But Animux, you forgot the part also where the “common fisherpersons” ( ie Japanese whalers) aimed their ship at the Ady Gil, almost killing her crew…now that is terrorism!

Keep up the great work Romika…because of you, Japan was unable to get a supply ship this year.

Sorry Edna, my Japlish is a little rusty, could you clarify what “whoelers” means…

TIA

@Boo

Ahh, that’s what I thought, thanks!

Well maybe they like TV? I do hope that they are watching animal planet.

Ecorazzi have already confirmed that Captain Paul Watson is in fact Paul Watson.

Poor effort there, Romika3.

PS how was your all expenses paid trip to the whaling conference? There is a rumor going around town that it has been suggested that Ginza Glen Inwood kept his best call girls for all the pro whaling crew…can you confirm whether this is really true?

Good one Ednakookoo…we cant really blame you for the Japanese failure at getting a supply ship…we can blame you though for being Ednakookoo.

With you on the pro-whalers side, who needs SSCS?

Perhaps I was mistaken. Paul’s writing has improved or perhaps he has someone writing his postings for him. Again, as pointed out in many past posts, we have issues with the SSCS methods, using terror tactics to achieve their goals, attacking and demonizing the “frontline” fisherperson, and selecting issues based on potential media and fundraising potential. Just a few questions perhaps. Can you post the data that supports your directing your efforts towards a species (minke whales) that are not endangered will ignoring those that are. On the issue of sealing, which SSCS states that they are out of the sealing business, yet the SSCS is still requesting donations under the umbrella the seal harvest. Where is this money going to? Is it being directed towards subgroups that still continue to post hate web pages and make threading phone calls to the fishermen of Eastern Canada. And finally you call yourself a conservation organization yet you utilize violence as your primary conservation tool. Can you please share with use your definition of conservation.

@ednakano You have come to insults because you have ran out of lies, calling captain watson fat. Let me ask you, have you ever had a wife who was a playboy model? No? thats what I thought.

December 3, 2010 at 1:31 pm, I posted three questions for Mr. Watson to respond to, he did not because is can not, that is the nature of Mr. Watson and the SSCS.

The Captain does not have his “Captain’s Ticket” therefore the term “Captain” is not necessary in Watson’s case.

Once again david you have it backwards. We respect Paul, and Captain is his ‘nickname’ or a term of respect.

No-one expects you to show Captain Paul Watson any respect David. Nor do we want you to.

In fact, it is actually better for Sea Shepherd if you and your merry band of little men continue to poke and prod and make your cat calls.

Think about it for a second.

The media reacts to those sorts of things and pick up on them.

This in turn keeps the topic of whaling current.

All the better if you can try and promote the idea of violence or scandal within this whole whaling issue…as well as the whole idea of celebrity.

Because then the media picks up on this and it turns into a story which you will see on the front pages of your newspaper.

The more that the japanese whaling gets attention, the more likely it is that it will be stopped.

Which ons were caused by Sea Shepherd?

There will always be bumps and bruises & scrapes , which is why there is a medical office on board the SS ships + a small hospital.

Luckily the morgue wasn’t required when the Japanese tried to murder the Ady Gil crew, but it was a close call.

Matt…the ‘is he or isn’t he” question has been covered before. If Paul Watson was not a Captain then he would not be able to leave port or enter a port.

The other pro whalers on here know that.

As far as I know, the Dalai Lama is on the sea shepherd side. In fact the Dalai Lama said recently that he supported Sea Shepherd’s goal of preventing whalers from harming the mammals. all he said ( via a Tokyo reporter) was that the SS activities should be non violent. Which of course they are.

The Japanese have killed three of their crew, and then spray pepper spray in their own faces before crying home to mummy. They then distort the truth and blame SS.

Any Japanese vessel which enters an Australian port will be arrested…Japan knows this which is why they have to travel half way home back to Japan whenever there is a problem.

