‘Seal Wars’: Is Animal Planet Prepping Another Sea Shepherd Series?

by Michael dEstries August 1, 2011
Categories: Animals, Film/TV.
Photo: Flickr/Creative Commons

The relationship between Sea Shepherd and Animal Planet appears to be getting tighter.

With whaling in the Southern Ocean this year still in doubt – which naturally would negate a fifth season of the highly rated “Whale Wars” – the network is showing signs that it’s ready to expand the brand across more than one series. Last week, we received confirmation that a new series, ”The Faroe Island Project”, was filming as the Sea Shepherd seek to disrupt pilot whale hunting in the island chain. Now, on the heels of the conservation org’s secret infiltration of Namibia’s seal hunt comes hints of yet another potential series/special.

“We created quite a controversy in Namibia, we can’t disclose what footage we captured, as Animal Planet have exclusive rights to it for the show ‘Seal Wars’, said Steve Roest on Facebook, who led the team into Namibia. “But the suggestion by the Namibian government that we breached their National Security and the fact that they used the navy, army and police to keep this slaughter hidden speaks volumes to the corruption involved.”

Similar to the undercover work utilized in the Academy Award winning documentary “The Cove”, Sea Shepherd members planted hidden camera disguised as rocks close to where the seal culling takes place. Paul Watson told “The Namibian” that after the cameras were in place, Navy vessels appeared, forcing a retreat. “They had to run back to the cars some 5 km away and then drive into the hills.” Namibian authorities later confiscated memory cards found in some of the cameras, saying that the eavesdropping was “a threat to the sovereignty of the country.”

Watson added that the footage they did manage to capture will “be screened internationally on the Animal Planet channel.”

A request for comment from the network was not received.

via PlanetOceanAlliance

About Michael dEstries

Michael has been blogging since 2005 on issues such as sustainability, renewable energy, philanthropy, and healthy living. He regularly contributes to a slew of publications, as well as consulting with companies looking to make an impact using the web and social media. He lives in Ithaca, NY with his family on an apple farm.

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Arnie

I do not like Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd. I do not like how they lie about “documenting” something when they are in fact engaging in dangerous publicity stunts that endanger the lives and safety of innocent people. I do not like how they lie that they “go after illegal activity” when they are in fact attacking people who’s activity is perfectly legal. I do not like when they lie that they are helping endangered species, when their actions are all related to species that are not endangered. I don’t like any of their lies.

I will continue to protest Sea Shepherd by torturing and killing various animals.

If you want to stop me, stop enabling Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd.
- crumpets are yummy
  
  Arnie, I’ve said it before and Ill say it again, you are a douchebag.
- Wendy
  
  I wouldn’t even respond to Arnie, he is a sad pathic little man with obvious problems of a little self-esteem and other “LITTLE” problems and is not worth anyone’s time… and if he is doing those evil things, he probably wets to bed and plays with fire and will be arrested soon for crimes of a serial killer..
  As for the efforts of Paul Watson and the Sea Shepard, I love what they are doing.. and love that each year the amount of whales murdered are less and less… I support them in every way I can.. and FOREVER WILL!!
- ednakano
  
  I agree with you.
  And AP should stop support those terrorist.
  Seal hunting is quite diffrent from Whale War.
  AP crew will be arrested if they get samo boat and Disvcovery Channel need responsibility the crew life if they go to namibia.
  
  BTW PW said Crews go to Feroe island are not afraid to be arrest but PW himself run away from namibia w/o no seal save.
  - EscapeArtist
    
    Getting arrested by the Norweigan authorities is a lot, lot different to being arrested by the Namibian ones.
- Linda Coman
  
  MORON ALERT!! KARMA is coming your way. Think of us when it gets there. For all the animals of the world. <3
- dawn
  
  you’re an idiot. they are breaking the laws.the animals are endangered. and if you knew anything about that area.there are no police. the shepherds have to protect and serve the animals & that’s what they do. most of us couldn’t care less what you think, we’ll continue to support paul and all the shepherds. so, troll away.
  - pip
    
    you’re an idiot. Yes the SSCS is breaking the laws.the animals areN’T endangered.
    
