by Michael dEstries
Categories: Animals.
Photo: Nail Ale

The title of “World’s Most Expensive Beer” shifted from Scotland to Australia last night where a single bottle of Antarctic Nail Ale sold for $800.

The limited edition beer, of which only 30 were bottled, was created at the Nail Brewing headquarters at Edith Cowan University in Perth. It was sold as part of an auction benefiting the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society — and made from Antarctic ice brought back from their last anti-whaling campaign in the Southern Ocean.

“Over 90% of beer is water, so the Antarctic Nail Ale could possibly be the world’s oldest and purest beer,” brewer John Stallwood said.

The previous record holder will be familiar to Ecorazzi readers as the Scottish brewers who wrapped their “End of History” ale in stuffed dead animals.

“It’s great to sell the most expensive bottle of beer in the world, but it’s all about a good cause. It’s also good that a beer about saving the whales is now most expensive beer in the world, rather than high alcohol beer sold in animal carcasses,” Stallwood added.

About Michael dEstries

Michael has been blogging since 2005 on issues such as sustainability, renewable energy, philanthropy, and healthy living. He regularly contributes to a slew of publications, as well as consulting with companies looking to make an impact using the web and social media. He lives in Ithaca, NY with his family on an apple farm.

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  • http://www.Seashepherd.org Captain Paul Watson

    The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is very proud that the record for the most expensive bottle of beer ever sold has replaced that obscene promotion of a bottle of beer inside a dead animal carcass. The Aus$800 raised at the auction will go towards Operation No Compromise. The auction at the Fremantle, Western Australia town hall was attended by over 400 people.

    • Kimitake Hiraoka

      Indeed, yet more money rolling into the buldging coffers of Sea Shepherd and into the pockets of Paul Watson – the only two parties getting rich from whaling in the Southern Ocean. Some might say it is a sad irony. Others might say it is a disgrace.

      Anyway, what to do with the $800 (or what’s left of it after Watson has taken his personal cut)? More acid? More expensive toys to trash on TV and dump into the pristine waters of the Southern Ocean? More crimes? I, for one, cannot wait to see.

      • Chris H.

        Kimitake Hiraoka’s real name is Glenn Inwood.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Inwood

        He is a paid spokesperson for the Institute of Cetacean Research (ICR) and the Kyodo Senpaku Company (i.e. “the Japanese Whalers”).

        The vast majority of the comments that he makes on this site are lies, or, at the very least, gross distortions of the truth.

        He recruits other bloggers, such as David@Tokyo

        http://david-in-tokyo.blogspot.com/

        (“David” on ecorazzi) and RadicalOmnivore, and pays them to spread misinformation about Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, and other groups that oppose whaling, on this site and many others.

        If you would like some evidence to support this, google “Glenn Inwood twitter” and read his twitter feed, or check the people that he’s following.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        thanks Chris, of course anyone with half a brain can figure out that these people (a few people with many aliases) are paid for trolling around on green forums but its very good to see it actually be proven.

      • Mick

        @Chris H

        “Kimitake Hiraoka’s real name is Glenn Inwood.”

        And what proof do you have of this allegation?

        “He recruits other bloggers…..and pays them”

        I have seen no evidence to support this.

        “If you would like some evidence to support this..”

        No, I would like proof. I looked at your so-called “evidence” and it does not support your allegations in the least. There is absolutely no evidence that he “recruits” or “pays” anyone.

      • imforthewhales

        Isn’t it funny…we have to prove that the troll is Glen Inwood, yet you dont bother checking your facts on whether anybody is getting rich out of saving whales.

        How typical.

        At least these twitterers are good for a laugh, if nothing else.

      • Mick

        @imforthewhales

        “…we have to prove that the troll is Glen Inwood..”

        No, Chris H made some specific allegations. If he is going to make direct and specific claims, he should provide proof to back up his claims.

      • Chris H.

        Mick is actually David@Tokyo using a different name…

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        i dont know the rules on the Eccorazzi but on other forums one and the same person posting with diferent names is explicitly forbidden and enough to get your hiney kicked.

      • imforthewhales

        I would suggest that sea-cucumbers was part of the same crowd. He/ it pulled his head in real quick though after he was found out and got a quick name change. :)

      • Mick

        @Chris H

        “Mick is actually David@Tokyo using a different name…”

        This claim is false and baseless…..Of course, making false and baseless claims is SOP for the average SS troll, like Chris H.

