Sea Shepherd Gojira Narrowly Avoids Collision With Whaling Vessel

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by Michael dEstries February 4, 2011
Categories: Animals, Causes.
Photo: Sea Shepherd

Things are getting a bit “close” down in the Southern Ocean.

With the MV Bob Barker actively searching for the Nisshin Maru factory ship, the high-speed Gojira and other smaller support vessels have been harassing the Yushin Maru No. 3 — a Japanese whaling vessel that up until today, was keeping tabs on the Bob Barker’s movements. The Sea Shepherd used stink and smoke bombs while, in a new twist, the Japanese threw bamboo poles in retaliation.

But it’s the close encounters between the Gojira and the Yushin Maru No. 3 that have been raising fresh memories of the Ady Gil’s demise last year. According to the Sea Shepherd, the Gojira narrowly avoided being rammed earlier today — in what the conservation org is calling a deliberate attempt to destroy the vessel. “It was like staring death in the face when that steel hull suddenly turned into us. We just narrowly avoided being cut in half,” said Captain MacLean.

From the Sea Shepherd release:

Both vessels were on a parallel course, with the Yushin Maru No. 3 on the starboard side of the Gojira. Suddenly the Yushin Maru No. 3 made a hard turn to their port in an attempt to disable the Gojira. Captain MacLean saw this in time to hit the throttle, effectively avoiding collision with the Yushin Maru No. 3 with the stern of the Gojira by a mere 10 feet.

While no videos of the event have surfaced (no doubt “Whale Wars” execs will promote the hell out of this one), the Institute for Cetacean Research did release what appears to be another clip of the Gojira getting real close in another encounter. “The Gojira crosses in front of the Yushin Maru No. 3 and deploys a wire-rope aimed at her propeller and rudder,” reads the release.

Ironically, the captain of the Yushin Maru No. 3 is the same one that was involved in the collision with the Ady Gil last year.

Check out videos of the pole throwing and Gojira crossing below:

About Michael dEstries

Michael has been blogging since 2005 on issues such as sustainability, renewable energy, philanthropy, and healthy living. He regularly contributes to a slew of publications, as well as consulting with companies looking to make an impact using the web and social media. He lives in Ithaca, NY with his family on an apple farm.

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  • Kimitake Hiraoka

    Amazing how the Sea Shepherd fairies start squealing as soon as their violent crimes come back to bite them in the behind. They really should be thanking their lucky stars the Japan Maritime Self Defence Force hasn’t sent them to the bottom… yet.

    But Sea Shepherd seem to be getting desperate and more violent as they continue to fail to stop the JARPA II program. They haven’t seen the Nisshin Maru for weeks and they’re taking out their frustration on the Yushin Maru 3. They’re blowing huge amounts of their donors’ cash down there for no tangible result. It’s looking like the most successful season ever for the whalers so far.

    What is also concerning is that their TV show will be especially dreary this season with no significant violence to document as yet. In the past, this has been the catalyst for Sea Shepherd thugs to carry out increasingly brazen criminal acts of violence against the Japanese vessels to increase their TV ratings. What crimes has Paul Watson got up his sleave now? More acid and incendiary projectiles? More rammings? More illegal boardings?

    • Michael Raymer

      “They really should be thanking their lucky stars the Japan Maritime Self Defence Force hasn’t sent them to the bottom… yet.”

      Yaaawwwwwwnn……hmmph, I’m sorry. Were you saying something?

      “They’re blowing huge amounts of their donors’ cash down there for no tangible result. It’s looking like the most successful season ever for the whalers so far.”

      You might try reading something besides your own words. The whalers are getting their collective asses kicked. Even the ICR itself says that SSCS is a material interference to their whaling operations. Swing and a miss.

      ” their TV show will be especially dreary this season with no significant violence to document as yet.”

      They’re not there for a TV show. They are there for the whales.

      ” this has been the catalyst for Sea Shepherd thugs to carry out increasingly brazen criminal acts of violence against the Japanese vessels to increase their TV ratings.”

      I suggest you take a look at SSCS history. If anything, they’ve toned down their tactics since AP started documenting.

      ” What crimes has Paul Watson got up his sleave now? More acid and incendiary projectiles? More rammings? More illegal boardings?”

      Let’s hope so. That would be kewl.

      • crumpets are yummy

        The pro-whalers think that they are doing good.

    • AnimuX

      Sea Shepherd donors should be quite happy with the latest anti-whaling campaign as Japanese officials publicly (and privately – wiki-leaked) admitted that the interference has prevented the whalers from filling their quotas for several years.

      • imforthewhales

        Yes they have done such a good job I will be donating some more more to SSCS…and double it if they can get another whaling ship across one of their warning ropes.

    • Kimitake Hiraoka

      I have a question and perhaps you two SSCS cheergirls could enlighten me:

      Sea Shepherd devotes the majority of their huge financial resources to interfering with a legally sanctioned and sustainable harvest of minke and humpback whales (both listed as “least concern” by the IUCN).

      Meanwhile, the Southern Bluefin Tuna (listed as “critically endangered” by the IUCN”) is being plundered into extinction, with Australia taking 44% of the global catch.

      But not so much as a peep about it from Sea Shepherd, an organisation that solicits huge financial contributions under the pretense of being a credible maritime conservation organisation.

      Why is this? Does this seem odd to you guys too?
      I mean, Australia is their de facto base right? Wouldn’t take much to go and throw some acid at the Aussie fishermen, would it?

      What’s lacking here? Interest in genuine maritime conservation issues? Testicular fortitude?

      This paradox has been troubling me for a while now and Paul has thus far been unable to provide an intelligent response on the matter. Perhaps you shills could offer some ideas?

      • imforthewhales

        The reason why the tuna are in such bad shape is because Japan has been stealing the tuna. They had a quota and took three times as much as their quota over the past twenty years or so.

        The Japanese Lies have been exposed already and now Japan has promised not to steal any more tuna.

        Australia sells Tuna to japan, perhaps they should stop?

      • Michael Raymer

        Well, I have yet to hear of a “Southern Ocean TUNA Sanctuary” yet. I wish there was one, but no dice so far. SSCS did have a Tuna campaign in the Mediterranean last year.

        ” an organisation that solicits huge financial contributions under the pretense of being a credible maritime conservation organisation.”

        They solicit contributions for being an anti-whaling organisation. They also have a very real presence in the Galapagos Islands. They can only be in so many places in any given year. Perhaps, once they have run the whalers out of the Southern Ocean WHALE Sanctuary, they will be able to attend to other matters. If you are that worried about it, how about you pony up a nice big contribution to SSCS so that they can expand their operations?

        “Paul has thus far been unable to provide an intelligent response on the matter.”

        That’s hilarious, coming from the King of Cut and Run. I was surprised to see a second post from you. It’s been your M.O. to make one puerile post then haul ass before you can be held accountable for it.

        Typical waste-of-time, BS post. “Why aren’t they doing something else?” Because they are doing what they are doing. And doing it well.

      • Kimitake Hiraoka

        Michael, that was paltry. If you’re ever to land yourself a lucrative gig at Sea Shepherd Corporation you’ll have to lift your game there sunshine.

        Even Paul’s answer was better, and that went along the lines of “Stop asking me these difficult and embarrasing questions, my clients are whales not people now gimme some hamburgers” or some such. (And to think he’s being paid the big bucks by SSCS)

        So, re-read my post, have a little think about the points I raised and give it another go. Good lad.

      • David

        The tuna situation is an interesting question.

        Last year the SSCS travel to the other side of the world to protect the Atlantic Bluefin Tuna yet the Southern Bluefin Tuna are in worse shape.

        Of course as you point out Australians are the major fishers of southern tuna, so I guess the SSCS doesn’t want to upset the Australians.

      • Michael Raymer

        Break out the tissue, Kimmy doesn’t approve of my post. So, OK. I re-read your post. Now what? Oh yeah, back to how SSCS is issuing the whalers an ass-kicking of biblical proportions.

        And still no word on your vaunted Maritime Self-Defense Farce…I mean Force. I think the rope broke on their pull-start engines.

        Kimmy, what are YOU doing to help the Tuna stocks? Anything? Or are you hoping SSCS tackles the situation so you can have yet another thing to cry in your sake’ about?

      • km

        Michael, I’m still not understanding this ass-kicking. I hadn’t kept up on the events of late but haven’t the Nisshin Maru and one ship been whaling this entire time? The Japanese sent two ships from the start, one of which I understand is not a whaling ship and is disabled, to tail the SSCS ships. They presumably planned to be tailing them the entire time meaning the two ships that are dedicated to whaling have been whaling as planned with no interference by the SSCS? I also just read that they successfully refueled? I’d love to see some whales saved but I’m not seeing it. If the Bob Barker or Steve Irwin now find the ships that are whaling and now they have a better chance of doing just that, then there will be whales saved but for now, it seems the whales are the losers here.

        As an aside, that blonde haired woman on the Gojira is hot. Finally.

      • Michael Raymer

        Why do people always talk about what they’ve read or what they’ve heard without posting the reference? Especially when it comes to events in and around the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary? There’s not a lot of observers in this particular neighborhood. Without some form of reference, I’m left wondering if you’re getting your info from romika’s “contact” in the Super-Sleuth Spy Network.

      • km

        Is that directed at me? I’ll clarify if needed just tell me what.

      • Michael Raymer

        “They presumably planned to be tailing them the entire time meaning the two ships that are dedicated to whaling [have been whaling as planned with no interference by the SSCS?] [I also just read that they successfully refueled?]

      • km

        I said presumably because I am presuming and it makes no sense that they would begin to tail them and then not continue. Or are you suggesting that the SSCS found them and that the Japanese never planned to dedicate a ship or two to tailing them? If that is not true then we do know that at least one ship, the Yushin Maru 3, was never to be a whaling ship.

        As to the Nisshin Maru and one Yushin Mau whaling as planning, why wouldn’t they as the SSCS has not interfered with their operations? When the SSCS was on them last year, the SSCS determined, in order to reach a 528 number, that they would’ve been successfully catching about 17 whales per day every day had SSCS not interfered.

        As to refueling, I just went on the SSCS website and it said the Nisshin Maru refueled.

      • km

        I’ll add this. No doubt that most people oppose Japanese whaling, including journalists. But for a few media outlets, nobody is reporting SSCS claims as fact.

        The SSCS releases are written for the supporters and when anyone somewhat objective reads them, they see that they make no sense and often contradict each other. The 528 number is the most telling. They certainly saved whales but did not save 528. They were on the fleet for less than half the season last year. I think it was a third and yet they claim they saved more than half the designated quota. And included in that quota, is an allowance for certain whales the Japanese have agreed not to target. In addition to lying, the SSCS followers are learning some bad math. And the release I read today about the Nisshin Maru refueling has math in it that contradicts the math used to arrive at the 528 number. Giving false numbers does not save whales. Saving whales saves whales. Why lie?

        I’m not discounting what SSCS has accomplished but still cannot see the reason for lying. And, you asked yesterday for another lie, the 528 number is one, and one they use to get more donations.

      • romika3

        “Meanwhile, the Southern Bluefin Tuna (listed as “critically endangered” by the IUCN”) is being plundered into extinction, with Australia taking 44% of the global catch.” The answer is simple Watson selects issues based on media and fundraising potential and SAFETY. He knows the Aussies wouldn’t but up with his foolishness for on moment. He would last a day if he tackled the Southern Bluefin Tuna. In fact he wouldn’t be back this spring a the the med blue fin because my sorce has indicated to me that he brought in very little money on it. And if you check out Watson’s interview with the late Babara Frum (CBC) he states it himself back then and it reflects his thinking today.

      • imforthewhales

        Romika…there are hundreds and thousands of environmental issues to be dealt with worldwide.

        One has to pick and choose if they are to be effective especially a small environmental organization like SSCS.

        Japan …typically…was actually the only one breaking the rules in regards to the catching of SO tuna. This has already been exposed and dealt with.

        However, if you think this is not enough, why don’t you tell Japan to stop buying Australian tuna? Why don’ t you tell Japan not to catch the tuna themselves? Japan is, after all, the worlds biggest Tuna market.

      • Jack Malsin

        Get of the site Glenn Inwood you are the pawn of the japanese and an idiot who only cares about money and not the life of the earth you live on.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Didn’t Glenn Inwood get the sack some time ago?

      • crumpets are yummy

        Maybe he has stuffed so much money into his pockets from commercial whaling that he no longer has the need to stick his ugly potato head on TV anymore.

      • boo radley

        You can say a lot of bad things about paedophiles but at least they drive slowly past schools. #

        Glenn Inwoods latest joke on twitter. I wonder if he drives slowly past schools?

    • Jack Malsin

      hey listen sea shepherd has occupied 2/3 of the japanese whaler harpoon ships for almost the entire season Glenn Inwood. Sea Shepherd occupied the supply ship for a couple weeks costing the japanese whaling fleet a ton of money. The japanese fleet is weaker than ever and will soon be shut down. Plus tell the bastards of the yushin maru 3 to admit to there stupid fake distress call.

