by Michael dEstries
Categories: Animals, Causes.
Photo: SeaShepherd.org

When the Sea Shepherd hit the Faeroe Islands later this summer, it will be with a much greater splash than last year’s “exploratory mission”.

Summer 2010 in the Danish Protectorate was something of an information gathering affair, with the org chartering the Gulfo Azzurro to conduct surveillance of the Faeroe Islands and its annual pilot whale hunt. As announced late last year, SSCS will be returning this summer to deploy “a curtain of sound between the whales and their killers on the islands.” They also intend to full document the campaign – though it’s unclear at this time if that footage will end up in something like Animal Planet’s “Whale Wars”.

“We will have crew on the beaches, on the water, under the water, and in the air,” said Captain Watson in a statement. “It is time to blow this horror show out of the water once and for all. The killing is a violation of the Berne Convention and Denmark needs to be brought to task. If the Faeroese are going to enjoy the benefits of the European Union, they need to abide by the laws of the European Union.”

Watson also recently revealed on Facebook that two of the Sea Shepherd’s most celebrated vessels, the Steve Irwin and the Gojira, will make up the fleet stationed in the Faeroes.

For more, hit the official campaign site here.

About Michael dEstries

Michael has been blogging since 2005 on issues such as sustainability, renewable energy, philanthropy, and healthy living. He regularly contributes to a slew of publications, as well as consulting with companies looking to make an impact using the web and social media. He lives in Ithaca, NY with his family on an apple farm.

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  • romika3

    Well, well. The first question we have to ask is why the SSCS not in the Mediterranean. The answer is simple, there is no money in tuna and it is too dangerous. Why the Faeroe Islands, well it isolated with a small population of people who depend on whale has their primary source of protein, there is blood which makes for great fundraising video and photographs, and finally the people of the Faeroe are fisher people who live a simple life. They will not fight back and will be easy to demonize, abuse, and to focus hate towards. Watson and SSCS is a pathetic and opportunistic organization that employs terror and terror tactics to achieve their goals.

    • AnimuX

      Lies. The Faroes is NOT dependent on pilot whale meat for their primary source of protein. In fact, doctors from the Faroes have WARNED people to stop eating pilot whale meat from the grind because of high levels of mercury and other contamination.

      The slaughter in the Faroes drive hunts called “the grind” are purely for ritualistic blood sport these days like a “rite of manhood” as the population is by world standards both modern and wealthy.

      It’s pathetic that so many pro-whaling antagonists like romika will state pure lies just to attack Sea Shepherd on any issue just because their own industry (like Canada’s bloody and cruel seal hunt) is the subject of protest.

      • romika3

        Rubbish

      • romika3

        The pilot whale meat and blubber is stored, prepared, and eaten in the Faroese households. This also means that whale meat is not available at supermarkets. Although the Faroe Islands’ main export is fish, this does not include pilot whale meat or blubber. An annual catch of 956 pilot whales[11] (1990–1999) is roughly equivalent to 500 tonnes of meat and blubber, some 30% of all meat produced locally in the Faroe Islands.

      • romika3

        “The slaughter in the Faroes drive hunts called “the grind” are purely for ritualistic blood sport these days like a “rite of manhood”

        reference please

      • romika3

        “In fact, doctors from the Faroes have WARNED people to stop eating pilot whale meat from the grind because of high levels of mercury and other contamination.” This is true but not only here. Those who participate in recreational fishing in the US, Canada and other parts of the world are suggested to limit the weekly intake of fish.

      • romika3

        “It’s pathetic that so many pro-whaling antagonists like romika will state pure lies just to attack Sea Shepherd on any issue just because their own industry (like Canada’s bloody and cruel seal hunt) is the subject of protest.”

        It’s pathetic that the SSCS chooses to attack bassed on the money making and media potenial of an issue. The pilot whales ARE not endangered, the harvest is sustainable.

      • Fingering

        Animux – Why do you lie so much? You know nothing about the grind but what Paul Watson lies about. Stay out of other countries business – clean up your own country first. Come to Iceland Animux – you will see how useless you really are and how your business will not work, fool. hahahahahahahaa

      • AnimuX

        “In a dietary survey taken in 1982 in the Faroes, the average daily consumption of pilot-whale meat in the adult population was around 12 grams per person per day — 7 grams of that from blubber.

        In 2000 and 2001, we asked pregnant women to describe their dietary habits. And to our surprise, they reported that their intake of pilot-whale meat was next to nothing. In 2001, consumption was down to around 1 gram of pilot-whale meat and a half-gram of blubber. When we took blood samples and analyzed them for methylmercury, [we saw] very low concentrations — around 1 microgram per liter. The median concentration in cohort 1, taken in 1986 and 1987, was 24 in the umbilical cord blood. That means a drop from 20 to 1, and I think [those low concentrations] were a result of these recommendations.”

        “After the initial study, we designed a follow-up examination for 14-year-olds, using the same cohorts we had established in 1986 and 1987. I was still hoping that the findings among the 7-years-olds would have disappeared. To my disappointment, they had not. We saw the same patterns of neuropsychological effects with the 14-years-olds, as we did at aged 7. It meant that the negative effects on their brains had not disappeared and had, instead, become chronic. We are now planning to raise money to begin a new study at 21 years of age.”

        “When we looked at the PCBs and compared 2000 and 2001 blood levels with the levels taken in ’94, there was no significant reduction. This was disturbing. These substances are much more persistent, meaning that they accumulate in your body and will stay there for a long time. Unlike with mercury, it’s not enough to say to a woman, “When you intend to become pregnant, reduce your mercury intake and within 45 days you can bring down the levels very fast.” These [other] substances are persistent, much more persistent. But we don’t know really what the toxicology of these substances is [or] how harmful [they] are in the concentrations seen in the Faroes population.”

      • boo radley

        The Faeroes whale slaughter is on a par with the Canadian seal hunt. Blood and guts for all participants, the thrill of a kill, ritual suffering for the victims.

        There is little doubt that the Faeroes will fight back…with insatiable ignorance, an inability to recognize suffering and a total reluctance to change their barbaric & bloody slaughter of highly intelligent beings.

      • Danish whaledefender

        Romika3 why are you such a big liar and propaganda spreader???
        The Grind isn’t neccesary anymore up there
        The meat can be bought in supermarkets
        The meat has been deemed unfit for human consumption by the Faroese health department
        That was just the lies you was writing now im gonna move on to your country Iceland!!
        The whalehunt on Iceland is an act of terror on the planet (hunting endangered species)and the meat from the whales are just as toxic as the meat from the Norwegian whalemurders,the Faroese whalemurders and the Japanese whalemurders, the only thing there are different is that Japan is calling it “research” while the other “countries” are more honest and call it what it is!!! But that doesn’t make it more correct it’s still just as PATHETIC and PSYCHOTIC just like the majority of the people living there!!!

      • Drangi

        Jó Dane,

        You say dont tell lies and probaganda and then you come with the biggest bullshit yourself.

        Why dont you calm down a bit and walk on top of some mountain? Yeah right you dont have any mountains in Denmark lol

      • ednakano

        Mercurry from dolphin meat in natural never cause health problem.

      • faroese

        the whale killing in the faroe islands is not a “blood sport” nore a main foodsource on the faroe islands but it is a food source and its free.. we dont see well oppon that people take money fore the whalemeat but some do ( werry few people)the most people give it away for free if they have to much to family or friends who cant go to the whalekilling them selves. this is not a tradition but free food.. the pilot whale is not a endangered species so i dont see the problem in hunting these whales? the whale is dead in about 2-3 seconds and we are doing our best to make it quikker so the whale gets a quik death. you should be konsentrading on other problems like the dolphin killing in japan and kruelty in the chikkenfarms all over..

        p.s. sorry about my bad enlish ;)

      • AnimuX

        The simple fact of the matter is that people in the Faroe Islands will not starve without pilot whale meat. They don’t depend on the animals for nutritional subsistence. With an average income of over $38,000 the people of the Faroe Islands are relatively wealthy by world standards. In other words, they can buy a lunch instead of feeding toxic meat to their children.

        Every “grind” is based entirely on opportunity. If the whales are spotted traveling nearby then an attempt is made to steer them toward shore where “some, not all” Faroese people drop whatever they’re doing and rush to get involved in the mass slaughter.

        Despite the fact that only some Faroese people participate in the grind on occasion they manage to kill enough pilot whales on average to produce 500 or more tons of meat and blubber. It’s been pointed out that this would amount to 5 times the recommended annual safe amount of whale meat for every human being in the Faroes (though some Faroese doctors have warned that meat and blubber from the grind should be considered unsafe in any amount).

        In short, they kill these animals because they enjoy it. Because of the way it makes them “feel”. Because it makes them feel like a true “Faroese”. Not because they’re forced to for economic or nutritional survival. The massive slaughter of cetaceans in the Faroe Islands is very much a ritualistic blood sport where sick people kill entire pods of whales with their own hands for pleasure…

      • Drangi

        I got a little bit lost there are you talking about Oil and Iraqi war or humans doing like other humans do, hunt for food?

      • AnimuX

        Once again, the Faroe Islands are not a tribal village in an arctic wasteland.

        We’re talking about a wealthy island nation, a protectorate of Denmark, where people slaughter entire pods of pilot whales in a cruel manner for pleasure.

        There is no nutritional or economic need for the “grind”. In fact, Faroese doctors have warned people that the pilot whales are unsafe for human consumption due to the levels of toxic mercury, PCBs and other chemicals found in the meat and blubber.

        The “grind” is not a hunt for food. It is a brutal mass slaughter of cetaceans for nothing more than sick pleasure.

      • Drangi

        “Once again, the Faroe Islands are not a tribal village in an arctic wasteland.” Are you the judge of that? Have you been there? Spoken to the people?

        “We’re talking about a wealthy island nation, a protectorate of Denmark” O I see you mean to poor to take care of themselves?

        But the question is do they eat it? Or do they throw it away?

        Why can the inuits in Alaska hunt for whale? Wait for it a little bit longer its USA the “biggest country” in the world. Cant the USA Government feed them? So they dont need to hunt for whale? As I am giving me the fact you are from the States.

      • AnimuX

        “The Faroese economy is dependent on fishing, which makes the economy vulnerable to price swings. The sector accounts for about 95% of exports and nearly half of GDP. In early 2008 the Faroese economy began to slow as a result of smaller catches and historically high oil prices that continue to trouble the economy. Though oil prices have come down, reduced catches, especially of cod and haddock, have continued to strain the Faroese economy. GDP grew 0.5% in 2008-09. The slowdown in the Faroese economy followed a strong performance since the mid-1990s with annual growth rates averaging close to 6%, mostly a result of increased fish landings and salmon farming, and high export prices. Unemployment reached its lowest level in the first half of 2008, but increased to 3.9% in 2009 and is rising. The Faroese Home Rule Government produced increasing budget surpluses that helped to reduce the large public debt, most of it to Denmark. However, total dependence on fishing and salmon farming make the Faroese economy very vulnerable to fluctuations in world demand. In addition, budget surpluses turned to deficits in 2008-09, and the economy at both the country and local level is running large deficits. Initial discoveries of oil in the Faroese area give hope for eventual oil production, which may provide a foundation for a more diversified economy and less dependence on Danish economic assistance. Aided by an annual subsidy from Denmark amounting to about 6% of Faroese GDP, the Faroese have a standard of living almost equal to that of Denmark and Greenland.”

        GDP composition:
        agriculture: 16%
        industry: 29%
        services: 55% (2007 est.)

        People in the Faroes do continue to eat the toxic meat and blubber from the pilot whales they slaughter despite the warnings from Faroese doctors and long term studies that have shown negative health consequences as a result.