      • Mick

        @herwin

        “i dont know the rules on the Eccorazzi but on other forums one and the same person posting with diferent names is explicitly forbidden..”

        I don’t think it is explicitly forbidden on ECORAZZI, however it is generally frowned upon and just plain bad manners.

        It would appear that continually making false claims, like Chris H, is okay though. Judging from the lack of action by the moderators of ECORAZZI.

      • Mick
    • ednakano

      If the beer sold too much, Antrarctic Ice will be nothing and NY citi sunk in the sea. LOL

      • imforthewhales

        LOL at ur pathetic enwish

      • Chris H.

        ed,

        are you drunk?

    • Captain Kimitake Hiraoka

      Hi Paul – look, now I’m a captain too! Isn’t playing pretend fun?

      Hah just kidding, I am not so deluded and pretentious as to claim a title that I haven’t earned. Because that would just be pathetic, I’m sure you will agree.

      But I do actually have a serious question or two for you.

      1. Will you apologise to the Japanese crew member, Mr Takashi Kominami, who was burned by acid thrown by a member of your organisation who was presumably acting upon your orders? Furthermore, will you consider directing some of your organisation’s vast revenues to compensating him for his injuries?

      2. Will you consider following the commendable example of Mr Bethune and surrender yourself to the Japanese authorities for prosecution for illegal acts of violence in the Southern Ocean?

      Please advise.

      • AnimuX

        According to human toxicity tests Butyric acid on skin doesn’t do anything more than create “hardly noticable” redness and “slight scaling” 24 hours after exposure. According to the tests people don’t even feel it until an hour after exposure – and that’s direct exposure in a lab setting.

        So why is it that pro-whalers continue to push this LIE that some whalers received instant and severe burns from BA on the Shonan Maru No.2?

        Sea Shepherd has video showing the whalers firing an unknown substance out of a backpack worn chemical tank. Immediately after firing this stuff into unfavorable winds, the whalers are shown rubbing their faces in distress and they head below deck. The obvious conclusion is the whalers tried to hit Sea Shepherd activists with a riot control agent and hit themselves instead.

        UNLIKE Butyric Acid, *Oleoresin Capsicum* (also called pepper spray) is KNOWN to cause immediate chemical burns and pain just as the whalers described. They shot themselves in the face with their own peppery spray and were deservedly injured by their own hands.

        ———————–

        Human Toxicity Excerpts:
        /SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS/ Butyric acid can act as a mild skin irritant in humans … Application to intact human skin elicits a moderate burning sensation only after 52 min, and erythema (redness of the skin) is hardly noticeable. Slight epidermal scaling may follow within 24 hr.

        [Bingham, E.; Cohrssen, B.; Powell, C.H.; Patty's Toxicology Volumes 1-9 5th ed. John Wiley & Sons. New York, N.Y. (2001)., p. 5:709]

      • AnimuX

        Many arguing on behalf of the whalers and against Sea Shepherd like to cite the MSDS for butyric acid which looks quite intimidating. However, the MSDS reports for “acute” exposure of citric acid (orange juice) and phosphoric acid (coca cola) are no less scary looking. These claims of “dangerous acid” are made based on assumptions with no physical evidence such as the actual contents of any bottle thrown by Sea Shepherd. They have absolutely no idea how much or what concentration of any chemical is actually in those bottles. Needless to say, Sea Shepherd volunteers have been exposed to the stuff on many occasions and reported no injuries as a result.

        ——————

        MSDS: CITRIC ACID (Orange Juice)

        Potential Acute Health Effects:
        Hazardous in case of eye contact (irritant), of inhalation (lung irritant). Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant, sensitizer), of ingestion. The amount of tissue damage depends on length of contact. Eye contact can result in corneal damage or blindness. Skin contact can produce inflammation and blistering. Severe over-exposure can produce lung damage, choking, unconsciousness or death.

        MSDS: PHOSPHORIC ACID (Coca Cola)

        Potential Acute Health Effects:
        Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, . Hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive, permeator), of eye contact (corrosive). Slightly hazardous in case of inhalation (lung sensitizer). Liquid or spray mist may produce tissue damage particularly on mucous membranes of eyes, mouth and respiratory tract. Skin contact may produce burns. Inhalation of the spray mist may produce severe irritation of respiratory tract, characterized by coughing, choking, or shortness of breath. Severe over-exposure can result in death. Inflammation of the eye is characterized by redness, watering, and itching. Skin inflammation is characterized by itching, scaling, reddening, or, occasionally, blistering.