Matt…there are no ports in Antarctica.

japan has a long history of entering the waters of other countries.

for instance in the United States, the “ordinary every day” fishermen are AGAINST the Japanese Fishing Fleet. The Japanese fishing fleet was found to be victimizing American Fishermen, their livelihoods and families. In a ruse by the Japanese Fishing Fleet that was found to be stretching back years, the ECONOMIST investigative reporters found that the Japanese Fishing Fleet was systematically coming into U.S. territorial waters (Japan illegally invading sovereign American territory) and violating fishing quotas taking more fish than allowed in illegal fishing operations. The Japanese then short-changed U.S. Fishermen, and then turned around and sold the excess fish back as if it were part of the allowed quota, and also dumped it at below-market prices, thereby scuttling the profits of American fishermen who depended upon it for their livelihood and to put food on the table for their families and children. Also the U.S. Coast Guard has engaged the Japanese Fleet and warned them to stay out of U.S. fisheries waters in more than 15 such incidents, wherein the Japanese enter U.S. waters, poach, and then flee outside the territorial limit when they see the Coast Guard cutters approaching. The Japanese then sit just out of the limit and laugh and scoff at U.S. military personnel and then simply wait until the ship has to leave to take care of a real emergency rescue and then the Japanese Fishing Fleet sneaks back in and poaches more fish again. This was all logged in Coast Guard reports and reported in THE ECONOMIST.

david…that is getting awful far from the discussion. Or is that just your way of saying that you know you lost the original points.

David said:

“Although they do a vital job and do it very well the US Coast guard is not part of the military and members of the US Coast Guard are not US military personnel.”

Well David, you know how I hate to disagree with you (because I know that you’re always right, and the rest of us are just know-nothing-scumbag-hippies…), but I just can’t remain silent on this one. The USCG are indeed part of the US military.

http://www.uscg.mil/top/about/

Now, something tells me that, as a former member of the US Navy (as you claim to be), you should know a “simple fact” like that…

I do not live in the US, nor am I ex-military (or CG), but even I know that the USCG is part of the US military… Are you sure that you’re not sitting in a cr*ppy little apartment in Shibuya Ward?

Impforwhales: “Japan has a long history of entering the waters of other countries.” it is not the just the Japanese. The major cause for the loss of the Northern Cod Stocks is attributed to the European offshore fleets fishing the water of the North East Coast of Newfoundland and Labrador for 500 hundred years (Newfoundland and Labrador practiced an inshore small boat fishery until the early eighities). The extension to the 200 mile limit did reduce this but they still fish “close” often moving within the 200 mile limit. This is handled thought close monitoring by air and ship and I believe the use of GPS location beacons. The bottom-line is that violence is not a tool in this case. Watson however who proclaims himself savior of the world practices the use to terrorism and terror tactics to achieve his goals. As mentioned in a previous post, strip this away and the SSCS does nothing in the area of conservation other than sell a few tee shirts.

The SSCS by definition is not a conservation organization but rather it is a terrorist organization who by-the-way I believe also supports sub organizations to carry out further “dirty” work. If the SSCS was really a conservation organization they would be down in the southern ocean with their three boats as platforms to do some “real” whale science, collecting data to fill in the gaps on whale population, range and migration patterns. All of this date then could be used to either support or not support the sustainable harvest and management of some whale species in the Southern Ocean. However, as I pointed out in earlier posts this is real “work” and for Watson and is want-to-be pseudo warriors running around in front of a TV camera, throwing things like a bunch of youngsters, lying and distorting data, and squeezing money out of old ladies is much easier.

Chris H. FAIL #1
McMurdo Station:
http://www.sciencefriday.com/blog/2010/12/life-in-mcmurdo-station-antarctica/

“McMurdo has a harbor for supply ships, landing strips for aircraft on the sea ice and shelf ice, and a helicopter pad.”

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1. a part of a body of water along the shore deep enough for anchoring a ship and so situated with respect to coastal features, whether natural or artificial, as to provide protection from winds, waves, and currents.
2. such a body of water having docks or port facilities.
3. any place of shelter or refuge: The old inn was a harbor for tired travelers.

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1. a city, town, or other place where ships load or unload.
2. a place along a coast in which ships may take refuge from storms; harbor.
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4. a geographical area that forms a harbor: the largest port on the eastern seaboard.
5. Informal . an airport.