      • crumpets are yummy

        This might be the last year that SSCS have to go down to the Southern Ocean. Lets face it folks, SSCS have basically crippled the entire Japanese whaling industry. Which, in a way , is a bit of a shame. Good for the whales of course but I am going to miss the Romika3′s and all the other pro-whaling weirdos on here. Its been a lot of fun. I wonder what they will do when there is no whale wars to occupy their feeble brains? (*wipes tears from eyes)

      • David

        Except the YM#3 doesn’t have a harpoon, so it isn’t a harpoon ship. You need to fix your math.

        Also the SSCS didn’t occupy any ships, the ships followed them and they had a lot of trouble losing them.

        As to the supply ship, they followed it because it was almost their only hope of finding the rest of the fleet. When they gave up on that plan the supply ship and fleet got together for refueling almost immediately.

      • Kaiser Sose

        Yep, SSCS sure has crippled the Japanese whaling industry. Never mind that SSCS has been unable to shut down the Southern Ocean research program. Never mind that the Japanese whaling industry is financially and politically backed by the Japanese Government. Never mind that we are closer than ever to seeing the moratorium lifted and the resumption of commercial whaling. Sure, SSCS has basically shut it down!

        Nonce.

      • psychiatry 101

        Self delusion:

        A delusion is a fixed belief that is either false, fanciful, or derived from deception. In psychiatry, it is defined to be a belief that is pathological (the result of an illness or illness process) and is held despite evidence to the contrary. As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, dogma, stupidity, apperception, illusion, or other effects of perception.

        Delusions typically occur in the context of neurological or mental illness, although they are not tied to any particular disease and have been found to occur in the context of many pathological states (both physical and mental). However, they are of particular diagnostic importance in psychotic disorders and particularly in schizophrenia, paraphrenia, manic episodes of bipolar disorder, and psychotic depression.

  • RAPTOR

    GOOD JOB LOCKY!

    • imforthewhales

      Yeah, good job to get out of the way of that nut case Japanese Captain! Isn’ t that the same Captain that destroyed the Ady Gil?

      • David

        Hey imforthewhales have you made good on your bet with Hufingraz yet?

      • imforthewhales

        Hey David, hufingranz has yet to produce receipts for any donations…sorry, t shirts don’t count.

      • David

        Oh so you are back to the lies.

        I saw a donation in there among the T-Shirts.

        So again when are you going to pay off on your bet?

        “imforthewhales, January 25, 2011 at 10:06 pm

        Hufingranz..I would bet you a thousand dollars you have never given anything to Sea Seheperd in your life, ( show us the receipt) …”

        http://www.flickr.com/photos/58934663@N05/5402529876/

        SSreciept3 shows One Time Donation $10. That would be giving to Sea Shepherd.

      • km

        Why don’t t-shirts count? And there is a donation there. No one is expecting you to pay up but acknowledge that you were wrong. You called him a liar. He gave you the information to substantiate his claims that he was a supporter. I guess you are like AnimuX who accused me of something even though he had the evidence in front of him.

        You have no credibility. Then again, look at the example you are given by your leader. Sad actually and proves what I’ve been saying all along regarding what it means when a leader lies. Thank you and AnimuX for proving me right.

        Keep it classy. I’m sure the whales appreciate you turning off potential allies to the cause.

      • imforthewhales

        I am surprised that there are any receipts at all…for anything…for t shirts, donations, real or not.

        I did not see the ten dollars originally so that is good that there is a donation listed on the receipt. Was this ten dollars a part of an act of charity or was it tied to a special offer?

        Regardless, this is way short of the thousands of dollars that was alluded to.

        ” I am sure anyone that works for Sea Shepherd, can check the records for 2008/2009/2010. I spent ***thousands*** in that time period. I can also send a copy of my receipts to your e-mail if you would like.”

      • Hufingraz

        Imforthewhales,
        That was 4 receipts out of about 15. Most of them I deleted because I never thought I would ever need them again. But just to prove that I did spend thousands, I am sure I could contact SS and get a copy of all my receipts.

        KM is right. I never expected you to pay me, but I gave you proof that I was a supporter and you can’t even acknowledge that. You called me a liar and your exact words were, “Hufingranz..I would bet you a thousand dollars you have never given anything to Sea Seheperd in your life, (show us the receipt)”.

        I showed you that I gave money to Sea Shepherd over a 2 year period(and I actually was a supporter for 3 years, but the 4 receipts prove I supported them for at least 2 years).
        Even after seeing that proof, you still talk shit and call me a troll. I feel sorry for you. Hopefully one day, you will see Paul Watson for what he really is, a morally corrupt liar.

      • Michael Raymer

        I swear to Almighty God, I was determined to steer clear of this little pissing contest. I really wanted it to die its own death, but I CAN’T FREAKIN’ TAKE IT ANYMORE….AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH!!!

        imforthewhales – please apologize to Huf and admit you were, at least a bit, out of line for saying that he never gave to SSCS. You’re my bud and I’m here for you, but in this case, you were wrong.

        Huf – show the man that you are and forgive. Tempers run hot around here. I’m living proof and so are you. It’s time to move on. For all that we disagree on and will continue to disagree on, there are more important things to attend to.

        David, km and herwin – piss off! This is and never was any of your business and you should be ashamed of willfully getting in the middle of it. I swear, you guys have never really left the schoolyard. And for all the crying over the Ady Gil-Pete Bethune-Paul Watson ordeal, how are your actions any different?

        LET IT DIE!

      • imforthewhales

        Ok then Michael Raymer:)

        Huff, I accept that you gave money to Sea Shepherd.

        I called your bluff, and whilst you have been unable to prove all your claims in entirety, you have shown evidence that you have indeed passed money in some shape or form to SSCS.

        My wording was not as clear as it should have been in relation to amounts etc..,but regardless of this i accept your claims.

        I am sorry that you no longer donate to SSCS.

        Unfortunately , like you, I don’ t bother with receipts. I have donated at least twice this season to help SSCS, (I have no need to make this up) the last one being just a few days ago, but because the receipts are electronic I don’t bother printing them out or bother keeping them. What are you going to do, ask for your money back? The bank records are also not showing anything going through as yet but I suspect that SSCS will claim this money when they refuel the Steve Irwin in New Zealand.

        So I hope that you accept that I do talk to talk and walk the walk.

        I wont apologize for calling you on this, as i think its only fair that you make some attempt to prove a claim like this, being on the side that you are on and also given the history of some of the more outlandish pro whaler posters who tend to be a pack of terriers and bark at any opportunity. I think if we are to enter the arena and make claims then we should all be fighting fair with a minimum of s’ slight of hand”.

        Huff, if I was out of line in any way, or caused any emotional anguish, I do apologize for that.

        That was never my intention and never is.

        So please accept my apology to you. I am glad that you have countered my bluff call…I was hoping that you would.

        One final thing, i would have sent you the two thousand but it might not have been in the form that you were hoping for:)

      • David

        “I called your bluff…”

        “I have donated at least twice this season to help SSCS, (I have no need to make this up)” So Hufingraz had a need to lie?

        You try and apologize and still keep being rude to him. Also it obviously wasn’t a bluff.

        “I think if we are to enter the arena and make claims then we should all be fighting fair with a minimum of s’ slight of hand”.”

        And of course you expect him to do something that you can’t even do yourself.

        “One final thing, i would have sent you the two thousand but it might not have been in the form that you were hoping for:)”

        What a joke.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        Michale wrotes :

        “David, km and herwin – piss off! This is and never was any of your business”

        oh, so you and your thug buddies are publicly harassing Huffy, an anti whaling (ex) supporter of Seashepherd who gets all smeared up and bullied until the point that he has to proof he did make donations, and you say its none of my busines ?
        May i remind you this is a public website ?

        A real shame to see thugs like you “defending” the whales with your garbage mouth, your closed minds and your pumped up ego.
        Compared with you bunch of brawling thugs, guys like David look reasonable.

        You, Michael, are the Romika of the anti whalers.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        I dont get it. You say its not my busines ? So how come it is your busines ? Isnt it between Iamforthewhales and Huffy ?
        The way i see it, if it isnt my busines, it also isnt your busines. Who are you to order Iamforthewhales to apologize ? And isnt Iamforthewhales such a dog, you bark and he rolls over ! When this is over, you two could work in the circus !

      • imforthewhales

        Interesting attitude David…

        Herwin, you are like a little terrier…all bark. It is people like yo that give pro whalers a bad name.

        Woof.

      • km

        Yes, Michael, not cool at all. My issue with SSCS is Paul’s lies and I guess his supporters’ lies. It’s also with Paul’s inability to admit he was wrong and I guess his supporters’ inability to do the same. It’s with how those things do nothing to save whales and everything to turn people off to the cause and is just a bad example of how a leader should act. I was falsely accused of something by AnimuX. That’s not cool. There’s no reason not show respect for someone who disagrees with you or to disparage them. That imforthewhales needed someone he sees as on his side to tell him what the right thing to do is kind of unfortunate but at least he did the right thing. I hope he continues on that course.

      • Michael Raymer

        imforthewhales – Thanx. You are a good person. And despite yet another accusation, I hope you don’t think I was “ordering” you to do anything. I said please, after all.

        The rest of you – piss off again. imforthewhales took the high road and when Huf shows up, I have no doubt at all that he will also. The rest of you can just stay in your sandbox and bicker over who gets to play with the bucket.

      • imforthewhales

        Not at all MR, there were no orders anywhere issued by anyone, just a suggestion which I decided to take up. I was not looking at things the same way as you were but you made sense.

        It is interesting to see the attitudes of the pro whalers on here who, I must say, have so far been less than gracious, and almost desperate to kick a gaol at any cost even if that means playing a low ball.

        But we always knew that, right?

        They are also mighty keen to deflect the conversation away from the fact that the Japanese whalers are in deep poo.

        Sadly that is the type of people we are dealing with here…lets face it, they are pro-whalers…the type of people who are happy for a harpoon to sink into the back of a whale and to see that whale die a slow and agonizing death.

        Their attitudes are disappointing, yes, but sadly, to be expected.

        At least Huff did donate once to help SSCS stop this from happening and I’m sure has more grace than all the rest combined.

      • Mick

        @imforthewhales

        “One final thing, i would have sent you the two thousand but it might not have been in the form that you were hoping for:)”

        So, you’re welching on your bet with Hufingraz.

      • imforthewhales

        Not at all, read what i said again.

      • David

        But you are welching on your bet.

        “imforthewhales, January 25, 2011 at 10:06 pm

        Hufingranz..I would bet you a thousand dollars you have never given anything to Sea Seheperd in your life, ( show us the receipt) …”

        He provided proof that he has given to Sea Shepherd, something that you admit you can’t do, and you refuse to pay him.

      • imforthewhales

        besides the fact that the thousands claimed were never proven, when i wrote “opportunity lost”, in the original thread, I meant what I said David. The time for action was over. You guys were too late and wasted too much time barking.

        So, bad luck and be quicker off the bat next time.

      • David

        Yes, once you realized that he could and would actually prove you wrong you withdrew your bet, I would call that welching.

        Now it is interesting that you only now after more than a week bring this withdrawal up. An argument could be made that you didn’t mean that statement as a withdrawal at the time, or you would have brought it up a week ago, but you have now reinterpreted what you meant to try and save yourself.

        Either way it really doesn’t matter. One way you welched on your bet by refusing to pay the other you you welched by changing the bet and withdrawing it when you realized you were going to lose.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        some quotes from Iamforthewhales :

        “Herwin, you are like a little terrier…all bark. It is people like yo that give pro whalers a bad name.”

        well, since i am anti whaling i am happy if i give pro whalers a bad rep.

        oh, hey, i am sure you don’t believe i am anti whaling so let’s make a bet ! :-P

        And i am all bark…? You just cant stop insulting people, eh. I guess it must be ignorance.

        “It is interesting to see the attitudes of the pro whalers on here who, I must say, have so far been less than gracious, and almost desperate to kick a gaol at any cost even if that means playing a low ball.”

        Look who’s talking, the guy who bullies other people, makes stupid bets, and finally had to admit he falsely accused somebody.

        “lets face it, they are pro-whalers…the type of people who are happy for a harpoon to sink into the back of a whale and to see that whale die a slow and agonizing death.”

        And you and your buddy Michael are meateaters who wouldnt care less for the horrible and massive abuses in the factory farms.
        So stop the hypocrisy.

        “At least Huff did donate once to help SSCS stop this from happening and I’m sure has more grace than all the rest combined.”

        oh ? Why you say he donates “once” ? He might have well donated many times and many thousands of dollars. If he says so, i don’t have any reason not to believe him.
        and what makes you think that Huffy is the only one donating ? After your silly bet, which you gigantically and disgracefully lost, one might expect that you learned a life lesson and be more careful to make negative assumptions about other people.

  • Michael Raymer

    I am responding to a post from km on another thread, but it ties in with the topic at hand.

    “I understand that you are against whaling and you support any actions by SSCS to stop whaling but because of that do you think these men on the ships are bad people capable of murder?”

    No…and yes. First of all, I don’t support “any” actions by SSCS. I have made several criticisms in the past and emailed SSCS a couple weeks ago about something I took issue with. Do I think the whalers are capable of murder? I’m not accusing them but I’ve been around enough professional fishermen (btw, whalers are NOT fishermen, they just think they are) to definitely find it plausible that one of them fired a gun at the people getting in his way of making a living. I’m not saying he was ordered or asked to by another. It may be a case of a “Lone Gunman”.