        As for the ignorant comment about Alaskan natives, the Inuit are given an exception from US laws that prohibit killing or harming marine mammals. They have demonstrated a need for nutritional subsistence in remote parts of Alaska where other food is not plentiful. The hunts are regulated and also approved by the International Whaling Commission.

        However, this article is not about Alaskan natives. It’s about the sick minded individuals of the Faroe Islands who take pleasure in slaughtering entire pods of pilot whales by hand in an event that is no more a hunt than literally shooting fish in a barrel.

      • Drangi

        I see from this that they are dependent on economic assistance from Denmark. So they are not a free country. They have home rule but controlled by the Danes. Is that a lot different from natives of Alaska? Given the fact that Faroese Island only has about 55 thousand people?
        Or because it’s in your back yard it’s ok?

        Why calling them sick minded? It’s normal for them. Probably as normal as for you shooting Iraqis,Afghans, Koreans, Vietnams and nuking Japanese.

        No this is not about Alaska because they can hunt for whale, it’s allowed even though bowhead whale is near extinction. But why fight it? It’s probably too big for you lets go after the good hearted people of the Faroese Islands. That will make you feel good.

      • AnimuX

        Only pro-whalers would suggest that natives in Alaska who hunt to feed their villages are the same as an industrialized protectorate of European powers who kill whales for pleasure.

        They are sick minded because they slaughter entire pods of pilot whales with absolutely no need to do so and call this ritual (the grind) a tradition.

        Once again, you continue to attempt to skew the discussion away from the horrible conduct of the Faroese people with completely unrelated subjects. How many straw men will the pro-whalers burn in these comments, I wonder?

        And by the way, good hearted-people do not slaughter helpless animals for fun.

      • Drangi

        No mate, truth hurts thats why you cant come with a good come back.

        Have you ever thought that the Faroese people do not want economic and industrialized protectorate of European power help form anyone? They just want to hunt some whales?

        And yes, they are good hearted people even they hunt for whale. They have a kind heart and are honorable people.

      • AnimuX

        Thank you for conceding that the Faroe Islands has absolutely no nutritional or economic requirement for whale meat.

        Their sick “desire” to slaughter entire pods of pilot whales by hand is not the desire of good hearted people.

      • Drangi

        Are you then saying that Memorial Day in the US is a festival for bad hearted people?

        Those who have sick desire to slaughter human beings? How man present of Americans was with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. How many of you cheered Vietnam and nuking of Japan? What sick minded people said it was karma for Pearl Harbor what happened in Japan? And you dear to say that Faroese people are sick minded. You are just a sick twisted hillbilly that have never seen the ocean. Probably living in some trailer park in Alabama, drive a truck and one of the few that know there is a world out there and because your country is so fucked up that you close your eyes and aim to harm good hearted people of this planet to put the pain away from your back yard.

      • AnimuX

        Unfortunately, pro-whaling antagonists continue to grasp at comments completely unrelated to the subject at hand, which is the sick-minded ritual slaughter of pilot whales for pleasure by the people of the Faroe Islands.

        Memorial Day in the USA is a day for remembering and honoring the fallen servicemen and women who were killed in war. It is not for celebrating the destruction of our enemies.

        Memorial Day was first established to honor the Union and Confederate soldiers killed in the U.S. Civil War and was later extended after WWI to honor Americans killed in all wars.

        It is true that some people have incorrectly suggested Japan was struck by natural disaster as punishment for its cruel whaling industry. However, reasonable people understand it is all merely the result of Japan’s geographic location on the “Ring of Fire” where earthquakes are common.

      • Drangi

        So you are saying that you are honoring and remembering the fallen soldiers that slaughtered people in the name of your country? Because you say “and was later extended after WWI to honor Americans killed in all wars” So you are honoring the soldiers that died in Iraq, Vietnam ect. While you call Faroese sick minded people for doing what is called the gift of god? The gift of god is food…

        You have to admit you can’t call other people sick minded you can’t afford it. USA is doing more harm than good for the planet in all forms. Both environmental, physical and the ignoring state of mind to think they can rule the world. Face it you have more problems in USA then Faroese will ever experience. So you should look to them for advices not go to war with unarmed and good hearted people.

      • AnimuX

        Once again, you continue to attempt to skew the topic to a completely unrelated subject. This is not about Memorial Day or the horrors of war.

        This is, in fact, about the horrors of the slaughter of entire pods of pilot whales, defenseless animals, at the hands of sick-minded Faroese people who brutally destroy these cetaceans…

        - not for food, as it has already been established that there is NO nutritional dependence on pilot whales in the Faroes –

        …but for nothing more than the pleasure of killing.

      • Drangi

        No I just don’t want you to call them sick minded and put you on a high horse. You can’t afford it. You praise your killers every year and call them heroes while they are killing defenseless human beings.

        You are against the slaughter aren’t you? Just the slaughter of whales not of human beings? They don’t mean anything to you?

      • AnimuX

        Once again, this article/discussion/topic has nothing to do with “war”.

        Please stick to the subject instead of constantly attempting to divert the debate to completely unrelated topics.

        It is not unreasonable to consider people who kill masses of defenseless animals for pleasure to be “sick-minded”.

        Of course, there is an unfortunately real consequence of consuming pilot whale meat due to the mercury and PCB contaminants identified by Faroese doctors. The people will develop neurological diseases as a consequence of the negative effects of long term exposure to mercury and other pollutants.

        Some of the damage has been revealed by the research of Faroese doctors who advised people that it is not safe to consume meat and blubber from the grind.

        Sick-minded for taking pleasure in killing masses of defenseless pilot whales.

        Sick-minded after the toxic effects of eating the pilot whales.

      • Drangi

        I think it’s ok to go a little bit off topic when you accuse others to be sick minded murderers. Then you need to look into your own heart and see what happens when others accuse you of being sick minded murderer.

        I don’t think you have the well being of Faroese in mind when you talk about the mercury level. That’s what is printed in your brain washed mind by Sea Sheppard. Don’t forget many Faroese people don’t mind the mercury level and will still eat it as its free food.

        Sick minded people with polluted mind are more dangerous than the Faroese people. I think there are more Mexican people killed in the USA just for being Mexicans then the pilot whales a year.

      • AnimuX

        The topic is the bloody slaughter of pilot whales by people from the Faroe islands and not any other subject.

        You may be offended by my statements. However, that does not change the fact that people who take pleasure in slaughtering masses of defenseless animals are most certainly “sick minded”.

      • Lemonz

        AnimuX, you fail to recognize, that even if the Faroese people are relatively wealthy compared to the rest of the world, they still don’t have a living standard compared to mainland Europe. The Faroese still have a $650 million loan to pay to Denmark, and it’s THE most expensive country in the world when adjusted for average disposable income. It’s 51% more expensive on average to buy daily necessities than in Denmark, and Denmark has been ranked as the most expensive country in the world to live in. There is a sales tax of 25% on ALL sold goods and services, and average income tax is around 61% – the highest in the world.
        1 gallon of milk costs $9 (as does gas for the car), a pound of any meat costs around $12 to $15 on the low end to a high of $25. You can expect to pay $1 for an apple and $10 for a water mellon, and pay $5 for a pound of carrots. On top of that is an added sugar tax for all sweet things, like candy, cakes and soda (even light soda), that amounts to around 5 or 6%.

        Even if you say the Faroese only eat 7 grams of whale a day, it still amounts to around 130 tons of whale meat a year that has to be imported from elsewhere if not gotten from whales. It is NOT DONE FOR FUN or to prove a point. Even if the Faroese wouldn’t die, if they stopped killing whales, they would feel the impact. Also, whale meat is stored, so people spread it out over the year, and much of it is hung up to dry, which usually takes 6 months or more, so the whales caught one year, might be eaten the next year.

        You also say it’s ok for inuits in the US to kill whales that are endangered, just because they are inuits and live in a barren landscape, when they live in one of the wealthiest countries in the world, while you in the same sentence say the Faroese are sick minded for killing whales, is just appallingly ingnorant. The US could just pay the inuits with social benefits and they wouldn’t have to kill endangered whales, while the Faroese don’t kill endangered whales. If you hadn’t noticed, the Faroe Islands are barren as well. There is NO natural fauna except for a few imported rabbits, mice and rats, and there are no trees and no plants to eat other than kelp. If they want goods, they have to pay for shipping and when the goods arrive they have to pay an import tax, ranging from 5% to 9%.

        People have adapted to use the oceans for their sustenance where the land has “failed” them. People kill whales because it’s a large amount of meat for free. Also, there are no obvious affects of eating whale meat. The effects that were detected, were found with a 20 year study and compared to other populations that don’t eat whale. The effects are minute. People have eaten whales on the Faroe Islands for over 1000 years, and there are no reported obvious effects through all that time. The effects have only come to light with large statistical analyses that have show a slight increase in Parkinson’s Disease rate, a slight lower IQ and reaction time, and some other neurological problems. There are much larger problems by just being Faroese than eating whale meat, due to a low genetic variability, leading to many rare genetic diseases becoming commonplace. One such disease is CTD which is deadly without treatment, and appears in around 1 in 500, and type 1 diabetes.

        Please learn something about the social situation before condemning an entire people for something you obviously don’t understand anything about.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamie-McCroskey/100001196054130 Jamie McCroskey

      The sscs has been arrested in the Faroes before and they can get arrested again just as easy but it might not be as entertaining this time? The Faroes will benefit from the bail and fines paid, again. They are ready for them this time. Get your cameras ready !!
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0N3HoeSoeo

      • boo radley

        Nice try “Jamie” but your lack of friends and anything else of note on your facebook page just spells TROLL in capital letters.

        Yet another romi-clone?

      • Danish whaledefender

        HEY Mccroch you lowlife troll why don’t you crawl back under your rock and kiss your masters * some more and say hi to your lowlife unintelligent gang of prowhalers and racists (wack-jack,lucy flywheel,jujubean scaglione and the rest of the nobrains)and about the arrest in the past we have learned from the mistakes and are more prepared and smart this time !!!

    • Michael Raymer

      It’s a constant source of amusement to me that the pro-whalers can only post vids and links from 20-30 years ago. Why? Because anything from anytime recently would show the complete effectiveness of SSCS strategy and tactics.

      Here, as an act of charity (and charity is what you people desparately need right now), I’ll go ahead and save you the trouble:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_gTBDFTXE0

      There you go. Feel better now? Sleep tight babies.

      • romika3

        “It’s a constant source of amusement to me that the pro-whalers can only post vids and links from 20-30 years ago.” Well, well, a quick inspection of SSCS, PETA and the HSUS web sites will show that the majority of thier images (video and photo) is more than 25 years old. Even thier messaging is dated. So don’t tell me you are amused.

    • Anok4UK

      Sea Shepherd ARE on the way to the Med, and ARE conducting a second operation ‘Blue Rage’, in order to prevent the illegal fishing of criticaly endangered blue fin tuna! – So just goes to show you actualy know jack s**t romika3!!!.

      • imforthewhales

        I’m almost finished writing my book…titled “What romika3 knows & understands’.

        Unlike Ronmika3, it is not very thick.

