Pete Bethune Announces Earthrace Conservation Org

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by Michael dEstries November 23, 2010
Categories: Animals, Causes
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Less than two months after resigning from the Sea Shepherd in dramatic fashion, Pete Bethune has announced the founding of a new group called the Earthrace Conservation Organization or E.C.O. According to a live unveiling last night on UStream, the new org will focus not only on whaling but wider marine issues, from overfishing to habitat destruction and pollution.

“We’ll be taking action all over the world, wherever we see environmentally damaging activities taking place,” Bethune said. “I’m not setting up in competition with any other groups – it’s not as though there’s a shortage of bad things happening. My goal is to see Earthrace Conservation work both independently, and alongside existing organisations wherever and whenever they’d like our help.”

According to a release, while no vessels are currently in possession for the organization, land based campaigns are currently being planned — including accompanying supporting volunteers to go to the Faroe Islands during the summer of 2011 to address the grindadráp which occurs annually; in hopes to eliminate the needless slaughter of pilot whales.

A board of directors for the new org will be announced shortly.

About Michael dEstries

Michael has been blogging since 2005 on issues such as sustainability, renewable energy, philanthropy, and healthy living. He regularly contributes to a slew of publications, as well as consulting with companies looking to make an impact using the web and social media. He lives in Ithaca, NY with his family on an apple farm.

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  • Hufingraz

    I am stoked about Pete’s new organization. It is going to involve covert-ops, and fighting against poachers that are longline fishing & shark finning, along with other projects. He is great leader who isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty, so I think E.C.O should do well. I know I want to become a member as soon as possible. I was a SS supporter, but withdrew my support & funding after SS cut it’s ties with Pete.

  • Chris H.

    I wish Pete Bethune, and his new organization, the best of luck with their efforts to combat whaling, and other abuses of the World’s oceans, by people who would seek to make our planet a poorer place to live.

    Regardless of his disagreements with SSCS about tactics, he is still on the right side of the environmental issues, and his efforts should be appreciated by everyone who is concerned about the state of our oceans, and of our planet.

    • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

      thats very well said and i completely agree, especially we are all on the same side about environmental issues. (even if there are diferences of opinion but these are insignificant when you are up there defending whales in the Antrarctic, or at the Faroe Islands.)
      Good luck ECO !

  • http://GoooooooooooPete Alison Banks

    I AM PROUD TO BE A DEDICATED E.C.O. WARRIOR and EARTHRACER!!!

  • http://www.whaling.fo John

    I also wish Pete all the best. So hopefully he will think twice before he is picking up the false propaganda that always surrounds Poul Watson.

    His first project unfortunately tells me that Pete is nothing but a confused and naive man dazzled by false propaganda from Poul Watson. I hoped that Pete would grow up from those silly games of Poul Watson and do some Eco work that makes sense…

    According to the International Whaling Commission the population of pilot whales in 1989 was a staggering 780.000 whales. So the faroese people only hunt 0.1 % of the estimated pilot whale population and have done so for at least the last 4-500 years. Historical sources indicate that this tradition could be up to 7-800 years old.

    http://iwcoffice.org/conservation/estimate.htm

    Have you people forgotten what happened in Greenland when Greenpeace launched a campaign with Brigitte Bardot against seal hunting? The success of stopping the seal hunt completely fucked up the entire Eco system in the ocean in some parts of Greenland and it almost wiped out the entire Greenland cod fish with devastating humane consequence for the Greenland population.

    Keep up the spirit. But don’t forget to use your brains!

    • Mike

      John, i think you should check some facts first bud. Firstly, having more seals alive did not fuck up the entire eco system. Long before Canadians hunted fish and seals the two lived in abundance. Only after mankind started fishing in greater numbers plundering more and more fish did fish stocks dramatically decrease. The seals have fuck all to do with it. Unfortuantely, people like yourself keep up with repeating this crap and others start to believe it.

      Do some research.