    ” Do you see their use of LRADs and concussion grenades as indicative of them being evil people? Is that worse than fouling propellers or throwing bottles? ”

    Absolutely. When SSCS throws bottles, they are specifically NOT targeting people. They are merely trying to stink up the deck to hopefully foul any whale meat and to make it unpleasant for the crew. Butyric acid will get into the paint/metal on the deck, so any whales that make contact with the surface become contaminated, therefore worthless. The airborne stink may also get into the whale meat, in the right conditions. LRADs and concussion grenades are deployed specifically against people. And my objection to the LRAD was that they aimed it at a helo in flight. Chris Aultman could have lost control of his aircraft, crashed and died. That’s a far cry from stinking up a deck or fouling a prop.

    “and hopefully lend some insight as to why I find the lies and characterizations by Paul so problematic.”

    Other than the alleged shooting, you really haven’t outlined the “lies” by Admiral Watson that you keep bringing up. As far as “characterizations”, Watson has a job to do and propaganda is a part of it. I’m OK with that because everyone else in the world uses propaganda to their own ends too. Why should SSCS hamstring themselves by not doing the same?

    “It seems like anything they do is wrong and unreasonable and anything SSCS does is okay and reasonable simply because the whalers are killing whales and that is wrong to you and perhaps illegal.”

    Well, that basically sums it up. No argument here.

    “Is it that you believe they are violating the law and SSCS has a right to do whatever they want?”

    You may not realize it, but you are asking me to retype every post I’ve ever made on this site, in one reply. Screw the law. Killing whales is wrong. SSCS is doing the job I want them to do. If I was the only SSCS supporter on the planet, I still wouldn’t change my mind.

    “If so, what happens if the ICJ finds in Japan’s favor?”

    We’ll cross that bridge when we get there.

    “I question the legality but, as to the whalers themselves, I assume they are led to believe it is legal and that SSCS is interfering with a legal operation.”

    I assume they are led to believe that they will make a lot of money in a part of the world where there is no law, no enforcement and no protection from anyone breaking the law, whatever the law happens to be. If SSCS actions are illegal, why isn’t anyone arresting them? Not just Admiral Watson but the entire crew? Because there is no law in that part of the world. There is just people trying to kill whales and people trying to stop them from doing it.

    • km

      Thanks for the reply and for being honest and sorry to make you rewrite what you’ve already stated in the past. We obviously don’t see eye to eye.

      I’m off for what you’ll probably think is a not so tasty dinner. Go check out The Huffington Post. There’s a new article on a school in the Philippines built from bamboo sticks, I mean spears.

      • Michael Raymer

        I bet that your dinner is going to be great. I have nothing against veganism and if herwin will stop trying to antagonize me, I’ll start exploring vegan recipes. It won’t become a way of life for me, but any night that I choose eggplant over chicken will be a small victory for your side.

      • km

        I think your points about the vegan diet are valid. It is not without issues in spite of we like to claim. However, there is a lot of room for more vegans and for people to reduce their meat intake before those issues become an issue.

        I think if you decide to replace a meal or two with something vegan, it should be lentils, beans or vegetables. I like my processed vegan food every so often but do not support the push toward those foods. As you know, processed food is not great for you, vegan or not.

        As for people antagonizing you, don’t respond. If he/she is pushing you toward not eating more vegetarian or vegan meals, then he/she’s doing animals a disservice.

  • Arnie

    I am torturing and killing puppies and kittens now because Paul Watson and SSCS have launched a violent campaign against innocent people. This is what I’m doing about it. I won’t stop until they do. Dozens of animals are dead now and I have replaced them with new ones. The recent violent actions of Sea Sheperd are making me very angry. You know who I am taking that out on.

    You can help these animals. Contact SSCS and their major financial enablers like Bob Barker and let them know what they have to do to make me stop. Don’t donate to them and encourage other people not to. If you live in a country where SSCS has a ship registered contact your government and urge them to remove the registration. If you are a US citizen contact your government and urge them to remove the tax exempt status that the SSCS has. The more I see these things being done, the more mercy I will show to the puppies and kittens.

    • Michael Raymer

      And the search for a sex life continues…

      • imforthewhales

        Something tells me that Arnie is a pro-whaler?

    • Whitefish

      Arnie, now take you lithium like a good little boy. And if you missed you clozapine dose this morning, better take that too. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

  • AnimuX

    As previously seen with the Ady Gil collision, the Japanese whalers will jump at the chance to destroy a boat full of unarmed activists. The whaling captain, who split the Ady Gil in two, walked away from what should have been 6 charges of attempted murder without answering so much as a single question. The government of Japan predictably protected its agents by refusing to cooperate with any authorities investigating the incident.

    • imforthewhales

      Yes the scary thing is that the Japanese whalers have decided that he did a good job when he attempted to kill those activists on board the Ady Gil. Now they seem to be cheering him on as he attempts the same thing with Gojira.

  • Theo

    Is the second video supposed to be the attempted ramming?

    The video appears to show the Gojira moving in a straight line across the YM3′s bow, and the YM3 also appears to be going straight, as there seems to be no list as is common when turning that vessel. All this video appears to be is simply the Gojira possibly dragging a prop fouler across the YM3′s path, something we see the Zodiacs do all the time. I guess I’ll have to wait until then next season of WW to see the actual footage.

    On a side note – If they were both going straight, the Gojira is *technically* supposed to give way. The green lights on the starboard hull and red lights on the portside are there to remind captains of this. If you’re going to get into another ‘collision’, you don’t want to be caught trying to cross from the portside.

    Stay safe out there -

    • imforthewhales

      Gojira didn’ t just give way…it got out of the way!

      Once bitten twice shy.

      • David

        Hey imforthewhales don’t you be shy, show us how trustworthy you are by honoring your bet with Hufingraz.

      • imforthewhales

        Hey David, when i see receipts for thousands of dollars of donations ( not t shirts) then we can talk turkey. Fact is hufingranz is full of it and typical of the pro whalers/ anti SSCS types, tried a little con artistry on the forum claiming he had done something that clearly he had not.

      • David

        Hey iamforwhales, remember when you wrote this?

        “imforthewhales, January 25, 2011 at 10:06 pm

        Hufingranz..I would bet you a thousand dollars you have never given anything to Sea Seheperd in your life, ( show us the receipt) …”

        No request for thousands of dollars of donations, but ‘anything’ was your exact word.

        http://www.flickr.com/photos/58934663@N05/5402529876/

        SSreciept3 shows One Time Donation $10. That would be giving to Sea Shepherd.

        Fact is you are a lying sack. And as we expected at the time you would try and weasel out of your words.

      • Hufingraz

        Thank you David! I knew Imforthewhales would never pay. In a sense, he is just like his hero Paul Watson. Paul has a problem paying his debts too.

        Also Imforthewhales, if you read the top of the receipt, it states, “Thank you for your purchase/donation from Sea Shepherd Store. EVERY PRODUCT YOU PURCHASE OR DOLLAR YOU DONATE HELPS TO SUPPORT THE GOALS AND MISSION OF SEA SHEPHERD CONSERVATION SOCIETY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT.” Could it get anymore black & white?
        Not only was I giving them money, but I was also advertising for them everyday by wearing their clothing.

        I have an idea. Let’s see some of your receipts Imforthewhales. I would like to see how much money you have given to Sea Shepherd.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Something tells me that David and Huffenpuff are one and the same.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        something tells me that David and Hufingraz are two very diferent persons.
        David is a paid pro whalling troll (accept my apologies if thats not the case, but thats the impression i get..)
        and Huffy is one of a growing group of anti whaling people who passionately supported Seashepherd but are getting dissapointed by the way Seashepherd handles certain things, like distorting the truth and publicly mega trashing other anti whalers (former collegeaus)
        Am i right ,Huffy ?

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        Huffy wrote :

        “I have an idea. Let’s see some of your receipts Imforthewhales. I would like to see how much money you have given to Sea Shepherd.”

        well, Huffy, that’s a very good and reasonable idea. If Crumpy wont honor his bet, and even dont have the b*lls to apologize to you or say that he was wrong in insulting you, the least he can do is accept this reasonable proposition and show us, just like you have done, proof of his donations to Seashepherd.

      • Hufingraz

        Herwin,
        Thank you for clearing that up for Crumpets! You are exactly right in everything you said, at least in regards to me. I couldn’t have explained it any better.

        I also doubt that Imforthewhales will show any proof that he donates to Sea Shepherd, but it was worth a try. I know I will never get an apology either. That is just the kind of person that Imforthewhales is. Talks the talk, but doesn’t walk the walk.

      • boo radley

        “Not only was I giving them money, but I was also advertising for them everyday by wearing their clothing.”

        Where do you buy your clothing from now? Would you be wanting to wear one of Romika3′s seal skin coats for example? I’m curious as to how much your value system has changed throughout the years.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        i dont see Michael now saying to Boo that he should mind his own business.
        I guess that’s called double standards.

        I know several vegan people who are getting disapointed in Seashepherds attitude since the last years.
        Especially after Paul Watson’s off the wall claim that he was shot by the Japanese whalers.
        That was an insult to our inteligence.
        Nobody can believe such an obvious fabrication.

        And followers like Boo and Michael with their thug mentality and dishing other anti whaling people like Huffy (and me) are also not doing a good job in giving the anti whaling cause a positive image..

        As i said before, the more Michael and his gang are thugging around, the more acceptable and reasonable pro whaling trolls like David seem who mainly stick to arguments.

      • Michael Raymer

        “dishing other anti whaling people like Huffy (and me)”

        Once again I have to repeat myself for the mentally challenged. There was no hostility between me and herwin until herwin attacked me on another thread. Up until then, I was happy to get along with her. I had seen many of her posts that I completely disagreed with, yet I left her alone to keep harmony among the anti-whaling faction. I have copied/pasted her attacks on two separate threads now (because of the whole mentally challenged/selective memory thing).

        Also, I don’t dish on Huf. I made one remark which I came back and apologized for and my apology was accepted. So there is another hysterical and false accusation.

        This thing between imforthewhales and Huf is between them. The rest of you (regardless of which side you’re on) are resorting to childish, playground behavior by trying to get in the middle of it. imfothewhales issued an apology. Let’s move on.

        ” the more acceptable and reasonable pro whaling trolls like David seem who mainly stick to arguments.”

        David is a shit-disturber who is having a great time stiiring the pot on this whole “bet” thing. He knows what he’s doing and it is hardly reasonable. If you consider this acceptable or “sticking to arguments”, I feel sorry for you.

      • boo radley

        Herwin, lets face it, you are the weakest link on here. Nobody on either side of the debate has a clue what you stand for.

        Perhaps if you were not so intent on sticking your nose in constantly where it is not wanted or resorting to cheap character assassinations there may be some hope for you. However I won’t be holding my breath waiting for you to post something that has any substance to it.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        Michael and Boo, i see that one of Michaels recent posts has been removed due to violating the Ecorazzi rules.
        That should be a clue for the both of you, to stick to arguments and ditch the insults and attacks.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        @ Boo :

        1. maybe you dont have a clue, but others like Huffy certainly do have a clue where i stand.

        2. “either side of the debate” ? are you suggesting their are just two sides ? You mean, you and anybody who agrees with you, and “the rest”.
        It seems that Paul Watson and the SSCS strongly and publicly distances itself from a lot of people like Ady Gil, Pete Bethune, the “Greenpissers” (thats how Paul Watson calls Greenpeace, eh), and Rick Barry also isnt that close with Paul Watson.
        If there are really only two sides , why the dishing of eachother, like Paul Watson and his followers like yourself are doing.

      • Michael Raymer

        The post that was removed was neither an insult or an attack…except the last part where I had some choice words for romika who lied in his teeth.

        You started the insults and attacks in the first place. None of this infighting would be happening but for you. And as I was perusing some past threads, I noticed you going off on crumpets too. It really is rich how you go completely bat-crap around here and then point fingers at others for doing what you did first.

      • psychiatry 101

        Definitely there are some rather ingrained bully boy methods employed by the ICR * sealing troll (s) on here. Those of them who engage in this activity, hide fear,self pity and lack of confidence & use bully boy arguments to mask their own weaknesses.

        Bullies in general prey on people with a kind heart and they always select victims who have a low propensity to violence

        Typically, the troll or bully displays an obsessive, compulsive and self-gratifying urge to displace their uncontrolled aggression onto others whilst exhibiting an apparent lack of insight into their behavior and its effect on people around them.

        Targets of bullies go to enormous lengths to resolve conflict with dialogue, not realizing that bullies are too disordered, dysfunctional, aggressive and immature to respond to dialogue.

        Bullies are inadequate people who cannot interact in a mature professional manner and have to resort to psychological violence to get their way.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        Micheal :
        “The post that was removed was neither an insult or an attack…except the last part where I had some choice words for romika who lied in his teeth.”

        Michael, can’t you see how absurd and bend is your reasoning ? In one and the same sentence (see your quote above) you say that your post wasn’t an insult, and than you continue to say that EXCEPT the last part was an insult.