      • romika3

        I expect that they will not showup in the Med this sping as last years foolishness generated little economic retune for the SSCS

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamie-McCroskey/100001196054130 Jamie McCroskey

    Why does that man lie, better yet why does anyone believe him?
    Wrong Ocean, Wrong Convention
    Watson claims that the Faroese pilot whale hunt “is unlawful under the Bonn Convention protecting small cetaceans and under the Berne Convention for humane treatment of animals.” However, the follow-up agreement under the Bonn Convention on small cetaceans (ASCOBANS) only covers the North Sea and the Baltic Sea, while the Faroe Islands are firmly placed in the Atlantic.
    The Berne Convention, meanwhile, does not apply to the Faroe Islands, or to Greenland, due to a Danish reservation. But even if it did, there is no interpretation of the Convention that could mean it banned pilot whaling.
    Challenged on these points in a recent debate on the website of the High North Alliance,(2)Watson was unable to produce any evidence that the pilot whale hunt is illegal under any international agreement. He then scuttled the legal debate by saying he would “have a lawyer prepare a brief”. Still waiting……
    In the same debate, he also stated that killer whales are killed in the Faroes along with pilot whales. That is not correct. But then are we really surprised?
    http://www.highnorth.no/news/nedit.asp?which=250

    • Lolz

      Man, why do you have to BITCH soooooooooooooooooooo much. Every chance you see “oh, watson said something, let me ride my period and bitch about it”. Get a life and stop spending you’re time bitching about ONE person, honestly. I don’t even need to address all the nonsense you’ve scavenged because it is just that, nonsense and not worth the time addressing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamie-McCroskey/100001196054130 Jamie McCroskey

        nonsence you can’t disprove because it’s true. A simple Google search would prove my facts correct. I share facts unlike your nasty comments. I think the “B” word suits you better. If you don’t want me to point out watson’s lies, tell him to stop lying, seems simple enough.

      • romika3

        Lotz; The truth hurts, but the SSCS supporters are trained to lie and distort data.

      • Edward W.

        The article quotes Watson as saying, “The killing is a violation of the Berne Convention and Denmark needs to be brought to task. If the Faeroese are going to enjoy the benefits of the European Union, they need to abide by the laws of the European Union.”

        Watson is misinformed on this point and poster McCroskey is correct that the Bern Convention does not apply to either Greenland or the Faroe Islands. It is not picking on Watson to point out his ignorance of the very conservation law under which he seeks to cloak his campaigns. If he could be bothered to actually read the Convention, he would find that Article 21 (1) states, “Any State may, at the time of signature or when depositing its instrument of ratification, acceptance, approval or accession, specify the territory or territories to which this Convention shall apply.
        http://conventions.coe.int/treaty/en/Treaties/Html/104.htm

        Denmark ratified the Convention in 1982 and their instrument of ratification contains the following:
        “Declaration contained in the instrument of ratification, deposited on 8 September 1982 – Or. Fr.

        The Convention does not apply to Greenland and the Faroe Islands.
        Period covered: 1/1/1983 –
        The preceding statement concerns Article(s) : 21
        http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Commun/ListeDeclarations.asp?NT=104&CM=1&DF=13%2F11%2F2010&CL=ENG&VL=1

        Perhaps before you accuse another poster of riding the cotton pony, you could check the facts yourself. I found your personal attack on the poster distatseful and uncalled for. Watson sets himself up for whatever he gets by making false statements that are easily disproven.

      • Michael Raymer

        “Lotz; The truth hurts, but the SSCS supporters are trained to lie and distort data.”

        This coming from a proven and consistent liar himself. Takes one to know one, I guess.

      • boo radley

        Getting your head sliced off whilst still alive is the reason I am for stopping the barbaric practices employed in the Faeroes.

        Hands up anyone here who would want to sawp places with a whale in the Faeroes.

    • Bobby

      “We challenge the Danish Navy to stop us,” he said, ” because if they intervene to stop us from enforcing the Berne Convention, we will be able to accuse Denmark of failing to uphold European law.”

      The law Watson refers to is the Convention on the Conservation of European Wildlife and Natural Habitats, in force since 1982. But it does not apply to the Faroes, as even though they are part of the Danish realm, they are not part of the European Union and thus unaccountable to its laws. Kate Sanderson, the spokeswoman on whaling for the government of the Faroe Islands, explains.

      “After so many years of following Faroese whaling, it seems Paul Watson is still no better informed about the status of the Faroes in relation to Denmark and the EU,” she told New Matilda. “The Faroe Islands have a high degree of autonomy in the Kingdom of Denmark under the Home Rule Act of 1948 and in accordance with subsequent legislation from 2005 based on an agreement with Denmark, which provides the Faroes with the competence to enter into international agreements in all areas for which they have exclusive competence.” Such areas of exclusive competence include conservation and management of living marine resources.

      For its part, the Danish government has refused to intervene in the whaling practices of its Atlantic territory. And even if Denmark was accountable to the Convention over Faroese whaling, the case would be weak. For while Appendix II of the Convention does list long-finned pilot whales among the species of particular conservation importance, Article 2 states that contracting parties shall observe the convention to a level which corresponds to ecological, scientific and cultural requirements, taking into account “economic and recreational requirements.”
      http://newmatilda.com/2010/11/15/new-front-whale-wars

      • romika3

        Watson only works in International Waters because it is safe and he is a wimp. I perdict that the SSCS will not last a week in the Faroe Islands.

      • Michael Raymer

        The sheer nonsense of this remark should be a warning to all about what mercury poisoning does to the brain. The Antarctic is safe? Swing and a miss.

        “I perdict that the SSCS will not last a week in the Faroe Islands.”

        I’ll be remembering your “perdiction” and shoving it down your throat real soon.

      • imforthewhales

        MR…could there possibly be any room left after Japan went down the gullet?

  • Devon

    I’m not really sure why anyone is taking the SSCS so seriously. They spend more time talking that actually doing anything.

    Paul Watson’s hatred of people appears to be more important then his
    causes.

    • boo radley

      Devon, please refer to this years Japanese whale hunt in the Antarctic before spreading your complete lack of awareness.

  • Michael Raymer

    And so it begins, again. No, not SSCS but all the little people and their incessant crying about someone else doing the right thing. It really is fascinating to me. The “Information Super-Highway” has been around for more than a generation, so I must ask: Where are all the smart people at?

    Devon, you’re a prime example. What rock have you been living under? Who is taking SSCS seriously? The Japanese, for one. Their whalers just got an ass-kicking of biblical proportions, all from SSCS. Put down the crayons and check the news once in a while and this wouldn’t have to be explained for you.

    “Paul Watson’s hatred of people appears to be more important then his
    causes.”

    Don’t leave us hanging, son. Would you like to explain that little quip, or do you just want to sit there and froth at the mouth. SSCS do what they do for the benefit of man. Again, apparently you had somewhere else to be, all the dozens of times that this has been explained.

    • romika3

      ““Paul Watson’s hatred of people appears to be more important then his causes.”

      Neither fame nor fortune is really Watson’s primary motivation. He’s a misanthrope who prefers porpoises to people. “I couldn’t understand her compassion for humanity,” he says of an old girlfriend. “She chose people and I chose the Earth, and thus we began to drift apart.” He likes to accuse those who care about people of being “anthropocentric.” And he constantly refers to humans as mere apes.

      • boo radley

        I would certainly take a room full of dolphins over a room full of romi-devons..in fact I would rather take a room full of head lice…so have to agree with Paul Watson and romi’s summation.

        Its amazing really, the resilience these pro-whalers show. After being taken to the cleaners this year, they still have the gall to poke their head through the door…really astounding!

    • romika3

      “Their whalers just got an ass-kicking of biblical proportions, all from SSCS” really, the harvest was suspended due to work place safety issues.

    • romika3

      “Don’t leave us hanging, son. Would you like to explain that little quip, or do you just want to sit there and froth at the mouth. SSCS do what they do for the benefit of man. Again, apparently you had somewhere else to be, all the dozens of times that this has been explained.” For those of you who are new to this forum the above the a typical response from those employed by the SSCS.

      • Michael Raymer

        Yes, this is a typical response from SSCS supporters. If you make a BS allegation, we will demand proof. Proof that, too often, never comes.

    • Michael Raymer

      The slaughter was suspended because SSCS did exactly what they said they were going to do: Shut down Antarctic whaling. Rationalize and pout all you want.

      Your feeble argument that SSCS is only in it for the money has been proven completely wrong. If SSCS was only trying to solicit donations, they would not have tried to be as effective as they so obviously are. Instead, they consciously shut down what could have been an ongoing revenue source. Keep singing romika, one day you’ll find the ball (although I doubt it).

      • romika3

        Funny I can’t find anything at the policy level either in Japan or in the IWC that states that whaling in Japan has ended. According to the ICR they state it was a workplace safety issue. We know that whatever the SSCS and Paul Watson state are lies. Watson says it himself in his authored text ‘Earthforce’ and addition it has been proven may times that Watson and his organization uses lies and distorts data to acheived their goals. Also all of those making these statements are employed by SSCS on a stipend bases or directly working out of one of his “offices” that are used to funnel donations towards his retirement funds. (see a previous thread for this informatioin)

      • Michael Raymer

        Well, we know that whatever you post are lies and distortions. This post is the perfect example of your deceit. Provide proof of your claims.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kyle-Russell/1646163362 Kyle Russell

    @romika3 sea shepherd will be in the med this summer looking after the tuna then they will be going to the Faeroe Islands and if whale has the is there primary source of protein why were they throwing it a way in a cave

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kyle-Russell/1646163362 Kyle Russell

      I mean cove not cave

    • romika3

      “why were they throwing it a way in a cove”

      Reference please

      • boo radley

        I read an account of something along those lines..whale bodies being dumped in a cove somewhere.

        It seems like they just enjoy the killing.

      • romika3

        “I read an account of something along those lines” Sorry, but something along those lines doesn’t cut the cheese.

      • imforthewhales

        I read something similar here…

        http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/editorial-100913-1.html

        Looks to be very wasteful and makes one wonder why these whales are bing killed at all?

    • jan a faroman

      we only trov avay the bones and guts no meat goes to whaist all is devidet to the peple

  • Fingering

    HaHaha – They go to the Faroes becausre they are to scared to come back to Iceland! I tell Animux many times – Sea Shepherd will never come back to Iceland and his boycotts will never work, but he is to stupid to understand! Fishing is to powerful a business in Europe – good luck, Animux! We argued before but he ran away like a little girl when I showed him facts. Faroes will figght back too – wait and see!

    • Michael Raymer

      Well, I think I know Animux well enough to know that he never “ran away” from any of you pro-whalers. It’s probably more a case that he tired of waging a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

      “They go to the Faroes becausre they are to scared to come back to Iceland!”

      Yeah right, Iceland being the superpower that it is.

      “Fishing is to powerful a business in Europe”

      Unlike Japan where it’s just a hobby, right? And whaling is not fishing.

      ” Faroes will figght back too – wait and see!”

      Oh yes, we will see. We will most definitely see.

    • AnimuX

      Everybody who reads Fingering’s post should immediately go to the WDCS website and learn about how to help stop Iceland’s whaling industry from killing more endangered Fin whales.

      http://www.wdcs.org/stop/killing_trade/index.php

      Hvalur (the Icelandic company that kills endangered Fin whales) uses HB Grandi facilities to process fin whale products, and the two share information on the location of fish. More than half of HB Grandi fish exports go directly to the UK and the rest of Europe. In the UK, much of that fish goes through one of the biggest wholesalers to the fish and chip trade – Warners Fish Merchants.

      BOYCOTT Warners. BOYCOTT HB Grandi and any other company that sells their products!

      YOU CAN HELP!

    • Fingering2

      Þú ert ekki Íslendingur! ekki séns!

      Well fingering, funny, You are not an Icelander so i would like you to stop this nonsense right now. You are taking my name from another forum to reply to Animux who is talking to me on another forum. So stop it and come clean you are not an Icelander so you have no right answering or put nonsense about that country.

      • imforthewhales

        Ah, fingering 2, now you can see how the pro-whaling trolls operate! They are sneaky, sly, underhanded and not to be trusted under any circumstances!

  • romika3

    Folks, face it SSCS visit to the islands is all about making money and making TV. The SSCS is not a conservation organization. Its is an eco-terrorist organization. The following quoted from a SSCS deckhand supports the above statment.

    “Yesterday I did not know what an eco-terrorist was. Now it appears that I am one?”