        MSDS: BUTYRIC ACID (Sea Shepherd Stink Bombs)

        Potential Acute Health Effects:
        Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of ingestion. Hazardous in case of eye contact (irritant), of inhalation. Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive, permeator). Liquid or spray mist may produce tissue damage particularly on mucous membranes of eyes, mouth and respiratory tract. Skin contact may produce burns. Inhalation of the spray mist may produce severe irritation of respiratory tract, characterized by coughing, choking, or shortness of breath.

      • romika3

        AnimuX, throwing rocks, acid etc it is all the same. Accept the fact that SSCS uses terror and terrorist methods to acheive it goals. They attack the commom fisherperson (sealers, whalers etc) because it is the easy thing to do and they avoid anything that takes real work (ie dealing with leglistation, developing real education programs and working with fishermen. And finially SSCS is in the Southern ocean becase they are SAFE in international waters. If Waston was a real man he would be off Iceland where over 100 fins are harvested vs the 1 harvested by the Japnease.

      • AnimuX

        Throwing stink bombs at a boat is NOT terrorism.

        Once again pro-whaling antagonists continue to make outlandish exaggerations in order to evoke an emotional response. They continue to falsely compare activists who have never killed a single human being to real terrorists responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people.

        Sea Shepherd activists shoot cameras, NOT machine guns. They throw stink bombs, NOT grenades. Their intervention against cruel, environmentally destructive industries and poachers is NOT terrorism.

      • romika3

        Aminux

        Terrorism

        1. systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal
        2. the act of terrorizing

        Sound familar, check out the SSCS videos on FaceBook before they are taken down. Causing death is not one of the cirteria of apply terror or terrorism.

      • romika3

        aminux “Their intervention against cruel, environmentally destructive industries and poachers is NOT terrorism.” The Canadian seal hunt in not cruel, it is not environmentally destructive and they seal harvesters were not poaching. The Canadian seal hunt is sustainable and managed. Thus the paradox of the SSCS, the SSCS making and taking on issues based on their money making potential, safty, and media penetration.

      • David

        Here’s an idea AnimuX.

        Throw an empty bottle at someone doing something legal, but which you don’t like, on the street of the city where you live. See how long it takes the police to put you in jail and see how many months you spend there.

        Even without the ‘acid’, the throwing of bottles at people is at least assault.

        And yes, the people who post here don’t know the strength of the acid the SSCS uses, because they refuse to say. So the most logical assumption, for safety reasons, would be that the acid is full strength. Citric acid (which is not orange juice it is a component of orange juice, about 10%) and phosphoric acid (which is not Coca Cola it is a component of Coca Cola) at full strength are dangerous just like butyric acid at full strength is dangerous.

      • imforthewhales

        Glen Inwood is the tool that hired spy planes from Australia to try and find Sea Shepherd when they left for the Southern Ocean.

        A New Zealand public relations guru is said to have paid for Japanese spy planes which have been keeping an eye on anti-whaling protesters in the Southern Ocean.

        Reports say Glenn Inwood’s Omeka Public Relations company, which works for Japan’s Institute of Cetacean Research, chartered planes in Hobart and Albany to track the Sea Shepherd’s ship, the Steve Irwin, in December.

        http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/06/2786632.htm

      • imforthewhales

        1. systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal
        2. the act of terrorizing

        Fits the whalers perfectly.

        The use acts of violence which draw real blood, shooting loaded harpoons into the backs of wild, intelligent animals, for their own miserly gains.

        There is a great deal of violence inflicted upon the whale, which can take a long time to die. sometimes the use of a shotgun is necessary to actually kill the harpooned whale.

        The Japanese whalers use acts of terrorism & intimidation against the whale defenders, risking the lives of these people…the deliberate sinking of the Ady Gil by a Japanese Captain when he turned his ship into the Ady Gil is a good example of this type of terrorism.

        They then have the hide to pay trolls associated with Ginza Glenn to spread lies and inuendo on the internet against the whale defenders.

      • romika3

        imforthewhales; the above reply demonstrates a last resort attempt to deflect the truth.