    Obviously, despite your claim, you do care what others think.
  - boo radley
    
    SSCS are not breaking any laws…idiot.
  - sscs-antifan
    
    Actually boo, it is illegal according to Faroese law to interfere with the grind. So better check your facts.
- dawn
  
  & all you ppl who are against the ss~ shut up already! why do you have SUCH a problem with humans trying to help other animals? why are you so important? what have you done/or are you doing to help animals? quit your bitching and be glad someone’s doing it.& you’re stupid. of course they’re not gonna air the episodes live or even anywhere near current, cuz the opposition would know where they are. why do you guys think you’re so smart? with all your big words. for those of you who think being on those ships isn’t big deal~ i don’t see you risking your lives everyday. i don’t see you on those ships. you need to shut up. let’s see you weather the elements or sleep with a scorpion. i didn’t think so.
  - Arnie
    
    Can you tell us which law the Faroese whalers are breaking? Or which reputable conservation authority lists the species of whales they are hunting as endangered? Don’t think so.
    
    But if you can I will spare one puppy and make sure it finds a good home. This is your chance to really help an animal.
  - Arnie
    
    Can’t come up with anything? Just promise to never support Sea Shepherd again and I will still spare the puppy.
  - Arnie
    
    The puppy will not be spared. Blame Dawn, Sea Shepherd, and Sea Shepherd enablers (like Bob Barker).
- pip
  
  Yes you are, but with the proper care you may rise to the level of two buckets of rocks some day.
- http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
  
  There are two possibilities :
  1. The Razzi allows the F word
  2. Boo gets his post removed ! Just like Michael !
  LOL
  - boo radley
    
    Small things amuse small minds.
  - http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
    
    Boo did get his post removed completely by the Razzi, there is not even the usual “your post has been removed due to violations etc.”
    So that makes two SSCS supporters who did get their post removed on this thread within two days.
    Turns out the pro whaling trolls are more smart than these two anti whaling buttheads.
    Alright Boo and Michael, probably you two will make the usual personal attacks, but you should take a few seconds and think if even the Razzi thinks your post isnt fit for this website, how other ordinary people receive your ranting comments, peronsal attacks and the use of F words.
    Compared to you two girlscouts, these slimy pro whaling trolls with their dumb and twisted arguments seem like reasonable guys who might have a point.
- http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
  
  he said the F word…
- Yunko
  
  This post has been removed due to a violation of our commenting policy.
AnimuX

What’s clear is that Sea Shepherd is going to continue putting those donations to good use in confronting all sorts of cruel and illicit exploitative and environmentally destructive industries to protect the oceans. Kudos to Animal Planet for documenting this monumental effort to protect the oceans.

Just this year SSCS has confronted:

Industrial whaling that subverts the International Whaling Commission’s conservation efforts in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

Mediterranean blue fin tuna IUU (illegal, unreported, and unregulated) fishing that threatens the endangered species with extinction.

The cruel and completely unnecessary destruction of pilot whales in the Faroe Islands.

Shark poachers in the the protected waters of the Galapagos.

The barbaric and bloody seal slaughter in Namibia.
- ecogal
  
  Can you elaborate on what you mean by confront? Do you mean direct action? Because I haven’t seen any direct action by them in the Faroes, Namibia or the Galapagos. I’d say what they have done in those parts is quite Greenpeace like. If they’re turning into a group that now films and documents for AP, then perhaps they should stop referring to themselves as direct action or establish a separate arm that does what they accuse others of doing.
Sea Cucumber

The really important part that Analmux is leaving out is that it won’t be much of a “war” with the Steve Irwin sitting in the UK due to being arrested for ILLEGAL actions taken against LEGAL fishermen. Absolutely ZERO evidence has been supplied backing up Fatson’s claim that the catch was illegal – the simple truth is that it was a legal catch, but because Wat$on needed some sort of donation-inducing incident, he decided to take the law into his own hands and ram a tuna cage.

Seal wars? I don’t think so. How many millions of dollars will be wasted on bailouts for his people and ships after he commits additional illegal acts? The last one is costing his sheeply followers 1.4 MILLION dollars. That money could have been used elsewhere to further the cause of conservation and anti-poaching, but instead it is being wasted on bond money to free the SI.

By the way – the SSCS has an “office” in the Galapagos, and those sharks were slaughtered right at their front door – while they did nothing but ask for more donations. Paulba the Hut said “we can’t be everywhere”, which is true, but they ARE THERE and it still happened! So where is he rest of the money going??? Not to save the sharks, that’s for sure!

Analmux still has not responded as to how much he himself has donated, and whether or not he is willing to sell his hose and car for the whales! Come on, Don – give til it hurts! My guess is that you haven’t donated squat and now you’re expecting people to give their hard-earned money to a loser who has a long proven record of wasting it frivolously – the last incident being a 1.4 MILLION dollar act of stupidity.

And, it’s not over yet. Even Analmux has indicated that the case against the SSCS is very strong.

Good on ya. Analmux – you are finally beginning to get it!
- AnimuX
  
  Unfortunately, like most pro-whaling fools, SeaCock leaves out some important details.
  
