUCN due to conflicting population estimates. It is possible the species could be classified as endangered.

        3) Up to 46% of the minke meat sold in Japan comes from the vulnerable “J-stock” according to a DNA study from 2009.

        4) Japan imports the meat of Endangered Fin whales killed by Icelandic whalers. (148 killed this year alone)

        5) The IWC has never defined what is “sustainable” (popular word used to justify political and economic decisions). Instead the IWC established that a whale population must be at a biologically optimal level to be hunted.

        6) There are NO statistics establishing any species of great whale at an optimal level. In fact, DNA studies have determined the previous assumptions of pre-whaling populations may be severely underestimated. This means many whale species are much worse off as a result of commercial whaling than previously thought.

      • ednakano

        Animix just using prefarable data.
        At the beginning of Whaling moratorium caused USA gorverment and Greenpeace.
        IWC pre-meeting conclusion at that time was “NO moratriam required” but USA, UK and U’s colonies enforced many countries abstention. Some new countires representative are Greenpeace or same type of NPO and fee has been paid by Greenpeace.
        Some of Those case several countries did not know they were member of IWC.
        USA threatened many countries with economical punishment if they vote against whaling moratorium.
        Why USA did it because USA wanted something else draw attntion instead of defoliant scatter in Vetnam.
        Why Greenpeace help it because anti-whaling is most prifitable business for enviromental business.

      • David

        Unfortunately AnimuX continues his lies.

        The IWC who established the protection is the same group whose regulations allow hunting of any whale species in any number for research.

        The very last line of romika3′s post explicitly says that Antarctic Minke whales are Data Deficient.

        Don’t know where he got the 46% number, but since the total of Pacific Minke’s, which would include the J-stock, only represent about 15% of the whales Japan takes it seems pretty impossible that those 15% of the whales represent 46% of the meat. If there is a study I assume that it wasn’t a very well done study.

        The legal importing of Fin whales is actually true, but why he expected romika to include that in a list of Japanese catches is beyond me.

        Actually the IWC has developed a formula as part of the RMP to determine the quota for each species of whales.

        I haven’t seen this great whale study he mentions but again since Japan primarily hunts Minkes I again don’t see the relevance. Of course ‘assumptions of pre-whaling populations may be severely underestimated’ basically means nothing because it also means they may not be severely underestimated.

      • romika3

        And that was my point, instead of SSCS sending 2 millions dollars to the bottom why isn’t the money they raise being put towards filling in the gaps in the data which intern would support conservation efforts. Please answer that. And here is another interesting point. Japan harvested 1 fin whale, whereas Iceland harvested 148 fins. Why isn’t SSCS there? That’s where the most endangered species are being harvested. In fact what does the fact the Japan imports whale meat from Iceland have to do the whaling in the southern oceans any way. As from the above post the majority of whales harvested in the artic are no endangered. This really supports one of my continued posts that SSCS selects issues based on money making potential, and safety. Iceland would not put up with the likes of the SSCS, remember the cod war when they drove the Europeans out with their navy. The same would happen to Watson and his terrorists. That is why you don’t see the SSCS in Iceland!!!! This post doesn’t mean I support whales what is does is ask why is SSCS (who say they want to save ENDANDGERED WHALES) not where one of the most endangered species is harvested? They did the same with the Canadian Harp seal, spending years bobbing around off the coast of eastern Canada claiming that they were saving an endangered species when ignoring six species of seals that were on the endangered list, two of which are in the waters under the jurisdiction of the US!! I have to remind you of Watson’s statement, “There is no money in dolphins but there is money in seals”, today there is no money in seals but there is more money in whales and there is more money to be make “attacking” the Japanese than attacking the people of Iceland.

      • Imforthewhales

        Japan supports the killing of whales by Iceland etc.
        that is because they are buying a lot of those endangered fin whales that are being hacked to pieces by overseas companies. Stop japan killing whales full stop..and you take away a large whaling industry in Iceland etc.

      • David

        Your logic doesn’t pass the smell test imforthewhales.

        If Japan stops hunting whales there will still be a demand. So Japan will just import more from Iceland. Stopping Japanese whaling will increase whaling in Iceland.

      • imforthewhales

        David… Japanese illegal whaling supplies government funded school lunch programs…and we all know some of this whale meat ends up as pet food. Why the import hale meat i do not know considering that demand for whale meat is falling…however it wouldn’t make sense for Japan to import whale meat from Iceland simply to supply whale meat school lunches and for the pet food trade etc.

        Regardless of whether you agree with this or not…Japanese whalers are targeting whales inside whale sanctuaries..and their quotas are a long and bloody one. Even if sea Shepherd can only shut down one whaling operation, then Japanese illegal whaling is the one to go after.

        Perhaps after another year of whale wars there might be another ship that can tackle other areas.

      • David

        So this week Paul is paying all of you to use the idea that whale meat has so little demand that it is used for pet food. I suppose next week you will be back to the idea that whale meat is a delicacy and each whale is worth some huge amount. It would be nice if you decided on one or the other and stayed there.

        Of course if you are right about the per food story then my point is still valid. Whatever whale meat id used for will still exist even if they stop hunting in the Antarctic. So if the whaling industry can’t supply meat it will have to come from somewhere. Since whale is so cheap and Iceland is willing to sell this cheap ‘pet food’, they are the perfect source to replace any decrease in the supply.

        Yes Japan legally whales in an illegal sanctuary.

      • AnimuX

        Where pro-whalers continue to try and justify a hunt that subverts international conservation efforts, we find many interesting FACTS.

        David says I’m lying:

        Point by point:

        1) All species of whales are protected by international agreements and resolutions.

        In 1982 the IWC voted to establish a moratorium on commercial whaling which went into effect in 1986. However, prior to the moratorium every species of great whale except for the minke was already protected due to over-exploitation. CITES also forbids the international trade in whales.

        2) Antarctic Minke whales are listed as “data deficient” by the IUCN due to conflicting population estimates. It is possible the species could be classified as endangered.

        This is directly stated by the IUCN. I highly encourage everyone to look up “Balaenoptera bonaerensis” on the IUCN Red List web site.

        Direct quote: “If the decline proves to be largely or mainly an artifact, or proves to have been transient in the light of analyses of more recent data, the species would qualify as Least Concern. If it were real, the species would qualify as Endangered. Pending resolution of the uncertainties relating to the apparent decline, however, the species is listed as Data Deficient (DD).”

        3) Up to 46% of the minke meat sold in Japan comes from the vulnerable “J-stock” according to a DNA study from 2009.

        http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17890-whale-forensics-highlights-threat-to-species.html

        Direct Quote: “To find out exactly where the whale meat on sale in Japan was caught, the researchers analysed 1200 samples of Japanese whale meat between 1997 and 2004. They found that 250 of the samples came from 201 north Pacific minke whales. An alarming 46 per cent of these appeared to be from the protected J stock.”

        4) Japan imports the meat of Endangered Fin whales killed by Icelandic whalers. (148 killed this year alone)

        Another true statement. Iceland kills endangered Fin whales and exports the meat to Japan.

        5) The IWC has never defined what is “sustainable” (popular word used to justify political and economic decisions). Instead the IWC established that a whale population must be at a biologically optimal level to be hunted.

        Dr. Sidney Holt, who was once a member of the IWC scientific committee for many years, has made this clear in his writings about the IWC. He now blogs about it for IFAW.

        6) There are NO statistics establishing any species of great whale at an optimal level. In fact, DNA studies have determined the previous assumptions of pre-whaling populations may be severely underestimated. This means many whale species are much worse off as a result of commercial whaling than previously thought.

        In 2003 geneticists from Harvard and Stanford (Roman and Palumbi) produced a report based on DNA samples taken from whales indicating that estimates of whale populations from past data (like whaling ship log books) were inaccurate.

        They concluded whale populations were once much larger than previously estimated. Therefore the numbers used by the IWC to determine pre-whaling population health were extremely low compared to the diversity indicated by whale DNA.

        For example…

        Fins:
        IWC estimates 40,000
        Geneticists 360,000

        Humpbacks:
        IWC 20,000
        Geneticists 240,000

      • David

        Lets see, Animux didn’t refute a single statement that I made. He provide links to two of the sources he used but neither one refutes anything I said.

        The IWC regulations allow legal hunting of any whale species in any number under Article VIII.

        Yes Minke are data deficient, but the IUCN says they may be endangered, like AnimuX quotes, but the IUCN also says they may be least concern. It depends on whether the estimates are high or low, but data deficient means nobody, except AnimuX, knows which is the case.

        He did provide a link to his 46% number, but no explanation as to how if Pacific Minkes make up less the 15% of the catch they can make up 46% of the samples. My guess is that the samples weren’t random, without their data and methodology it is impossible to tell.

        The IWC Scientific Committee has developed a RMP to calculate sustainable quotas. Again anyone with an internet connection can read it for themselves.

        The Harvard and Stanford researchers are the same ones who just recently used the same DNA method to estimate Antarctic Minke population as over 500,000. But the anti-whalers reject this study, of course the same scientists using the same method will be used in this case when it says what they like. Anybody with any integrity will see the sham in that. If the great whale study is accurate the the Minke study is accurate, or they both are wrong.

      • AnimuX

        Once again pro-whaling antagonists make accusations without meeting any burden of proof.

        David claims Palumbi’s estimates of Antarctic minke whale populations are rejected by anti-whalers and implies I am covering up or denying information on minke populations.

        The fact is, the current population total of Antarctic Minke whales is unknown and the IUCN has listed the species as “Data Deficient” because of conflicting reports of minke numbers. I stated this very clearly -twice-.