    - Sea Shepherd Deckhand Amanda Caldwell, 20, Atlanta, Georgia

    Source: SSCS web page.

    • Michael Raymer

      Folks, face it. Romikas presence here is all about telling bald-faced lies, slandering others and trolling on behalf of savages and butchers. He fronts an Eco-Nazi organization (the Canadian seal hunt). He has personally and directly lied about me, and about many, if not all others who disagree with his obsolete notions.

      • boo radley

        Nice summation there MR.

        Romi and his pals are now desperate for some of the mud to stick.

      • romika3

        Fishermen are not Nazi’s, you post doesn’t address my post that reflects a quote from a member of the SSCS’s crew, and yes, you do work for the SSCS on a stipend.

      • AnimuX

        People who bash in the skulls of baby seals for the fashion industry are not fishermen.

      • romika3

        Yes they are. The seal hunt is part of the annual fishing cycle that includes seals, lobster, carb, turbot and perhaps as small quota of cod. Also regarding bashing, seals are now shot, it is safer and cleaner. You are still working hard to keep those old ‘myths’ alive. Seals provice fur, oils, and protien to fishermen and to the market.

      • romika3

        “Folks, face it. Romikas presence here is all about telling bald-faced lies, slandering others and trolling on behalf of savages and butchers. He fronts an Eco-Nazi organization (the Canadian seal hunt). He has personally and directly lied about me, and about many, if not all others who disagree with his obsolete notions.”

        Folks, it seems that this post, based on the writing style, was written by Paul Watson himself. He may be supplying many of the generic responses that we see on this thread, or perhaps he is logging in using member’s names.

      • Michael Raymer

        “Fishermen are not Nazi’s, you post doesn’t address my post that reflects a quote from a member of the SSCS’s crew, and yes, you do work for the SSCS on a stipend.”

        I wasn’t talking about fishermen, I was talking about the Eco-Nazis you represent. They are not fishermen and shouldn’t be dignified with that title.

        And no, as I keep saying, I don’t receive anything at all for my posts or my views. You are indeed a liar and a troll….and an Eco-Nazi yourself. You said in an earlier post that you have proof of my employment. Show this proof, liar.

        “Folks, it seems that this post, based on the writing style, was written by Paul Watson himself.”

        Thanx for the compliment. Hopefully Paul reads this. Hey Admiral! Romika says I write like you! Or, more to the point, you write like me. :)

        “He may be supplying many of the generic responses that we see on this thread, or perhaps he is logging in using member’s names.”

        No, no, no. Stealing the identity of others is purely a pro-whalers tactic. Remember the “Susan Weingartner” fiasco? Classic pro-whaling lies and deception.

      • AnimuX

        People like romika, who bash in the skulls of baby seals for the fashion industry, are no different than people who crush puppies and kittens to death for fun and profit. In other words, they are not fishermen. They’re sick.

      • romika3

        “People like romika, who bash in the skulls of baby seals for the fashion industry, are no different than people who crush puppies and kittens to death for fun and profit. In other words, they are not fishermen. They’re sick.”

        Is this the best you can do?? A post with no substance, only name calling, threats etc. This is no didn’t than what a three year old would write if they didn’t get their way.

      • romika3

        “And no, as I keep saying, I don’t receive anything at all for my posts or my views. You are indeed a liar and a troll….and an Eco-Nazi yourself. You said in an earlier post that you have proof of my employment. Show this proof, liar.” I have an e-mail from Scott Sheckman(LA office of the SSCS) or someone in that office representing him that SSCS volunteers are recruited to respond to online forums, I will dig it up and post it if you like. How did I come upon it you might ask, simple I offered my services.

      • romika3

        I forgot to add that some of the SSCS staff are not the brightest lightbulbs in the room.

      • Michael Raymer

        I said that I wanted you to provide the proof that you said you have that I am paid by SSCS. Even your mercury-riddled brain should still be able to comprehend basic english. Months ago you said you have this proof, yet you haven’t shown it. Why? Because you are lying and you know that you are lying. I have never received compensation from SSCS (although I would be glad too.)

        One other thing, genius: SSCS offices are in Friday Harbor, WA. And there is no “Scott Sheckman” or any LA office listed on their website.

        “I forgot to add that some of the SSCS staff are not the brightest lightbulbs in the room.”

        Means alot coming from you. If you were a lightbulb, you’d be in the trashcan by the curb a long time ago.

      • AnimuX

        I find it amusing that an anti-environmentalist antagonist, whose sole purpose here is to demonize activists like Paul Watson and members of Sea Shepherd, gripes when his trade is accurately described as a brutal and completely unnecessary industry carried out by the sort of sick individuals who are entertained by killing defenseless baby animals.

        Much like the people of the Faroe Islands who kill pilot whales for no reason other than pleasure (in other words, the “tradition” continues because they love to do it, not because they have to do it), romika continues to defend the senseless slaughter of pilot whales and the cruel beating deaths of baby seals. When he’s not busy defending his useless, bloody livelihood he’s busy attacking those who protest, publicly object, and take action against the seal hunt.

        In other words, romika continues to attack Sea Shepherd because he has been the subject of Sea Shepherd protest in the past. ;-)

      • imforthewhales

        I find it amusing that romika3 has offered his troll services to SSCS.

        Either he was being deceptive to SSCS when applying for this fictional post, or he is a cash for commenting troll who hopes merely to adjust adjust his viewpoint in tandem with the mount of dollars per word.

      • km

        Michael – I live in LA and there’s an LA office. It’s relatively new but it’s in Venice and there’s a Scott Scheckman who is somehow related to the organization. I’ve met him at various events. He works with or used to work with a dude named Kurt who does some great work here. I’m not sure what his role now is with SSCS but you can also Google his name and Sea Shepherd and see that he’s related to SSCS. SSCS has had operations in LA for a long time. they just didn’t have a permanent physical office until last year.

        I’m not addressing anything else but did want to point that out.

    • amanda

      romika3, please don’t use my quote…ever again. Sea Shepherd is an amazing organization doing wonderful things for our oceans. You have taken the quote out of context, perhaps you should try reading the entire article….

      -Amanda C

  • Fingering

    Yes, Animux – tell all people in UK to stop eating fish and chips – like that is EVER going to work – you are a fool – your boycott will never work. In Iceland, we are not ruled by Sea Shepherd like Japan is. We will fight back – you will see. faroes will fight back – Sea Sheperd will run away again, just like Animux. I challenge you AGAIN to come to Iceland to protest, but you are too scared to – act like a little girl! Eat the fish and enjoy – ignore Animuxs little try at boycott. Hahahaa.

    • AnimuX

      Everybody who reads Fingering’s post should immediately go to the WDCS website and learn about how to help stop Iceland’s whaling industry from killing more endangered Fin whales.

      http://www.wdcs.org/stop/killing_trade/index.php

      Hvalur (the Icelandic company that kills endangered Fin whales) uses HB Grandi facilities to process fin whale products, and the two share information on the location of fish. More than half of HB Grandi fish exports go directly to the UK and the rest of Europe. In the UK, much of that fish goes through one of the biggest wholesalers to the fish and chip trade – Warners Fish Merchants.

      BOYCOTT Warners. BOYCOTT HB Grandi and any other company that sells their products!

      YOU CAN HELP!

  • Sam

    The Bern Convention does not apply to the Faroe Island, PLAN AND SIMPLE. Watson is a liar and a fraud. DONATE NOW!!!

    http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Commun/ListeDeclarations.asp?NT=104&CM=8&DF=23/03/2010&CL=ENG&VL=1

    • Michael Raymer

      For a liar and a fraud, he did a great job at issuing the Antarctic whalers an ass-kicking of biblical proportions.

    • AnimuX

      It applies to Denmark (which represents the Faroe Islands) and other EU members.

      If the Faroes can enjoy inclusion in the EU then the Faroes MUST adhere to EU prohibition of killing whales and dolphins!

      Don’t just sanction them over mackerel! Sanction them over whaling!

      • Edward W

        Nonsense. What you think the Bern Convention OUGHT to apply to, and what it DOES apply to, are two entirely different things. The convention explicitly makes provisions for ratifying member countries to exclude territories that they designate when they submit their ratification instruments. These treaties and conventions are not the rigid instruments of law that you seem to think they are. Denmark and the Faroe Islands are acting within their rights under the terms of Bern.

        Article 21 (1) states, “Any State may, at the time of signature or when depositing its instrument of ratification, acceptance, approval or accession, specify the territory or territories to which this Convention shall apply.
        http://conventions.coe.int/treaty/en/Treaties/Html/104.htm

        Denmark ratified the Convention in 1982 and their instrument of ratification contains the following:
        “Declaration contained in the instrument of ratification, deposited on 8 September 1982 – Or. Fr.
        The Convention does not apply to Greenland and the Faroe Islands.
        Period covered: 1/1/1983 –
        The preceding statement concerns Article(s) : 21
        http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Commun/ListeDeclarations.asp?NT=104&CM=1&DF=13%2F11%2F2010&CL=ENG&VL=1

        Nearly all conservation law treaties contain such provisions for exceptions and reservations. It is not such a difficult concept to understand. Mr. Watson does this issue a disservice when he insists upon characterizing it in terms of a violation of a convention when it is nothing of the sort.

    • David

      Thanks for the information Sam, but the SSCS supporters will never admit to the truth.

      They like to point to various treaties they claim give them the right/authority to do what they do, usually through their misreading of what it really says. But they will refuse to believe the actually words of those treaties that allow signatories to file objections that exempt them from some provision.

      • boo radley

        The truth is that the Faeroes “fishermen” slaughter living animals alive by slicing them up & sawing through their heads whilst they thrash about in great pain. Could there possibly be a worse way to be killed? This is not only inhuman but the actions of these people debase all humans.

        Its the 21st century…time to wake up folks!

      • romika3

        “The truth is that the Faeroes “fishermen” slaughter living animals alive by slicing them up & sawing through their heads whilst they thrash about in great pain.”

        Sorry Boo Dangle but this is not quite correct: Once ashore the pilot whale is killed by cutting the dorsal area through to the spinal cord with a special whaling knife, a grindaknívur. Given the circumstances during a pilot whale hunt, the whaling knife is considered the safest and most effective equipment with which to kill the whales. The length it takes for a whale to die varies between a few seconds to a few minutes, with the average time being 30 seconds.[7]

      • AnimuX

        The pilot whales are spotted by fishing boats, driven into the shoreline with a “wall of sound” by banging metal poles in the water to frighten the animals. Once close enough the Faroese people, for no reason other than they consider it a “tradition”, rush into the water to kill the whales by hand.

        They plug hooks into the airways of the pilot whales with ropes attached and literally drag them by the blow hole to the shore. Then they begin cutting and hacking into the heads of the animals to cut the spine and kill them.

        It’s a bloody mess, the animals suffer under duress and it is not just “a few seconds or a few minutes” to kill them.

        The grind is completely unnecessary for food security or economic prosperity. Faroese doctors have warned people not to consume the meat due to toxic mercury and PCBs and other contamination.

        The only reason the cruel grind continues is to satisfy a sick obsession with killing animals by hand among the people of the Faroe Islands community.

      • romika3

        “The only reason the cruel grind continues is to satisfy a sick obsession with killing animals by hand among the people of the Faroe Islands community.”

        REFEREMCE PLEASE stating that this is a cult practice and/or an obsession. AnimuX, you post about us, your worse as you are brainwashed and totally disconnected from the reality of resource management, sustainabilty etc., Get off the internet, send back those SSCS tee shirts and tights, and get a life.

      • AnimuX

        It figures that the kind of demented people who bash in the skulls of baby seals for fun and profit will also defend the mass slaughter of entire pods of pilot whales by hand for nothing more than a sick “tradition”.

