by ecorazzicontributor
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Earlier this week we told you about a letter that Tommy Lee sent to SeaWorld on behalf of PETA that addressed some concerns the rocker had over the method in which whale sperm samples were collected… To be blunt, I’m talking about whale masturbation here, folks.

According to Lee’s initial letter, he claimed that Tilikum, the killer whale involved in the deaths of three people this year, including his trainer, has been confined to a tank barely larger than its own body and is also being treated as a sperm bank for the park.

In the letter, Lee stated, “We understand that you refuse to release this frustrated whale because he is your chief sperm bank, and we know from SeaWorld’s own director of safety (as well as videos on the web) that the way you get his sperm is by having someone get into the pool and masturbate him with a cow’s vagina filled with hot water.”

Gross.

But SeaWorld’s VP of Communications, Fred Jacobs, quickly replied by saying, “The process of collecting semen for this process doesn’t differ in any meaningful way from the techniques employed in managing livestock or other species from zoological display.” He then argued that, “Lee also contends that semen is collected from Tilikum using a ‘cow’s vagina filled with hot water.’ This is beyond ludicrous. Whatever his views on SeaWorld, Mr. Lee would be wise to spend more time checking his facts.”

So, the plot thickens now as Lee has penned a new letter, this time directed to Terry Prather, the President of SeaWorld. We were given a copy of this letter by a PETA rep, and you can see it in full after the jump below.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Vote_for_Pedro

    Rock on! Good for him!! GO Tommy!

  • David

    Mr. Lee’s counter response doesn’t make sense; maybe he did a little too much something while on tour with Motley Crue.

    He seems to make a big deal about how someone must be in the water with the whale while the collection takes place, a point that Mr. Prather never denied.

    He also mentions the statements of two former Sea World employees, which contradict each other. One says a cow vagina is used the other a plastic bag.

    He also brings up safety concerns for the people involved yet in the first letter he complains about how small the tank used is. But if it is a small tank that would prevent the whale from leaping out of the water and grabbing anyone (even though Mr. Lee claims they are in the water with the orca so why leaping from the water would be involved is hard to understand).

    As Mr. Prather says, the practices they use doesn’t differ in any meaningful way from the techniques employed in managing livestock or other species from zoological display. A point Mr. Lee completely ignores. Does he have a better way? I am sure the zoological community would be happy to listen to his new and improved method.

    • Blake

      Saying it’s just like every other collection method ignores the point that this is completely inhumane. They should not be collecting these animals’ semen at all, as they belong in the wild as all wild animals do.

    • SetTilikumFREE

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    • http://www.TheEthicalMan.com Dan

      David, Lee’s response makes perfect sense. Part of Lee’s and PETA’s original complaint was that trainers are put at risk by having to collect semen from a whale with a history of taking out his quite understandable confinement-related frustrations on his immediate surroundings.

      Prather offered a strikingly vague, obviously PR-filtered response to the original correspondence. He countered that affirmative claims relating to the use of a cow’s vagina were “beyond ludicrous.” That’s what we call a non-denial denial — though it isn’t quite as blatantly disingenuous as his failure to respond at all to the original complaint about proximity of the trainers during their unsavory whale groping.

      You might think that proximity concern is over-blown. But whether or not that’s the case, Lee and PETA made a claim; it received nothing close to an adequate response from SeaWorld/Prather; and so they quite sensibly pursued it further in their follow-up.

  • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

    “He also mentions the statements of two former Sea World employees, which contradict each other. One says a cow vagina is used the other a plastic bag.”

    Are you saying the Sea World staffers are LIARS ? Did it occur to you that maybe they use various methods ; one time a plastic bag , other time a cows vagina ? Or maybe one staffer just doesnt know and misstakes the cows vagina for a plastic bag.

    “A point Mr. Lee completely ignores.”

    Should mr Lee comment to ALL that is said in the letter ? That is impossible. Mr Lee stays to the topivc and comments on the main subject which is the method how Sea World collects its sperm.

    How about letting mr Lee and Peta visit Sea World and videotape this proces, than we all know the truth.
    So instead of posting your usual poisonous crap, you should contact Sea World and urge them to accept the proposal and videotape it.

    Q for troll David : allowing Peta to videotape the proces would serve the TRUTH yes or no ? Why should this be done in secrecy ?