        Here is some information about Dr. Palumbi’s conclusions:

        https://biology.stanford.edu/news/whale-scientist-palumbi-transforms-controversy-conservation

        Palumbi says, “Amazingly, we got the same estimate no matter which gene we used: The historic population of the Antarctic minke whale was about 1 million.”

        This CONTRADICTS the claims made by pro-whalers that the Antarctic minke population has exploded due to less competition from other whales (like the blue and fin) which were hunted to a tiny fraction of their original numbers.

        The fabricated claims were intended to justify killing more Antarctic minke whales by falsely suggesting the minkes were multiplying and eating too much and therefore preventing other protected whales from recovering.

        However, the results of Dr. Palumbi’s work clearly indicate Antarctic minkes had a historically large population. Antarctic minkes have NOT doubled or tripled in population as claimed by Japan and others.

        In fact, Palumbi’s estimates support the possibility that the Antarctic minke population has declined significantly over time due to hunting like the other great whales.

        Unfortunately, pro-whalers also like to cite the Antarctic minke “estimated” population numbers as evidence of a “sustainable” hunt. They reason if there are hundreds of thousands of minkes then cruelly dispatching one thousand in a Whale Sanctuary, despite repeated calls from the IWC to stop and a moratorium on commercial whaling, is OK.

        However, the official status of the Antarctic Minke remains “Data Deficient” (IUCN) and protected by international agreement (IWC).

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-DeMartino-Jr/100001412431157 Joseph DeMartino Jr.

        wait, whats “sufficent stocks” have to do with anything, this is supposed to be “scientific” no? youve cornered your self.

    • romika3

      In all my posts over the last three years I never stated that I supported the harvesting of whales. My point have always been the methods employed by this and a few other conservation organizations. Just because one does not support the methods of an organization it doesn’t mean that they don’t support the particular environmental issue. My point have always been:

      - SSCS is not a conservation organization
      - SSCS uses terrorist method to acheive their goals
      - SSCS distorts the truth and lies to the donating public
      - SSCS has done more damage to a cause than good.
      - SSCS primary interest is in the PR, the cocktail parties and the money
      - SSCS focuses on the demonization of the common fisherperson and instills hate towards the group in question
      - SSCS is connected behind the scenes with other questionable organization who demonize and promote hate.

      I base all of this on my knowledge and experience with the Canadain seal hunt, but see the same pattern unfolding with the Japanese Whale havest, the tuna and tha pilot whale havest in the Faroe Islands.

      • Cho cho ma

        So basically you care more about those who hunt and fish then you care about endangered and at risk species. You care more about the man who kicked a baby seal, then killing it. You care more about your sea food and the short term economy then the well being of entire species. You care more about profits then the cruel methods of ending these animals lives. You cant pretend your not for whaling romika for you defend it in every post that does not even mention Sea Shepherd. Its funny to me that you call Sea Shepherd “terrorist”. If they were “terrorist” then why does Australia allow them to use their nation as their main port country? Why if they have been fully investigated by the AFP at Japan’s request, to find nothing? Like you I also feel hate, but my hate is for the ones you support.

      • romika3

        “Basicly you care…” looks like your saying all this not I. Read my previously post again. It says nothing about what you are saying.

      • romika3

        Cho cho ma if you don’t mind bounce one of my posts back to me where I have said that I support whaling.

      • TrueMetis

        I wouldn’t trust any numbers given to us by Watson, the man thinks that the harp seal population used to be 24 Million. Which of course is absolutely moronic.

        And for anyone who talks about Watson being in Greenpeace sure he was but he was also kicked and as Jim Bohlen said of Watson

        “I’ve known the guy for 15 years, and he’s absolutely insane, out of his mind.”

      • crumpets are yummy

        who is Jim Bolen….?

      • Chris H.

        Perhaps because Jim Bohlen was (died July, 2010) more interested in making money than in protecting endangered species, marine mammals, fish, reptiles, birds, and ultimately, ourselves.

        He must’ve thought Paul was crazy for spending all the money saving animals…

      • TrueMetis

        One of the founders on Greenpeace. ( Which Watson is not according to Greenpeace)

      • Imforthewhales

        Madness and genius often sit at the same table.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-DeMartino-Jr/100001412431157 Joseph DeMartino Jr.

        - SSCS is not a conservation organization
        what do you call saving endangered and protected specis then?

        - SSCS uses terrorist method to acheive their goals
        really? they really suck then, havnt killed a single person and are really lacking in the suicide attack departmen

        - SSCS distorts the truth and lies to the donating public
        …really, weve never heard that before, mr. yukzi unions R-US

        - SSCS has done more damage to a cause than good.
        lets see, greenpeace-taken pictues, gotten money to take more pictures. sea shepherd- sevral hundred, or thaosand whales, uncountable numbers of sharks, fish, ect, numerous baby seals. yes theyve done tons of damadge

        - SSCS primary interest is in the PR, the cocktail parties and the money
        lol, name one eco-organization that dosnt raise money in similar ways

        - SSCS focuses on the demonization of the common fisherperson and instills hate towards the group in question
        how many times have they said they have no problem with (racial group here) people? they have a japanese crew member, have masssive support from ton of groups, hell they even have support o real fishermen in the medditeranian!

        - SSCS is connected behind the scenes with other questionable organization who demonize and promote hate.
        sure mr yukazi, sure.

      • David

        You might want to look at the UN definition of terrorist. It doesn’t require killing people or using suicide tactics.

      • TrueMetis

        Christ H

        Now that’s funny wasn’t it Watson who said “I will never accept a single dollar for myself from charitable donations.” Even though he now draws a salary from Sea Shepard? Or what about him saying “Well it’s definitely because it’s easier to make money and because it’s easier to make a profit because there are over a thousand animals on the endangered species list, and the harp seal isn’t one of them.” So when did Pauly stop protesting the seal hunt? I don’t really give a shit if Bholen was only after money as Paul Watson is in the same boat. but I can give Greenpeace the benefit of the doubt on that one because they don’t use violent tactics which as Pauly boy says, “The hint of romance and piracy or the possibility of violence guaranteed coverage.”

        So you tell me who is the one that’s after money?

    • http://yasmin.kellner@live.com yasmin

      Long live the men and women of Paul Watson ilk………Please keep up the fantastic work , without you our oceans would not be safe. Our SPINELESS politicians and apathetic goverments around the world have made you the Eco Warriors………. GO PAUL and crew, you are a brave and admirable group of people and I applaud you……….do what it takes………

      • Imforthewhales

        Well said…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-DeMartino-Jr/100001412431157 Joseph DeMartino Jr.

        too true! dam politicans. yet we fall for there lies every eleciction time

  • ECOWARRIOR117

    October 23 can’t come soon enough. I’m itching to see the new ship, but I hope it meets a better, and later, fate.

    • Cho cho ma

      I wonder if the ship will be somthing similar to an ex-military patrol boat. Paul Watson gave a speech in Washington earlier this year in which he said the vessels top speed would be cabable of 35 knots. He also said the vessel would be larger than the Ady Gil. Either way it should turn out to be interesting.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joseph-DeMartino-Jr/100001412431157 Joseph DeMartino Jr.

        well, theres some navy typhon class patrol vessals that do about 60% faster then the ady, about half the size of the barker, and have a ramp on the back for launching speed boats. doubt thatll be it, but itd be awsome if it was.

  • Pat

    To all those who wish to attack the integrity of both Paul Watson as well as the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, you remind me of a bunch of eunuchs. You know how it’s done, you’ve seen it done. But not a F**k can you do it yourselves.

  • Cho cho ma

    Since you are trying to paint everyone Sea Shepherd opposes as the poor victim my post actually does make sense.

    • Cho cho ma

      (In reply to romika3)

    • romika3

      “Since you are trying to paint everyone Sea Shepherd opposes as the poor victim” in this case they are the victims of terroist methods directed towards them by an organization. There is a diffence between a conservation organization that opposes a practice and uses education, supports research, works with the people, NGOs, government etc to bring about change and a group who does none of this and chooses to resort to “attacking” and “demonization” of a people and/or culture. There is the diffence and I have always opposed SSCS methods and have seen the legacy that they and similar organizations have left behind.

      • Cho cho ma

        That demonstrates that you really know little about Sea Shepherd beyond their Antarctic campaigns. Sea Shepherd is currently in a partnership with the GOVERNMENT of Ecuador. Sea Shepherd is currently installing a communication system for the park rangers in the Galapagos. Additionally Sea Shepherd provided police dogs to the local authorities in the Galapagos. Sea Shepherd has also been in partnerships with other international governments. Sea Shepherd added a new educational and outreach bus only a matter of months ago. The organization also provides educational writings as well.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Which button did you press to pull up that bit of propaganda romika 3?

        Is that the button that says ICR prop?

      • David

        So what are you trying to say Cho?

        Is it because they do one good and legal thing that everything they do must be good and legal. Or is it that because they do one good and legal thing that balances out their criminal actions?

        Either one is a logical fallacy, but I was just wondering which fallacy you think is legitimate.

      • imforthewhales

        Sounds like you think research whaling is a legitimate fallacy David…

        PS will Glen be letting you off this weekend too?

      • David

        Lets see, the ICWR explicitly allows research whaling with no restrictions and no requirement for what is researched. Anyone with an internet connection can look it up for themselves.

        So yes research whaling is completely legitimate.

        Of course you know that but just hope that some people will believe your lies.

      • imforthewhales

        is that the International institute for research on women?

      • David

        Sorry I mistyped, I meant ICRW. But if you could figure that out then you are just irrelevant in the discussion. A anti-whaler who can’t recognize the major document involved can just be ignored.