      • AnimuX

        Once again pro-whalers continue to exaggerate and allege “terrorism” in order to demonize activists who have NEVER killed a single human being and NEVER threatened to kill anyone.

        Throwing a stink bomb at a boat is not terrorism.

        But pro-whalers will continue to claim sailing between a whale and an agent of the Japanese government, who is defying international resolutions including an internationally established whale sanctuary by attempting to kill that whale, is the same as terrorists who murder thousands of people.

        Pathetic.

      • romika3

        imforthewhales; Again the above reply demonstrates a last resort attempt to deflect from the truth, the SSCS uses terror and terrorist tactics to atain their goals.

      • romika3

        “to kill that whale, is the same as terrorists who murder thousands of people.” sorry but this statement makes no sense and is a common propoganda technique that links a none “human” issue to a human one as to call up the same kinds of feelings that would be associated with the killing of humans. Impforthewhales, this just doesn’t work. Sorry

      • romika3

        “But pro-whalers will continue to claim sailing between a whale and an agent of the Japanese government” Sorry but fisherpersons (whalers etc.) are not secret agents. They are fishermen who work hard for a living to support their families. SSCS has a bad habit of attacking the common fisherperson, but as we all know it is the easy and safest thing to do, it looks good on TV, brings in the big money, and makes individuals, who are looking for an easy cause, feel like heros when their wear their SSCS tee shirts.

      • romika3

        “Throwing a stink bomb at a boat is not terrorism.” OK if you say so. Take a run down to LA Intnational Airport and throw a bottle of acid and then post, for all of to see, the results your experience.

      • ednakano

        AnimuX

        ”According to the tests people don’t even feel it until an hour after exposure”
        It might be PPM level. 90%+ level Butyric acid is enough toxic especilly burn eye. It it what ISCS or MSDS shows.

      • AnimuX

        Pro-whalers continue to falsely claim Sea Shepherd throws “dangerous acid” on people.

        As explained above, human toxicity tests show butyric acid acts as a “mild skin irritant”.

        There is no functional difference between a bottle containing some butyric acid (Sea Shepherd stink bomb) and a bottle containing some citric acid (the orange juice in your refrigerator) except that the butyric acid stinks like rotten butter.

        If Sea Shepherd threw bottles of orange juice (“dangerous citric acid”?) at Japanese whaling ships, pro-whaling morons would still claim it was an act of “terrorism”.

        These antagonists are only interested in demonizing activists in order to erode support for environmental causes.

      • imforthewhales

        @romika3…cash for comment paid troll..

        Pro whalers often resort to the tactic of deflecting good points—to avoid having to listen to you so that they don’t have to bother with understanding your point of view.

        With some people, no matter what you say or how you say it, they will deflect your words using the tool of deflection to invalidate you left and right and to convince themselves they are only right.

        This may be a form of denial romika 3…i think perhaps you are living in it.

        Denial is simply refusing to acknowledge that an event has occurred. The person affected simply acts as if nothing has happened, behaving in ways that others may see as bizarre.

        Your lack of empathy for living things, both human and non human does not help you to see whaling for what it truly is.

        In its full form, your denial may well be totally subconscious, and you may be as mystified by the behavior of people around you on here as those people are by the behavior of the sufferer ( ie you). It may also have a significant conscious element, where the sufferer ( ie you) is simply ‘turning a blind eye’ to an uncomfortable situation.

        Perhaps one day romika 3 you will wake up from your dream and realize that the whalers are conducting a cruel and barbaric business operation against world opinion that has no place in this century. The you will realize that people who are trying to prevent this lie and deceptive whaling that Japan conducts are working for not only the whales, not only the people that inhabit the earth now, but future generations of people who will look back on people like you and judge you for what you are ( or are not).

      • romika3

        impforwhales: So what are you trying to say? What does denial have to do with this issue?

      • romika3

        amumix: “If Sea Shepherd threw bottles of orange juice (“dangerous citric acid”?) at Japanese whaling ships, pro-whaling morons would still claim it was an act of “terrorism”.” You seem to be having trouble understanding what the point is. Try this, go into a public place and start throwing bottles of orange juice at a group of people. Then report back to this forum. Perhaps then you might understand what the points that we are trying to make.

      • imforthewhales

        @romika3…what do you think?