        Anyway, your post was removed, that should tell you something.

        So my well meant advice for you (and Iamforthewhales and some other anti whaling posters) still stands : stop the insults and personal attacks, and stick to anti whaling arguments.

  • David

    It is amazing that the SSCS can’t understand that intentionally coming dangerously close to another vessel puts you in danger of being in a collision.

    Of course these are this same SSCS that complained and called it dangerous when the Yushin Maru #3 came within 1 mile of the Bob Barker. But seem to think the Gojira and RHIBs coming withing 10 or 20 feet of the Yushin Maru #3 is just OK. Remember do as the SSCS says not as they do.

    “Over the past few days, the Yushin Maru No. 3 has come dangerously close to the Bob Barker, on several occasions within one mile of our ship, which has been proceeding on a steady and consistent course.”

    http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/editorial-110130-1.html

    • imforthewhales

      That Japanese Captain had been put in charge of the YM3 to take out Gojira, that much is clear. The Japanese whalers and pro whalers were hoping for a replay of the Ady Gil episode, no doubt. In fact it would not surprise me at all if the YM3 Captain was chasing some nice bonus money if he could pull off the quinella of the AG + G.

      Although, by the sounds of it, he wont be traveling on a ” steady and consistent course” anywhere near Gojira or the Bob Barker anytime in the foreseeable future unless it is on the end of a tow rope.

      Karma’ s a bit*h aint it?

  • romika3

    Folks, that whaling vessel was initially over a mile away from Watson’s gang. SSCS were the ones (see Watson’s Post on the SSCS web page) who advanced. Wastson is getting desperate for footage for this seasons “Whale Wars” and to create a incident. This has nothing to do with whales.

    • Michael Raymer

      Nothing to do with whales? Tell us, what do your “contacts” on the Super-Sleuth Spy Network have to say about the whalers catch thus far?

    • crumpets are yummy

      *This has nothing to do with whales.*

      Are you referring to your post romsicka? Got that right!

  • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

    I watched the video and stopped it every second to get a close look at the “spear”.
    At second 23 the “spear” bounces of the boat and you can clearly see it lacks any pointy tip. It seems more like a bamboo pole.

    Also the other video (made by the whalers on the whaling ship) isnt clear what happens, except that there is a near coalision, but not clear who crosses who…

    • crumpets are yummy

      So what you are saying is that the bamboo weapons the Japanese whalers are throwing are completely useless?

      I wonder whose idea it was to load up the YM3 with useless bamboo projectiles?

      • romika3

        These incidents demonstrate how desperate the SSCS is to create an incident. A bamboo pole, perhaps a broom stick or a mop handle, maybe it might have been used to stir laundry. Whatever it is Paul Watson intends to milk it like a herd of dairy cattle. Before the week is over this simple bamboo stick would have carried a miniature warhead capable of wiping out half of the life in the oceans. Just pause and think about this for a moment and you will begin to appreciate the foolishness of this eco-terrorist organization. What an embarrassment to the conservation movement and those who invested hard earned money into the purchase of tee shirts and custom made SSCS jewelry and wall hangings.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        I am saying that it doesnt look like a spear but a blunt bamboo pole. I am not saying or even assuming that they are “completely useles”, although, yes, bamboo poles are indeed completely useless, what harm can they do ? What i am assuming though, is that its funny to see that the whalers turn harmless butric acid thrown by Seashepherd into a dangerous lifethreatening substance (thats the whalers propaganda machine), and the Seashepherd turns bamboo sticks in spears that threaten their inflatable zodiacs (= the Seashepherd propaganda machine).

        and how come now suddenly it has multiplied and has become “bamboo weapons” and “bamboo projectiles” ?

      • David

        Also you have to remember that 2 SSCS members have boarded a harpoon ship from a RHIB in the past. The RHIB that had a bamboo pole thrown at it was actually in contact with the YM#3 hull right next to the area where that previous boarding took place.

        Under the UN SUA, a vessel has every right to defend itself against possible boarders.

      • boo radley

        Why would they want to board the whaling ship? After all that psuedo corpse it must have stunk to high heaven.

      • David

        Why? How about because they are criminals.

        They have done it two times before so I guess they believe there is some reason. Why don’t you ask Paul?

      • boo radley

        Which ones in the boats were criminals David?

        Really, they are criminals? How so?

        One would think that if they are criminals then they would have a criminal conviction, perhaps you would like to point out what they are?

        Can you tell me why Australia and New Zealand allow these “criminals” into the country?

        You are such a typical pro-whaler David, always at the ready to make an accusation which is short on truth and big on rhetoric.

        Methinks you have a blah blah brain.

        Blah blah blah , blah blah. Blah.

        Hey that reminds me of something oh King of cr*p, David…doesn’t that sound a lot like the engines on the Yushin Maru 3?

      • David

        Well Paul Watson and Peter Hammarstedt and Alex Cornelissen all have criminal convictions.

        But you seem to be saying that someone has to have a conviction to be a criminal. So I guess if someone robs a bank but is never caught then they aren’t a criminal?

        You would have to ask Australia and New Zealand why they let the criminals into their countries as I don’t know what their visa laws are.

      • boo radley

        David your comprehension is lacking.

        I’ll ask the question again.

        Which ones in the boats have a criminal conviction?

        Too hard?

      • David

        I answered you question boo, your inability to understand English is your problem not mine.

        Paul Watson and Peter Hammarstedt and Alex Cornelissen all have criminal convictions.

        Now isn’t Paul on one of the boats? Isn’t Alex on one of the boats? Isn’t Peter on one of the boats?

      • Boo radley

        No, none of them were on the boats.

        Now tell me which ones on the boats are criminals?

  • romika3

    Folks: It seems to me that we all had this same discussion last year. Anybody with the least bit of sense should know Watson’s agenda by now and therefore fighting over the fact that a bamboo stick was pointed or not or if it belongs in the same category has a weapon of mass destruction is really a waste of time. The real discussion should focus on SSCS and its abuse under the flag of “conservation” and it misuse of funds and false soliciting of funds.

    • boo radley

      Romika3, I think that the discussion should be focused on what the Japanese whalers are going to do next year for money and how much more money will they be ripping off Japanese taxpayers to subsidize their cherished commercial whale hunt?

      Anyone with the least amount of sense…and that goes for all the pro whaling gang on here…can see that this is the end of days for Japanese whaling. Its no good continuing deluding yourselves. Time to wake up and smell the smelly butter bombs.

  • romika3

    Perhaps I should commnet on the second video. Again the SSCS is trying to pull the same stunt that they did last year with the Ady Gil. On examination of this video you can see that the whaling ship is maintaining a true course (see the swell pattern) and the G-sting boat is coming in at an angle an then cutting to the left. How can people fall for this??

  • romika3

    It is important for viewers to understand that these videos are put out into the public domain by the SSCS to entice two groups of individuals to send funds. The first group are the youth who have been introduced to the SSCS through “Whale Wars” and see this TV show has a valadation of the use of terror, terror tactics, violence has a tool to bring about change. We have all seen where this can lead to either directly or indirectly. This group supports through the purchase of tee shirts, posters etc. The other group are those who see SSCS has a conservation organization, but are not on top of what they really do and what Watson’s personal motives are. For them this becomes a loss of funds that can be potentially directed to towards conservation organizations that do real work, research, education etc. To bad, what a waste of funds.

    • Whitefish

      The strategy seems to be working, huh romika3? After all SSCS gets stronger and stronger while the ICR is becoming more and more, well flaccid for lack of a better term. After this season’s Whale Wars, the donations are going to flood in because donors can see how their hard earned cash is really saving whales.

    • AnimuX

      Unfortunately, anti-environmentalist antagonists like romika continue to make false comparisons of environmental activists who have NEVER killed, or beaten anyone up (and never threatened to) with real terrorists who have murdered hundreds of innocent people.

      The ongoing negative campaign seeks to demonize environmental causes through exaggerations and outright lies. They use words like “terrorist” in order to evoke a negative emotional response and skew public attention away from real issues, like the fact that Japan, Iceland, and Norway have subverted international conventions and resolutions for decades by continuing to kill protected and endangered whales.

      While the antagonists make wild accusations to paint a false narrative of violence and terrorism they fail to recognize the reality of environmental activism. To my knowledge no one has ever been murdered by environmental activists for their causes. However, I can find plenty of examples where environmental activists have been brutally beaten, imprisoned, tortured, and murdered by poachers, industry thugs, and government agents.

      So you see, these brutal exploiters, polluters, and criminals have proven to be violent. Then representatives of the same murderous exploiters, polluters, and criminals call the activists terrorists to protect their illicit business.

      Romika, has admitted to being a seal killer from Canada. His career has been the subject of environmental protest for many years. Here is an example of how people of his profession deal with non-violent protest. In the following video, sealers physically assault activists with the same deadly weapons they use to kill baby seals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HEqc2398iQ

  • romika3

    As a side note it has also come to my attention, recently, that both inforthewhales and Michael Raymer are in the employment of the SSCS.Thier purpose is to run interference on this and other sites. Animx, is a member of PETA however the SSCS has “backroom” links with this and a number of other organizations including Sealshepherd who is one of the organizations responsiable for promoting hate towards people and culture in particular the good people of Eastern Canada and Newfoundland and Labrador.

    • AnimuX

      LOL Now romika, you normally make up a lot of bullshit but this is getting ridiculous. You really should stop drinking and find a real job that will keep you busy so you’re not left with so much spare time to invent and spread lies about others. Try something that doesn’t involve beating baby seals to death, ok?

      • imforthewhales

        Ha ha romika3…i wish…

    • Michael Raymer

      This post has been removed due to a violation of our commenting policy.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        and the pissing contest continues…

      • romika3

        Now you know how fishermen feel. The only difference is that the one’s I know have to steam 190 nautical miles out into the North Atlantic for Turbot. Four days per trip, others are gone four weeks at a time. Now you know how a sealer feels when some seasons they might make $6000.00 from a legal, managed and sustainable harvest; that’s enough to get their gear ready for Lobster or crab and then somebody calls him in the middle of the night and threatens to burn his boat and slit his throat.

        Now you know how the fish plant worker feels who lives in a small community on the coast of Labrador praying every night that there will be enough work to make enough money to pay the bills and get the kids Christmas gifts. While in New York a bunch of individuals who are making over $80,000.00 dollars a year brag because they “the think they are heros” because they what to block Canada sea food products. No Walmart or McDonalds up there to work at to make up the difference. And the list goes on and on.

        An finally don’t come back with a post telling me that fishermen feed off the backs of the Canadian Government because what people don’t know is that for every dollar a fisherperson makes they pay into the UI system, a system funded by the workers for the workers. No government money goes into this. It’s like you putting money in the bank.

        Now you know how a people feel when the likes of Watson, PETA , the HSUS and other groups fabric lies and distort the truth. I show you no mercy on this Sunday morning.

      • imforthewhales

        Sea Shepherd Flagship Steve Irwin Needs Your Help!
        From the bridge of the Steve Irwin

        I write this as my crew and I head north to New Zealand to ask for your help to refuel our flagship the Steve Irwin so that we can go back to the sanctuary and keep the illegal Japanese whaling operations shut down for the entire season.

        Last year, we were able to save 528 whales, which is more than the whalers were able to kill, but this year we have almost completely shut them down. So far the Japanese kill figures are very close to zero. We intercepted and then tailed their refueling and resupply vessel for three weeks, thus cutting off their ability to extend their operations. As my crew and I head north, the Bob Barker and the Gojira remain in pursuit of the whaling fleet, keeping them on the move and preventing them from whaling.

        Maintaining three ships, a helicopter, and 88 crewmembers in the Southern Ocean is enormously expensive. When you donate a dollar to Sea Shepherd, nearly all of it is used primarily to keep our ships and our crews in the field where they can make a difference. This approach keeps us small, but more importantly – it keeps us effective!

        The Steve Irwin needs to purchase 240 tons of marine diesel fuel. It costs about USD$800 for a ton of fuel, so this means we need to raise over $192,000 to fill the tanks and enable us to return.

        Whatever you can donate will make a difference! Reducing the kill quota to very close to zero is an enduring investment.

        To start this off, I have donated $5000 towards this effort myself. Just as I would never ask any of my crew to do anything I would not do myself, I will not ask any of our supporters to donate without donating myself.

        Your support in keeping our ships and crew at sea is the only guarantee that the whales have of survival and to be free from cruel slaughter by the ruthless killing machines from Japan. Your efforts will help us abolish whaling in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary. Please donate today to get us fueled-up!

        Thank-you for investing in life, in our oceans, and in our efforts to police the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

        Captain Paul Watson

        http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-110202-1.html

      • Michael Raymer

        You don’t have to “show mercy on a Sunday morning.” You merely have to explain why you are such a pathetic, deceitful piece of crap. Could you explain that please? Could you explain why you just make stuff up that has no basis of fact? Could you explain how you can be such a punk crybaby about what others say, out of one side of your mouth; and then spew lie after lie out of the other?

        Canadian seal-bashers are such a group of pathetic little wussies, aren’t they?