  • romika3

    I am aware of the SSCS work in the Galapagos and have mosted a positive commnet on that in the past. The unfortunate thing (these are not my thoughts) is that a number of individuals have told me that SSCS involvement in Galapagos is more of being there because it is their “place in the sun”, “Watson’s resort” during the off seasaon. The reptutation of SSCS is the root of these kinds of comments.

    • Cho cho ma

      I don’t believe Paul Watson has visited the Galapagos for years, which would make your claim untrue.

      • ednakano

        There is clear truth that Paul Watson is liar. It already proved Whale War season I. What SSCS did in Galapagos is not makes SSCS to allow violence.
        And “publicy stunt” do not save wildlife.

      • imforthewhales

        learn to speak engwish then try again

    • crumpets are yummy

      Are they the guys sitting in the cubicles opposite you romika3?

      The cubicles supplied by the ICR?

      BTW, have they given you information that they want put out there? Do yo have lists of things like current court cases against Japan, that kind of thing? Just wondering…

  • http://www.veganjapan.net herwin

    the paid trolls are doing a FANTASTIC job. i did post at some other (non whaling) topics here on Ecorazzi, but nobody else leaves a message, so boring ! in contrast, THANKS to the paid trolls the anti whaling topic is steaming HOT HOT HOT. thanks trolls. ;-)

    • Boo Radley

      Yes indeed, major applause from this end! (*bends over)

  • Tanya Hadden

    There are people who were not aware that whaling actually exists in current times until “Whales Wars” aired. Beyond acting as a monkey-wrench to the whaling industry, Sea Shepherd has educated the public who might not otherwise be exposed to the fact that these atrocities still exist.
    You may not like their methods or their personalities, but you have to appreciate the dedication Sea Shepherds have demonstrated in this plight. If you don’t like the content or the personlaities, you don’t have to watch the show or donate to the cause. I will continue to be a supporter because I see that diversity of our fauna has to be protected by someone, somehow.

    • ednakano

      The people who support SSCS is all show business people and they hate to pay tax and want to make self-advertisement.
      SSCS is Conservation business and realy hope not to ban whaling. Because anti-whaling is most profitable business.
      As Pete Bethune said “Morally Baancraapt” SSCS organization just collect money and those money goes subsideary of SSCS to use support ALF, SHAC and OrcleForce.
      Western countries leave them free because it draws attention and less concern real issue.

    • David

      Yes lets appreciate their dedication to stopping whaling by Iceland. Oh wait they haven’t used direct action there for years. But there is Norway, no they stopped actions there years ago also. Well there are the hunts in Greenland and Russia. Hmmm, no action at either of those. But there is Japan in the North Pacific, no not there either.

      Wow, lots of dedication there.

      • imforthewhales

        Think about it this way…Sea Shepherd is a small organization. They cannot be everywhere at once. But they do make a difference in all sorts of areas all around the world. You claim they are nowhere else but the Southern Ocean…yet Sea Shepherd members are in Taji Japan right now…making a stand against the dolphin slaughters there…and were there for the last grind in the Faroes documenting the cruel whale kill and letting people know that these sorts of things still going on.

        Sea Shepherd are doing everything they can to help put a stop to Japanese whaling in designated whale sanctuaries.

        Tackling Japan makes sense as if you take Japanese whaling out of the equation , whaling will drop significantly in Iceland for example, which supplies japan with whale meat.

      • David

        Think of it this way…Sea Shepherd only uses direct action where they are relatively free from danger of arrest.

        No I claimed they don’t use direct action against whaling anywhere but the Antarctic. You notice the SSCS in Taiji and the Fareos aren’t don’t use any direct action the hunters.

        “Tackling Japan makes sense as if you take Japanese whaling out of the equation , whaling will drop significantly in Iceland for example, which supplies japan[sic] with whale meat.”

        Do you really believe this? It is one of the most illogical ideas I have seen from you. Just why would stopping half of the Japanese whaling cause a decrease in Icelandic whaling?

        Japan has a demand for a certain amount of meat, whale meat fills part of that demand. The demand is not going down, so if the supply of meat from Antarctica goes away then something has to replace that demand. Now it could be filled with another type of meat but since Japan imports most of its meat, whatever fills that demand will be imported. Iceland has meat to export and already has an established supply chain. And earlier you said whale meat is cheap, so Iceland supplies cheap meat and can increase that supply. But you want people to believe that instead they will decrease their supply?

  • ednakano

    SSCS build new ship?
    SSCS will build toy ship and sunk in Antrantic again to get insurance. However, No insurance company will pay insurance because insurance conpanies know SSCS is liar.

  • Cho cho ma

    Sea Shepherd is going to have a great antarctic campaign. This vessel should give them the advantage they need. When you take into account the Bob Barkers new faster engine and the better helicopter it should be easy to improve on last years campaign. Im curious to see the new tactics for the campaign as well.

    • Boo Radley

      New tactics to bring the whale kill quota down to zero~!!!

      • ednakano

        Never happen!

  • Boo Radley

    Do the pro whalers have this weekend off? Glen is shouting you a beer is he?

    See ya back at work monday!

  • TrueMetis

    I wonder how many pro sea shepard poster’s here are from the U.S. and how many are aware of the whaling that goes on in the United States? Nice glass house you people have there.

    • Boo Radley

      Is that your best shot?

      • TrueMetis

        No but it’s usually a good place to start.

    • From MN, with hope…

      Obviously I’m from America, but does that mean I support every last thing that goes on in my country? No! I don’t support everything, nor most things, that my country does. Who does?

      Plus your whaling there is done by traditional locals, not a several ship fleet. Big difference.

      • romika3

        Thus the double standard. The dolphin and minke whale harvests in Japan and the Faraeo Islands are done by traditional locals also yet you folks attack them.

      • TrueMetis

        So the traditional hunts are somehow more humane and sustainable that the Japanese antarctic hunts? Exactly what is the “big difference” the size of the boats? Traditional hunters use harpoons to.

        This ignores that Japan has been whaling for hundreds of years and only stopped because the U.S. blackmailed them into accepting the IWC moratorium. Japan had issued a formal complaint which would have allowed them to continue commercial whaling but the U.S. threatened to cut off Japan’s access to Alaskan water for fishing. So Japan agreed to the moratorium but the U.S. eventually cut them off anyway.

        Every single country that whales today has a tradition of it, the only difference is many of them have started using more modern techniques but the basics are the same. See a whale and shoot it with a harpoon.

      • Chris H.

        This remark is in violation of our commenting policy and has been removed.

      • romika3

        Tratdional practices change, but slowly. The reason being that these practices have links to the intangiable heritage of a people (ie story telling, music, song, memory etc). The worse thing that one can do is try to change these traditonal practices using the methods such as those employed by SSCS (terror, threats, demonization etc, etc,). I am most familar with the seal hunt and I personally know individauls who will not give up the hunt for that reason only because of the fact that they have been threaten etc. Tradition, pride, hertiage are all linked at a different level. That is why SSCS have actually prolonged bringing change. What is amazing is the inabilty for Watson and his organization to see this connection. But they do and this what brings be to beleive that they are not really interested in that. They are more interested in the media, the attack, the violence etc.

      • Imforthewhales

        Once a generation has died off, the “culture’ is just a hand me down. Times change, people change, circumstances change.

        Trying to copy your ancestors way of life, when it doesn’t apply to the modern world, or have any meaning at all except “horror show’, is a recipe for mental instability.

        Some cultures have died off over time, such as the culture of cannibalism.

        Most of us here would consider that a good thing.

        What about you romika 3?

      • Chris H.

        romika,

        I guess that you wish that the people of Papua New Guinea and Fiji were still allowed to practice cannibalism too…

        Ahh, the good old days…

      • romika3

        You folks understand what I am saying regarding the transmission of cultural hertiage, but refuse to acknowlege it this your shallow responses.

      • Chris H.

        romika:

        And you understand what we mean when we say that some traditions have no place in civilized societies, and yet you insist on telling us that it’s normal and healthy for humans to club a 20 day old seal pup to death so that you can take its skin and sell it to someone for a few dollars…

      • imforthewhales

        Romika3…are you another member of the Canadian Sealers Club?

      • TrueMetis

        Chris H

        Yes actually it is normal to kill the young of the species you hunt. Every other predatory species in the world kills the young and sick. (humans being the only exception resulting in smaller average sizes for many of the species we hunt) The hakapik (it is not a club in the sense most people think of it) is a specially designed tool that had been shown in every study done to be among the most humane was of hunting seals. Though it should be noted that the majority of the kills in the Canadian seal hunt are done with high powered rifles and not the hakapik. It should also be noted that some 60% of the animal is used by the sealers (meat, fat, skin) and the rest is eaten by scavenger birds and fish. This is an amount equal to or greater than most commercial slaughterhouse operations.

      • Chris H.

        Chad,

        you are missing my point completely…

      • TrueMetis

        Than what is your point?

      • From MN, with hope…

        Most people who hate Japan hate them for the gov’ts actions. Same reason most hate America, it’s what our gov’t does that makes them hate us. At least that’s how it works for me.

      • Chris H.

        Chad, first of all you will notice that my comment was addressed to romika, not to you, and it was a response to his previous comment. So, to understand my comment, you should go back and read romika’s comment first. Try to understand what romika is saying about cultural “hertiage”, and then reread my comment, and see if you can follow the conversation this time.

        Reading comprehension does not seem to be your strong suit, does it?