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        @ David. Question. Do you accept the findings of these “old” reports and so accepting that at least until ten years ago seals were skinned alive, or are you dismissing them as reports from biased veterinarians and are you denying the skinning of living seals altoghether ? In that case it is rather useles for us to spend time and effort and dig up newer reports, because most likely you will dismiss it as well, which, as a paid troll, is your (sad) job.
        What a job you got, denying the barbaric treatment of seals and defending their sensless slaughter. My guess is that on a date you wont talk frankly about your job, eh..

      • imforthewhales

        **Try this, go into a public place and start throwing bottles of orange juice at a group of people. Then report back to this forum. Perhaps then you might understand what the points that we are trying to make.***

        That experiment would have nothing to do with the rotten butter thrown at whaling ships. Rotten butter is not thrown at people but at ships. is it possible to terrorize a ship? Does a ship have thoughts and feelings? Can a ship get butter in its eye? Sea Shepherd take great care not to throw anything towards people.

        The fools on board the Japanese whaling ship decided that it would be a good idea to fire chili powder at the SS crew members on board one of their zodiacs. However the japanese idiots did not take into account the wind conditions or the fact that powder is not a solid and will break up when fired…( !!doh!!) and the stuff blew back into their own faces. There is film of this happening and one crew member immediately runs away from the scene of the crime after the stuff gets in his eyes.

        As i have said before, the only co-terrorists in
        the Southern Ocean are the Japanese whalers themselves.

      • David

        @herwin. Question. Can you respond to a post in the proper thread so it makes sense?

        To answer your question, I believe there were abuses in the past.

        @imforthewhales “Sea Shepherd take great care not to throw anything towards people.”

        Sorry but anybody who watches Whale Wars knows that is a lie. There are numerous shots of them throwing bottles where they can’t see where the bottle is going to land. In other words they don’t care whether there are people where they are throwing bottles. Also trying to claim any accuracy when throwing from one moving ship to another moving ship is a joke.

        “…or the fact that powder is not a solid…” Really? if a powder isn’t a solid what is it? And where is the proof of what was in the sprayers?

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        @ David, i dont ask what you “believe” i simply ask if you accept the findings of these “old” reports which are written by veterinarians who are thus qualified to examine dead animals and give a medical opinion such as “the animal wasnt dead when he was skinned”.
        In your own words, which is nice to hear, you do believe there were “abuses” (thats the word you use) in the past. I tell you, egulations might have changed, but the sealers though are still the same. Do you believe that in the present there are no abuses anymore and on what do you base that assumption ?
        Thanks.

      • romika3

        Info Whales “Sealers are notoriously bad shots…they only go out to party with their guns every so often…” Where do you get this rubbish from?

        “they are not professional, nor are they required to prove that they are any good at shooting a target…” They are professional fishermen, requried to do a number of safety courses, first aid and all sealers must now do a seal havesting course that trains them how to properly kill and skin an animal. In addition all hunters in Newfoundland and Labrador must take a hunting course which includes a hunting test that requires the hunter to shoot at a target. PETA, HSUS, and SSCS seek out the worst cases for their video clips and we know of one case where a group of individuals were paid ( this was quite a few years ago) by either PETA of HSUS to demonstrate poor harvesting practices and behaviour.

      • David

        @herwin, Sorry you are wrong again. Does that ever get old? Do you only ask questions or do you answer them?

        Actually I do assume that there are still abuses, but I also assume that those people get punished when caught and I assume that most sealers follow the laws.

        Just like I assume most people driving down the road aren’t drunk although I know some of them are. That doesn’t mean driving or drinking should be banned.

  • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

    sorry Cap’tain, but i find any ordinary supermarket with hunderds of dead animal parts from the animal factories a hellovalot more “obscene” than one bottle of beer inside a dead animal..
    It sounds too much symbolism to me, while we should talk about real animals who are killed by the millions each day..sharks that are finned alive, whales that are harpooned and take 10 minutes to die, seals clubbed unconscious and skinned alive..now that is “obscene” to me..