      • romika3

        “It figures that the kind of demented people who bash in the skulls of baby seals for fun and profit will also defend the mass slaughter of entire pods of pilot whales by hand for nothing more than a sick “tradition”.” is this the level of your reply, a reference was requested is this it? It is hollow there is nothing here.

      • Michael Raymer

        Start providing references and proof for your own BS then. You have not.

        You really have no leg to stand on when it comes to the level of other peoples replies.

      • romika3

        “Start providing references and proof for your own BS then. You have not.” Sorry crapapple, you work for SSCS perhaps references to support what you are doing might be better in this case

      • Michael Raymer

        Well, we have David the Coward, who went searching for an “Ignore” feature because he got tired of getting bounced around these threads like a tennis ball. We have romika the mercury-infected liar who posts nonsense and runs away. We have one or more Fingerings who carry on the pro-whaler tradition of identity theft. All we need now is Kimitake the Hysterical to come along and tell us that Japan is sending the Maritime Self-Defense Force to the Faeroe Islands.

        This is quite a proud band of social misfits we have here. With supporters like this, no wonder the primary view of a whaler is his stern as he runs away. It really is a stark comparison: SSCS stands firm, their supporters stand firm. Whalers are lying, deceitful cowards, their supporters are EXACTLY the same.

      • romika3

        “The truth is that the Faeroes “fishermen” slaughter living animals alive”

        Sorry Boo Dangle but all animals are slaughtered or harvested alive. Harveting dead animals does not make sense unless one is a scavanger.

      • Michael Raymer

        My point exactly. When asked for proof, romika runs away and tries to change the subject.

      • romika3

        It seems again, that supporters of the SSCS, paid SSCS posters are resorting to name calling, cat calling etc etc. A common trade mark of this and similar organizations, a red flag for those who are considering supporting the SSCS or purchasing one of thier tee shirts to wear at cocktail parties.

      • Michael Raymer

        “Sorry Boo Dangle but all animals are slaughtered…”

        ” Sorry crapapple, you work for SSCS…”

        ” putting the “a” back in a–hole.”

        All these are from romika, who doesn’t like name calling.

  • Drangi

    This is shit. Watson picking on the small like always. Why dont you go to Canada where you are from and stop the seal hunt? Because you are a coward. Nothing more then a lame ass coward. Money stealing organization and terrorist group.

    • romika3

      Agreed

      • imforthewhales

        Sea Shepherd goes to Antarctica to tackle whale poachers.

        “Ooh where is Sea Shepherd” the pro-whalers cry.

        “What about the tuna”?

        Sea Shepherd take on tuna poachers in the med.

        “ooohhh Sea Shepherd, Sea Shepherd, where for art thou Sea shepherd” the whalers lament.

        “You should be in the Faeroes”.

        sea Shepherd plan their mission and begin to work out a strategy for the Faeroe Islands.

        “Ooooh Sea Shepherd, Sea Shepherd, you should go to ( insert name of country here)

        And round and round it goes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kyle-Russell/1646163362 Kyle Russell

    @romika3 there you go dead pilot whales dumped in a cove so I think that proves they are not just doing it for food
    http://www.stop-the-grind.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26&Itemid=16

    • romika3

      Sorry, but I can’t find the images.

      • romika3

        Yes I found them. It clearly looks like the heads of harvested whales and other waste, not full carcasses. This is perhaps the best way to dispose of them rather than a landfill. I am sure there might be a full carcass if one looked hard enough as sometimes during a harvest an animal might get away and die. The same happens in the seal hunt, moose and deer hunts, etc. The problem is that the SSCS and other organizations will work hard towards finding the one lost animal and milk the photos and video to death. That of course is propaganda. Simply these claims are basely unfounded. If the pilot whales provide 30% of the islands protein, they why would a hunter deliberately send his hard work to the bottom? SSCS always works towards painting fishermen as demons and savages. That’s how they get little old ladies and uneducated youth to hand over their money.

      • imforthewhales

        I don’t think it would be too hard to paint the whale killers as saditstic predatory butchers…there are lots of stories out there on paper, on teh net, on film and TV that were not written by SSCS that show the sheer inhumanity of the grind.

        SSCS would prefer not to be getting any money from their hard working supporters, they are in the business of putting themselves out of business, just as they put themselves out of business in Antarctica.

  • romika3

    ““We will have crew on the beaches, on the water, under the water, and in the air,” said Captain Watson” really, who does he think he is Team America World Police, putting the “a” back in a–hole.

    • imforthewhales

      Or tearing new ones.

    • Drangi

      He looks like an albino Gorilla and last time he got an orgasm he was reading Moby Dick!

      • crumpets are yummy

        dranji, i have it on good authority that you look like a piece of ten week old roadkill and the last time you had an orgasm, you mother was getting your seal flipper pie out of the oven.

  • romika3

    Folks; In summary here we have another example of the SSCS going after a LEGAL and SUSTAINALBE harvest were the meat is used to contribute to 30% of the islands protein needs. The population of minke whales here are healthy and nowhere near at risk or endangered. Yes, like most species at the top of the food chain there are issues with heavy metals etc. These are the same as those encountered in the recreational fishery. Monderate consumption is recommended. Watson’s interest is merely in the media and money making potential rather than any conservation issues. In fact there are no conservation issues associated with the species or the harvest. The harvest is managed, monitored and there is a quota. In addition their is no export of whale meat. One really has to begin to question the motives and the man. Recent posts in the media are now pointing to the fact that Watson is attibuting the “gods” for the trouble in Japan. A pathetic man indeed.

    • Michael Raymer

      “The population of minke whales here are healthy and nowhere near at risk or endangered.”

      The discussion is about Pilot whales, not Minke whales. How’s that mercury level doing buddy? I’m beginning to worry about you.

      ” Watson’s interest is merely in the media and money making potential rather than any conservation issues.”

      When did the Faeroe Islands become a “money making” issue? The vast majority of anyone, anywhere couldn’t find the place on a map.

      “In fact there are no conservation issues associated with the species or the harvest.”

      I couldn’t care less if there is (this will be the part that you quote in your follow-up. Your welcome. Anything I can do to help the handicapped.) The issue here is a cruel, inhumane and completely unnecessary industry that serves no one. Tell me romika, why are you so eager to kill everything in sight?

      “Recent posts in the media are now pointing to the fact that Watson is attibuting the “gods” for the trouble in Japan.”

      What recent reports? Once again, you make an accusation that only exists in your mind, and you offer it without proof or links.

      • romika3

        Sorry, That should be pilot whales, The issue with the organiztion “using” non issues for reasons other than conservation. What recent reports, try googling “Paul Waston comments on Japan”. Perhaps you should give up hunting!!

  • Fingering

    When the stupid Sea Shepherd gets back to the Faroes, they will be arrested or chased away, just like they were in Iceland – thats why thy don’t come vack. No one but Iceland tells Iceland what to do – thats what Faroes and Japan need to do, then Sea Shepherd and their followers will disappear!

    For example – I have asked Animux to come to Iceland to protest, but he was too scared and ran like a little girl. He just posts like a little dog barking away – not hrmful at all. He does the same thing everywheer he posts – just more garbage links.

    • Michael Raymer

      So which “Fingering” are you? Are you the real one or the fake one. It’s so hard to tell these days, without a scorecard.

      “He just posts like a little dog barking away – not hrmful at all.”

      On this, we agree. Animux causes absolutely no harm at all. We like that about him. In fact, more harm is probably being caused by your atroscious spelling than by the full body of Animux’s well researched, educational posts.

      BTW…I hate to break this to you….don’t take it too hard….but….the topic is the Faeroe Islands.

      • Fingering2

        This was the fake one!

        But its funny he is trying to make spelling errors hahaha like me :)

        I have never asked AnimuX to come to Iceland to protest but I have said it would be harder for SSCS to stop whaling in Iceland. Because Paul Watson has a status in Iceland called Persona Non Grate means not welcome and will be put in jail if he enter our 200 mile radius. Thats all i said it would be harder to try to stop whaling in Icelandic waters as the cost guard will fallow the SSCS ships.

        I dont know how it would be in Faroe but i would think the coast guard or the danish navy would do something as its (as i understand it) illigal to interfer with the grind. So if you try to stop it its illegal. I am not that much into Faroe so its best for people from that island to speak. If this would be about Icelandic whaling then i would post and talk but this is Faroe Islands and they have good people to speak about this.

  • Captain Paul Watson

    Some very amusing comments as usual but all this back and forth nonsense is really very irrelevant. Sea Shepherd will have our ships in the Med to tackle the Bluefin tuna poachers. We will then go to the Faeroe Islands to lay down an acoustical wall of sound to deflect the pilot whales away from the islands. We will be there doing what we do, no matter how many critics and nay-sayers comment on pages like this.

    I have to admit, I find it fascinating that some people spend so much energy researching Sea Shepherd and posting quotes out of context and accusing us of all sorts of unsubstantiated crimes.

    Bottom line – Since I founded Sea Shepherd we have not caused or sustained any injuries, we’ve never been convicted of a felony and we have never been sued in a civil court.

    As for being afraid of Iceland. Perhaps the trolls have forgotten that in 1986 we sank half the Icelandic whaling fleet and destroyed their processing plant and shut down their operations for 17 years. They were so guilty of illegal whaling they refused to charge us with any crimes in connection with that action despite the fact that I went to Iceland to demand that they arrest me. They didn’t arrest me, they told me to leave the country. Is that how Iceland deals with “criminals”? They tell them to go away.

    We have engaged the Faeroese before successfully, and we will do so again if need be.

    So while our critics prattle on in social network forums achieving who knows what outside of their little heads, we will be where we work best – on the sea and in the face of criminal killers.

    • romika3

      “As for being afraid of Iceland. Perhaps the trolls have forgotten that in 1986 we sank half the Icelandic whaling fleet ” then you admit that SSCS is a terroist organization, use terrorist methods and that the SSCS is not a conservation organization.

    • romika3

      ” posting quotes out of context and accusing us of all sorts of unsubstantiated crimes” funny, is’t that what you do???

    • Fingering2

      HAHA!

      I dont think you are Paul Watson but its funny because you say we are trolls but you are one big one because you dont know the histroy.

      Never convicted of a felony then in next you say we sank all the boats and Iceland is stupid not to deal with you as a criminal. haha

      We have old laws so we need to have prof to put people to jail and you said I did it then you came to Iceland. Well I have to put out what is written in Icelandic law books:

      1988: Paul Watson arrives in Iceland demanding to be held responsible for the sinking of the whaling vessels in Reykjavik in 1986. He is arrested and held for questioning. He realizes that he can risk facing several years imprisonment. In a press release from the Icelandic Ministry of Justice it says: “At questioning Paul Watson has admitted that he has given some remarks that connect him with the sabotage, but in spite of this he now claims that he neither took part in the planning nor the execution of the sabotage.” There was no evidence incriminating Watson. He was ordered to leave the country and declared persona non grata in Iceland

      So you lied? If you are an honorable man admitt to what you have done. Be a Man not a low life ratt that when it comes to you, you have to lie yourself out of trouble.

      • romika3

        Your are perhaps correct in saying thaa the above post is NOT Watson. If you check out his writing style on the SSCS web page under commentary you will see that Watson uses degrading and ranting language. Somewhat like four year old trying to justify that he wasn’t in the cookie jar. What indicates that it might be Watson is the mention that they have hurt or killed anybody, this is a trade mark comment in all his talks. I wonder why he alsays feels that he needs to make this comment. Intereting is’nt it. If one does reseach you will find that Watson’s hands are not clean.