      • romika3

        “Could you explain why you just make stuff up that has no basis of fact? Could you explain how you can be such a punk crybaby about what others say, out of one side of your mouth; and then spew lie after lie out of the other?” simple answer, perhaps I to have a copy of Paul Watson’s “Earthforce”.

      • romika3

        “Could you explain that please? Could you explain why you just make stuff up that has no basis of fact? Could you explain how you can be such a punk crybaby about what others say, out of one side of your mouth; and then spew lie after lie out of the other?” Hey man you have to get a grip on yourself. I’ve been accused of working with ICR and you didn’t see me going off the deep end. Look yourself in the mirror and give youself a few slaps in the face, that will bring you around. And those two cats, cook them up in a stir-fry and give yourself a full stomach for an change and make yourself a set of cat skin boots for the winter, you will feel much better.

      • romika3

        “Romika, you are a tool and a lying sack of shit.” I really like this word combination. Can I have permission to use it in one of my posts?

    • Michael Raymer

      P.S. – For anyone who wants to use my story of my own personal misfortune to take some form of cheap shot, I will say in advance….F**k you very much.

      • imforthewhales

        I’m lucky in that I work from home…so I can type to me hearts content.

      • romika3

        Does Paul Watsons include your office expenses in you cheque?

      • imforthewhales

        Paul Watson doesn’t send me any cheques Romika3.

      • David

        So you and Paul are just alike and don’t pay people that they are supposed too.

      • boo radley

        Is Paul Watson supposed to be paying for people to comment on here?

        I don’t think he does does he?

        David, are you making stuff up again?

      • David

        Did I say Paul Watson was paying for people to post here?

        boo, are you making stuff up again?

  • romika3

    Hey folks, have a look at this, he makes a lot of sense.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlVLkoy_fdo&NR=1&feature=fvwp

    • imforthewhales

      Is commodore Tony your hero romika 3?

      Are you commodore Tony?

      • romika3

        You seem to be ingoring the video, any reasons why

      • Whitefish

        Yes, his videos are ignored because Commodore Tony is a total nutcase, a certifiable fruitcake.

      • Michael Raymer

        imforthewhales – I think you hit the nail on the head! Nice catch! Romika is Commodore Tony! Why didn’t I catch that? Seriously, I wish we could meet in person, you would have all the drinks of your choice that me and my flattened wallet could afford. I am in the presence of deductive genius.

        The frothing at the mouth, the lack of coherence, the inability to use adult level conversational skills….it all fits! And now I realize that we never see romika and Tony at the same place and time. He’s like Clark Kent/Superman, only pathetic and retarded.

        You stud! I bow to your greatness!

      • romika3

        “Yes, his videos are ignored because Commodore Tony is a total nutcase, a certifiable fruitcake” Interesting, however he might be a little funny but folks it is hard to dispute is arguements in those two video links I posted.

      • romika3

        “You seem to be ingoring the video, any reasons why” here is the second case of somebody posting using “romika3″ (my user name) that’s rather strange, I wonder why, is that you Mr. Watson posting using my name in an attempt to divert attention away from those two videos????

      • Michael Raymer

        “here is the second case of somebody posting using “romika3? (my user name)”

        We couldn’t tell because the misspelling looks like yours.

        And so YOU know how it feels. Identity theft on this site was invented by you pro-whaling morons. Last spring I investigated and subsequently busted someone for claiming to be “Susan Weingartner”. This person not only used the name but the identity by claiming to have worked for SSCS. I looked into it and found this person to be a fraud and reported them to Michael dEstries.

        km – if you read this, I hope you use an ounce of perspective. For all your grumbling about SSCS lies, you have chosen to ally yourself not only with liars, but with thieves. romika has shown himself to be a lying piece of Canadian seal-bashing manure and everyone he can call a friend has shown they are liars and thieves.

        I hope you’re happy with your choice.

      • romika3

        ” Canadian seal-bashing manure ” you can’t do a thing with manure unless it’s frozen and that’s a fact.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Is there enough room in the freezer for you then Romika3? Might need to take out a few seal skeletons perhaps? A few hours in there and then we might be able to do something with you.

  • romika3
  • romika3

    “We were dropped off near a large iceberg, while the Bob Barker continued on its course. The Yushin Maru No. 3 (YM3) immediately changed its course, so we jumped between icebergs using them as cover until we got close enough to the YM3. The Delta then took the lead and raced in to engage the YM3, as we followed in the Hunter. The Delta made several passes across their bow as we made for their stern.” The word “engage” sounds lika an attack. Apparently the Yushin Maru No.3 has no harpoon gun mounted on it bow, thus they seem to be not hunting whales. Looks like the SSCS are the attackers and for what reason, footage for their TV show, desperate to create an incident, you decide!!!

    • imforthewhales

      Actually the YM3 was put onto the tail of the BB so that its position could be relayed to the NM and any harpoon ships alongside of it. The Bob Barker needed to be free of the YM3 so it could find the factory ship, unmolested, and to get away from the YM3, needed to slow it down some.

      Which they did quite successfully it appears.

      • romika3

        So are you disputing what the SSCS says

      • imforthewhales

        Not at all, i am just outlining that the YM3 was the provocateur here.

      • km

        What did the YM3 do to provoke an attack by SSCS? They were tailing them and most definitely not whaling. I could be wrong but I expect that the SSCS approached the YM3 and initiated attack in this last skirmish. Would the Sun Laurel have been justified in attacking the SSCS? After all, the SSCS did much more than tail the Sun Laurel, they surrounded it with three ships.

      • David

        So the YM#3 was following the BB just like the BB was following the Sun Laurel. And remind me again, how many times did the Sun Laurel and/or the Japanese vessels attack the BB to get it to stop following the Sun Laurel?

        Also can anyone show me what gives a ship the right to attack another vessel because it is ‘following’ them?

      • imforthewhales

        Also can anyone show me what gives a ship the right to attack another vessel because it is ‘following’ them?

        Sure…when those ships are engaged in the illegal activity of commercial whaling.

        ALL the Japanese ships are fair game for SSCS. Get used to it.

      • David

        So since whaling isn’t illegal then it must be the SSCS who is breaking the laws.

      • Whitefish

        Since the Japanese shrugged their shoulders when the Shonan Maru II purposefully cut the Ady Gil in half and nearly killed the crewmembers, I guess the SSCS is certainly entitled to prop foul a vessel that is attempting to do the same thing again. The Japanese government should have at least reprimanded the captain for the Ady Gil sinking, but their silence on the matter bought them a whole heap of trouble.

      • David

        First how do you know the Captain of the Shonan Maru wasn’t reprimanded?

        And second I guess you believe that an eye-for-an-eye is some kind of legally accepted principle?

      • imforthewhales

        Get a grip, man, it’s not eye for an eye at all it’s both self defense ( considering what the Japanese whalers did last year) and also defense of the defenseless.

      • crumpets are yummy

        The Captain of the Shonun Maru 2 got a big fat bonus check last year for wiping out the Ady Gil and might have doubled that if he had managed to wipe out any of the Ady Gil crew members. He probably also got about ten boxes of dead whale to take home and turn into whale tempura and dead whale sushi.

        I hear he got a promotion too, but since he just managed to destroy the Yushin Maru number 3 and is no drifting aimlessly in the southern ocean awaiting rescue, that promotion might not be lasting too long.

      • David

        So prop fouling is somehow defensive? Well I guess when you don’t believe in truth and honesty, you can believe something that absurd.

      • boo radley

        David…what was defensive about the Japanese ship slicing the Ady Gil in half last year?

        Please enlighten me.

      • David

        Did I call the Ady Gil accelerating in front of the Shonan Maru and having a collision a defensive act?

        Please enlighten me.

      • Boo radley

        If AG was “accelerating” as you put it, then what was the Shonun Maru 2 actually doing?

        Why was it turning towards the AG?

        Why was it traveling at a faster velocity than AG?

        Preceding the organized collision ( lats call it 30 seconds) how far do you think the SM2 traveled in relation to the AG?

        In the preceding 30 seconds, what do you estimate the top speed of the AG to have been?

        In the preceding 30 seconds, how far do you think (estimate) the Ady Gil traveled based on the evidence that is there?

        Now folks…let us see David duck and weave, avoid answering any of the questions I have placed on here, and try to turn this one around to suit himself (possibly asking a return question or by making something up). Watch him tell us that there is not enough information out there to make a judgment call (thus avoiding the issue and trying hard not to incriminate the whalers).

        Go for it David…let us observe your pro- sealing pro- whaling troll magic.

      • David

        Well actually boo almost all of your questions were answered by the NZ Maritime report. That is also where the Ady Gil helmsman admitted he accelerated before the collision.

        But since you seem incapable of either reading the report or remembering what you have read I will try and summarize.

        “If AG was “accelerating” as you put it, then what was the Shonun Maru 2 actually doing?”

        Well they appeared to be trying to make a close pass on the Ady Gil and blast them with a water cannon.

        “Why was it turning towards the AG?”

        Well to come close you have to turn toward them don’t you?

        “Why was it traveling at a faster velocity than AG?”

        Well to catch them so you can pass close you have to go faster so you can catch up to them.

        “Preceding the organized collision ( lats call it 30 seconds) how far do you think the SM2 traveled in relation to the AG?”

        Well the SM@ was going about 15 knots, so in 30 seconds it would have gone 750 feet.

        “In the preceding 30 seconds, what do you estimate the top speed of the AG to have been?”

        I don’t need to estimate it was in the NZ report, 6.74 knots.

        “In the preceding 30 seconds, how far do you think (estimate) the Ady Gil traveled based on the evidence that is there?”

        Well they accelerated from 3.83 knots to 6.74 knots so an average of 5.285 knots for 30 seconds is 264.25 feet.

  • Michael Raymer

    http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-110205-1.html

    “On Friday, February 4th, the Japanese harpoon vessel the Yushin Maru No. 3 issued a Mayday distress signal from the Ross Sea (71 degrees 58 minutes south and 176 degrees 48 minutes east). At the time the distress signal was issued, the Sea Shepherd ship the Bob Barker was eight miles away from the whaling ship. The Sea Shepherd vessel Gojira and two inflatable boats from the Bob Barker were alongside the Yushin Maru No. 3″

    “Captain Locky MacLean on the Gojira and Captain Alex Cornelissen on the Bob Barker immediately radioed the Yushin Maru No. 3 to inquire as to the nature of their distress. This call was made in both English and Japanese. The calls were documented on film by Animal Planet’s crew onboard Sea Shepherd’s ships, and monitored by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority.”

    ‘In accordance with maritime law and protocol, Captain MacLean of the Gojira stayed with the Yushin Maru No. 3 for more than 48 hours to offer their assistance, if necessary. However during this period of time, the Japanese whalers refused to acknowledge any calls inquiring as to the nature of their “distress.”’

    “Finally, Captain MacLean was contacted by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority and notified that the Yushin Maru No. 3 was not in distress and did not require assistance. With that confirmation, Captain MacLean elected to leave the area to continue the search for the whaling vessels.”

    • imforthewhales

      Will the Japanese whalers be charged with issuing a false mayday? Sounds illegal to me.

      • David

        They were disabled and still under attack.

        But the dishonest judge imforthewhales opines it was illegal. No need to even wait for the countries involved to investigate, I mean the noted jurist has spoken.

      • imforthewhales

        I simply asked a question David, no need to be rude.

        Your answer has been found wanting.

        seems like the mayday was a croc, however and they have told the Australian coast guard that they are just peachy and do not require any assistance.

      • crumpets are yummy

        I think that the whole entire Japanese commercial whaling industry is sending out a mayday as we speak.

        In fact, they have a little spinning record in their office in Tokyo, all it says is Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, over and over again in the same shrill, high pitched female voice as the YM captain, that goes “warning, warning…”

      • David

        No reason for you to be dishonest and refuse to pay off your bets.

    • km

      Aren’t any of you SSCS supporters wondering why SSCS isn’t taking credit for fouling the propellers of the YM3?

      • imforthewhales

        What fouling line?

        All I saw was a warning rope which the YM3 disregarded at its own peril. Very careless of them I must say.

        Did anyone see Japan take credit for sinking the Ady Gil?

      • km

        You must really be anti-SSCS because now you’re calling them liars. There are at least two SSCS crew who have posted on Facebook that SSCS successfully fouled the propellers of the YM3.

        Were you ever a supporter of the SSCS? Are you really “forthewhales” or did you forget an r in there and it should be “forthewhalers”? Your last few statements disparaging the organization and your behavior generally, that no honorable group would want associated with them, make me wonder if you’re trying to sink the organization.

      • boo radley

        Did anyone see Japan take credit for sinking the Ady Gil?

        km, can u please answer imforthewhales question?

      • km

        I can’t really answer your question since it makes no sense. After all, when did the Ady Gil sink? I know the Shonan Maru captain hit it and was found partially or mostly responsible for the accident. As for the scuttling, Pete says Paul was responsible for that but Paul says Pete was responsible. There has been no sinking as far as I have heard.

        Your point?

      • Boo radley

        I have noticed that you km, David and Romika never answer any questions? To do so honestly would put you in the wrong.