      • TrueMetis

        Chris

        I believe it your writing that is at fault as is your use of fallacies. (comparing modern hunts with cannibalism if that’s not a straw man then nothing is)

      • Chris H.

        Chad,

        since you failed to comprehend my point, yet again, let me reiterate it in simple language that you might understand.

        Both killing and eating whales, and killing and eating humans, are both traditional food related practices that have no place in modern civilized societies.

        Was that simple enough for you, or do I have to get out some pencil crayons and draw you a picture?

        Blink once for “yes” and twice for “no”…

      • David

        But hunting, killing and eating humans has been made illegal every where I know of. Hunting, killing and eating whales is still legal in many places.

      • TrueMetis

        Chris

        Again this is a straw man, hunting and eating whales is nothing like the practice of cannibalism. Cannibalism didn’t end because it had no place in “civilized society.” It ended because of the health issues involved and human meat is a piss poor source of nutrients. Most of the cultures that practiced cannibalism (whether ritually or as a food source) couldn’t care less what other cultures thought of them. Of course there are still many instances of cannibalism today, usually for survival purposes with many of the people doing it from so called “civilized society.” So much for that thought.

  • romika3

    So may messeage to Michelle Rodriguez, Emily Deschanel, Kristin Bauer, Isabel Lucas, Beau Bridges, Flea, Perrey Reeves, Lindsay Price, Daryl Hannah, Curtis Stone, Richard Dean Anderson, and Ken Jordan is you folks really have to step back and ask yourself why your are supporing the SSCS and if the perhaps there is a better avenue to spend your hard earned money. For example if you support the SSCS because you disagree with the Canadain seal hunt then firest you must have an understanding of the issue, the fisherpersons and their culture, and of course the economics of the hunt. If not you will end up like Paul McCarthy, God bless him. He was drawen into the seal protest and he didn’t even know what proviene he was in when interviewed by CBC and the premier of Newfoundland and Labrador. He made a fool if himself.

    • Imforthewhales

      Romika3, you are like a real stinker of a movie, your prose is the equivalent of fingernails scraping down a blackboard.

      Lucky i love bad movies,hey.

      PS do you get overtime for working on a Sunday?

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS ; THEY DO KEEP COMING BACK..

      • Boo Radley

        I love the smell of a good troll.

      • imforthewhales

        I consider trolls to be a necessary evil.

        We don’t want to kill them off…they do a good job on here. Plus its better to keep them busy here rather then elsewhere. Plus, we are costing the Japanese whaling industry money with every word they write back to us * via the checks Glen Inwood writes out under the payment for propaganda scheme :)

    • From MN, with hope…

      Why is it that celebrities can’t be like normal people? What if they DO know about the issues? Or how about if they just want to be a part of it to stop the killing? I admit, it always seems fuzzy if someone ‘popular’ gets into it, but why can’t they be like normal people?

      • romicka3

        Have you noticed how SSCS, PETA and the HSUS prey on celebrities usually making the first contact through their agents or handlers.The celebrity then gets involved for two reasons first the need to broaden they “reconigition” and secondly their accountants (agents) are constanting looking for new tax write-offs. The celebritity in most cases gets a short briefing and an meeting with photo opts with Watson or who ever is at the head of the particualar organization. I have to say here that there are celebrities who “think” and control their involvement but they are few and far between. There is also the “bandwagon” effect when celebrities join because others are there. Watson obviously is working hard on this one as you can see by his proposed hosting of the 23 event with only the “Holywood” crowd there. Make you think doesn’t it!!!!

      • http://www.Seashepherd.org Captain Paul Watson

        I see that Romicka 3 is still trolling as a paid poster for the Institute for Cetacean Research. As usual he does not have the foggiest idea of what he is talking about. The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has never approached a single celebrity for support. Our celebrity supporters contacted us directly because they chose to do so.

        This Romicka3, who posts what the ICR wants him to post just makes this crap up as he trolls along. Romika3 Why don’t you tell the readers if they pay you by the posting or are you on salary?

        My question to you Romicka3 is how many celebrity supporters does ICR have and what happened to Romicka 1 and Romicka 2 and will you be replaced by Romicka4? Inquiring minds need to know this stuff. lol

      • Chris H.

        I think that romika3 is associated with these guys:

        http://www.sealharvest.ca/

        and this guy too:

        http://www.thesealfishery.com/index.php

      • From MN, with hope…

        Thank you, Paul, for that. Please romika, enlighten us.

        But my point is that celebrities can’t be treated as normal people, and in general, that’s just wrong. Might the be ulterior motives? Maybe. But why can’t they be normal people who are educated on the matter and truly care. For all you know I’m Richard Dean Anderson, or Pierce Brosnan. What keeps them from being educated on the issues? They can use their popularity for support on the matter. In the ads against the Taiji dolphin slaughter you pay more attention to the message, not the actors and actress’.

        This troll sure doesn’t help his issue.

        And for the last time I AM NOT AN OPEN OR EDUCATED SUPPORTER OF THE HUMANE SOCIETY OR PETA. JUST SEA SHEPHERD.

      • Chris H.

        Celebrities have a right to their opinions, just like everybody else.

        Of course, there are some people out there on the interwebbiespace who would like to deny celebrities that right.

        Somehow though, I don’t recollect hearing romika3 or RadicalOmnivore say that Ted Nugent should just keep his opinions to himself…

      • Chris H.

        Btw, for some semi-interesting reading, take a look at romika3′s Huffington Post comments section.

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/romika3?action=comments

        Start at the earliest posts (which, to be honest, are quite reasonable…) and note how he slowly radicalizes over the last 12-15 months as he realizes that most people do not support his views on the Canadian seal hunt and whaling.

        You almost end up feeling sorry for the guy…

      • boo radley

        yes that is semi interesting, thanks for posting.

  • joe

    well i think theyve decided to give up on listing to advice from a few random fans. we all know how the earthrace/ady gil worked out.

    now, what would be good is the cyclone class from the navy. bout 50% faster then the gil, its got a ramp on the back for launching boats, plus its a navy ship. if the shonan tryed anything funny theyd end up malot worse off then the ady. course, doubt the navy would be sellling one any time soon.

    • Chris H.

      joe,

      Cyclone class patrol ships are actually slower than the Earthrace/Addy Gil.

      The Ady Gil could do 40 knots (about 74 km/h), whereas the Cyclone class ships can do only 35 knots (65 km/h).

      Besides, most of the Cyclone class ships have been recalled and decommissioned due to hull fatigue.

      • Cho cho ma

        They only require a refit.

      • Chris H.

        True, but refitting an entire hull can be expensive…

        Btw, I’m not completely dismissing the idea that SSCS’s new fast intercept vessel is a Cyclone class patrol ship from the U.S. Navy or Coast Guard. It very well may be. It would be consistent with the information that SSCS has already released, regarding top speed, and it does look like the U.S. Navy is decommissioning them.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone_class_patrol_ship

  • romicka3

    Mr. Watson, this is the normal procedure used by organizations to solicited funds. Perhaps some celebrities approach SSCS but I can comfortably state that the majority are approached by the organization. Regarding the ICR, they don’t have a branch in this part of the country!!! Bottomline, we disapprove of your methods, your methods boarder on terror in practice, they attack directly the common fisherperson and not the issue, SSCS is not a conservation organization. We (the fishermen of eastern Canada) are still dealing with your legacy here. Begin making things right. The Harp seal is not endangered, the population has increased form 2.5 million to 7.5 million, the harvest is legle, managed and sustainable. Remove references to the Canadian seal harvest from SSSC web page and we will go on our merry way.

    • AnimuX

      You can’t comfortably state anything because, as you are not even a member of Sea Shepherd, you don’t know anything about it.

      This anti-environmental antagonist clearly states his motivation for continuing to attack SSCS on a daily basis.

      He demands, “remove references to the Canadian seal harvest from SSSC web page and we will go on our merry way.”

      So the scumbag Canadians who annually kill thousands of baby seals with rifles and clubs to sell the skins for “fashion” and profit have officially launched their own anti-environmental campaign right here on Ecorazzi.

      • romika3

        We are quite familiar with the workings SSCS. Watson claims (there are many video clips of these) to be a policeman, to up hold the laws, to protect endangered species, to attack poachers etc etc. The harp seal and the harp seal harvest fits under neither of these. Recently a number of SSCS members have stated the SSCS is out of the seal business. There is now more money in whales than seals. (remember the great quote on CBC “there is no money in dolphins but the is money in seals. So my friends are they still posting their propaganda because they are still interested in the donations that the seal harvest brings in and of course keeping the myth alive!!!! Scumbag Canadians you say, well if that’s the best you got that’s your problem not ours. Perhaps you should take a few name calling lessons.

      • AnimuX

        I have to appreciate such effectively vague statements from anti-environmentalist antagonists.

        I’ve never seen Paul Watson “claim to be a policeman”. Referring to ones self as enforcing international law is not the same as literally saying, “I’m a police man and here is my government issued badge.”

        However, Watson actually has thwarted poachers and physically acted to protect endangered species.

        Regardless of what people are donating more for, or which species is more visible to the public, Sea Shepherd has worked to protect both seals and whales as well as sharks, blue fin tuna, and other marine life (gee is there any money in saving tuna?!?!).

        In classic form the antagonists make some wild claims:

        1) They claim the environmentalists are just puting on a show in order to scam money off of good people.

        FACT: Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has received high ratings as a charity organization for using its donations for operational purposes (ie: only a small percentage for overhead like salaries and administrative costs)

        2) They claim the environmentalists just pick “cute” species to win over people emotionally.