  • ednakano

    SSCS lie about Ady Gil in Maritime of New Zealand report..
    1. SSCS intentionally hide Sailing recorder (Simrad). One was through into sea and find on the beach. Another one was found in Bob Backer 7 months later. SSCS wanted SSCS crew not to charge responsibility of collision.
    2. When the collision happened, Ady Gil was operated by Jason Stewart as he said to media and he and other crews have no license. At that time Pete Bethune (Only one license holder) and other crews are on the roof.
    3. MNZ(Maritime New Zealand) told SSCS that Ady Gil should not go to Antarctic Ocean because this high speed ship may cause collision with drift ice. But SSCS ignored MNZ caution.
    4. Ady Gil have serious design flaw. It lacked care of safety and under 12 knots it lost manipulability. It already killed on fisherman when it called “EarthRace” and huge Pete Bethune owed ransom.
    5. Ady Gil crews attached antenna of Shonan Maru 2 because SSCS was blamed using laser beam and the video sent through antenna of Shonan Maru 2.
    6. SSCS and Paul Watson said one of the Ady Gil crew broke rib bone but he went up to Bob Baker using rope by himself.
    7. Paul Watson said Japanese ship refused to help but actually SSCS refused help and if they came to close, SSCS would consider it is an attack. Therefore Japanese Ship could not do any help.
    8. Ady Gil was not sinking when SSCS cut rope.

    • Hufingraz

      WOW! Ednakano your commmand of the English language is impeccable. Personally, I think you should take some more English lessons before you go commenting on these forums. If my Japanese was as bad as your English, I would never comment on Japanese forums.

      1. The captain of the Shonan Maru No.2 has NEVER given a statement. In the absence of an explanation from the Shonan Maru No.2 master, the evidence obtained suggests that the master intentionally chose to take a close approach to Ady Gil and not to take early and substantial action to avoid the close quarters situation.
      2. As the overtaking vessel, Shonan Maru No.2 failed to take early and substantial action to keep well clear of Ady Gil. This resulted in the development of a close quarters situation, during which Shonan Maru No.2 failed to take positive and ample action to avoid colliding with Ady Gil.
      3. Rule 16 directs the give-way vessel, which in this instance was Shonan Maru No.2, to take early and substantial action to keep well clear of Ady Gil.
      4. Shonan Maru No.2 was an overtaking vessel within the meaning of the International Collision Regulations and, as such, the master of Shonan Maru No.2 had an obligation to keep clear of Ady Gil.
      5. Shonan Maru No.2 had ample opportunity to avoid creating the close quarters situation that developed and the subsequent collision.
      So according to the New Zealand Maritime report, the collision could have been avoided, if the captain of the Shonan Maru No.2 had not engaged in the close quarter situation with a much smaller vessel.

      • ednakano

        1. Instead of Comment Japan supply plenty of data and MNZ are satisfied it.
        2.-5. Ady gil intend to be close. And Ady Gil have serious problem to operate. Why I need to be responsible for Your car have trouble.

      • Chris H.

        Ahh, now edna is a mind reader…

      • ednakano

        MNZ clearly said Ady Gil had planty of time to avoid collision but they did not take proper action.

      • David

        According to the New Zealand Maritime report, the collision could have been avoided, if the captain of the Ady Gil had kept a proper watch and responded properly to the situation.

        Also the report states, from the helmsman own words and the radar data, that the Adi Gil almost doubled its forward speed immediately before the collision. This cause it to travel 30 feet more than if they had maintained their course and speed. The Shonan Maru 2 sheared off about 10 feet of the Ady Gil; ergo if the Ady Gil hadn’t accelerated the Shonan Maru 2 would have missed them by about 20 feet.

      • Hufingraz

        David,
        I think we can agree that both sides were at fault. We could argue all day on who was ultimately responsible, but we would just be going in circles. New Zealand’s Maritime report faults both sides and I can accept that. I hate when Paul says that everyone that disagrees with him is a paid ICR troll, but Edakano is definitely a paid troll.

      • From MN, with hope…

        It doesn’t matter what happened on the Ady Gil in the little second leading up to the crash, the SM2 shouldn’t have been anywhere NEAR the AG. And doubling the speed of an idle… Yeah, not too significant. The Ady Gil would have been hit either way. Damage might have been different, but your whaler boys would have had majority fault, as they pretty much do now.

      • Michael Raymer

        “I think we can agree that both sides were at fault. ”

        No, we really can’t. It would be one thing if this was a he said/she said situation. It’s not. The video evidence clearly shows the Shonan Maru turning into the Ady Gil. The trolls and the criminally obtuse can try to spin it any way they want.

        “Ady Gil almost doubled its forward speed immediately before the collision.”