    All things that you so fervently defend are nothing but dirty little secrets that the people involved dont want the world to know. All you, troll David, are involved in, is smear campaigns, wrecking discussions, disinformation, insulting people, and down right lies so the whalers, the dolphin killers, the killer whaler masturbators, can keep their little secrets a litte longer.
    These people say they dont do nothing wrong, yet they desperately keep what they do a secret. The guy who photographed whaling a decade or so ago , so the whole world finally had a good look at the japanese whalers, was sued by the whaling company for doing so. Why, i ask you. I tell you, because these people know what they do, its ugly, its filthy, but its done because Whaling, Sea World, killing and capturing dolphins for the entertainment industry, it is very big money.
    Your job is to keep the lid on the garbage bin, so to speak, eh. But I bet you get paid peaunuts, you little wanker monkey, thats just a joke, not respected by your employer, nor by your oponent, and i know guys like you usually dont have too much selfrespect. Sounds like a life in shame.

    • David

      Pretty hypocritical that a person that spends so much time whining about people calling other people names should spend so much of his post calling other people names.

      Is that what the SSCS teaches their paid posting trolls or where you that way before they started paying you?

      “Should mr Lee comment to ALL that is said in the letter ?”

      Where did I ever say he should? I made an observation.

      “That is impossible.”

      No it isn’t.

      “allowing Peta to videotape the proces would serve the TRUTH yes or no ?”

      No. Because when the videotape doesn’t show what PETA claims they will just say that it was staged. So Sea World loses either way. They have nothing to gain by letting PETA videotape anything.

      “Why should this be done in secrecy ?”

      Why shouldn’t it be done in secrecy? All phases of artificial insemination for other captive breeding programs is usually done in private; my guess is for safety and hygiene reasons, so why should this be any different? Unless maybe you, PETA and Mr. Lee are just unusually interested in watching an Orca be masturbated. And why do PETA and Mr Lee seem to only be worried about the Orca captive breeding, what about all the other species that are handled in very similar ways?

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        you very conveniently dont answer the firast question that i had, instead you give the usual bs.

        again, do you call the Sea Wolrd staffers LIARS ? As said, it were Sea World staffers who said that a Cows Vagina was used for the masturbation of the Killer Whale. This observation comes from Sea World staffers themselves.

        “why shouldnt it be done in secrecy?”
        1. because it involves animals and if its done in secrecy nobody can check how animals are treated and so animals are totally dependent on a few people who can done anything without being checked.
        2. because we live in a modern open society that holds “transparancy” high in its standards. Its part of freedom of information, so people can make a sound judgement and a sound opinion and make sound decisions.
        We are not little children that have to be kept in the dark.

      • David

        Gee you SSCS paid trolls sure get testy.

        “again, do you call the Sea Wolrd staffers LIARS ?”

        Based on what was said in the letter I would assume one of them is lying. There you happy now?

        “1. because it involves animals and if its done in secrecy nobody can check how animals are treated and so animals are totally dependent on a few people who can done anything without being checked.”

        Aren’t there agencies that police zoos and aquariums, so every individual doesn’t have to personally check on every aspect of our modern society?

        “2. because we live in a modern open society that holds “transparancy” high in its standards. Its part of freedom of information, so people can make a sound judgement and a sound opinion and make sound decisions.
        We are not little children that have to be kept in the dark.”

        So the next time your wife or girlfriend or sister has a pap smear it should be done in public because we all have a right to know and need transparency? I mean we aren’t little children that have to be kept in the dark.

  • http://www.wetgoddess.net Malcolm J. Brenner

    The fact is, Sea World makes its millions by enslaving sentient creatures who are very close to us humans in terms of their cognition and self-awareness. A killer whale bred and raised at Sea World isn’t a real killer whale, it’s a look-alike humans have made to entertain themselves. It cannot travel, hunt, fight, love or mate like its real-world counterparts; its life is circumscribed by humans to the point that it doesn’t have the life it evolved to live. Do you really need any better argument for shutting these places down?

    • David

      “Do you really need any better argument for shutting these places down?”

      Yes, I do. The same thing can be said of virtually every farm, zoo and aquarium animal. Why is this case different?

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        Hey genius, Malcoms says “places” as in “plural”, so he obviously talks not only about one place (Sea World) but about places with captive animals, such as zoo’s and aquariums. (correct me if i am wrong, dear Malcolm)
        Learn to read, profesor David.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        and “farms” doesnt fit the description that Malcolm gives, because Malcolm talks about captive animals used for entertaining people. )and farms are animals used for other purposes but not entertainment)
        Anyway, keep up the inteligent questions, your mum will be so proud.

      • David

        Animals aren’t captive in farms? Gee could have fooled me. But fine, rather than nit pick;

        Yes, I do. The same thing can be said of virtually every zoo and aquarium animal. Why is this case different?

        There is the paid troll happy?

        Oh and yes some farms are for entertainment. About 3 seconds of effort easily found.

        http://www.aussiefarmentertainment.com.au/

        “Aussie Farm Tours are EDUCATIONAL, INTERESTING, ENTERTAINING, and great for international student groups.