        FACT: Sea Shepherd has gone after environmentally destructive and illegal trawling and drift net operations, illegal shark finners, and even companies over-exploiting Mediterranean tuna. (ie: not just whales and seals)

        So apparently YOU are not familiar with the workings of SSCS.

        The real purveyor of propaganda is, as usual, the anti-conservationist antagonist whose stated purpose here is to malign Sea Shepherd on a daily basis because the group opposes the brutal, environmentally destructive, and morally indefensible Canadian seal hunt.

        There are not enough derogatory words in the English language to properly describe the men who club defenseless wild baby animals to death for pocket change.

      • romika3

        So, what are you trying to say?? Are you also one of those brain washed fellows.

      • AnimuX

        There is no “brainwashing” involved in being horrified by the brutal and unnecessary slaughter of thousands of baby seals for luxury items like coats.

        Likewise, reasonable people are disgusted by the way the few countries that continue commercial whaling have completely ignored and outright violated international agreements.

        Just as people are sickened by the destruction of natural ecosystems (also often unnecessary) as standard practice of world industries.

        It is not unreasonable to want clean air, ‘artificial chemical’ free food, and water free of industrial impurities.

        It is not unreasonable to want to preserve both the beauty of natural landscapes and the life on shore and in the sea.

        It is not unreasonable to desire the elimination of cruel exploitation of animals in all aspects of business, science and entertainment.

      • romika3

        My point was….. Watson claims one thing and does the other. You can continue to eat banannas and drink vegetable soup through you nose until it comes out your ears. The ponit is, clear and simple, the Canadian Seal hunt, is legal, managed, and sustainable.

      • AnimuX

        The Canadian seal hunt is nothing more than a government sponsored organized orgy of blood thirsty beating of baby wild animals. The majority of Canadians oppose it. If the sealers were beating puppies and kittens to death to make coats out of them they’d be thrown in jail. However, certain Canadian politicians love the killing just like the sick fiends who participate in these hunts.

        Paul Watson may be controversial but he has actively confronted fishermen, sealers, whalers, shark finners, poachers and more for the last 35 years.

        He’s gone out to sea with little cash and no press and he’s gone out with millions in donations and television camera crews. He’s not disappearing to some secret mansion with a golden parachute made of donations only to reappear when the money is short.

        The man continues on his singular obsession to stop the over-exploitation and ultimate destruction of marine life. From what I can tell, most of what he says and does is, in fact, dedicated to this task now as it has been for decades.

    • Chris H.

      romicka3 (aka, romika3, romika4)

      I’m just wondering, how many different identities/accounts do you have?

      Which organizations are you affiliated with?

      Do you receive any funding from any of these organizations?

      In the interests of transparency and full disclosure, I think that it would be prudent for you to disclose this information voluntarily.

      • romika3

        Awful wanted rancorous bonehead

        Ha! Cow saboteur

        Phoniest conformer mesh

        Have fun!!!!

      • romika3

        “I think that it would be prudent for you to disclose this information voluntarily” is this a threat? If you can’t run with the big dogs then sit on the deck

      • Chris H.

        So, I take it that you don’t want to answer any of those questions.

        Is that correct?

      • imforthewhales

        This remark has been removed due to a violation of our commenting policy.

      • romika3

        You have your answer. Its an anagram!!!

      • Chris H.

        I see that you are incapable of giving straight-forward answers to straight-forward questions.

        I’m not at all surprised by that fact.

  • romika3

    “The Canadian seal hunt is nothing more than a government sponsored organized orgy of blood thirsty beating of baby wild animals. The majority of Canadians oppose it. If the sealers were beating puppies and kittens to death to make coats out of them they’d be thrown in jail. However, certain Canadian politicians love the killing just like the sick fiends who participate in these hunts” This description doesn’t sound at all like the Canadain Seal Harvest. Sounds like a description of a bunch of Hollywood folk at SSCS art sale.

    “The man continues on his singular obsession to stop the over-exploitation and ultimate destruction of marine life” The Harp seal population is not over-exploited (only 1%) of the population harvested in 2010 and the harvesting of Harp seal has no impact on the sustainabilty of other marine species in the North Atlantic. It is managed, monitored, and sustainable. And of course a money maker for SSCS, PETA, HSUS and 17 other organzations.

    Paul Watson and the SSCS is an eco-terrorist organization and they use terrorist methods to acheive their goals.

  • http://www.Seashepherd.org Captain Paul Watson

    I don’t know why I even bother to reply. I guess I’m just slightly bored today. This accusation that Sea Shepherd is an eco-terrorist organization is getting old. What eco-terrorist “crimes” have we been charged with? We certainly have not been convicted of any acts of “eco-terrorism.” We are not under investigation by the F.B.I. for anything. None of us are on any no fly lists? Japan says they have an arrest warrant for me but they have not said what it is and certainly have not informed me about it. Sea Shepherd is a tax deductible charitable organization in a dozen countries. Sea Shepherd has successfully passed two major audits with the U.S. I.R.S. So where does all this “terrorist” jive talk come from? I’ll tell you where it comes from – it comes from the constant flow of propaganda by paid P.R. agents of the Institute for Cetacean Research and the Newfoundland Sealer’s Association. There is not a shred of credibility in any of these accusations. I have been doing what I have been doing for forty years without being sued and without a single conviction for a felony crime. It really is all very amusing but the name calling and the pathetic attempts to label us as terrorists has amounted to absolutely nothing. No one in a position of authority or responsibility listens to any of this trolling and smear campaigning. All it does is illustrate that we are effective because if we were not there simply would not be this much negative energy being directed towards us by the few insignificant and essentially impotent flacks and trolls. But hey, I understand that when you can no longer make a living from skinning seals alive or stabbing dolphins to death, you may have to whore yourself out the groups like the I.C.R. It’s your job, I get it and quite frankly I prefer you wasting your time attacking Sea Shepherd and I than brutalizing some poor creature somewhere. So do carry on because controversy stokes the fires of change.

    • From MN, with hope…

      We all have our bored days Admiral. Up next there will be accusations about you being in jail, and next will be the whole ‘felony’ debate once again. They are obviously angry with you and Sea Shepherd because you are effective at what you do. But trolls will keep trollin’ as long as you are doing what you’re doing or as long as you’ve done what you’ve done. Best hope is to just let them be. Or cut their web access. Whatever works.

      • David

        You are right. No reason to debate the fact of Mr Watson’s felony conviction. The simple link to the court record has been posted at ecorazzi so many times that there really is no debate.

      • From MN, with hope…

        I meant it’s the cycle of the debate. Paul says there aren’t any convictions against Sea Shepherd, you pro-whalers come back and pull out Paul’s convictions. I mean there’s no reason to debate the lack of convictions against Sea Shepherd.

      • David

        You mean Paul lies about the fact that he has a felony conviction. Someone posts the links that proves it. Paul shuts up and hopes people forget so he can try the same lie again in a few months.

      • boo radley

        Sadly, these guys can no longer be called pro whalers. they are just a bunch of sealers with an ax to grind because now they cant sell baby seals to Europe.

        Their passion for whaling is not there and never was, so their pro whaling arguments are just payback for the success in hurting the cruel slaughter of the seals in Canada.

        Which of course leaves the Japanese whalers ever more out in the cold on their lonesome with less support than at first it appeared.

        Even if the trolls were truly behind whaling, can you imagine an industry such as the commercial whaling industry relying on these guys to win the whale war?

        Not likely!

      • From MN, with hope…

        david, that isn’t even close. Paul said nothing about his convictions, just Sea Shepherd’s, or rather the lack of convictions against Sea Shepherd.

        Boo, it appears you’re right. I guess anti-SSCS works as well.

      • David

        You really need to take a course in reading comprehension From MN, with hope…

        “I have been doing what I have been doing for forty years without being sued and without a single conviction for a felony crime.”

        So I guess he was talking about himself, that is what the pronoun “I” means, and not SSCS.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Than you need to take a class in how to pop that ego.

        So it would appear… My bad. Mixed words up in my head. Not that it hasn’t happened to anyone else, it just means I’m willing to admit when I’ve made a mistake. Sorry!

    • imforthewhales

      Ill tell you where these accusations come from Captain…they come from the data base of the ICR…whenever the “reply to” box comes up, then romika 3 and his cash for commenting bum chums look through the pre-programed list of things to say. they have been taught to highlight these comments and then press “send”, just like trained monkeys:)

      Of course some of them miss out on their daily dose of medication and start to fly off the handle…then they are really start to display their hidden characteristics…

      But it sall good. people get sick of hearing the same clap trp over and over again. “Eco terrorist’”…a fancy name dreamed up by the ICR to describe people that get int he way of their bloody profits, has lost all of its meaning. People have heard it so many times, over and over again like a bad Glen Inwood record, it has lost its flavour (that is, if it ever had any in the first place).

      Carry on , yes indeed…because with every word they write on here and elsewhere is time…and cash spilling forth from the coffers of the ICR.

      • http://www.Seashepherd.org Captain Paul Watson

        Violations of the silly Orwellian Seal Protection Regulations that make it a misdemeanor crime for witnessing the killing of a seal are hardly “felony” convictions. They are Dept of Fisheries regulations.

        I do not and never have had a single felony conviction. A felony conviction is an indictable offense punishable by a minimum a a year in prison.

        I have never been convicted of any crime in the USA and I have an unblemished FBI record. My only convictions in Canada have been for interfering with the seal hunt and the overfishing of cod – all of which were minor offenses.

        If I were a felon, I would not be able to get a passport or vote or be bonded.

        These accusations of my having felony convictions are a bogus and just another attempt at demonization by the public relation whores who work for the nature destruction industry. No basis in truth and no basis in reality.