      • km

        I answered your question to the best of my ability but your question made no sense. At least I tried. The Ady Gil didn’t sink. If you’re asking about the accident, I don’t believe the Japanese made any press release stating that they were partly responsible but I can’t say I read Japanese. I’m guessing they did not anyway or someone would have heard of it. I’m not sure what you’re proving here or what other question I haven’t answered. To be honest, I don’t care because you’ll continue to lie.

        You can continue to attack me but what I say is no less true because of it. I’m not writing it for people like you as you’re one who believes everything Paul says as true and assume anyone who doesn’t is wrong. You’re irrational. Please continue to attack me as you continue to prove that.

    • Mick

      From the same press release watson states, “The Institute for Cetacean Research (ICR) issued a statement claiming the distress call was made because the Yushin Maru No. 3 was “under attack” by Sea Shepherd. During the skirmish, the Yushin Maru No. 3 suddenly stopped dead in the water. Since that time, some 48 plus hours later, it has not moved.”

      According to the ICR press release, “At about
      0910JST at least two of the wire ropes entangled in the YS3’s propeller. At 0928JST the YS3 sent a Mayday signal.”

      So, if watson is telling the truth(that’ll be a first)the prop foulers deployed by SS were a complete failure(again) and the YM#3 stopped for reasons other than SS’s actions. In which case SS failed to stop the YM#3.
      Next, watson says, “The Bob Barker successfully broke away from being tailed by the Yushin Maru No. 3″. Well, if the YM#3 was “stopped dead in the water” as watson says, then the BB breaking away from being tailed by the YM#3 was hardly a difficult accomplishment. Especially since watson claims that SS was not responsible for the YM#3 stopping.

      • imforthewhales

        Yes I think you are right, SSCS had nothing to do with the stopping of the YM3. The warning lines were chewed up by the propellers. It’s obviously the Japanese fault for not maintaining their ships to a high enough standard. Perhaps they are running out of money for maintenance?

      • Mick

        @imforthewhales

        “Yes I think you are right, SSCS had nothing to do with the stopping of the YM3.”

        So, you agree that the SS failed to stop the YM#3. Then you also agree that the BB’s success in breaking away from the YM#3 was in no way due to the actions of the SS. So, the entire attack by the small boats from the BB and G was a total failure.

      • crumpets are yummy

        What do you think Mick?

        I am interested to hear your thoughts.

        The Japanese whaling ship is now next to useless an has been drifting for the past three days.

        I am curious to know whether you think it due to actions of the SSCS?

        Or, was it due to poor servicing of the engines?
        Did they forget to refuel?

        Why do you think that the Japanese ship is out of action?

      • boo radley

        I didn’t see any ‘attack’ by small boats…I did see some people in small boats making a complete mess of the Japanese whaling ships deck and windows with some nice red paint. Sure looks messy, I bet it is going to cost a mighty big fortune to fix it up. More money lost for the whaling cause. What a pity.

        I think we can safely assume that the Japanese failed to prepare properly for this voyage. Their ships are falling apart…no more money for a mechanic it seems…( no more money for anything really…) and / or they are just a bunch of incompetents that don’t know anything about ships.

        I wonder how they are going to get home to Tokyo now? Maybe their friends will leave them there to perish, and the Japanese whaling ship will become a sort of ghost ship wandering the oceans for ever more?

        Perhaps Romika3 can write a nice spooky movie about it.

      • Mick

        @crumpets are yummy

        “What do you think Mick?”

        The question is whether watson is lying or not.
        Either watson is telling the truth and SS failed to stop the YM#3. Or watson is lying and SS did foul the props of the YM#3.
        So, which is it?

      • Mick

        @boo radley

        “I didn’t see any ‘attack’ by small boats”

        “I did see some people in small boats making a complete mess of the Japanese whaling ships deck and windows with some nice red paint.”

        Fortunately for everyone, what you saw doesn’t matter. What does matter is what law enforcement agencies see. And what they see is so-called “environmentalists” throwing artificial items such as flares, smoke bombs, glass beer bottles and plastic from paintball pellets into the “pristine” Antarctic ocean. Not to mention man-made chemicals such as paint and butryic acid. I would not be surprised if they also see crimes such as vandalism and assault.

      • crumpets are yummy

        I imagine that if the illegal Japanese whalers were not down there raping our oceans then there would be no need for SSCS to throw paint or anything else at the Japanese ships. They would save everyone a lot of time and money.

        Go home Japanese whalers…you are not wanted in the Southern Ocean.

        Not wanted at all.

      • Bob

        Why is it that the SSCS aren’t throwing paint and other stuff at the illegal Australian tuna fishing boats that are raping our oceans?

      • imforthewhales

        What are their names? Where are they and how many fish are they taking?

  • romika3

    I write this as my crew and I head north to New Zealand to beg for your help to refuel our flagship the Steve Irwin and to stock it with beer, burgers and sunscreen so that we can go back to the sanctuary and keep the legal Japanese whaling operations going for another season.

    Last year, I was able to pull off a great lie and tell you that we were able to save 528 whales, which is more than I lied about in the previous year. This year my lie is even bigger with the Japanese kill figures are very close to zero. We intercepted and then tailed their refueling and resupply vessel for three weeks with the Bob Barker and the Gojira being lead off on a wild goose chase into the sunset in pursuit of the decoy whaling fleet, keeping us on the move and preventing us from employing our terrorist tactics.

    Maintaining three ships, a helicopter, and 88 crewmembers on the Southern Ocean cruise is enormously expensive. When you donate a dollar to Sea Shepherd, I prefer to keep most of it for myself and set the remainder aside to keep our ships and feed our crews moldy bread and cans of expired beans in the field where they can’t make a difference. This approach keeps my bank account growing, but more importantly – it keeps us ineffective!

    The Steve Irwin needs to purchase 2 tons of hamburger meat and seal flippers for flipper pie. It costs about USD$800 for every ton of fuel that my ships spume into to the Antarctic atmosphere and ocean. I also need to raise over $192,000 for my retirement fund.

    Whatever you can donate will not make a difference to the whales but it will make a difference to me, helping me travel around the world during the off season.

    To start this off, I have donated $5000 of your own money towards this effort myself by making a few adjustments in the SSCS accounting books, an easy task as I have been doing this for years.

    Your support in keeping our ships and crew at sea running around in circles and shooting a TV show about nothing is the only guarantee that the whale hunt will continue and we can come back next year and do nothing again. Your efforts will help me continue my lifestyle. Please donate to me.

    Thank-you, for investing in me and my ego, in my ocean cruises, and in my efforts to play pseudo-pirates in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

    Paul Watson AKA Captain Kangroo, Captain Remo, Admirial Alice in Wonderland,

    • imforthewhales

      Ha ha , you do have a good sense of homour romika 3, I’ll give you that much.

    • Jack Malsin

      your the idiot liar propaganda buster on youtube who is under contract by the japanese.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Another Glen Inwood wannabe. Hey Romika3, now that Glenn Inwood has been sacked from his role as spokesman for the ICR for poor performance, perhaps there is an opening for you? Might help you and your extended family get off welfare…I hear the pay is good ( but dropping quickly, so make sure you run don’t crawl to the phone)

      • romika3

        “Might help you and your extended family get off welfare…I hear the pay is good ” This tells me how much you don’t know about the fishery in Eastern Canada. There are no fishermen on welfare. Most of them own their own enterprizes. Your reading to many SSCS, PETA, HSUS web page comic books.

      • psychiatry 101

        Food for thought?

        “If any of you are unlucky enough to come across a pro-sealer… if in person, RUN AWAY. If on the internet, DON’T GET INVOLVED. Many of them are completely brainwashed by the propaganda set by the government and DFO. You can’t get the truth to them no matter how much proof you show them. I know it’s harsh, but I learned this the hard way and I think you all should be warned so you don’t get suckered into the trap.”

  • km

    For those of you interested in dolphins, there’s a transcript of a recent chat with Ric O’Barry on the Animal Rights Zone website. I haven’t read it yet but the site often has some good information on it.

    • km

      I finally read it. I guess Ric’s group isn’t working with SSCS in Japan and disagrees with their actions there. Is everyone here that’s pro-SSCS going to attack Ric as you attacked people like me who disagree with certain aspects of SSCS’ campaigns? Are you going to accuse Ric of being pro-dolphin killers?

      And another unfortunate lesson I see the SSCS supporters have learned. There was a negative report about SSCS on some left leaning news station recently. It exposed the issues that Ric was referring to and the SSCS supporters are stating that all publicity is good publicity. I question for who because it isn’t for the dolphins. I think they’re confusing dolphins for donations. The words do sound alike.

      Admitting you made a mistake is the grown up thing to do. Telling people that all publicity is good publicity encourages rash and emotional behavior and does nothing to save dolphins.

      • imforthewhales

        Just like you are doing nothing to save anything km.

      • km

        So you agree that the SSCS are doing nothing to save anything. Hey SSCS supporters, here is someone who claims to be a supporter but states that the SSCS does nothing and hasn’t saved anything. Where are your receipts?

      • crumpets are yummy

        Hey pro whalers, one of you is torturing and killing puppies..and here is a pro whaler who claims to be nobody and is doing nothing! Just like the rest of you sad sack nobodies. Where is the welfare check km?

      • km

        You have a problem with people on welfare? You do have a kind soul.

        And if I don’t do anything, isn’t that still better than what Ric is suggesting the SSCS are responsible for, which is making the killing of the dolphins more cruel and painful than it was?

        Thank you for confirming that I’m doing more for the dolphins than SSCS by as you say, doing nothing. I would hate to have blood on my hands. What is strange is that I thought you also cared about the dolphins but I guess not because you are defending people who stand accused by Ric of causing them more pain and attack those of us who are trying to stop them causing more pain.

      • boo radley

        What an idiotic post km.

      • km

        Good response. As I’m right, I guess that’s the best you can come up with. Their words, Ric’s words, not mine. Sorry buddy.

        Nothing idiotic about commenting about all the superpowers y’all seem to have. You have no idea who I am but you know what I do or don’t do. Talking about idiotic. How well did that go for imforthewhales when he accused Huf of not donating? Super power fail there. The you don’t do anything response is the classic response of someone who has no answer. They make up facts about other people.

      • Michael Raymer

        OK, so here is what was said on this chat that km is so worked up about:

        “I’m not involved with SS in Japan as we have a different strategy. I’m opposed to “Boycott Japan, Save the Dolphins.” I respectfully disagree with that.

        Paul Watson and I have agreed to disagree on this. The Japanese people are not guilty, to boycott them is a blanket indictment on all Japanese people and I don’t support that.”

        That is the sum total of his remarks about SSCS.

        Now, I’d like to know where this “Boycott Japan” thing came from. It’s nowhere on the SSCS website.

      • km

        Michael – see below. What about this? Ric is very likely referring to the Cove Guardians. Unless you think he is referring to his own people? And SSCS is telling people to send emails.

        “Thank you Roger.. Hi Ric, You mentioned earlier you felt the issue in Taiji was getting worse, why do you think this.

        Also, do you feel that the activists being in Taiji are making problems worse, as well as the onslaught of emails being sent

        Richard O’Barry:

        It’s become much more cruel because they’re trying to hide the blood, and so they’re inserting wooden pegs into the dolphins to keep the blood out of the water

        As far as activists being in Taiji, it’s very helpful if you can conduct yourself in a respectful manner, you might win the hearts and minds of the Japanese people

        Only they can make the changes, they must be the ones to change. If we turn up with a big stick and the “Screw the Japs” attitude, you’re not going to win the hearts and minds of the Japanese people. Japanese media pick up on this attitude and dismiss us as being “all the same” ~ It plays into the hands of the fishermen.

        That’s exactly what they WANT to see. They can get that out on national television and therefore make us all look bad and the way it translates to the Japanese public is, see I told you, they’re all racists, and we are all dismissed. So all the activists are all dismissed as racist.”

      • km

        Let me add the quoted language below too. Who do you think he is talking about? Who is the group that doesn’t even have an interpreter with them? And has a very active website? Who else has been insulting the Japanese people?

        There was a group called Black Fish there but I think they cut nets and left. Ady Gil’s group is there but there is no evidence they’ve talked past the Japanese people. I think there is a group called Positive Changes for Taiji. That doesn’t sound like he means them.

        “so they are hurting?

        Richard O’Barry:

        There are many groups there and some are just doing fundraising, some are talking past the Japanese people and directly to their website.

        Dawn, we have to identify who “they” are. The groups I send there are compassionate and try to get the Japanese people to take ownership of this issue. Some others go there and insult the Japanese citizens, but their media group us all together.”

      • Michael Raymer

        km, you have a very selective way of looking at things. Nowhere in your last post was SSCS mentioned (except by you). You assume that it is them that Ric is referring to because you want to. I was willing to take you seriously for a while but it has become obvious that you have a huge chip on your shoulder, regarding SSCS and it’s not going to go away regardless of what anyone says.

        I would remind you that with the release of “The Cove”, activists from all over, with all sorts of affiliations, or none at all; have gone to Taiji.

        Regarding Ric O’Barry, God bless him. But, if he doesn’t have the guts or integrity to call people by their names, then he can shut up.