    • romika3

      Sorry to burst your bubble but seals are now required to be shot and regarding skinning an animal alive it is a waste of time and energy. Try holding down a live animal and skinning it at the same time. Its is to SSCS, PETA and HSUS benfit to keep the myths about the Canadian seal hunt alive a it ensures that the money keep flowing. Regarding the beer, another example of SSCS supporters being fleeced. You can buy better “Iceberg Volka” made from 10,000 year old water from icebergs harvested off the Northern Tip of Newfoundland and Labrador. An the price is right.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        seals being skinned alive is witnessed by many people and reported by veterinarians and researchers.
        here’s one, 5 vets (not one but 5) visiting the slaughter fields and reporting that more than 40 % isnt deat when skinned.
        http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0407-01.htm

      • romika3

        That report is dated, amosted ten years old. Things have changed there are new guidelines for hunting. And secondly it looks like the HS were involved in this.

      • romika3

        Looks like Common Dreams org is another one of those organiations with a “donate button”!!!!!!. Who are they linked to PETA, HSUS, SSCS etc?????

      • imforthewhales

        Sealers are notoriously bad shots…they only go out to party with their guns every so often…they are not professional, nor are they required to prove that they are any good at shooting a target…there are videos on u tube etc of seals having been shot and struggling to breathe, drowning in their own blood and clearly suffering as they die a slow and agonizing death.

        Just another sick, depraved business and a stain on Canada, just as the commercial whaling operations in Antarctica whale sanctuaries are a stain on japan.

        The good think about the bloody baby seal business is that the EU has banned the importation of seal products…now the sealers may need to go and get a real job. Perhaps they can still get welfare?

      • imforthewhales

        The Guardian has also learned that the Canadian Veterinary Medicine Association (CVMA), whose support for the hunt has been used by the Canadian government and the sealers in an attempt to persuade the public that it is humane, is considering demanding tougher welfare regulations in the light of the latest evidence of cruelty.

        The organisation has already contacted Fisheries and Oceans Canada, the government department responsible for regulating the hunt, demanding that it stop citing the CVMA’s support in media interviews and on its website.

        Ian Robinson, one of the two British vets on the panel, said: “The Canadian government insists that this is an animal production industry like any other. They say that it might not be pretty, but basically it is just like any abattoir except on the ice. But we found obvious levels of suffering which would not be tolerated in any other animal industry in the world.”

        http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0407-01.htm

      • David

        Again with links to articles from almost ten years ago when you have already been told that the regulations have been changed since then.

        But I guess when there is no new reports that support your position you have to rely on old out dated info.

      • imforthewhales

        @david…show us a * credible, newer link* that says that the cruelty to seals is finished.

        The best thing to happen for the seals is the EU ban…

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        @ David , question. So do you accept the findings of that “old” report by veteranarians and agree that seals have been skinned alive, before the “new regulations” ? If not, its useless to find newer data because most likely you will throw ANY serious report regardless of date, into the dustbin.
        Gee David, what a job you have, being paid for trolling green forums, denying the massive sealing cruelties that go on for decades, defending illegal whaling in which animals take up to 20 minutes to die…
        Tell me, when you have a date you actually talk frankly about your job or you change the subject ?

      • David

        @imforthewhales, No.

        First I haven’t made claims about the seal hunt you have, so you need to show support for your position.

        Second you want me to find a report about what isn’t happening? Why would someone do such a study, or at least someone you would agree is ‘credible’?

      • romika3

        imforthewhales, the EU ban only impacts on 1/3 of the market and is result of the desire of the politions wishing to protect themselves during the last ED elections. The bottomline is that the Canadain seal hunt is sustainable, managed and monitored and because it is a major source of funding by 17 organiztions it is in thier best interests to keep the “myths” of the Canadian Seal hunt alive.

      • romika3

        herwin, perhaps you might want to answer this question, why would a hunter want to skin an animal alive, when it is much easier to handle an animal when it is dead? By the way that article you cited has links to an animal rights organization and is dated.

        The skinning of seals alive is another myth that PETA, HSUS and SSCS feeds off of. We know and you know that these organizations delibertily seek out the worst video to use in their fundraising ads and avoid the 98% of the sealers who are carrying out the havest in a humane manner by practicing proper hunting and processing techiques. The same only video and photos have been reused so many times oover the last 15 yrs that I am surprized that more people are not catching on to you folks.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        @ Romika (aka David)
        the European Union doesnt make decisions because they see a video from Peta. They actually have read reports from independent researchers and even have traveled themselves to witnes the annual slaughter. These people are politicians, not animal right activists.
        Now go back to that rock you live under…

      • imforthewhales

        ***First I haven’t made claims about the seal hunt you have, so you need to show support for your position.

        Actually you did. You pointed out that regulations had changed since ten years ago. That was your claim and the implication being that cruelty on the ice no longer exists.