      • deaves

        I have read the comments on this thread and think they people are swaying away from the issue. I am not a marine biologist of a fisherman but I do think that the pilot whale hunt in the faroes highlights a problem with fishing of most pelagic animals.
        I live in the UK and the same population of pilot whales that migrate past the faroes also spend a lot of time in UK waters where they are protected. As a result of the large geographical range of these animals they do not “belong” to one group of people of one area of there migration route. Therefore it is only right that any decision to hunt them should be make by all the countries whose waters they pass through on there migration route, and not just the faroese.

        The publicity of the pilot whale hunt is due to peoples affinity with whales and dolphins and the empathy many people feel when these creatures are been slaughtered. However I also think a similar issues exists with many sharks and fish and its time for people to stop been so protective and come up with some international collaboration that puts marine ecosystems and moral consensus of the relevant countries in to consideration.

      • Drangi

        @deaves

        If I come to UK I am under UK law right? If I go to the states I am under USA law right?

        Why dont you then Recognize Faroe Islands law? UK doesn’t want to hunt for pilot whales but they want to fish mackerel. Why do they want to put laws on Faroe Island that they can’t fish for mackerel even its in Faroese Ocean?

        Just admit it the big and the brave if they don’t have it like they want they start to cry. Has been like that for many years and will continue to be like that. The ironic thing is when they are too busy killing people of the world they leave the little countries alone.

      • David

        @deaves

        I understand what you are saying about migratory species. But despite what you think is fair, the UN has said that each country can make their own laws for when the animals are in their jurisdiction, although they do encourage countries to work together and develop consistent regulations.

        The same type issues happen at many levels. For example hunting is not allowed in most US National Parks but if a deer, for example, leaves the park during hunting season it is legal to shoot it.

    • km

      When and how did you engage them successfully? Why did you stop engaging them?

      & I would think that the “need be” is strange. They are still killing the whales so what’s the point in saying “need be”? Also, the story you are commenting on states that you are going there so is that not true anymore?

      Finally, your crew has sustained injuries. It’s documented. It’s fine and understandable but I don’t quite get why you insist on claiming otherwise. I would call that lying.

      I won’t go into the rest.

  • Tony Fomison

    Become informed:
    To get an in-depth analysis of Faroese whaling; including past anti-whaling campaigns read the recently published book, A Thousand Years of Whaling – A Faroese Common Property Regime available from Canadian Circumpolar Institute Press http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/cci//pdf/Kerins-AThousandYearsOfWhaling.pdf

  • deaves

    The problem I approached I guess is a lot bigger than the Faroe islands, and the pilot whale hunt. Drangi the difference between you and I traveling and respecting countries laws, and the whales is that we can choose to not go to a country if we have an issue with there laws. The route of these whales is dictated by food and currents etc and they just so happen to unknowingly pass from one nation to the other so they can not make a decision like us.

    The UN resolution works on paper but when entire communities, or in the case of Iceland and the Faroes significant amounts of entire economies are based of fishing then there is a huge vested interest by those nations to make a bias decision, and there for induce conflict with other nations. The UK has been as bad and narrow minded as any other country on this(cod wars come to mind). I am not sure sea shepherd bombarding in is the answer, but I do think this situation highlights some large international social differences that need to be resolved by a compromise between the connected nations. Not one nation dictating to the other causing the US and THEM situation we have now.

    • David

      And what kind of compromise could they come to?

      Either they keep hunting pilot whales or they stop hunting pilot whales. There isn’t any middle ground to compromise to is there?

      “there is a huge vested interest by those nations to make a bias decision”

      Of course there is. Every country has their own interests in mind. It is kind of why countries formed in the first place.

  • Mick

    @deaves

    “but I do think this situation highlights some large international social differences that need to be resolved by a compromise between the connected nations. Not one nation dictating to the other causing the US and THEM situation we have now.”

    I agree that some honest compromise amongst the nations concerned would easily solve most problems. Unfortunately, countries, organizations and groups who are opposed to the hunting of whales and dolphins have no interest in and are totally opposed to compromise of any kind. They steadfastly and unreasonably refuse to respect or even acknowledge other peoples rights or views. They childishly insist on having their way and refuse any reasonable compromise.

  • Pia Johansen

    No matter what PLEASE stop killing the whales…..

  • ednakano

    Sea shepherd wish death of people because they want reduce human population(Except themselves). Paul Watson never help himan in disasters and celeblate peoples are dying. He left ungraceful commnet for Harricane Calorina, Death of fishemen by SSCS violence activity and Japan earthquake.

    • AnimuX

      In its 30 year history Sea Shepherd has never killed or threatened to kill anybody.

      Unfortunately, pro-whaling antagonists continue to make false accusations and gross exaggerations in order to demonize anti-whaling activists.

      • Drangi

        Paul Watson Quotes:

        “There’s nothing wrong with being a terrorist as long as you win.”

        - Paul Watson, Animal Rights 2002 Convention, June 2002

        “If you don’t know an answer, a fact, a statistic – make it up on the spot.”

        - Paul Watson, Earthforce: An Earth Warrior’s Guide to Strategy

        “That fact is that we live in an extremely violent culture, and we all justify violence if it’s for what we believe in .”

        - Paul Watson, speaking at the Animal Rights 2002 convention.

        “Earthworms are far more valuable than people.”

        - Paul Watson, speaking at the Animal Rights 2002 convention.

        “We should never feel like we’re going too far in breaking the law, because whatever laws you break to liberate animals or to protect the environment are very insignificant.”

        - Paul Watson, speaking at the Animal Rights 2002 convention.

        “What a pathetic little turd you are.” “You little pansy fisherman” “You are one retarded bozo aren’t you.”

        - Paul Watson’s mature respone to a letter from former fisherman Bob Petton, as found on the S.S.C.S. official site.

      • AnimuX

        How many quotes will the little pro-whalers take out of context today?

        Can they get any more irrelevant as they cherry pick quotes out of context to make more exaggerations and false accusations?

        Pathetic. ;-)

      • Drangi

        In 1993 Paul Watson orders the crew on board the Sea Shepherd vessel “Edward Abbey” (formerly US Navy) to open cannon fire at a Japanese fishing vessel.
        The following transcript stems from the 1993 Yorkshire Television documentary “Defenders of the Wild – Ocean Rider”

        Paul Watson (over the radio): We are going to ram you!
        Stand clear!

        A Taiwanese drift-netter (over the radio): “Why are you
        crushing our ship?”

        Paul Watson: “You are killing too many dolphins ..
        and you insulted us by calling us creeps.”
        From another confrontation with a Japanese fishing vessel:
        Narrator: Sea Shepherd is ready to ram again.
        Now Paul Watson wants the Edward Abbey to fire directly
        at the drift-netters.

        Watson: “Fire a couple in the stern right at the water line.
        Nobody’s there.”

        Narrator: “To the relief of many of the crew members the
        order is not carried out. The Edward Abbey fires a cannon
        shot across its bow. Still the Japanese ship does not stop.”

      • Drangi

        Paul Watson was convicted in Norway in 1997 and has an outsanding warrant in Costa Rica for the attempted murder of a fisherman. A long, but far from complete, list of his and the Sea Shepherd’s crimes are detailed below:

        1979: An S.S. ship rams the whaling ship “Sierra”.

        1980: The “Sierra” is sunk in Lisbon harbor. S.S. claims responsibility.

        1981: The S.S. claims to have sunk two whaling vessels, “Ilsa I” and “Ilsa II”.

        1986: S.S. activists ordered to leave Faroese waters during whale harvest. Ignoring the order, Faroese police try to board the S.S. S.S. crew fires a line rifle and throw signal flares at police dingy. Petrol was poured into the water around the dingies and flares were used in what was preceived by the police to be an attempt to set the petrol on fire.

        1986: The S.S. claims responsbility for the sinking of two Icelandic veseels and damage performed against an Icelandic whaling station.

        1988: Paul Watson demands to be taken into custody in Iceland for the sinking which took place in 1986. He later recants his confession.

        1991: A U.S. fisherman reports his vessel being rammed by an S.S. vessel.

        1992: The S.S. makes three failed attempts at ramming Costa Rica fishing vessels.

        1993: Paul Watson, captaining the S.S. vessel “Edward Abby”, orders his crew to open fire on a Japanese fishing veseel. The crew refuses. The encounter can be seen in the 1993 documentary “Ocean Rider – Defenders of the Wild”.

        1993: The S.S. claims to have sunk 8 vessels and rammed and/or damaged 6 others.

        1997: Paul Watson convicted in Norway and imprisoned in Netherlands for scuttling of a whaling vessel and ramming of a Norweigan coast guard vessel.

        Despite considerable proof, pro-S.S. activists still try to deny this fact. Here are two Pro-S.S. sites that confirm this piece of the Sea Shepherd’s sordid history.

        2002: Arrest warrent issued in Costa Rica for Paul Watson for attempted murder and destruction or property resulting from an altercation with a Costa Rican fishing vessel.

        2002: “We should never feel like we’re going too far in breaking the law” – Paul Watson, Animal Rights convention 2002

        2008: The S.S. vessel “Farley Mowat” is confiscated and two members of the crew arrested.

        2009: Two S.S. crew convincted in Canada for their 2008 crimes. (note: this conviction was passed down AFTER Paul’s comment to Larry King)

        2010: Peter Bethune is convicted in Japan of all five counts he’s charged with including assault, trespassing and vandalism.

        2010: Paul Watson put on Interpol’s wanted list.

      • romika3

        “In its 30 year history Sea Shepherd has never killed or threatened to kill anybody.” What does Paul Watson and his supporters always make this their first opening remark. I makes you wonder why they are so insistant!!!!SSCS has threated, injured,and they have been accused of killing. They are a terrorist organization, plain and simple

      • AnimuX

        Regardless of the scare campaigns run by pro-whaling antagonists, the fact remains that in its entire 30 year history, Sea Shepherd has:

        NEVER killed or threatened to kill anyone.
        NEVER beaten or threatened to beat anyone up.
        NEVER taken or threatened to take anyone hostage.

        Thankfully, Sea Shepherd has taken action against pirate whalers like the Sierra (financed by Japan’s Taiyo fisheries to illegally kill whales in secret and smuggle the unreported meat to Japan), and illegal long line fishing operations, shark fin poachers, and cruel industries like the Canadian seal hunt (and more).

        Despite the corrupt efforts of the government of Japan (such as placing Paul Watson on the Interpol “blue notice” list like the old Soviet Union demanding defectors be arrested), Sea Shepherd has enjoyed an unprecedented success against the continued destruction of whales done in violation of international conventions prohibiting whaling.

        The Faroe Islands has been the subject of protest for some time. Hopefully, Sea Shepherd and other organizations will soon enjoy a similar success in stopping the sick ritual bloody slaughter of pilot whales at the hands of Faroese killers.

        Not to mention action against Soviet, Icelandic, Norwegian, and Japanese whalers whose whaling regulatory violations significantly contributed to the near extinction of most of the world’s great whales (many of which remain endangered species today).

      • Drangi

        It’s so hard to defend them and you are doing your best. No one with the right mind would take words of an activist rather than plain facts. So try to make up stories mate and try to defend this terrorist group. Nothing more than brain washing, money grabbing organization a cult for people that are not that bright or easy targets for brain washing.

      • AnimuX

        Unfortunately, pro-whaling antagonists continue to attempt to demonize environmental activists in these comments.

        They use emotionally charged words like “terrorist” in order to falsely compare activists, who have never killed (or threatened to kill) anyone, with real terrorists who murdered thousands of innocent people.

        They do this in order to erode support for environmental causes while skewing the discussion away from real issues.

        It is quite simply a smear campaign supported by the cruel and destructive industries, individuals, and governments that have been the subject of protest.

      • Drangi

        Yes and rightfully so.

        This is a terrorist group. You don’t have to look further then up to my comments to see that they are doing terrorist act.