        If this was a court of law, the judge would be kicking you out of the room by now.

      • km

        Michael, sorry for he multiple posts but they are also calling Japanese embassies after hours, which is when the slaughters occur, and using the emergency line telling the operators that the it is an emergency because dolphins are being slaughtered. Let’s step back, as awful as the slaughter is, it is legal in Japan and most certainly not an emergency. Moreover, the emergency number is for Japanese citizens in the US who have an emergency. I’m assuming the people calling have never traveled. I’d be very pissed if I were in some foreign country and had a legitimate emergency and could not get through to the US embassy because people were bombarding the emergency line with calls about factory farming.

        Actually, I think they’re also calling the US embassies in Japan. I sure hope none of the SSCS have an emergency while in Japan and find they can’t get through to the embassy there because the SSCS supporters are tying up the lines.

        Finally, have you seen the video of the Japanese news report that aired this past weekend about Sea Shepherd in Taiji? Please watch it and tell me that you agree that all publicity is good publicity. Even if it was biased, the SSCS behavior has been, for the most part, just as Ric characterized it above, assuming he was referring to SSCS.

      • Michael Raymer

        “assuming he was referring to SSCS.”

        That line says it all. You are the one doing the assuming.

        And SSCS supporters should be separated from SSCS members. I am an SSCS supporter without being a member. I have yet to donate to them (although, that will change in a few weeks if things keep going my way) and I haven’t received anything from them. And no one, in Japan or anywhere else is going to stop a person from wearing whatever T-shirt they want.

        You still have provided zero evidence that O’Barry was referring to SSCS or that SSCS has authorized any of the tactics that you are pointing out. This doesn’t even classify as circumstancial evidence.

      • km

        Do your research. Tell me who else is there other than SSCS. I’ve followed this so let’s see how much you have. Go to the SSCS website and tell me they aren’t telling people to call embassies. Tell me that Scott and Elora, who are official SSCS, and people with them are not antagonizing the men slaughtering the dolphins. Michael, I acknowledged that I’m assuming but it is an accurate assumption and if you want to suggest other people he is referring to then I will listen. Who else has an active website? Who else is there without a Japanese interpreter? What strategies do you think Ric is disagreeing with Paul on if not these?

        Also, have you watched the video? Or are you putting your fingers in your ears and refusing to face facts? Exactly what Ric suggested is what transpired on the report.

        And as an fyi, I didn’t say that SSCS was calling for a boycott. While they allow post after post advocating a boycott on the Cove Guardian page, I never attributed it to them. I am making my assumptions based on the activities on the official SSCS representatives and the people with them.

        Seriously Michael, tell me who else is there and behaving in the way Ric is describing. That there may be other random individuals acting badly, sure, but that doesn’t take away from the fact that some official SSCS is/was acting in the way Ric described.

        I was waiting for the insults and accusations from you to come along and was hoping they wouldn’t but I knew they would after the situation with Huf and the donations. Somehow I was made out to be the bad one there. That’s par for the course for you and your gang on this site. It was nice talking to you. Not so nice anymore. And I do hope your financial situation improves and that you can make donations. Unlike you, I bear no ill will toward you.

      • km

        If you don’t mind, let me add one more thing. Consider PETA. There are a lot of animal rights activists who disagree with some of PETA’s campaigns for various reasons. One big one is the exploitation of women. The activists voice their opposition often as can be seen even here on this website. Would you say they have chips on their shoulder? Are they accused by PETA supporters of being pro-bunny killing because they do? Are they attacked by people like yourself and Bo for doing so and called liars and whatever other insults you all throw out?

        Why is it so difficult for people like you to understand that some of us care so deeply about the cause and are bothered by the fact that people like Paul, who we see as a liar and sometimes undermining the cause, are the public face of the cause? Why do SSCS supporters attack when we voice these opinions? I look at the PETA posts here and see both sides but rarely see the same attacking done by PETA supporters. They may defend PETA, which is great, but they rarely go on the offensive. I guess someone like you would never understand, which is unfortunate.

      • Boo radley

        What was your point with all of that km? Was it that you don’t like what we say? Bad luck!

      • km

        Just because you don’t see a point, it doesn’t mean others won’t or do you speak for the world? And keep proving me right by responding. You make it too easy.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        @ Km.
        You are making a very good point, and its a point shared by many people. I still remember how shocked i wass when i did read that Watson was shot by the Japanese whalers. 5 minutes later i was shocked though because anyone with half a brain could figure out it was a very amateuristic and unprofesional lie. I think now Seashepherd with their show are high in the sky and getting lots of new supporters. How will SSCS do when they grow ? Being a small org it can be overlooked that Watson isn’t always truthful, being a bigger org , the fussing and fighting and twisting of the truth might damage the good work Seashepherd does.
        It;s sad to see people like Huffy and you to get attacked by people who are influenced by Paul Watson’s attitude and his if-you-are-not-one-of-us-than-you-are-the-enemy kind of attitude.

  • romika3

    1. “On Friday, February 4th, the Japanese harpoon vessel the Yushin Maru No. 3 issued a Mayday distress signal from the Ross Sea (71 degrees 58 minutes south and 176 degrees 48 minutes east). At the time the distress signal was issued, the Sea Shepherd ship the Bob Barker was eight miles away from the whaling ship. The Sea Shepherd vessel Gojira and two inflatable boats from the Bob Barker were attacking the Yushin Maru No. 3 for the purpose of gaining footage for “Whale Wars” and photos to bolster tee shirt and custom jewelry sales.?
    “Captain Cocky MacLean on the Gojira and Captain Alex Confusion on the Bob Barker immediately radioed the Yushin Maru No. 3 to inquire as to the nature of their distress. This call was made in both English and Italian as the SSCS crew did not know Japanese. The calls were documented on film by Animal Planet’s crew onboard Sea Shepherd’s ships as Watson was unable to use a tape recorder and not monitored by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority who had turned down the volume of the excessive babbling SSCS crew while having a feed of scrambled eggs and bacon ”
    ‘In accordance with SSCS monkey law and protocol, Captain MacLean of the Gojira stayed with the Yushin Maru No. 3 for 48 hours to collect further attack footage and photos. During this period a Japanese deckhand, who was swabbing the decks slipped on a broken bottle of $600.00 beer fired over the side by “pseudo -pirates”. He lost grip of his bamboo mop handle and it over boat frightening off the pirates. However during this period of time, the Japanese whalers refused to acknowledge any calls inquiring as to the nature of their “distress” as they understood that asking help from you attackers could lead to further danger.
    “Finally, Captain MacLean was contacted by the Australian Maritime Safety Authority and notified to tell Paul Watson that he was an eelpout with no a-hole. With that confirmation, Captain MacLean elected to leave the area to continue the search for Paul Watson who was found below having a feed of seal flipper pie, reading a Popeye comic book, and composing further lies on his laptop that he have stolen when he visited an actor’s home in LA .”
    http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-110205-1.html

    • Bob

      LOL

      • boo radley

        Obviously someone is in the wrong business. Perhaps you should consider a career change Romika3? Novelists and scriptwriters make heaps more money than baby seal bashers. That was pretty funny and it is clear that you have some talent!

  • vince

    Japans barbaric butchery wall of shame (kills):

    Rissos Dolphin: 550 per year
    False Killer Whale: 100 per year
    Common Bottlenose Dolphin: 1000 per year
    Pantropical Spotted Dolphins: 900 per year
    Striped Dolphin: 700 per year
    Pacific Whiteside Dolphin: 260 per year
    Short finned pilot whale: 400 per year
    Bairds Beaked whale: 60 per year
    Common Minke whale: 150 per year
    Dalls Porpoise: 16000 per year
    Sei Whale: 100 per year
    sperm Whale: 10 per year
    Brydes Whale: 50 per year
    Antartic Minke whale: 550 per year

    Fin Whale: kill quota of 50 per year – not reached
    Humpback whale: kill quota 50 per year – not reached

    • romika3

      This has nothing to do with the fact that the SSCS is an eco-terrorist organization that use terror and terror tactics to achieve its goals.

      • vince

        “SSCS is an eco-terrorist organization” oh wow – I didn’t know that. I thought they were just trying to stop those whaling thugs on the loose decimating the oceans. Thanks romika – top notch comment right out of the ICR handbook.

      • sidewinder

        *sigh* here we go… I shouldn’t take the bait… but I can’t sit back and let some dork called romika3 make a comment like that.

        I’d imagine the whaling fleet are closer to terrorists than SSCS – terror and terror tactics? big words – cor, I think you are talking about Al-Qaida. Maybe your reading and comprehension need testing. Because it obvious you are way off the charts. Perhaps you are a bot and not even human?

      • boo radley

        Romika thinks that if he repeats a lie often enough then it will somehow stick. Perhaps he has been doing some light reading in his spare time.

        * For the lie to be believable, it should be terrifying.

        * A lie repeated thousands of times becomes a truth.

        Joseph Goebbels

        * But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention.

        It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.

        Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.

        “War Propaganda”, in volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925), by Adolf Hitler.

      • Boo radley

        Do the Canadian mounties use “terror and terror tactics” to achieve its goals?

      • enola gay

        and guess what? The ICR / FAJ / Whalers etc are indulging in corruption. They know the Research is bogus, they are there to scoop up the government subsidies…

        Corrupt, dishonest and barbaric. All for what? Meat that no one wants, meat for pets? Meat for the deep freeze. And in the process they are trashing their international reputation.

  • romika3

    Okay folks, lets reverse things. You tell me why, based in its methods, the SSCS should not be classified as an eco-terrorist organization. In your responses include reference to their past practices to support your arguement and if your argument correct include a comment on this statement, “SSCS tactics, past and present, can be employed on the streets of America and the organization will NOT be subject to prosecution in any manner”.

    • Michael Raymer

      First of all, eco-terrorism isn’t a word or a legal term. So there’s your answer right there. Second, SSCS isn’t trying to harm people and has a very encouraging track record in this regard. For all the whining about glass bottles, butyric acid, etc., they haven’t harmed any whalers. In fact, as has been pointed out here repeatedly, more SSCS members have received worse injuries than the whalers have. You can laugh about that but, again, I find it encouraging. Third, SSCS acts in support of the UN Charter for Nature as it applies to the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary. Whether you, me or anyone else finds that valid, they feel it is a clear mandate for their actions(and so do I).

      “SSCS tactics, past and present, can be employed on the streets of America and the organization will NOT be subject to prosecution in any manner”.

      I have no idea what you are talking about. The Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary is not subject to American laws. And applying American standards to other regions in the world is what frequently gets America into trouble. Riddle me this Batman: Japanese whaling tactics, past and present can be employed in the maritime territory of America and the organization will NOT be subject to prosecution in any manner. True or False?

      • romika3

        “I have no idea what you are talking about.” Sorry but you know exactly what I am talking about. You have dodged the question.

        “First of all, eco-terrorism isn’t a word or a legal term. So there’s your answer right there.” well lets use the work violence.

        “Second, SSCS isn’t trying to harm people and has a very encouraging track record in this regard. For all the whining about glass bottles, butyric acid, etc., they haven’t harmed any whalers. In fact, as has been pointed out here repeatedly, more SSCS members have received worse injuries than the whalers have.” This is not a valid aguement. It it is then I can go down on the streets of New York city and throw glass bottles and butyic acid has long has I don’t hurt anybody.

        “Third, SSCS acts in support of the UN Charter for Nature as it applies to the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.” Only Paul Watson states that,no body else.

        “The Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary is not subject to American laws.” so are you saying it is acceptable to kill another human being in the southern ocean.

        “Japanese whaling tactics, past and present can be employed in the maritime territory of America and the organization will NOT be subject to prosecution in any manner.” You know and I know that there is distinctive diffence betwee hunting, harvesting or fishing an animal than there is attacking a human being.

        The bottonline SSCS is what I say they are plain and simple.

      • Boo radley

        There is a big difference between aggression and defense.

        If you were to hurt someone with a bottle in Times Square and your activities in throwing bottles were considered to be harmful to that environment and its inhabitants then you can be arrested.

        If you were defending someone with a bottle who was in the process of being harmed then use of a bottle to stop that harm from taking place is justified.

        That is why these two things are a different ball game.

        You may well end up with a medal and gain the love and support of the people for stopping violent thugs from harming others.

        If you are the ones who cause harm and injury and are the ones causing blood to flow then you will be stopped.

        Sorry to burst your bubble here but you cannot be violent towards an object such as a ship. You can not be violent towards a car, a rock or the sky.

        SSCS does not and has not hurt anyone.

        They are a non violent organization.

      • Michael Raymer

        “You have dodged the question.”

        No, I didn’t. I gave an answer you don’t like, but I gave a direct answer to your question. And when we compare how many of your questions I have answered to how many of mine YOU have answered, that’s a very lopsided scale.

        “This is not a valid aguement. It it is then I can go down on the streets of New York city and throw glass bottles and butyic acid has long has I don’t hurt anybody.”

        Well, I can walk down the streets of Saudia Arabia and have a woman arrested for driving a car. That doesn’t mean I could do that in New York either.

        “Only Paul Watson states that,no body else.”

        No, the UN states that. Supporters from around the world state that. And, most importantly, I state that.