        Yeah, you want to know why? Because there was a big, honkin’ ship bearing right down on them. The Ady Gil is not able to do anything else until it picks up speed. It’s called “making headway” for you landlubbers. Until any boat picks up speed and momentum, it’s not doing anything else. Not turning, not avoiding, not evading. Period.

        If you are going to come here and try to make a point, this sort of thing really shouldn’t need to be explained to you.

      • ednakano

        SSCS and AG have no will to keep safety of sailng. It is clear fault of SSCS.

      • David

        “Yeah, you want to know why? Because there was a big, honkin’ ship bearing right down on them. The Ady Gil is not able to do anything else until it picks up speed. It’s called “making headway” for you landlubbers. Until any boat picks up speed and momentum, it’s not doing anything else. Not turning, not avoiding, not evading. Period. ”

        Thanks for that Old Salt. But if they hadn’t accelerated the Shonan Maru 2′s course would have missed them. Or if he had gone in reverse they would have been missed by even more. Or if he had used the engines to turn they would have swung out of the way, there is a video that has been linked to before that shows them making a sharp turn with less forward speed than before the collision.

      • David

        “The Ady Gil would have been hit either way.”

        Sorry but you are wrong. The acceleration pot them 30 feet further forward. They were hit about 10 feet back from the bow. So put them 30 feet back and the Shonan Maru 2 misses them by about 20 feet. It is really simple math and physics.

      • Chris H.

        Nice “made up” numbers there David…

        And by the way, YOU are wrong. The initial hit of the SM#2 on the AG was on the main hull, port side, just slightly forward of the cockpit windows, at an angle of approximately 30 degrees from the mid-line of the AG.

        The bow of the SM#2 then skated along the side of the AG’s main hull for roughly 3-4m before it broke through the hull of the AG, 3-4m aft of the bow.

        The point of impact, the damage caused by the skating action, and the final breaking point, can all be seen clearly in this video (shot from the SM#2) at approximately the 30-33 second mark:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av1G7pw5TIw

        The only thing simple about your “simple math and physics” David, is you…

      • Michael Raymer

        I enjoy it when David himself, turns into Paul Watson. “If you do not know an answer, a fact, or a statistic, then simply follow the example of an American President and do as Ronald Reagan did—make it up on the spot and deliver the information confidently and without hesitation.” If that doesn’t relate directly to David and his friends, I don’t know what does.

      • David

        I enjoy it when Michael Raymer makes accusatory post with no explanation so he can’t be refuted.

      • Chris H.

        Just because you can’t (or won’t) see it David, doesn’t mean that it’s not there…

      • Michael Raymer

        Davey-boy knows how to scroll up and he knows what I was responding too. This is just his weak-ass way of knowing he’s wrong and not acknowledging it. How many times have we done this now David? Point-CounterPoint-David either tries to change the subject or retreats completely.

      • David

        Well Michael Raymer I thought you read the MNZ report, but I must have been wrong.

        The report gave the Ady Gil initial speed, the speed they accelerated to and the time involved. All that data came from the report which got the data from the Ady Gil Simrads, once they were found.

        Anybody with basic math and science knowledge can calculate the extra distance the Ady Gil traveled due to the change in speed, which is about 30 feet. The Ady Gil lost about 10 feet off the bow. That leaves a miss by 20 feet if the Ady Gil hadn’t accelerated, and even more if they had reversed like they did after the collision.

        As to maneuvering here is proof the Ady Gil can turn at slow speed.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNsd3wRK4TA

        See nothing made up, no magic bullets, no mysterious white powder.

      • Chris H.

        David is failing to account for the fact the AG was dragged forwards by the SM#2 after the initial contact was made between the two vessels. This is clearly seen in the video linked to above.

      • Michael Raymer

        All of this is a good way of trying to distract from the fact that the Shonan Maru intentionally ran down the Ady Gil, as we have all seen on video. Rationalize all you want with pseudo-facts of what might have been done differently, the Shonan Maru deliberately attacked the Ady Gil. Period.

      • Michael Raymer

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbuq0YEIPNU

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7gZd0ihZCE

        Right there is all the evidence I need. The fact that the pro-whalers try to spin what is obvious and apparent is pathetic.

      • David

        So I guess the New Zealand government is pro-whaling, because they don’t seem to agree with you assessment Michael.