Chris H. FAIL #2
““Matt”, aka “TrueMetis”, aka Chad Matthews, BC, Canada.”

I’m from Detroit. Neither of those is my name. I went by Matt134 on the Whale Wars Discovery forum where I made SSCS CEO Steve Roest tie himself in verbal knots.

Matt,

you used the word “port”. When imforthewhales said “there are no ports in Antartica”, you said “[y]es, actually there are”. Then you gave the example of McMurdo Station.

The problem is that McMurdo Station is not a port. Although it does have a harbor, as was noted in your cut & paste job, a harbor and a port are not the same thing. If you need me to tell you the difference between a port and a harbor, I will do, but I think that you may want to look up the difference yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMurdo_Station#Contemporary_function_and_history

P.S. Don’t try to be a smart-ass and tell me that it has a heliport, because we all know that we’re talking about shipping ports here.

Look a ship tied up and unloading in Antarctica.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Operation_Deep_Freeze_2007%2C_McMurdo_Station_070207-N-0469C-001.JPEG

That would be a port.

This is pathetic. You guys keep finding these pseudo-topics to argue about and they are meaningless. The fact of the matter is that the whaling fleet is on its ass, not being able to procure the resources it has grown used to, to hunt whales. The fact of the matter is that SSCS has grown to three ships, three crews, provisions, helicopter and crews. The fact of the matter is that SSCS is in position to intercept and interdict whaling operations much better than in previous years. The fact of the matter is that all the hysteria and vitriol stirred up by the pro-whaling faction has not hurt SSCS one iota and may have, possibly, strengthened it. Flap your wrists, wring your hands and whine all you want boyz. You’re not accomplishing anything but giving me something to laugh at.

“Should we get violent and throw things like SSCS instead? Would that make you happy?”

First of all, Matt, I’m already happy. If I was any happier, I’d be twins. Here we are at the start of a whole new season and all the indicators point to your boyz being issued a beatdown that’s going to send them home crying to mama-san. Should you get violent? You already have! I distinctly recall the use of concussion grenades, water cannon, heavy steel nuts and bolts being thrown at SSCS crewmembers….and oh yeah, the Shonan Maru deliberately ramming the Ady Gil. Not to mention the use of explosive tipped harpoons being shot at babies and their mothers. Nope, you guys already have a sterling record of violence and cowardice. No need to take it any further. You do have strange tastes in who you pick as heroes, though.

“First of all, Matt, I’m already happy. If I was any happier, I’d be twins.”

So, what’s with all the whining about “pathetic” arguments then? If you’re so happy, go be happy. Leave us to ourselves.

“Should you get violent? You already have! I distinctly recall the use of concussion grenades, water cannon, heavy steel nuts and bolts being thrown at SSCS crewmembers….and oh yeah, the Shonan Maru deliberately ramming the Ady Gil. Not to mention the use of explosive tipped harpoons being shot at babies and their mothers. Nope, you guys already have a sterling record of violence and cowardice.”

All of which is in response to the violence of the SSCS making it defensive. SSCS violence came first – I’m here decrying the violence of the SSCS – you’re here supporting it. Want the violence to stop? Stop SSCS. And NO, hunting whales is not violence.

Matt,

since you are incapable of listening to reason, and you don’t have the integrity to admit when you are obviously wrong, you have earned a place on my “ignore” list.

Have a nice life. Goodbye.

Matt wrote: “SSCS violence came first – I’m here decrying the violence of the SSCS – you’re here supporting it. Want the violence to stop? Stop SSCS. And NO, hunting whales is not violence.”

Bullshit. You’re no better than romika in that when you’re not lying you’re just being stupid. The violence of the whalers came first. The violence of an unnecessary, inhumane and archaic industry came first. The murder of baby whales first, to make killing its parents easier came first. That’s what needs to be stopped. And progress is being made.