      • Chris H.

        It is interesting to note that the Canadian “Seal Protection Regulations” are not actually designed to protect seals, they are designed to help people to kill seals without interference from other people who disagree with the practice.

        The regulations were enacted in the mid 1960s, so I guess George Bush, and his Administration, were not the first politicians to attach misleading names to legislation.

      • David

        Come on ‘Paul’, you know we are not talking about the Seal Protection Regulations.

        ‘Paul’ please stop lying. I know it is hard, but you were convicted of a felony in Canada with a possible 10 year sentence. Note 10 years is more than 1 year, so by your own words it was and is a felony conviction.

      • Chris H.

        David,

        I think that if you are going to make accusations like that, then you need to back it up with some evidence. Which incident are you talking about? What year did it occur in? Do you have any links to valid news sites, or court documents, that confirm your allegations?(Pro-whaling & pro-sealing sites don’t count…)

        Remember that defamation of character is a crime in and of itself.

      • David

        Well Chris the links to the court records at the court website have been posted on this site at least 4 times by myself and many more times by others.

        I do notice that you have no problem with ‘Paul’ accusing people with no proof. Remember that defamation of character is a crime in and of itself.

      • Chris H.

        David,

        if you have links to the court documents, you should post them each time you make the accusation. You need to realize that just because a person reads the comments on one article on a website, it doesn’t mean that they’ve read every comment on every article on that website. If you can find the time to make the accusation, then you can find the time to post the link to support that accusation.

        Without posting the link, you’re just blowing smoke…

        Btw, how’s the weather in Tokyo?

      • Chris H.

        David,

        as far as Paul making accusations, let me just say, it took less than 5 minutes for me to link both you and Radicalomnivore to Glenn Inwood, and I’m just an individual, with relatively few resources. I’m sure that Paul has got more info on you, RO, and romika than he knows what to do with, and I’m also sure that he would be more than happy to share that information in court. That is, if you ever choose to visit the U.S., Australia, or Canada.

        In the meantime, let’s just share some of your correspondence with Glenn Inwood with the rest of the good people on ecorazzi, shall we?

        http://twitter.com/#!/davidattokyo

      • Chris H.

        Let’s try that again:

        http://twitter.com/#!/davidattokyo

        and add a link to his blog:

        http://david-in-tokyo.blogspot.com/

        This guy has spent more than 6 years ranting against anti-whaling groups… He must be on the payroll.

      • Chris H.

        Okay, anyone that wants to see David’s twitter feed will have to cut and paste that URL into the address bar at the top of their browser page, because the link is not working properly.

      • David

        Well Chris if you had used just 30 seconds of those 5 minutes you could have used google. I immediately found 2 ecorazzi links to discussion with the links and at least 1 blog with the links.

        Since I live in the US, Paul can file his lawsuit whenever he pleases. He won’t because he knows I am right. But you can ask him why he won’t. You can also ask him why he won’t provide his proof of romika3′s affiliation, which he has been asked to do.

        As to you impressive detective skills. I am not in Tokyo and I don’t have a blog. You do realize David is a very common name? And you don’t even know if it is my first, middle or last name. Heck you don’t even know if it is my real name. Maybe I use a pseudonym so fanatics who try and search out anti-SSCS people can’t find out any more than I decide to release.

        Ecorazzi moderators can verify that my IP is in the US if they want, just like they verify Paul Watson’s posts.

      • http://www.ecorazzi.com Michael dEstries

        Yes, David’s IP is U.S. based. Moving on, everyone…

      • Chris H.

        Micheal,

        FYI:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address_spoofing

        David is an IT professional, and this is well within the scope of his abilities.

      • David

        I spoof my IP but don’t think to use a different name? Yeah that is believable.

        Actually I work in waste remediation.

      • Chris H.

        David,

        I notice that you still have not posted any links to support your assertion that Paul Watson is a convicted felon.

        You have had more than 36 hours to post those links, and you have made several visits to this page during that period.

        From your failure to post these links, I can only conclude that your initial claims are false and without merit. Now, all that remains is for you to retract your accusations of Paul Watson, and to apologize to Captain Watson and the other participants on this site. It’s the only decent thing to do.

      • David

        I have posted the links numerous times, you just haven’t made the effort to look at them. But tell you what, I will give you the beginning, you can use your awesome detective skills from there.

        http://www.canlii.org/en/nl/nlca/

        I will apologize to Paul as soon as he posts proof of his accusations against romika3, for claiming he had no proof. No need to apologize for stating the fact that he is a convicted felon.

      • Chris H.

        David,

        perhaps you don’t understand how discussions work… Let me explain:

        You made the accusation, so you are obligated to provide the evidence/proof. I am not going to do your leg-work for you.

        So far, in this thread, all you have done is make accusations, without providing any evidence to substantiate your claims, despite being asked to do so several times. This severely affects your credibility. If you are interested in restoring your credibility, you will post the appropriate links to support your claims, or you will retract your claims.

        No more vague hints or wild goose chases. You either have the evidence, or you don’t. Which is it?

      • boo radley

        David@tokyo actually got a piece published in the Tokyo times recently as well.

    • romika3

      Perhaps to respond to this pseudo Paul Watson post, has we are all aware that this is not Mr. Waston’s writing style. In the past Romik3’s have been clear in saying that the SSCS uses terrorist tactics to achieve their goals. These tactics are visible for all to seen and can be easily classified as such. The fact that these have not, as you say, lead to death and harm, by no means gives the organization licence to do utilize such methods. Secondly the activities of this organization does not go beyond the shallow harassment of the common fisherperson, the cocktail parties, the hobnobbing with the rich and famous and the constant search for funds for activities that really in the big picture have made no long term difference other that causing individuals to dig their heels and then deal with the seeds of hate that this organization along with a few others have planted in their wake when they move on the better campaigns that have a greater fund raising and media potential and visibility. SSCS ability to even gather basic data was clearly pointed on when Waston was asked about the present extent of whale populations in the south ocean. His answer “I don’t know” tells a lot about his organization In his reference to the Newfoundland Sealers Association, which has not been active from many years, again demonstrates the lack of basic knowledge about the present state of the harp seal and it management from a resources perspective.
      To move on to Sea Shepherd believes the following about the Canadian seal slaughter:
      • The slaughter of seals is incredibly cruel (a post mortem survey has shown that 42% of these babies are skinned alive)
      This is incorrect
      • It is a threat to the survival of the species
      The population of the hart seal has increased from 2.5 to 7.5 million since the early ninties only .1percent of the population harvested in 2010. The harvest is now managed, monitored, legal and sustainable.
      • It is a threat to the survival of cod
      This is one of the biggest myths. The seal harvest does not threaten the survival of the cod. This pager http://www.springerlink.com/content/93283h0xr87k2235/ is a good overview of the stomach contents of the harp seal prior to 1993, when the moratorium was brought in.
      • It is a slaughter done mainly for unessential, vanity, and luxury items, and therefore, is unnecessary
      The harvest of the harp seal is part of the annual fishing cycle and the products include meat, oils etc.
      • It is unethical to slaughter newborn seal pups (About 95% of the seals to be slaughtered are babies less than four weeks old)

    • RadicalOmnivore

      Watson loves the Eco-Terrorist label. It enobles him and gives him a straw man to beat on.
      Fact is that Watson and his cute middle class food fascists from nice homes are mere garden variety yuppie approved hate mongers; nothing more.

      If you can eat a halibut or a deer then you can eat a whale.
      Anything else is simple manipulation of prejudice for cash.
      Pretty heinous stuff but as Watson has shown there’s money in hate!

      • Chris H.

        Actually, you’re the one that sounds like a “hate monger”…

      • imforthewhales

        radical savage omnivore more like.

        Sounds like Glen Inwood himself.

  • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

    “controversy stokes the fire of change.”
    Thats very true, Cap’tain. Without these paid trolls with their shallow arguments and name throwing like “eco terrorist!” this anti whaling debat wouldnt have any public oponents. Imagine a debat with only people who agree that whaling should be stopped ? Pretty boring. People like yummy controversy and people like to argue with a troll (yeah, cap, admit it, you like it !) especially since they dumber and dumb. So in short, these underpaid trolls doing a good job by keeping this debat in the public eye such as on forums, and by keeping this debat alive and spicy.
    and now, cap’n, no more trolling bashing for you on forums, your job is to kick some REAL butt out there.

    • RadicalOmnivore

      The vast majority of people in the world are quite tolerant of what other folks eat and whale eating is no exception.
      It has taken literally BILLIONS of dollars to create the “Save The Whales” meme. BILLIONS of dollars that come from digging holes, netting fish, felling trees and all the rest of what makes a buck today.
      It was only a few years ago that American magazines were putting articles sympathetic to whalers on their covers and articles explaining the minority food culture. It was clear the billion dollar stigma was fading and the meme was having trouble making the transition from the top down Old Media days it came from to the information age.

      Suddenly the Commercial Food Fascists couldn’t depend on one way top down communications. People were communicating and learning from each other directly.
      The meme was losing vitality and with it its cash value and if the meme fades then more people start asking why we’ve spent three decades dressing up food prejudice as “Environmentalism” and attacking some of the most sustainable resource users around.