        And are you calling the SSCS or MNZ liars? because that is where the pseudo-facts came from. So either the SSCS lied to MNZ or MNZ lied in the report and SSCS hasn’t complained.

      • Chris H.

        David, the conclusions that you draw from the available evidence defy all logic.

        You twist people’s words to make it appear that they said something that they did not, and then you act all surprised when people get p*ssed off at you.

        You truly are a prime example of dissociative thinking.

      • Michael Raymer

        David, where in my last two posts did I call anyone a liar? Why are you accusing me or asking me about calling someone a liar when I never used the word?

        Anyone can type out a report. I don’t trust my own Congress, why should I trust some commission from New Zealand? Why do I have too? The video clearly shows the Shonan Maru changing course to come closer and, ultimately, hit the Ady Gil. And the video from the Shonan Maru shows nothing of this great acceleration that you accuse the Ady Gil of. The propwash from the Ady shows nothing more than maintaining normal “steerage” or “headway” that any boat in mid-ocean would be maintaining. Ipso facto, the Shonan Maru attacked the Ady Gil and was directly responsible for her sinking. The fact that the crew was sitting down outside completely refutes the allegation that the Ady Gil was taking any offensive actions against the Shonan Maru.

        Play all the little word games you like. Having video evidence sure does come in handy.

      • ednakano

        Anti-whale people loves to call suppoter of whaling is paid form IRC. Those people try to appel IRC if IRC pay some money, they will shut their mouth.
        IRC will not waste money for such radicurous puopose. And I never paid by posting. SSCS get donation by cheating people.

      • David

        Well mikey, MNZ published what they say are facts but you say they are psudo-facts. So you can try and spin it however you want but you are saying that the MNZ is lying in their report. The fact that you didn’t use the word liar doesn’t mean you didn’t claim that someone was lying. If I say that someone isn’t telling the truth, I didn’t use the word liar but I did call someone a liar.

        Well at 96 in the report the Ady Gil helmsmans own words, “I pushed both throttles to about 50 percent forward position”. At 98 they show pictures of the increased prop wash. And at 100 we have “Data extracted from the Ady Gil’s Simrad shows that when the two vessels were approximately 30-40 metres apart, Ady Gil increased speed from 3.83 knots to 6.74 knots.” So I see how you can claim that it didn’t happen. Assuming you can’t read.

        Yes the video and Simrad evidence sure does come in handy. It allows others to see you misrepresentation of the recorded actions.

      • Michael Raymer

        Epic fail. “Ady Gil increased speed from 3.83 knots to 6.74 knots” That’s 7 mph. You really want to call that an “increase”? Go out to your car and start driving at 4 mph. Now, “increase” speed to 7 mph. Hell, go nutz and let ‘er rip to 9 mph. How fast are you going? How fast can you make a turn at that speed? How fast can you take avoiding action? What action can you take at that speed in any amount of time? The answers are obvious. So, enough about this monumental speed increase that the Ady Gil never made.

        You keep accusing me of calling people liars. I haven’t called anyone a liar. As long as I have the video taped evidence right in front of me, I don’t really care what the report says. The Shonan Maru intentionally rammed the Ady Gil. The video is posted abouve and the show is on Netflix streaming. People can and have been watching it all on their own, from all the different angles, for months now. You and your pretzel logic can’t keep people from seeing what’s right in front of their eyes.

      • David

        “That’s 7 mph. You really want to call that an “increase”?”

        Well mikey if they went from one speed to a higher speed that would be an increase. Even if it was from 3.83 to 3.84 it would still be an increase wouldn’t it? And not that I am calling you a liar but it is actually 7.75 mph.

        “Hell, go nutz and let ‘er rip to 9 mph. How fast are you going?”

        Well mikey that would be 9 mph. Can’t you even read and understand your own words?

        “How fast can you make a turn at that speed?”

        Depends on the boat your talking about. For the Ady Gil, I have no idea, but I claimed the acceleration put them in danger, no turn required.

        “How fast can you take avoiding action?”

        Again depends on the boat. And again for the Ady Gil I don’t know. But I do know accelerating in front of a ‘big honking ship’ is about as far from avoiding action as you can get.

        “What action can you take at that speed in any amount of time?”