As I keep saying, more boats, faster boats, more crews, upgrades to technology, more donations. This is what SSCS has to show, while the whalers drag their pathetic asses down to Australia at half strength. You guys are losing the war, you will eventually lose the war entirely. And when you do, romika will get his wish: These dregs of humanity will be forced to become genuine “frontline” fishermen and not the caricatures of fishermen that they are now. Stay by your computers boyz, we’ll let you know when that happens.

“Care to point out one single lie of mine???”

1. “The SSCS is absolutely a violent organization, in fact, they owe their very existance to the commission of violence.”

2. “SSCS violence came first”

3. “And NO, hunting whales is not violence.”

Right there, three examples of either intentional lying or unintentional stupidity.

“having to change your story day after day, based on the drivel the spills from Watson. Sounds like hard work.”

Again, You’re either lying or you’re being stupid. At no time during my tenure here have I changed “my story”. And, come to think of it, neither has SSCS. And as to “hard work”? No, I really haven’t seen anyone around here make me work hard. Debating with you guys is a joke, especially after reading the drivel from above. “Port and harbor are synonyms, my mommy told me so.” As they say in hockey, back to the pond, rookie.

“That’s not going to change regardless of how blue in the face you get and how much you scream to the contrary, Michael.”

I don’t get blue in the face nor do I scream. I don’t need too. Nothing that goes on in this or any forum is going to change the major league bitch-slapping your heroes are going to get when they (finally) reach the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary. Nothing is going to change the fact that your heroes have their collective ass hanging out, all thanks to SSCS. Nothing is going to change the fact that, it really doesn’t matter what happens this season. 2012, 2013, 2014….SSCS will be in the SO for as long as your idiot-children heroes in the ICR want to keep playing this charade.

@Matt…what has any of this got to do with the fact that the Japanese are losing the whaling war and cannot even beg, buy or borrow a supply ship after the oriental Whale Meat was de-flagged by Panama for illegal whale meat transport and fined?

What exactly SSCS has done? Have you been living under a big, fat paycheck from the whalers or something? The Japanese are slaughtering less and less and less and less whales, and coming up short to their quotas, as well as mounting international pressure AND awareness of what goes on with whales. That is what the SSCS has done!

Is whaling still ocurring? Yes, BUT it is a dying industry, not the thriving one it once was, if it ever was. With all that whale meat kept in the freezers i have doubts that anyone still thinks it was a great idea to go out and kill whales for meat, because the research excuse nobody buys.

So what are you so worried about then romika?

SSCS seems to bother you a great deal…you spend hours of every day tapping out your messages,,yet by your own account SSCS don’t do anything.

It seems strange that you would waste your time on here , and everyone elses, over an org that doesn’t do anything or have any achievements.

Whaling hasn’t been a thriving industry since the 1970′s. And since JARPA I and JARPAN I started, the Japanese never reached their quotas, that would be almost 20 years before Sea Shepherd started their campaigns.

You know Norway hasn’t meet their quota for years. Is that Sea Shepherds doing?

There was more international pressure AND awareness in the 1970′s with the Save the Whales movement. Which actually accomplished something by getting most countries to agree to a commercial whaling moratorium. Has SSCS gotten any countries to stop whaling? Have they gotten any whale protection laws passed?

But romika3…surely if an outfit is as worthless as SSCS, as you are making out, then they are not worth worrying about? Or are you secretly annoyed at the SSCS success in bringing attention to things such as the baby seal slaughter and japanese commercial whaling?

BTW…neither seals nor whales are fish.

It will be nice to see those Japanese whaling criminals get what they deserve this season.

From the sounds of things you will get much pleasure out of it, I’m sure, David.

How about I come over to your house and ram it and throw acid in your face? Then you can tell everyone about how altruistic you think I am.

i think Bob is on your side romika3.

Sorry Bob, evertime I see the word “acid” is think of the SSCS. My apologies.

Bob
>ram it and throw acid in your face?
SSCS doing those things and The Antarctic Ocean is high see. Not your back
yard.

Aosl Paul Watson himself always mention he hate human being. If you tried to deny it you blame Paul Watson as liar.