        ***Second you want me to find a report about what isn’t happening?

        Yes of course.

        ***Why would someone do such a study, or at least someone you would agree is ‘credible’?

        Going one step further and based on your implication, i have asked you to provide some sort of evidence that cruelty no longer exists on the annual Canadian seal hunt. One would assume that someone, somewhere, has published something in this regard. If they haven’t published anything or reported on this in any way shape or form, , then the cruelty factor in the Canadian seal hunt is not something that the authorities can be bothered with. it probably still exists just the same as it did ten years ago, and video evidence supports this premise.

        ***Why would anyone publish something on this issue?

        One would think that with the EU ban based upon the fact that the Canadian seal hunt is notoriously cruel, and considering that you have lost one of your biggest markets, the powers that be…Steven harper et al…would be interested in this topic.

      • imforthewhales

        ***romika3, November 10, 2010 at 8:49 am

        ***imforthewhales, the EU ban only impacts on 1/3 of the market

        which is 1/3 less seals killed each year, unless you guys simply enjoy killing them for sport.

        *** and is result of the desire of the politions wishing to protect themselves during the last ED elections.

        Conjecture.

        You are living in denial again Romika3…fact is the Canadian seal hunt is one of the cruelest hunts in the world.

        The decision to go ahead with the sealing ban was made by the European General Court, the EU’s second highest tribunal.

        ***The bottomline is that the Canadain seal hunt is sustainable, managed and monitored and because it is a major source of funding by 17 organiztions it is in thier best interests to keep the “myths” of the Canadian Seal hunt alive.

        If you don’t like organisations hounding you in regards to sealing and whaling, then simply stop sealing and whaling. Then , perhaps these organisations will cease to exist.

        As far as myths go, there is plenty of evidence to support their positions…that the cruelty factor is absurd, plus the fact that most of this work is carried out by fishermen as a part time job who earn a pittance off sealing & welfare ( they would be better off getting a real job or creating some sort of enterprise)

      • David

        “Actually you did. You pointed out that regulations had changed since ten years ago. That was your claim and the implication being that cruelty on the ice no longer exists.”

        Actually I didn’t. Pointing out that the regulations changed does not imply anything except that the regulations changed. It doesn’t imply that there use to be cruelty or that cruelty no longer exists.

        You obviously need a course in logic.

        The reports from 10 years ago where by anti-sealers and you say that the pro-sealers would have a reason to do new reports. Except we all know that the anti-sealers wouldn’t believe any report from them so why waste the time?

        If the anti-sealers want to keep claiming cruelty then why haven’t they done a new report?

      • imforthewhales

        OK then david, do you accept the notion that cruelty on the ice does still exist then?

        It sounds as if you think it does.

        the evidence is there to show that it does.

        There is nothing to suggest that anti sealers will not believe any reports…that is pure conjecture on your part and you have no facts or prrof to back up your claim…people will believe them as long as they are factual and scientifically produced sans bias.

      • David

        So then why did you link to a 10 yer old news article rather than the current reports?

        “…factual and scientifically produced sans bias.”

        Like 10 year old news stories that quote vets paid for by or part of the anti-sealing movement?

        You have been posting here and elsewhere long enough to have seen that the anti-sealers, just like the anti-whalers, dismiss everything their opponents say as bias yet claim all their claims are scientific and valid.

      • romika3

        impforthewhales: “most of this work is carried out by fishermen as a part time job who earn a pittance off sealing & welfare ( they would be better off getting a real job or creating some sort of enterprise)” you have now clue of the fishing industry. Sealers already own fishing enterprises and as pointed out many times the seal harvest is part of the annual fishing cycle which includes crab, lobster, turbot,and a small cod quota. I don’t know any fishermen on welfare. Thats the problem with you folks, you think you know all about the issue, you know nothing except what you get from the SSCS, PETA and HSUS web pages.

    • ednakano

      And cows, picgs, checken, mosquitos and cockroachs are killed every day. If it’s stoped Natural food chain has been broken.

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  • ednakano

    Typical SSCS supporter never understanding other opinion. always change subject and hide real things.