        For the third time it depends. But if he had reversed engines rather than increased forward speed he would have been taking affective avoiding action, as opposed to the action he did take which made the situation worse.

        “You keep accusing me of calling people liars. I haven’t called anyone a liar.”

        Yes you have and you just did it again in this post.

        “So, enough about this monumental speed increase that the Ady Gil never made.”

        Now first I never said ‘monumental’, so you lied about what I said. Second the MNZ, the Ady Gil helmsman and the Ady Gil Simrad all said the speed increase happened. You say it didn’t happen, ergo you are calling MNZ, the Ady Gil helmsman and the Ady Gil Simrad liars.

        “The Shonan Maru intentionally rammed the Ady Gil.”

        That is what is know as an opinion, mikey.

        “You and your pretzel logic can’t keep people from seeing what’s right in front of their eyes.”

        Well mikey the last pretzels I bought were nice and straight and simple. But I am sure those rose colored glass and blinders you wear make it hard to deal with reality.

      • Michael Raymer

        David, you just can’t stop digging yourself deeper into your own hole of non-credibility. One more epic fail on your scorecard. And your repeated suggestion that the first thing a helmsman should do when a large ship is bearing down on him is to throw his BOAT into reverse indicates your pathetic lack of maritime experience. Boats aren’t cars Davey-boy. If you’re commenting this much, you should know all this already. Better stick with your R/C car collection and leave naval matters to those who have spent some time at sea.

      • David

        So your only come back is to lie about what I said, again? Just who has the epic fail?

        I never suggested that “the first thing a helmsman should do when a large ship is bearing down on him is to throw his BOAT into reverse”, much less suggested it more than once. What I said was “But if he had reversed engines rather than increased forward speed he would have been taking affective avoiding action, as opposed to the action he did take which made the situation worse.”, I didn’t say he should reverse engines I said that it would have been a better choice than accelerating.

        I patiently wait for your next lie.

      • Michael Raymer

        You’re like Wormtongue in “Lord of the Rings”. When you have no other answer at your disposal, just accuse someone of lying. There is no lying to be debated. There is the clear video evidence that the Shonan Maru intentionally rammed the Ady Gil. There is the clear video evidence that the Shonan Maru used tactics that you claim to deplore. There is the clear video evidence that the Shonan Maru endangered the lives of innocent people in a harsh and dangerous maritime environment. How do you not get that your efforts to spin this any other way have failed and failed miserably? How do you not get what is right in front of you? 3 boats, 3 crews and all they funding and support they need for another campaign. How is this escaping you Davey?

      • David

        “3 boats, 3 crews and all they funding and support they need for another campaign. How is this escaping you Davey?”

        I have backup all my statements and shown proof of your lies. And I thought we were discussing the Ady Gil and last years campaign?

        Oh that’s right, the old change the subject when you realize you are losing.

      • Chris H.

        Micheal,

        I think that David’s definition of a “liar” is “anyone that disagrees with David”.

        Of course, he tells people that they are lying (or that they are wrong) in almost every post he makes, so I wouldn’t let it bother you, if I were you. It’s just par for the course in any exchange that anybody has with him.

        I often wonder what color the skies are in David’s world…

      • Michael Raymer

        No Davey, you haven’t backed up anything except how weak your arguments are. I say again, “There is clear video evidence…” People have and have had ample opportunity to see the collision from all angles. The videos are the proof. Not what you, me or New Zealand says about it. The videos themselves. And no one is buying your garbled, revisionist, misinterpretation of what happened before their very eyes. They are simply watching the video. And what does the video show, Davey-boy? It shows the Shonan Maru intentionally ramming the Ady Gil.

        I patiently wait for your next waste of your and my time.

      • David

        So you, me and the members of MNZ aren’t people? And we don’t have our own eyes to watch the video?

        You (and many others) have interpreted the video one way, MNZ and I (and many others) have interpreted it another way. Yet you know that you’re right and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong? Is that a huge ego or just delusions of grandeur? Or maybe both?

        “No Davey, you haven’t backed up anything”

        So 6.74 knots isn’t 7.75 mph? Or did I back that up?

        The helmsman of the Ady Gil didn’t say that he accelerated? Or did I back that up?

        The Ady Gil Simrad didn’t show an increase in speed? Or did I back that up?

        So I guess that is another lie by Michael. You know that lying is one of the big 10 sins, right?