“Lol…now having realized his mistake, Bob and Romika3 are off for a beer…lol…” you can be well assured we won’t be buying that $600.00 SSCS beer as the funds are sure to be wasted.

romika, if you can’t tell when someone is on your side (which confirms everyones suspicion about your intelligence), maybe you should stay away from the alcohol. You and your knee-jerk responses will just have to rely on your collection of anti-depressants.

Prop fouling, for those of you who know no better can be serious and can cause a vessel to founder in heavy seas due to a lack of control. We had two drowning this summer when a small vessel lost power in heavy seas and was unable to get the bow into the wind. I am surprised that SSCS can get away with this tactic especially in the southern ocean that is notorious for its heavy weather.

Romika3…the whole idea is to prop foul the japanese whaling ships so that they cannot kill whales.

If the Japanese whalers do not like this tactic then they can always go home.

Don’t worry Romika3, if any of the Japanese ships founder, I’m sure SSCS will rescue the crew and take them back to Tasmania ( where the whalers will be thrown in jail and charged with crimes against nature)

Thanks David…another mention of the terrorist word…gee i cant see Japan getting supply vessel anytime soon can you?

if Japanese whaling ships ever entered an Australian port then they would become illegal immigrants for one…probably thrown into some detention center for a while….then I suppose the Australian authorities would be looking closely at The Australian Federal court order against the Japanese whaling fleet.

In January 2008 HSI secured a historic victory against the Japanese whalers in the Australian Federal Court. After a four year long court case the Federal Court issued a judgement that declared Japanese whaling in the Australian Whale Sanctuary in Antarctica to be a breach of Australian law and issued an injunction ordering the hunt to be stopped.

The decision from the Federal Court is historic in that it is the first time the Japanese whalers have been taken to court and it confirms that the hunt is illegal. HSI served the order that the hunt be stopped at the company’s headquarters in Tokyo and we have called on them to abandon the hunt immediately. They have ignored the injunction and their continued whaling in the Australian Whale Sanctuary is in contempt of the Australian Federal Court.

Therefore they can be charged with contempt, non?

So what you are saying David is that the the Sea Shepherd ships could just truck on over to Tokyo at their convenience , enter port and go for a nice little sightseeing cruise?

Please provide some links to support your claims David.

The decision from the Federal Court was the first time that the Japanese whalers have been taken to court.

The result was a win by the Humane society International against the illegal Japanese whale poachers.

Note that there were no Australian whaling companies taken to court. That is probably because there are no Australian whaling companies and there are no Australian registered ships taking whales illegally.

This was a case specifically against the Japanese whaling company Kyodo Senpaku Kaisha which has an annual self serving permit from the Japanese government ( the financial backers of the japanese whaling fleet) to kill whales.

The AFC court order confirms that the Japanese hunt is illegal.

HSI served the order that the hunt be stopped at the company’s headquarters in Tokyo…( not at any Australian whaling companies in Sydney or Canberra)

initially, the government blocked attempts by HSI to serve papers to the whaling company, ( Kyodo Senpaku) however HSI obtained court approval to serve the documents via alternate means, which meant that the court case could go ahead.

The Australian Whale Sanctuary was proclaimed in 2000 under the Environment Protection and Biodiversity Conservation (EPBC) Act 1999, and includes the waters within Australia’s 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone adjacent to the Australian Antarctic Territory. Since July 2000 when the Act came into effect, hunting whales in the Australian Whale Sanctuary has been an offence attracting heavy penalties.

Yet, between 2000 and 2006, HSI estimates that Kyodo Senpaku Kaisha has killed in excess of 1300 whales within the Australian Whale Sanctuary in breach of Australian law with hundreds more added every year.

In an open letter to the Japanese government, published in 2002 in the New York Times and sponsored by the World Wildlife Fund (WWF), 21 scientists declared that they “believe Japan’s whale ‘research’ program fails to meet minimum standards for credible science”. They were “concerned that Japan’s whaling program is not designed to answer scientific questions relevant to the management of whales; that Japan refuses to make the information it collects available for independent review; and that its research program lacks a testable hypothesis or other performance indicators consistent with accepted scientific standards”. They accused Japan of “using the pretense of scientific research to evade its commitments to the world community”

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter, David.