      What we’ve seen for the past couple of years is a panicked attempt to revitalize a lucrative meme with huge amounts of money and media time.
      Despite this amazingly crass expenditure, the meme is on a relentless spiral into irrelevance.
      Contrary to decades past, the internet is replete with regular individuals, moms and pops, students, accountants and people from all walks of life that are increasingly seeing past the prejudice and manipulation and don’t like being taken for fools. Increasingly folks are finding out for themselves how groups like the Sea Sheep have hijacked environmentalism to sell a radical chic lifestyle pose and package “Action”.
      Regular folks are learning the difference between Conservation and the animal rights fantasies of urban eccentrics and they are doing so for themselves contrary to Watson’s panicked conspiracies where everyone under the sun is a secret agent for the eeevil forces of whale munching.
      Real folks are doing it for themselves despite being bombarded by billions of dollars in propaganda.

      It’s invigorating to see Watson having to waste his time on here and elsewhere targeting Glenn Innwood and anyone else who disagrees with him. The fact that Watson has to pen hit pieces on Innwood that have more to do with character assassination than anything conservation related he understands how weak the meme has become and has to respond by inventing conspiracies to feed it He can see the writing on the wall.

      The other powerful foundations that have been the puppeteers and financial beneficiaries of the “Save the Whales” meme see the writing on the wall too and that’s why they’re cutting the Sea Sheep loose.
      They can’t afford to have Watson and his hateful groupies take things too far and make them look bad. It’s bad for their brand and the brand of the likes of Greenpeace and such is serious dollars. Those dollars are mainly from good people who are not vegans and have no truck with radical animal rights eccentricities. Those people need the barrage of misinformation and lies to shake a few dollars out of them. They don’t respond well however when they find out they’ve been conned.

      The fact that Whale Saving is now a TV show isn’t really much a development. Whale saving has been fabricated entertainment since the beginning when Robert Hunter would invent fanciful tales of whales fighting giant squid and then brag about how he was a “traitor to his profession”.

      The information age is death to hucksters and liars like Watson.
      Sure, there’ll always be a market for his brand of schtick just as we’ll always have anti-abortionists, white supremacists and other sundry tawdry intolerants but the glory days of being to lie, manipulate and demonize with impunity are over. Once you take those away from the cult of Fatson you find there isn’t much else left beyond hot air.

      Whales are food too. Say no to Hate Mongers posing as conservationists.
      Bon appetit.

      • AnimuX

        This is the biggest crap response yet from pro-whaling antagonists.

        For people who actually research the history of whaling:

        The “Save the Whales” movement was not the brain child of some random environmental organization looking for quick cash.

        In fact, it was born from an era of social change in the late 60s and 70s when whales were introduced to the public through the media. The public grew to adore whales thanks to Marineland, fictional shows like “Flipper” and informative television like The “Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau”.

        When people were “informed” about the fact that the world’s whaling industries were WIPING OUT whales on a global scale, “Save the Whales” was born.

        The first anti-whaling action that physically interfered with whaling was in 1975. It was carried out by a handful of young Greenpeace activists including Robert Hunter and Paul Watson. They went after Russian whalers in the North Pacific.

        “Save the Whales” and anti-whaling activism in general is NOT about food culture. It’s always been a negative reaction to the wholesale destruction of whales by the world’s whaling industries.

        What we can all expect to see is more industry funded campaigning against environmental activism such as the pro-whaling antagonists constantly attacking groups like Sea Shepherd here.

        The FACTS are that the world’s whaling industries systematically drove nearly every species of great whale to the brink of extinction. Political representation of these industries ignored scientific advice to regulate and later stop killing whales. Whaling nations have historically violated size limits, species protections, seasonal limits, sanctuary boundaries, trade restrictions and even facilitated pirate whaling all over the world (that’s front companies with foreign labor killing whales regardless of regulations without reporting the catches to “traditionally” smuggle the meat to Japanese markets).

        These antagonists all FAIL to argue about the facts of this issue. Instead they spend their time spinning emotionally charged tales in order to erode confidence in specific activists. (ie: it’s a smear campaign)

      • Chris H.

        RO,

        do you really think that people didn’t communicate directly with each other before the existence of the internet?

        Wow, you must be younger than I thought Jae!

  • http://www.Seashepherd.org Captain Paul Watson

    Can you imagine anyone wasting so much time doing “research” and spewing so much verbal diarrhea unless they were working for a public relations agency as this Radical Omnivore character most certainly is doing. The very name Radical Omnivore is a classic P.R. company construct. These guys are not even close to being talented in their field thus the assignment to troll social network sites oozing venomous self righteousness.

    Anyhow herwin has a point – having an opposition encourages controversy and having a really dumb bunch of opponents leans that controversy in our direction.

    I’m not complaining about the trolls. They have their use and they seem to be playing close to the script so far, so all is good in troll town.

    Appreciate your input AnimuX.

    • romika3

      Now folks that sounds like the real Paul Watson! By the way Paul you didn’t get any information at I work for ICR because I do not and you also know that I am more right than wrong. So perhaps on that note you might want to deal with the little issue of the “seal stuff”. Since SSCS is no longer in the business of seals then perhaps its time to take it off the shelf and distance youself from some of those active hate groups who claim you support them (perhaps you do). A simple request and if granted this “herd of trolls” will take their seal skin boots and move on to greener ice-flows.

      • imforthewhales

        How many are in the herd romika3?

        That isn’t you is it newfie?

    • TrueMetis

      This is the most pathetic argument ever, “anyone who disagrees with me must be a paid troll.” Coming from a pathological liar I’m not going to put a lot of trust into that. Have fun with your crew of unqualified misfits non-captain Watson.

    • Hufingraz

      Paul,
      This is a little off topic, but can you please tell us the truth about why Pete Bethune was let go? Ever since that whole racket, I have not been able to wear any of my Sea Shepherd clothing. Which sucks because my whole wardrobe consists of SS clothing. It just seems like there are lies coming from both sides, and more coming from SS, then from Pete. Also, do you know when that transcript was taken when Pete supposedly “ratted” on you? Was it taken after Sea Shepherd kicked Pete out the first time because of the bow and arrow? Why did you need to kick Pete out the first time, if you had a secret deal with the Japanese judges? Why would Japanese judges do a secret deal with Sea Shepherd? I just think if anyone with any intelligence, carefully reads everything that was put out by SS & Pete, the story just doesn’t make any sense. Also, can you please come clean on the “shooting” & “anthrax” scare? They were both obviously staged and I just want to hear the truth from you. I am having a hard time putting my support behind SS again because I feel like there are too many lies, and I don’t know what to believe anymore. The truth will not hurt you, it will only help you. Please just admit SS lied, so we can all move on from this.

      • boo radley

        Did you pay for the SS clothing?

  • imforthewhales

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g&feature=player_embedded#at=389

    For all the trolls,i urge you to watch this video. It explains why people are against the horrific slaughter of animals for greed. it goes into great detail about the thinking behind the environmentalist movement and those who oppose them.

    Watch and learn!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g&feature=player_embedded#at=389

  • romika3

    Folks gone for a week. Some fine soul sent me a airline ticket to LA and a ticket to the event on the 23th. See you all there. I guess being a “troll” has it perks. That’s all I can say.

    • Chris H.

      Now, that just confirms that you’re a liar, or delusional, or both.

      Invitations to buy tickets come only from SSCS, and there’s no way that they would invite you.

      Oh, and FYI, there are computers with internet access in L.A….

    • From MN, with hope…

      Maybe they want you there so they can see what they’re up against. You’re a bad example of that, I must say. There are much more quality ‘trolls’ on the board.

      Why would you be gone for a week? In this age you can get here from anywhere. I’ve posted from another place in the world, and have access to Ecorazzi via my phone, and anywhere with wifi. Especially LA. Maybe you can even find a place with computers already there.

      • David

        Well it is nice that your parents buy all those nice electronics for you, but some people may not have others to buy things for them.

        And maybe romika is going to take a vacation as part of the trip.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Pardon, but the phone was actually quite cheap with the rebate, which I obviously paid for myself. You can get to the internet from any phone, actually, not just a smart phone. Laptops are made for portability, plus are more practical than a desktop. Mine I got as a gift, but I can go out and buy another one right now if wanted to.

        And? I was on vacation when I visited here from 1/4 way around the world.

      • David

        No you can’t. My phone can’t access the internet.

        Well that shows dedication. But some people have actual vacation activities to take up their time when they are on vacation.

      • Chris H.

        This remark has been removed due to a violation of our commenting policy.

      • From MN, with hope…

        So I can’t be bored when on a vacation, or have time to myself and just thought I’d check this out? Do I NEED to have activities planned 24 hrs/day when I’m on vacation?

        Then you’re looking in the wrong place. It’s the ‘Internet’ icon in the menu. If it’s not on your plan it’ll cost a bundle. Unless you’ve got a phone that is more than 5 years old, at least. That’s the way it is where I’m at.

      • David

        First we were talking about romika3 not you. It may surprise you but many people don’t feel the need to be connected 24/7. They can keep from being bored without electronics.

        Also I don’t need you to try and explain phones to me. I told you my phone doesn’t connect to the internet, it doesn’t have an “Internet” icon. It doesn’t have any icons. It is a phone, it makes phone calls and receives phone calls.

      • From MN, with hope…

        I was responding to your criticism of me. Oh, trust me, I can stage off boredom pretty well myself. In fact the phone is off most of the day. Even when it is on I don’t use every little thing on it, or am on it constantly. Although it does help fight boredom in airports. And once again you didn’t actually read what I said. I said that’s what it is at least where I AM.

        I don’t get paid to do this, so if I go on vacation, I don’t log off ecorazzi, and count it as a vacation. I am dedicated to this cause, and if I’m bored I’ll occupy myself with this, among other things. Now I’m not accusing you of being one of those paid trolls, even though it may seem like it. Even though I have my suspicions I’m not going to voice them, because that just taints the debate.