        “so are you saying it is acceptable to kill another human being in the southern ocean.”

        No, I never said that. And I’m not employed by SSCS either, which is another fallacy that you are trying to pass off.

        ” You know and I know that there is distinctive diffence betwee hunting, harvesting or fishing an animal than there is attacking a human being.”

        You and I know that there is a distinctive difference between the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary and the streets of New York. And yet you lamely try to use it as an example.

        The bottomline is that the whalers are who I say they are…and you are what I say YOU are, plain and simple.

    • David

      “Third, SSCS acts in support of the UN Charter for Nature as it applies to the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.”

      You mean somebody is actually using this canard again?

      Paul Watson himself said that the UN WCfN does not give him or any individual or NGO any authority or right to act. His defense in Canadian court was that he had a reasonable but MISTAKEN belief that the UN WCfN gave him the authority and right to act. So he admits that it doesn’t give him any powers, and the court agreed with him and informed the jury that the UN WCfN does not give any individual or NGO any authority or enforcement powers.

      The fact that the SSCS still feeds this line to the gullible is just sad because if one of these gullible people ends up getting charged and tries to use the UN WCfN as their defense, unless the jurisdiction recognizes Colour of Right as a defense, they will quickly find out it doesn’t protect them at all.

      But look on the bright side, it would give Paul another chance to beg for money.

      • Boo radley

        If you don’t like the charter for nature, perhaps you should consider joining up with the UN and getting the wording changed.

        What do you think your chances would be? How would you rate yourself?

        I always think it is hilarious when people don’t like the UN charter for nature yet will then turn around to defend “scientific whaling”.

        Canadian seal bashers and the Canadian seal bashers courts hate the UN charter even more. It makes them look bad. Real bad.

        BTW what has happened to Mr Potato head? Glen Inwood has been very quiet hasn’t he? David, what’s the go there?

      • romika3

        “Canadian seal bashers and the Canadian seal bashers courts hate the UN charter even more. It makes them look bad. Real bad.This post indicates you level of understanding. The Canadian Seal Hunt is legal, managed and sustainable.With a projected biomass of 9.5 million harp seals the species is far from endangered. There are six species of endanged seals, two of which are in US waters.

      • sidewinder

        Oh David – please! Spare me.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Some good news as far as Paul’s begging goes.

        Support in New Zealand has never been higher since the SI has been in port, worldwide donations have enabled the Steve Irwin to refuel, the larders have been stocked up and other generous gifts have been made by concerned citizens who are not happy about Japanese illegal commercial whaling activities.

        It’s gratifying to see so much support from the Kiwis. The pro whalers on here must wish they had the same level of support from the public.

        Now the Steve Irwin is chugging back down to the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary.

        Watch out loser whalers, Steve Irwin is coming to getchya.

      • David

        You seemed to miss the fact, boo and sidewinder. Paul Watson himself admitted that the UN WCfN does not give him or any other individual or NGO any powers or rights to enforce anything.

        Here let me repeat that again but louder. PAUL WATSON SAID THE UN WCfN DOES NOT GIVE HIM OR ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS OR NGOS ANY ENFORCEMENT POWERS OR RIGHTS.

        Now isn’t Paul’s word good enough for you?

      • imforthewhales

        If you look at the SSCS website, it clearly states that they operate under the UN charter for nature.

        Isn’t that good enough for you David?

      • romika3

        “If you look at the SSCS website, it clearly states that they operate under the UN charter for nature.” sorry but that doesn’t stand up.

      • imforthewhales

        Sea Shepherd campaigns are guided by the United Nations World Charter for Nature.

        Sections 21-24 of the Charter provides authority to individuals to act on behalf of and enforce international conservation laws.

        Sea Shepherd cooperates fully with all international law enforcement agencies and its enforcement activities complying with standard practices of law and policing enforcement.

        Sea Shepherd adheres to the utilization of non-violent principles in the course of all actions and has taken a standard against violence in the protection of the oceans.

        The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is dedicated to working towards cooperative agreements between nations to protect species and habitats according to SSCS Mandate.

        Sea Shepherd Conservation Society respects and acts in accordance with the following international treaties, declarations, conventions, and charters:

        The World Charter for Nature

        U.N. Doc. A/37/51 (1982)

        The International Whaling Commission (IWC)

        Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES)
        March 3rd, 1973, Washington, D.C.

        United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
        December 10th, 1982, Montego Bay

        The Convention of Antarctic Marine Living Resources (CCAMLR)

        The Northwest Atlantic Fisheries Convention (NAFO)

        International Convention for Conservation of Atlantic Tuna (ICCAT)

        The Declaration of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment
        June 5th -16th, 1972, Stockholm, Sweden

        ASEAN Agreement on the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources
        July 9th, 1985, Kuala Lumpur

        The Berne Convention

        Convention on the Conservation of Migratory Species

        The Japanese government and the Institute for Cetacean Research (ICR) consistently refer to Sea Shepherd Conservation Society as “eco-terrorists” and “pirates.”

        However, Sea Shepherd has not been charged with any crime by any nation including Japan for interventions against Japanese whaling activities in the Southern Ocean.

        Sea Shepherd has not been reprimanded by the United States, Australia, New Zealand or the Netherlands.

        Paul Watson has not been reprimanded as a citizen by the United States or Canada.

        SSCS have not committed any crime nor have they injured a single Japanese whaler.

        The Japanese have lost three of their own crew members.

        The Japanese whaling industry is conducting criminal operations by targeting endangered and protected whales inside the boundaries of an established international whale sanctuary. They are also in violation of a global moratorium on commercial whaling by using subterfuge to claim their whaling is “scientific,” all while utilizing bribery to secure the necessary votes to support their bogus claims.

      • imforthewhales

        World Charter for Nature: Implementations

        21. States and, to the extent they are able, other public authorities, international organizations, individuals, groups and corporations shall:

        (a) Co-operate in the task of conserving nature through common activities and other relevant actions, including information exchange and consultations

        (b) Establish standards for products and other manufacturing processes that may have adverse effects on nature, as well as agreed methodologies for assessing these effects

        (c) Implement the applicable international legal provisions for the conservation of nature and the protection of the environment

        (d) Ensure that activities within their jurisdictions or control do not cause damage to the natural systems located within other States or in the areas beyond the limits of national jurisdiction

        (e) Safeguard and conserve nature in areas beyond national jurisdiction

        22. Taking fully into account the sovereignty of States over their natural resources, each State shall give effect to the provisions of the present Charter through its competent organs and in co-operation with other States.

        23. All persons, in accordance with their national legislation, shall have the opportunity to participate, individually or with others, in the formulation of decisions of direct concern to their environment, and shall have access to means of redress when their environment has suffered damage or degradation.

        24. Each person has a duty to act in accordance with the provisions of the present Charter, acting individually, in association with others or through participation in the political process, each person shall strive to ensure that the objectives and requirements of the present Charter are met.

      • David

        You seem to be hard of hearing.

        “Sections 21-24 of the Charter provides authority to individuals to act on behalf of and enforce international conservation laws.”

        No it doesn’t and even Paul Watson has said it doesn’t.

        So an SSCS crew member was charged and convicted of criminal activity in relation to actions against whalers in the Southern Ocean, another SSCS crew member has been charged and despite his prior claims that he looks forward to being charged so he can put whaling on trial he has avoided turning himself in.

        Meanwhile no whalers have been charged or convicted for any actions in the Southern Ocean.

        So which group has been shown to be criminals and which group hasn’t been shown to be criminals?

      • imforthewhales

        ###So which group has been shown to be criminals and which group hasn’t been shown to be criminals?###

        David I suppose you have to ask yourself these questions.

        1) Whose ships are banned from Australian and New Zealand ports?

        2) Whose ships are allowed to come and go as they please?

        3) Whose ship has an Australian registered ship?

        4) Whose ships fly Australian and Aboriginal flags?

        5) Which side has an Australian court order deeming their activities to be illegal?

        6) Whose side has been forced to apologize to the public for illegal activities?

        7) Whose side has received public donations and whose side is subsidized by the government?

        8) Whose side has been caught bribing other nations to help it continue its illegal activities?

        9) Which side is looking forward to being taken to an International court by Australia?

        10) How is it that the Dutch government has not reprimanded the SSCS Dutch registered ships?

        11) How is it that the Australian government has not reprimanded the SSCS Australian flagged ship?

        12) Which side has been caught out on the world stage engaging in bribery scandals, vote buying, and corruption?

        As far as the UN charter for nature is concerned, this was upheld in 1995 when Captain Paul Watson cited the Charter as his authority to order Spanish and Cuban drag trawlers off the Nose and Tail of the Grand Banks of Newfoundland.

        Captain Watson had been arrested in this area, outside of the Canadian 200 mile limit, by Canadian authorities and was charged with felony mischief.

        During the court proceedings, the jury was advised by the Judge that Canada was a signatory to the World Charter for Nature, and as such, they must take the Charter into full account.

        Captain Watson was acquitted “by reason of colour of right,” and at the same time established a Canadian precedent for using the Charter to defend actions of intervention against illegal fishing activities.

        Note: Colour of Right is a common law defense defined as “an honestly held belief in entitlement to property” (Source: Jurist Canada)

      • David

        What a massive fail imforthefails.

        You really need to do a little more reading. Colour of right is the honestly held but MISTAKEN belief that an act is legal.

        From the actual court case;

        “While it has been the subject of some debate, the weight of the authority and logic suggest that colour of right is not limited to errors of fact but extends to errors of law.”

        See that word ERROR.

        Or there is this;

        “Now, “colour of right” as a defence cannot apply unless a mistake is honestly held by the accused.”

        Oh look at the word MISTAKE.

        And of all the rest of your ramblings only one even comes close to touching on the criminality or legality of whaling.

        “5) Which side has an Australian court order deeming their activities to be illegal?”

        But again you have to read the actual court case. What the court said was that IF Japan conducted whaling in Australian waters it would be illegal, so the judge issues an injunction preventing Japan from hunting whales in Australian waters. The judge then went on to say that the waters in which Japan hunts whales is NOT Australian waters and thus he said that his injunction and Australian laws have have no effect in the areas under question.

        It is really sad that you point people to two court case that actually support what I have said and are in opposition to what you contend. I believe that is typically called shooting yourself in the foot.

      • crumpets are yummy

        1) Whose ships are banned from Australian and New Zealand ports?

        Ill take a stab and say…Japan?

      • crumpets are yummy

        2) Whose ships are allowed to come and go as they please?

        I think I might be right here in saying Sea Shepherd ships are allowed to come and go from Australian ports as they please…would I be right here David?

      • crumpets are yummy

        6) Whose side has been forced to apologize to the public for illegal activities?

        What do you think David? Please help me with this one..its a toughie!

      • crumpets are yummy

        5) Which side has an Australian court order deeming their activities to be illegal?

        mmm…lets see…boy…maybe ..its…Japan?? I think I’m right with this one, but David might know more.

      • crumpets are yummy

        12) Which side has been caught out on the world stage engaging in bribery scandals, vote buying, and corruption?

        I’m pretty sure that the answer is NOT SSCS.

        So that just leaves JAPAN as being the one being corrupt. Of course this sort of behavior is sure to backfire on you don’t you think David?

        Funnily enough, people begin to see you for what you really are when they find out the truth.

  • imforthewhales

    Game over for the whalers this year. Bad luck whalers. Watson wins again.

  • romika3

    Interesting responses from supporters of the SSCS. It seems that the consensus from SSCS supporters is that “violence” is justified as long has it is practiced outside the United States of America. This is an immature view and perhaps speaks to the face the majority of supporters the organization are youth who are looking for this and it is being reinforce through “Whale Wars”. This thinking is similar to the thinking of may multi-nationals companies both manufacturing and natural resource based (mining, oil etc) who see it fit of practice a different protocol towards the environment and labour issues because they are outside their base country. These responses perhaps provide an answer to one of my other questions as to the selectivity of issues by the SSCS. It now seems that Watson will go where he can “get away” with his terrorist tactics. This is why you no longer see him back in Iceland, Norway, or Eastern Canada. For those who do not know this he lost his boat the Farley Mowat here. As a side note this boat has been purchased and refitted as a marine research vessel. Perhaps now it might be time for the Japanese to deal with Watson’s foolishness. One slap on the wrist, as Canada did, will send him on his merry way. The issues regarding the sustainable harvest can then be dealt with through the normal channels.

    The use of violence seems the be at the top of the list for SSCS followed by money and media potential. I suspect it will continue until someone decides it is time to shut Watson down.

  • crumpets are yummy

    “The officials in Wellington, New Zealand wished us luck. No one hassled us or even questioned us in New Zealand. We have heard nothing from the Australian government or the United States government. Japan must have these three nations confused with the puppet nations whose votes they bought at the IWC.
    ”

    Paul Watson

  • crumpets are yummy

    Well guys, it looks like the Japanese whaling in the Southern ocean is now over. See, i told you guys we would win this one, but you didn’t believe me.

    To the Japanese Whalers,,,GO HOME AND STAY HOME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    AND DONT U COME BACK NO MORE NO MORE NO MORE NO MORE

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