        Terrorist. It’s a word that sends chills up the spines of most people. The term is pejorative. It is an insult of the highest degree. Calling someone’s actions “terrorism” and the person a terrorist by extension, is as serious a charge that can be laid against someone in this day and age. It has the same connotation as “child molester” or “baby killer.” A terrorist has done something that offends the conscience and whose intent is to terrorize, frighten, harass and otherwise molest innocent people.

        The intent is usually key to calling someone a terrorist. A murderer certainly strikes fear into the hearts of his or her victims — a serial killer may inflict these acts with the intent of causing fear and terror. However, serial killers do their horrible acts for selfish gratification. Almost without exception, a terrorist feels that he or she is working for some higher aim. Many people associate terrorists almost exclusively with religious fanaticism, but this is not an accurate picture. Terrorists do what they do from motivation which may be religious, political, a mix of the two, or neither. They may be environmental extremists, or motivated by extreme devotion to animal rights.

        One of the perplexing things about a terrorist is that many people would agree with many of their aims in principle. Most people want religious freedom, honesty in politics, environmental accountability, ethical treatment for animals. All are laudable goals — until innocent people are terrorized in the process of promoting the agenda.

        Of course, to Americans, the terrorist attack of 11 September 2001, is the most visible definition of terrorism and what a terrorist is. However, in Northern Ireland, the scars from years of terrorism by the IRA and the Protestant paramilitary branches are still visible. What of the 2005 attack on the London Underground? Or decades of terrorist actions on both sides of the conflict in Israel and Palestine? Regardless of the cause, when that cause becomes violent, it is terrorism and its participants are terrorists. They strongly feel the ends justify their means.

        A terrorist may be perfectly sincere in his or her beliefs. He or she may be convinced of the rightness of their actions. However, modern humanity agrees that actions calculated to produce terror, simply to make a point or further an agenda, constitute terrorism. A terrorist often does not think of himself as such. He may call himself a rebel, a freedom-fighter, a soldier of justice, etc. She might even be insulted that someone would think of her as a terrorist. But if he or she deliberately engages in actions designed to harm or kill innocent people, that destroy property, that rob blameless people of their right to a peaceful everyday existence, that person is a terrorist.

      • AnimuX

        No matter how you continue to twist and spin the fact remains that Sea Shepherd activists DO NOT target people for death, beating or kidnapping.

        They throw stink bombs, not grenades.

        They shoot cameras, not machine guns.

        There is a difference between vandalism and terrorism that pro-whaling antagonists, industries and sometimes governments ignore in order to silence, demonize, and erode support for their opposition.

        Furthermore, the same antagonists commonly ignore the fact that many of the industries and practices opposed by groups like Sea Shepherd are conducted in defiance of national laws and international conventions in places where there is no jurisdiction or law enforcement.

        Throwing stink bombs at a boat is not terrorism.

      • crumpets are yummy

        What a load of hoo ha the pro whalers are spewing at the moment…really incredible and yes, as Animux has rightly pointed out, pathetic.

  • Mick

    @animux
    “Sea Shepherd has:
    NEVER killed or threatened to kill anyone.
    NEVER beaten or threatened to beat anyone up.
    NEVER taken or threatened to take anyone hostage”

    And your point is…..what?
    The ELF hasn’t done any of those things, as well. However, the FBI has designated them as eco-terrorists and one of the top domestic terror threats in the U.S.

    • crumpets are yummy

      Ha ha @ Mick, what a load of codswallop. The FBI Have not designated them as eco-terrorists.

      If that was truly the case then no-one from SSCS would be allowed through USA ports and customs. Simple as that. Neither would SSCS be allowed through Australian and NZ ports.

      Have a guess whose ships ARE banned from Australian and NZ ports?

      hint * It’s not the Steve Irwin, Bob barker or Gojira.

      • Drangi

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-terrorism

        In a 2002 testimony to the US Congress, an FBI official mentioned the actions of Sea Shepherd Conservation Society in the context of eco-terrorism.[19] The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society intervenes against whaling, seal hunting, and fishing operations with direct action tactics. In 1986, the group caused nearly 1.8 million dollars worth of damage to equipment used by whalers in Iceland.[9] In 1992, they attacked two Japanese ships that were drift-net fishing for squid by cutting their nets and throwing bombs on board the boats.[12]

      • AnimuX

        The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society is registered as a charity organization in the USA and has NOT been charged as a terrorist group by the authorities.

        In fact, a year ago Paul Watson gave a lecture at the FBI academy. :-)

        They shoot cameras, not machine guns.

        They throw stink bombs and smoke, not anti-personnel grenades.

        Regardless of all of the lies and exaggerations made by pro-whaling antagonists, the fact remains that Sea Shepherd has never killed anybody, never beaten anyone up, and never held anyone hostage.

        Throwing stink bombs at a boat is not terrorism.

      • Drangi

        You are missing the point.

        In your defence you think of terrorist as people that kill people right?

        Have you looked up the word Terrorist?

        Look it up and then tell me this is not a terrorist group.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

        Drangi had some good points there (just kidding..) and i was actually not sure anymore, so YES i did look it up and (what a relief) SSCS AREN’T TERRORIST by any of the defenitions given on the wikipedia, not by a long shot.

        In a nutshell, terrorism involves “violence” and especially against noncombatants (= nice word for innocent people who aren’t involved) solely for the purpose creating FEAR and using that as a pressure tool for shady political goals.

      • Drangi

        Terrorist. It’s a word that sends chills up the spines of most people. The term is pejorative. It is an insult of the highest degree. Calling someone’s actions “terrorism” and the person a terrorist by extension, is as serious a charge that can be laid against someone in this day and age. It has the same connotation as “child molester” or “baby killer.” A terrorist has done something that offends the conscience and whose intent is to terrorize, frighten, harass and otherwise molest innocent people.

        The intent is usually key to calling someone a terrorist. A murderer certainly strikes fear into the hearts of his or her victims — a serial killer may inflict these acts with the intent of causing fear and terror. However, serial killers do their horrible acts for selfish gratification. Almost without exception, a terrorist feels that he or she is working for some higher aim. Many people associate terrorists almost exclusively with religious fanaticism, but this is not an accurate picture. Terrorists do what they do from motivation which may be religious, political, a mix of the two, or neither. They may be environmental extremists, or motivated by extreme devotion to animal rights.

        One of the perplexing things about a terrorist is that many people would agree with many of their aims in principle. Most people want religious freedom, honesty in politics, environmental accountability, ethical treatment for animals. All are laudable goals — until innocent people are terrorized in the process of promoting the agenda.

        Of course, to Americans, the terrorist attack of 11 September 2001, is the most visible definition of terrorism and what a terrorist is. However, in Northern Ireland, the scars from years of terrorism by the IRA and the Protestant paramilitary branches are still visible. What of the 2005 attack on the London Underground? Or decades of terrorist actions on both sides of the conflict in Israel and Palestine? Regardless of the cause, when that cause becomes violent, it is terrorism and its participants are terrorists. They strongly feel the ends justify their means.

        A terrorist may be perfectly sincere in his or her beliefs. He or she may be convinced of the rightness of their actions. However, modern humanity agrees that actions calculated to produce terror, simply to make a point or further an agenda, constitute terrorism. A terrorist often does not think of himself as such. He may call himself a rebel, a freedom-fighter, a soldier of justice, etc. She might even be insulted that someone would think of her as a terrorist. But if he or she deliberately engages in actions designed to harm or kill innocent people, that destroy property, that rob blameless people of their right to a peaceful everyday existence, that person is a terrorist.

        What are they doing? Paul Watson (see above) admits sinking Icelandic whaling fleet. That is Terrorist act. He is going to Faroese Island to Terrorize the people to stop the grind. Thats a Terrorist act like:

        “that destroy property( thorwing stink bombs), that rob blameless people of their right to a peaceful everyday existence (thorwing smoke bombs), that person is a terrorist.”

      • AnimuX

        No matter how you continue to twist and spin the fact remains that Sea Shepherd activists DO NOT target people for death, beating or kidnapping.

        They throw stink bombs, not grenades.

        They shoot cameras, not machine guns.

        There is a difference between vandalism and terrorism that pro-whaling antagonists, industries and sometimes governments ignore in order to silence, demonize, and erode support for their opposition.

        Furthermore, the same antagonists commonly ignore the fact that many of the industries and practices opposed by groups like Sea Shepherd are conducted in defiance of national laws and international conventions in places where there is no jurisdiction or law enforcement.

      • Drangi

        O I see so they will not enter the Faroese ocean? Because its the Faroese jurisdiction and they do law enforcement in its won ocean?

        Or what a hell some laws are meant to be broken to save the whales?

        Are they going to throw stink bombs in Faroes?

        Is vandalism ok if it’s to save the whales?

        If the Faroese would say “you are not welcome here” would you go?

        Are they going to fear the people or terrorize the people so they will not attend the grind

      • AnimuX

        As a matter of fact Sea Shepherd has made statements about deploying “pingers” (such as the types used to warn dolphins away from fishing nets) around the Faroes to help prevent pilot whales from approaching close enough to be rounded up and mercilessly slaughtered.

        Other details have not been announced, however, it is highly unlikely that Sea Shepherd will throw stink bombs at Faroese whale killers except in defense.

        Unlike Japan’s whaling fleet, there is no particular specially equipped ship for killing the pilot whales to interfere with.

      • Mick

        @crumpets are yummy

        Christ people! Can’t you read and understand english???

        I said, “The ELF hasn’t done any of those things, as well. However, the FBI has designated them as eco-terrorists and one of the top domestic terror threats in the U.S.”

        For those who lack the ability to read and comprehend english. That means the FBI has designated the ELF as eco-terrorists, not SS.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        @ Mick.
        despite the anti SSCS rethoric of the Japanese whalers & co, not even a minority in Japan, Seashepherd isn’t considered a terrorist organisation even in Japan itself.

        Seashepherd members, including people who previously have been arrested for releasing dolphins in Taiji, don’t experience any problems entering Japan. They are not arrested, denied entry, nor harrased.
        That proofs two things :
        1. Japan and japanese people are nice and decent people.
        2. Sea Shepherd isn’t officially considered a terrorist organisation in Japan.

        There is no country that officially claims that SSCS is a terrorist organisation, so what is all your silly fearmongering about screaming that SSCS is a terrorist org ?

        There are, however plenty of countries that actively help SSCS, with opening their ports for the SSCS vessels, while denying entry for the japanese whaling vessels and even threatening to arrest these vessels if coming into their national waters, political parties embracing SSCS, governements condemning the japanese whaling, etc.

        so all in all, keep up the good work and post more of your too-obviously-pro-whaling-nonsense. I only will start to worry when your posts are beginning to make sense ! That will be hard though for an ex McDonald patty-flipper turning paid troll.

      • Mick

        @herwin

        “Seashepherd isn’t considered a terrorist organisation”

        Seriously, herwin. Can you read and understand english??? Do you have some kind of learning disability or are you just slow? If you COULD read and understand english you would know that I said that the FBI has designated the ELF as a terrorist organization, not SS.

      • romika3

        The quote below is from a member of the SSCS.

        “Yesterday I did not know what an eco-terrorist was. Now it appears that I am one?”

        - Sea Shepherd Deckhand Amanda Caldwell, 20, Atlanta, Georgia

        SSCS are terrorists, plain and simple

      • romika3

        “No matter how you continue to twist and spin the fact remains that Sea Shepherd activists DO NOT target people for death, beating or kidnapping.”

        Really, they do support threats towwards fishermen.These threats include burning down their “stores and houses”, skinning their children aline, suttle death threats to name a few.

      • crumpets are yummy

        what drug of choice are you on tonight Romi..3?

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        @ Romika

        i bet you are an anti whaling activist pretending to be a dumber than dumb pro whaler troll to give pro whaling a bad name !

        keep up the good work !