Can we all take a moment to reflect on how pathetic it is that the ICR can’t find a ship to buy? In Japan, a huge maritime market, they can’t find a ship. In Asia (Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, China, Korea, etc), no one will sell or charter them a ship. How sad is that? It puts into perspective what a paper tiger the ICR really is. There is also some perspective of how strident (and paid for) the pro-whaling trolls are in here, yet they support an organisation that can’t take care of its own needs.

Have you noticed that when the questions are posted Watson conveniently disappears.

Has pointed out in a previous post he now has the “big ball” on the top of his ship, thus internet access and monitoring.

“I have no intention of bantering with the usual anonymous suspects.” A typical excuse from him and members of the SSCS.

“You obfuscate, distort and lie and when it doesn’t work,” Sounds like a quote right out of Paul Waston’s book “Earthforce” in that book Watson states that it is all right to lie and distort data. Ignorant, well isn’t that calling the kettle black!

None of our posts have indicated that we have a hatred for Paul Watson. Our issue has been the methods employed by the SSCS. The use of terror and terrorist tactics to acheive their goals, the selection of issues based on the potential money making and media potential, and the attack on “fontline” fisherpersons. By the way Watson is not an admirial nor does he have his captians ticket.

SSCS spent more money to take video but not real effect for it.

“Now you’re not only lying, but you can’t even pull it off without looking like a fool. ALL of your posts have indicated your hatred of Admiral Watson.” perhaps that is how you see it. Read them again. In Watson’s book Earthforce he tells his followers to lie and distort data. Do you really think anybody believes what his organizaion says. His numbers are distorted, he doesn’t even know the status of the whales he claims to protect. His organization uses terror and terrorist tactics to acheive thier goals (see footage on Youtube, SSCS homepage etc), he selects issuse based on their money making and media potential (see Watson’s interview with the late Barbra Frum on CBC radio), he promotes the demonization of the commom fisherperson. If the SSCS was a real conservation organization you would see none of this.

Unfortunately, anti-environmentalist antagonists and industry fronts continue to make false allegations and gross exaggerations in order to demonize environmental activists. They attempt to evoke an emotional response through the use of incendiary terms like ‘terrorist’ regardless of the circumstances involved.

For example, romika3 who has admitted to being a sealer from Canada, and therefore the focus of environmental protest, continues to call the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society a terrorist organization. Yet, in the entire history of Sea Shepherd, the activists have never attempted or threatened to kill anyone, hold anyone hostage or beat anyone up. Regardless, romika and other antagonists falsely compare the organization to violent murderers responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Sea Shepherd activists shoot cameras, not machine guns, and throw stink bombs, not grenades. Throwing stink bombs at a boat is not terrorism.

When it comes to violent action over environmental protest whalers, sealers, miners, loggers, poachers and shark finners (and more) have actually assaulted activists. In some cases, environmental activists have been brutally murdered. However, I have yet to find an example where environmental activists purposely killed anyone, anywhere. As far as I know, it has never happened.

Unfortunately, these antagonists are not concerned with the reality of environmental activism. They’re simply part of an ongoing negative campaign to demonize environmental causes and champions.

I think this pretty much sums up most of the pro-whaling brigand on here.

No doubt Romika3 will try to turn this around somehow.

Coming from one of the original name-callers, your comments carry a lot of weight, romika.

Ah, typical pro-whaling double standard. “We can say what we want, but the moment you guys try to, we are going to flap our wrists and make accusations.”

There is no truth whatsoever to your claims. If anyone is a terrorist around here, it’s the whalers. They use violence to further the goals that only they want. The Japanese people don’t want whale meat, no one else wants whale meat. But, by God, they are going to stick to their “rights” to shed blood and cause death. Just like the Taliban and Al Queda. The whalers are the ones who have used dangerous and possibly lethal weapons. The whalers are the ones who targeted a helicopter in flight with a weapon. The whalers are the terrorists. Oooops. There I go “name calling” again.

To confirm the use of terror and terrorism tactics go to YouTube or SSCS homepage to view members of the SSCS organization attacking fishermen and inciting violence.