      • Michael Raymer

        Who exactly are you trying to convince and how do you think it’s working out? You make all these fanciful claims, and no one seems to be buying your brand.

        “You (and many others) have interpreted the video one way, MNZ and I (and many others) have interpreted it another way. Yet you know that you’re right and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong?”

        No, you have this wrong, as usual. I (and many others) interpret the video by watching what’s on the video. You (and may others) choose to spin what you clearly see because what you clearly see refutes the idiotic points you try to make. And I do know that I’m right and anyone who disagrees with me (on this point) is wrong….because of what can be clearly seen from three different camera angles. I mean, points for perserverence but you lost this one in the first round.

        And if I were you, I’d give up on the “speed increase-forward/reverse” thing. You already look pretty stupid to me, but to the casual onlooker, you’re removing all doubt.

        And it’s 7 Deadly Sins, you buffoon.

      • David

        Sorry baboon but there are 10 commandments not seven.

        “…because of what can be clearly seen from three different camera angles.”

        So you can ‘see’ intent in a video? Gee you should get together with MN-boy and his psychic ability. The two of you would make a great stage act.

        “And if I were you, I’d give up on the “speed increase-forward/reverse” thing. You already look pretty stupid to me, but to the casual onlooker, you’re removing all doubt.”

        Maybe you should make that a comedy act. The person who was driving the Ady Gil said he accelerated yet you claim the person that believes what the helmsman said looks stupid rather than the person who wasn’t there yet claims the helmsman is wrong.

  • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

    The Ady Gill and crew were just dumb and naive like sitting ducks, cracking jokes and relaxing while a big whaling ship is straight heading to them.
    But its the Shonan Maru who is at fault and just plain criminal for deliberately ramming a much smaller vessel in hostile antarctic waters and endangering lives.

    • From MN, with hope…

      That’s pretty much just basic terms of what the report said.

  • Chris H.

    Regarding David’s “proof” of the Ady Gil being maneuverable at slow speeds; apparently he didn’t read the full investigation report after all (or perhaps he did read it, but he’s hoping that nobody else did…).

    From the report (page 11, or page 20 of the pdf document):

    “60. Ady Gil’s design enabled good manoeuvrability at high speeds but, due to the design of her propeller and the location of the rudders on the sponsons, the vessel was not very manoeuvrable at speeds under 12 knots. Water flowing past the rudder was not adequate to create a turning movement. At low speeds, using the engines to create an effective turning torque was more effectual.

    61. When moving Ady Gil’s throttles from neutral to ahead or neutral to astern, the respective gears had to be engaged, which was reported by the Ady Gil master [Pete Bethune] to take between two and four seconds. Moving the throttles directly from ahead to astern without waiting for the gears to disengage and re-engage could potentially stall the engines.

    62. A few days prior to the collision, the manual steering helm was found to have minor problems and the vessel was reportedly being steered under auto helm, which involves controlling the rudder with a dial control or buttons. This is a longer process than simply turning a wheel. This manner of steering is not as effective at low speeds or in conditions of moderate sea or swell.”

    This excerpt indicates that the AG was not very maneuverable at low speeds, though apparently it was possible to put one prop in reverse and one prop in forward to assist turning at low speeds (which seems to be what was happening in the YT clip that David linked to), but this maneuver requires time to engage the gears correctly, and an experienced hand at the helm (which Jason Stewart was not) to perform it correctly.

    The same section of the report also deals with the visibility astern, and it indicates that port side visibility astern extended only 10 degrees astern of directly to port (page 12). This would mean that the SM#2, which was approaching at an angle of roughly 60 degrees astern of directly to port, would have been in the helmsman’s blind spot.

    These two facts would indicate that the helmsman (Jason Stewart) would not have been able to see the SM#2 approaching the AG from his position at the helm, and that when he did eventually become aware of the SM#2′s proximity and direction, he had very limited options to get the AG out of the path of the SM#2.

    So, David can spin all the BS that he can muster, but his version of the “truth” does not correspond very well with what is in the MNZ collision report.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Animals_deserve_rights

    I stand behind Mr. Pete Bethune and look forward to being an ECO-WARRIOR!!!

  • http://www.yahoo.com Animals_deserve_rights

    I would also like to say I support the volunteers of SSCS but my respect for Paul is fading fast!

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