  • crumpets are yummy

    Seriously Mick, do you ever stop trying to insult people?

    If you have a point then do us all a favor & make it and spare us the rhetoric.

    • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

      his latest point is that the SSCS isn’t a terrorist organisation. :-P

      • crumpets are yummy

        Well I’m sure we all agree on that point, except for the totally deranged & the idiotic.

  • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

    @ Mick.
    Gee mr. Turtle Turd, you are repeating yourself. Just two posts ago you said the same. We can read and yes, we understand what you say; ELF not SSCS. We no stupid.

    Get this, ego centric troll, not everything evolves around you or what you say. My remark about the SSCS and not being a terrorist organisation is MY independent remark to you. You talk about the ELF, well, guess what, i talk about the SSCS. SSCS not ELF. Get it ? This SSCS topic . Not ELF topic.

    • Drangi

      Amazing!

      Those Shit Sheep herd guys only have one gear and that is defend even though nobody is trash talking Shit Sheep herd.

      Then they fight who is defending it the most!

      Brain wash????? or just not that bright? You wonder!

      I think 70% of the shit sheep herd have never seen the ocean or never seen a whale. They just might feel important if they say hey lets stop whaling, hey lets stop this and that. Then when nobody see them they will eat it and do what they are against. They are bunch of sad people who fight in front of computers and try to find someone who is smaller to pick on to make them feel good. I pity the fool who fight for them. They are not fighting where people need to be fighting. And that for food for the people of this planet, fight all war. Dont let people die for nothing. Feed the people not take food from them. Imagine if those whales could be sent to poor countries of Africa? Yes, you wonder but the Shit Sheep herd guys will say its all done for the mighty dollar. If you would fight it let say ok take a some whale meat and send it to starving people would you be so against it?

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        70% never did see the sea ?
        you must be the troll clown, eh ! :-P

        oh, so people who never did see a whale aren’t allowed to defend whales ?

        and people who never visited Japan (or Haiti) aren’t allowed to donate ?

        i would say, people who never did see how whales are killed, shouldn’t be allowed to eat whales.
        In fact, let’s make it a rule that ONLY people who kill the whale rightfully can eat whale meat.

        btw, small sidenote, that also goes for all meats. anyone eating meat, should know where it comes from and at least see some vids of slaughterhouses and factory farms, on a monthly basis.

        keep up the good work…

      • crumpets are yummy

        Better not feed them too much dranji…they might start doing too well for their own good and produce another mutant like you. God knows the world can do without more mutants.

        If you want to feed the starving in Africa then why don’t you sell some of your assets and send them all some seeds to plant and grow.

        After all we don’t want to kill the Africans with mercury poisoning do we.

    • Mick

      @herwin

      “We no stupid.”

      “My remark about the SSCS and not being a terrorist organisation is MY independent remark to you.”

      Unfortunately, you undoubtably are stupid.

      You claim that you understood my post. If that is so, you also would have understood that I did not say nor even imply that SS was a terrorist organization. Despite knowing that I did not claim SS is a terrorist organization you felt the need to post an insulting rant to me attempting to refute a claim that I didn’t even make.

      • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

        @ Mick

        this is getting funnier with every reply from you ! :-p

        well, my fellow anti whaling posters, let it be noted that even Mick already several times has stated that he doesn’t claim that SSCS is a terrorist organisation.

        thanks Mick, keep it up and we might end up friends.

      • Mick

        @herwin

        “let it be noted that even Mick already several times has stated that he doesn’t claim that SSCS is a terrorist organisation.”

        So, what’s your point? Even though SS’s actions fit the definition of eco-terrorism, I’ve never claimed that SS was a terrorist organization.

      • crumpets are yummy

        Mick, your own mother would fit the definition of a terrorist. So cut the crappola.

        BTW has anyone seen the new deal that Sea shepherd has just signed with Palau? Yes, the nation of Palau wants Sea Shepherd to protect their territorial waters from poachers. This is yet another nail in the coffin for those who seek to rape the oceans for their greedy, selfish purposes.

  • http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin

    @ Mick.

    “I’ve never claimed that SS was a terrorist organization.”

    okay, buddy, we accept your statement.

  • romika3

    The quote below is from a member of the SSCS.

    “Yesterday I did not know what an eco-terrorist was. Now it appears that I am one?”

    - Sea Shepherd Deckhand Amanda Caldwell, 20, Atlanta, Georgia

    I wonder why SSCS supporters on this forum are avoiding responding to this post??????? Their silence is deafening and tells use something, doesn’t it???

    • crumpets are yummy

      Please note the question mark romi3…it was actually a statement of surprise, not an acknowledgement.

      • romika3

        I guess she was surprized when she learned sea had been recruited by a terrorist organization.

      • crumpets are yummy

        no you are lost in translation here romi…she was expressing surprise that anyone could be such a numbskull as to be calling her silly names.

  • Michael Raymer

    http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-110408-1.html

    The Slaughter has Begun in the Ferocious Isles

    “The barbarian butchers of the Danish Protectorate of the Faeroe Islands have begun their ghastly slaughter early this year with the bloody slaughter of 60 defenseless pilot whales. In a world where civilized nations come to the rescue of stranded whales, the one place on the planet that demonstrates no mercy is this group of islands situated between Scotland and Iceland.

    Sea Shepherd Conservation Society will be taking our ships to the Faeroes this summer to once again intervene to defend the whales from the thugs who slash, stab, and club these beautiful socially complex, sentient creatures.”

    “The Faeroes receive all the benefits of the European Union but consider themselves exempt from the laws of the European Union. The slaughter of the pilot whales is a violation of the Berne Convention. Iceland cannot join the European Union until they stop killing whales, yet the Faeroes are given an exemption by Denmark. Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has joined forces with the Brigitte Bardot Foundation in Europe to bring the Faeroes into compliance with the laws of Europe.”

    More at the link.

  • trhrtoij

    What’s the difference between killing a whale and a pig or cow? They’re killed equally fast (if the whale isn’t killed faster). Apparently this is the first time you’ve ever seen an animal being killed, because it’s like this animals are being killed….

  • Rm

    It’s time to end the killing of all sea mammals for commercial means. It’s just plain wrong!

    What’s the point?

    Thankyou -

    • trhrtoij

      Why only the sea mammals? Doesn’t make any sense.

  • PhilBeeNZ

    1. I am completely against this senseless massacre.
    2. I am also against knee-jerk reactions that spread like wildfire through the Internet, without due care.
    3. I received an email last year (it keeps doing the rounds regularly), so riddled with grammatical and factual errors that I did some research to clarify things. Check out my blog, and you’ll see what I mean.

    http://yardyyardyyardy.blogspot.com/2009/11/gotta-get-it-right.html

    Don’t misunderstand me – I am very much against this outdated custom. But I warn those who attempt to change the Faroese mindset: it’s a total waste of time swearing and cursing etc. You need a considered approach, perhaps offering solutions, showing a mature understanding of their situation (not AGREEING with them – just being aware of their traditions and thinking). Generate a global groundswell with reason, clarity, purpose, calmness.
    Write to the Faroes Government, NOT the Danish one (it’s not the Danes’ issue, it’s the Faroes’ killings). Aggression will only run off their backs and entrench their behaviour (they are after all descended from Vikings!!).
    Good luck…read my blog and you’ll see what I mean.

    PhilBee, NZ

  • Thomas

    Where do you people get you information from ?

    “Ritualistic Blood sport” and primatry scource of protein, selling whale meat in the stores wtf ?

    I’m from the Faroe Islands and i know nothing of these accusations.

    Say you where on some shitty islands, with no source of food.

    You would probably go fishing right ? so why is that not banned ?
    Anyway, you would probably make some boat and go out to sea, to find more, as the population grows and the population needs more food, and at this time youre probably getting tired of the fish, so you have to hunt something. Well, that could be sheeps, rabbits, birds etc. but it’s still wrong to kill right ? NO IT’S OKAY TO KILL FOR FOOD !! So one day, out at sea, you see these big fishes, and know that they would be great for very small city, say 5000 people. all in all, we’re only 50.000 faroe islanders. and you get one to shore, well there is some thing to eat. but at this stage, there are a lot of people at sea, for the fishes. and there is the scale. so finding 300 whales and mabe getting 250 in, would be great for 5000 people, wich are the family’s of the fisher men, wich where there for the fish in the first place, and not like the chineese with boats designed for locating, hunting and shooting whales.

    And to make the whole killing more humane. they get one spear in the neck, killing them instantly, and not like those sick video’s you on youtube, of people torturing animals. Go find them instead.

    And since there are 250-300 whales getting killed all at once(withing 5 min’s all are dead) the sea get’s red. but that’s normal. ofcouse there is blood, and those that think that it is a massacre. NO, it’s purely killing for food. Killing for food is normal, there was killing before the meat got to the supermaket. But how do you think it got there. it probably got killed at some sloughtery where the cleanlyness isn’t the best and mabe some get tortured once in a while, but people don’t care about that. They only care about what one person within Green-Pease thinks is a problem. Now that is wacked

  • Charlie

    I am Faroese, I don’t eat whale meat because i find it tastes bad, and i believe that at some point in the future the whale hunting will die out naturally. What annoys me is that there are so many myths floating around on the internet about the faroese because of the whale customs:

    That the whale killings is some sort of ritualistic coming of age ceremony: what most of us perceive as our coming of age ceremony is our protestantic confirmation at the age of 14.

    That why do we kill when we can just buy the meat in the supermarket: well, on the Faroe Islands it is illegal to buy and sell whale meat. Yes, we can buy pork, veal, steaks of various kinds etc. in the shops, but where do you think these come from? From a slaughterhouse, where animals are raised and killed in much more brutal ways than a knife-jab into the spine that takes 3 – 5 seconds.
    When the slaughterhouse is exchanged for a beach surrounded by the sea, what is visible is a gory sight of blood and splashing whales and people. It looks messy and barbaric, simply because it’s completely out in the public.

    Why we continue eating whale meat when we know it is a health hazard: most young people (under the age of 25) don’t eat whale meat, simply because the custom is dying out, and they prefer pizza and whatnot. The older generations, who actually depended on the whales for survival (like my grandmother’s and mother’s generations) still eat it and see it as a big part of our culture and their human rights. Pregnant women don’t eat it, children under the age of 14 don’t eat it. It’s a personal choice that every Faroese person takes.

    That the Faroese because of our ‘murderous whaling ways’ are satanic and bloodthirsty vikings that don’t understand the more sophisticated ways of the west: this one is a no brainer; firstly, the faroese never were vikings, most sources tell us that we are decendants of irish monks :) from the early days we were quiet farmers untill we around the 18th century discovered the bountiful fishing areas around the isles. The faroese as a people are very quiet and reserved, and yet very welcoming and polite. The isles were Christianized around the year 1000 and most modern faroese belong to the protestant faith. A growing number of atheists are emerging on the isles and most of the youth goes abroad to study at universities and the likes. The faroe islands are a very modern society and bloodthirsty is not what an islander would characterize themself as on their facebook page :P

    Honestly, I respect Paul Watson for his opinions and extreme integrity. He really stands up for what he believes in and that is an awesome trait to have in a person. But I politely disagree with his methods and opinions. Myself, I would rather fight for the pigs rights to a clean death and a healthy lifespan instead of the shite they endure before their slaughter. But if one’s heart burns for the sake of the whales, then respect.
    The Faroese will probably not stop hunting whales because of popular demand from the outside world, as the whale population is thriving and not harmed at all by the hunting. Whale hunting will die out naturally as a cause from the globalization of the youth on the isles as the old ways die out and the new ways take their place :)

    Sorry for my lengthy post. Just wanted to get my tuppence out :)