        Groups will learn about how bananas grow; prepare and cook aussie damper; enjoy a skillful working dog display; mustering demonstration with Brahman cattle, whipcracking; milk a cow; ride a stock horse, and pat all the farm animals – sheep, cattle, horses, ducks, chickens, goats, and the working dogs. Sheep shearing display is available by request.”

        I hope you still get your pay even when you are wrong. I might feel bad if you next check from the SSCS was smaller because of me.

  • niikkii

    why do people care about animals more than humans ?

    • Nancy

      Where do you get “care more” from? It’s about caring the same, as in being considerate, as in respect, as in not being so egocentric to think the world revolves only around you and those who are like you. Animals don’t have a voice for the abuses and exploitation they face so someone has to stand up and be a champion for humanity. Haven’t we been through this a million times?! I fear for society when such a simple human concept like compassion is so difficult for people to grasp.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Vote_for_Pedro

    Nikki- it is because humans have the voice and option to change their lives and stick up for themselves. Animals do not. They are at the mercy of sick, twisted humans who ignorantly feel they own everythig in the world. I can’t speak for any other animal rights activist but that is why I personally care more about animals then people.

  • niikkii

    So people with cancer or aids victims or rape victim people get killed or children cancer patients burn children victims children being molested or sold in white slavery so they had an option? there are some parts of the world were they do not have voices or rights. I’m vegan but I don’t under stand this peta thing its like they try to force people not to eat meat or not to wear fur but people live how they want to live you cannot tell anyone how to live. And that id rather go naked then wear fur okay so its okay to violate people but not animals? I agree it is wrong to hurt animals and that they don’t have voices but we humans don’t have voices yeah we can talk but that dose not mean everyone will listen because if they did then they would stop the slaughtering and butchering of animals I am not trying to argue I just don’t understand the peta thing. Seems to me some humans and animals are all fighting for their lives

    • Nancy

      Yes, people face terrible diseases and violence and championing animal rights doesn’t condone those things. It is just one of many causes we should all be involved in to make the planet a better place. Just because I care about animal rights doesn’t mean I don’t care about child abuse or a war raging in another country BUT I can do something to directly change how animals are treated by being vegan and encouraging others to look at how their lifestyle and society exploits animals, this is what PETA chooses to do. Yes they are sometimes extreme but it requires it to get noticed. They don’t always do it right but thanks to all their effort their has been a change in a positive direction for some animals.

  • bobby

    This is more “sick and twisted” than Tommy Lee choking his girlfriend? More “sick and twisted” than TL beating his wife while she held their 7 week old baby (in front of their 20 month old son)? At least TL was smart enough to want to remove his swastika tattoo before he went to trial for assaulting the Jewish photographer….

  • Anne

    I cannot decide which is more ridicules, Mr. Lee, his letters or some of the responses from supporters of the whole charade. First and foremost, NOTHING is secret. Since the inception of the breeding program the methods have been published in numerous scientific reports. Granted, that probably exceeds Mr. Lees reading skills and perhaps it is just to far over his head. Secondly, presentations of the methodology have also been presented and are easy to locate on-line, again, not really the type of “XXX” rated stuff Mr. Lee is used to being involved in, or the star of, so he probably missed it. Lastly, these methods of breeding have been utilized in Thousands of species for generations, including the human species. And yes, in some circumstances, a second party handles the process when the donor is not capable, it is called husbandry and it has saved countless species that we would have lost had it not been for these efforts. Mr. Lee is just gaining a bit of the media attention in this, do not think for a second he gives two cents about these animals or any others. One look at his own past, and it is easy to see that he loves very little other than himself. What blows my mind, is the gullible individuals that jump on something like this and actually make it a media item. Truly pathetic and another example of the human race being a complete failure!

    • Anthony

      Yeah because people are incapable of change. Actually, they are always more stubborn about their ways, beliefs, desires etc etc as they age. When people get older, they do even more drugs and do stupid shit while they’re under the influence.

      You’re biased. Half of the people here if not more are biased. It’s true the method is somewhat unpleasant, and when it comes to saving a species from extinction I’d agree it would be an necessary evil, but that does not mean it is necessary in this particular instance. The inability to see past your own opinions causes you to blindly argue a point based on personal beliefs, not facts or “truth” if there even is one.

      To believe that human beings are immune to guilt and regret, and that Tommy Lee wasn’t at least a LITTLE drugged up during those incidents (Which I have no idea are true or not, but don’t doubt it) and that maybe his past has softened him up a bit is, in my opinion, ignorant.

      Don’t go nuts with my grammar errors or wording, it’s not my strength.