      • David

        Nice passive/aggressive response there.

        Oh and yes you did accuse me of being of being paid.

      • From MN, with hope…

        Any passive aggressiveness expressed was not intended. And I clearly said that I wasn’t accusing YOU. It’s in general, to all anti-Sea Shepherd people here.

      • David

        “It’s in general, to all anti-Sea Shepherd people here.”

        Well I am an anti-Sea Shepherd person who is here. So you are admitting that you are accusing me of being a paid troll.

  • boo radley

    Have a great & enlightening trip romika3…its always good to have a few perks…you deserve it.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Nancy

    Wow- you guys have way too much time on yourh hands. David and Omni-loser, Ive read your posts before and its always rubbish. Go on and be miserable excuses for human beings, please take your drama somewhere else.

    • Chris H.

      Nancy,

      it appears to be a full time job for these guys. David is in regular contact with Glenn Inwood, and maintains a hateful stream of rhetoric against anti-whaling organizations and individuals through his blog ( http://david-in-tokyo.blogspot.com/ ) and his twitter account ( ).

      You will notice on his twitter account that the first two people he started following were Glenn Inwood and RadicalOmnivore. Coincidence? I don’t think so…

      • From MN, with hope…

        You sure this david is that david? I’ve thought that before but wasn’t exactly sure.

      • David

        No he isn’t sure. I guess I will have to take him to court for defamation unless he can provide proof.

    • David

      Yes some people who are out of touch with reality believe facts are rubbish.

      • Chris H.

        Actually David, I know exactly who you are, but, out of respect for ecorazzi’s commenting policy I will refrain from posting any more links to your information (even though you put that information on the net yourself…).

        I may just forward some of the information that I’ve found to Paul Watson, so that he has the option of pursuing libel charges if he chooses.

        In future, try to remember that you are never anonymous on the internet…

      • seashepherdsecurity

        30.594368- 96.349795

      • David

        I sure Paul will be thrilled to get your info.

        In the future try to remember the truth isn’t libel.

      • Chris H.

        @seashepherdsecurity

        that may be where his proxy server is located, but his physical location is in Shibuya Ward, Tokyo.

        http://www.texasproxy.com/

        This guy is no Texan. He was originally from Wellington, NZ (coincidence?). He moved to Japan in 2002 to work for PWC.

      • http://www.ecorazzi.com Michael dEstries

        Seems to me like some kind of chicken research facility across from, of all places, the George Bush Presidential Library.

      • boo radley

        that sounds like Glens mate, david@tokyo

        http://david-in-tokyo.blogspot.com/

      • Chris H.

        @boo radley

        Indeed it does…

  • David

    http://www.canlii.org/en/nl/nlca/doc/1999/1999canlii18935/1999canlii18935.html

    There you go Chris, all nice and spoon-fed just like you wanted.

    • Chris H.

      David,

      first of all, thank you for finally posting a link related to your accusation that Paul Watson has been convicted of a felony.

      Now, let’s take a look at the content of that document that you linked to, shall we?

      First of all the document is a ruling on an appeal filed by Paul Watson’s lawyer, J. David Eaton, relating to a trial in which Paul Watson was sentenced to 30 days for throwing a bottle of butyric acid onto the deck of the Cuban fishing vessel, the “Rio Las Casas”. The conviction was made for “committing mischief in relation to property”. Apparently, the extent of the damage was so severe that “crew of the “Rio Las Casas” [had] to rid the vessel of the acid by washing it off with water”. Oh, my word, that sounds serious!

      The 30 day sentence was only given because, in the Judges’ words:

      “Finally, while the consequences of the appellant’s actions were minimal, individual and general deterrence could not be satisfied by a discharge in the circumstances of this particular case.”

      In every sense of the word, this conviction was a misdemeanor, not a felony. Let me remind you that there is no such legal ruling in Canada as a “felony”. In jurisdictions that do still issue felony convictions, such as the United States, the definition of a felony is as follows:

      http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/F/Felony.aspx

      and the definition of a misdemeanor is:

      http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/M/Misdemeanor.aspx

      Now David, you can do all the semantic gymnastics that you can muster, but any unbiased person with some semblance of intelligence will be able recognize that the crime that Paul Watson was convicted of was not a “felony”.

      • David

        Thank you for proving my point for me. Try reading YOUR definitions.

        “Misdemeanor definition:
        (USA) A crime of lesser seriousness than a felony where the punishment might be a fine or prison for less than one year.”

        You see that the definition is based on what the punishment may be not what is actually given. It means a bank robber that gets a short sentence due to a plea deal has still committed a felony.

        Well the punishment for Paul’s conviction is up to 10 years. That throws it clearly into YOUR felony definition.

  • David

    So now I have more credibility than you or Paul since I followed YOUR rules of discussion and provided proof of my statement. Are you and Paul going to follow suit or are you both going to just live without credibility?

    • Chris H.

      Unfortunately not, since the document that you linked to did not prove your accusation.

      • David

        So you are back to lying. Just how does it not prove that he was convicted of a felony?

        The original court case is not online, but it is kind of hard to appeal a conviction without first being convicted and since he lost the appeal that means the conviction was upheld. Now what about that is too hard for you to understand.

      • boo radley

        Nothing ever does…but they keep wishing it were so.

      • TrueMetis

        David

        Not to rain on you parade here but the link you posted shows he was convicted of a summary conviction offense, the equivalent of a misdemeanor. That’s not to say he hasn’t been convicted of a indictable offense (the equivalent of a felony)

        In 1980 he was charged and fined $8000 and 10 days in jail for his actions during a seal hunt protest. He was also convicted of assaulting a police officer.

        http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=1GUxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oqQFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1227,81403&dq=paul+watson+convicted&hl=en

        There are many other charges, against both Watson and seashepard in general, that I’m in the process of verifying.

      • David

        Paul Watson was convicted of 403(3) at a JURY trial. Only indictable offense go to jury trials. And the penalty he faced was up to 10 years in prison. The possible sentence and the fact it was tried as an indictable offense makes it the equivalent of a felony.

      • TrueMetis

        David

        Ah my mistake I missed that part, I was looking at his sentence which was small so I though it was a summary conviction offense. Well in any event you now have two examples of him being convicted of an indictable offense, so much for his “I’ve never been convicted” carp.

      • David

        TrueMetis,

        Someone had to point it out to me a year or two ago. That and the different terms used in the Canadian court system versus the US court system made it harder to understand.

        I assume that he has gotten away with it for years because until recently the SSCS has been so obscure that no one cared enough to look deeper. But something that Paul seem to forget is the more visible and bigger you and your group are the more people looking and the closely you will be looked at.

        I believe the Black Fish thing is an example of them learning. Years ago the SSCS would have claimed credit even if they weren’t involved, like they did for some of the whale boat sabotage in Iceland and Norway years ago. But now with a higher profile they have to be more careful about their reputation and possible legal consequences.

  • Chris H.

    @ David

    “So you are back to lying”… There you go “poisoning the well” again.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

    As you can see above, I posted a response detailing why the link that you provided does not prove your original accusation. The comment was awaiting moderation for over 24 hrs, presumably because of the links, plus the fact that Micheal & Megan were busy with the SSCS fundraiser on Saturday.

    I accept your explanation that the original court documents are not online, and so you posted the appeal document. I consider that to be fair. However, I feel it necessary to repeat that the document that you linked to does not show that Paul Watson was convicted of a “felony”. It is quite clear that the conviction was for a minor offense of property damage, and it’s even debatable as to whether any permanent damage was caused to the Cuban vessel.

    It appears that you wish to smear Paul Watson with the “convicted felon” label in order to impact the fund raising abilities of the SSCS, as well as attempting to give your own indefensible (IMO) position more credibility. This is a libelous action under the laws of many countries, including NZ. You may be safe from prosecution while you remain in Japan, but you may have to be careful if you choose to go back home to Wellington.

    Btw, the ICR gravy train will eventually run out of steam. Have you and Glenn given any thought as to which immoral industries you will front for after that? I hear there’s lots of money in international arms dealing, or defending the reputations of pharmaceutical companies that care more about profits than the impacts that some of their products have on the lives of people who take them. Just a thought…

    • David

      I currently am home, in the US, where I am and always have been a citizen.

      The crime he was convicted of has a possible penalty of 10 years making it a felony by YOUR definition. And by your responses you are IMO a FLOB, and I learn many years ago how to deal with them.

      • Chris H.

        FLOB?

        That’s a new one for me… You’ll have to elaborate.

      • Chris H.

        David said:

        “I currently am home, in the US, where I am and always have been a citizen.”

        Sorry David, I don’t believe that for one second…

        The ultimate proof that Paul Watson was not convicted of a felony is that he is routinely issued visas to travel internationally. If he was a convicted felon he would be denied visas and be unable to cross international borders.

        The incident involving the Cuban fishing vessel was a minor incident that would not have even resulted in the 30 day sentence that he received if he had shown remorse and issued an apology to the Cuban fishermen. You try to make it sound like the guy is guilty of murder, or some similar crime.

        Your continual attempts to smear this man are morally repugnant to me, just as your continued support for the barbaric practice of whaling is repugnant. I hope that some day you will recognize the despicable nature of your actions, and feel an appropriate measure of remorse. Perhaps when you mature a little and begin to realize that life is not all about numbers and laws passed by corrupt bureaucrats, you will recognize the beauty and the value of living things.

    • ednakano

      It is true Paul Watson arretsed and got guilty sentences. Ses shephred also have mny list of crime in its history. Now SSCS tired to use their unofficial subsidiaries (like Blach fish) to crime.