  For example, Sea Shepherd Conservation Society has a long standing cooperative relationship with the law enforcement in the Galapagos. The organization has provided direct assistance and equipment to improve radio communications, investigative resources, and has even provided funding for a ship to patrol the area for poachers.
  
  You can read more about the great work Sea Shepherd has done int he Galapagos at: http://www.seashepherd.org/galapagos
  - sscs-antifan
    
    So SSCS articles on their own “progress” is reliable?
    
    There site says they fight against all illegal whaling (whaling not accepted by IWC), but there is no mention on Canadian whaling.
  - crumpets are yummy
    
    Learn to spell anti-fan if you are wanting to be taken seriously. There is no commercial Canadian whale hunt.
  - sscs-antifan
    
    I never said anything about any commercial whaling in Canada, learn to read crumpet.
  - crumpets are yummy
    
    I can read, thanks all the same, wnough to read your crappola anyway. My comment still stands.
- AnimuX
  
  Pro-whaling trolls like SeaCunty here just don’t get it. People don’t donate to Sea Shepherd to watch them sit back and do nothing.
  
  People donate to Sea Shepherd to take the fight for marine conservation to the illicit and cruel industries responsible for the over-exploitation of endangered species (often in defiance of international conservation efforts), criminal enterprises like poaching, and barbaric inhumane practices.
  
  This busy year for Sea Shepherd is one helluva great example of those donations going directly to a good cause!
  
  For the oceans!
  Donate to Sea Shepherd online now at:
  http://www.seashepherd.org
  - crumpets are yummy
    
    Thanks Animux, due to the seacocks rudeness, I just doubled my donation!
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Rideough/516534860 Dave Rideough
    
    Oh, really Animux. Show me one example from even the last FIVE years of Sea Shepherd actually attacking an illegal whaling, fishing or sealing operation or one overexploiting an endangered species. Go.
  - boo radley
    
    He can’t show you that, bow and arrow man. Sea Shepherd dont attack, they defend and enforce marine conservation laws. Unlike you Dave…you know all about attacking dont you? It is a good job you took down that threatening link you posted towards Andy, hey. You could have landed in some deep water with those threats you made. Oh yeah, say hi to Hank from me.
  - ednakano
    
    And no improvement of real enviromental issue.
    SSCS will be lemmited activity because they will lose more ship. All IWC member agree to stop SSCS.
  - pip
    
    So how does it feel to be proven wrong and shown to be lying boo?
    
    You see not only did the IWC members agree to stop the SSCS, they have done the same thing at least 3 previous times.
    
    http://iwcoffice.org/meetings/resolutions/Resolution2011-2.pdf
    
    RECALLING that the 58th Annual Meeting of the Commission adopted Resolution 2006-2 in which the Commission agreed and declared that the Commission and its Contracting Governments did not condone any actions that are a risk to human life and property in relation to the activities of vessels at sea, and urged persons and entities to refrain from such acts;
    ALSO RECALLING that the 59th Annual Meeting of the Commission adopted Resolution 2007-2 in which the Commission urged its Contracting Governments to take actions, in accordance with relevant rules of international law and respective national laws and regulations, to cooperate to prevent and suppress actions that risk human life and property at sea and with respect to alleged offenders, and to cooperate in accordance with UNCLOS and other relevant instruments in the investigation of incidents at sea including those which might pose a risk to life or the environment;
    
    REAFFIRMING the statement on safety at sea made at the Commission’s Intersessional Meeting held in Heathrow, UK, 6-8 March, 2008, which noted reports of dangerous actions by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS) in the Southern Ocean directed against Japanese vessels, called upon the SSCS to refrain from dangerous actions that jeopardise safety at sea,
    
    AGREES AND DECLARES again that the Commission and its Contracting Governments do not condone and in fact condemn any actions that are a risk to human life and property in relation to the activities of vessels at sea;
    
    AGREES that the resolution of differences on issues regarding whales and whaling should not be pursued through violent actions that risk human life and property at sea;
  - boo radley
    
    Pip, Japan has applied for NZ and Australia to stop SSCS. But they have no legal basis to do so and in fact thoroughly support what SSCS does. So to say that all IWC members agree to “stop” SSCS, as Ednakookoo claims, is a big fat, baldy faced lie.
    
    To top it all off, SSCS recieved a commendation from New Zealand for their help in the search and rescue for the crew of the Beserk which was lost at sea.
    
    Safety at sea is the first priority when at sea. Unlike the Japanese of course who have lost several people at sea in Antarctic waters and have had several fires on board their ships, also.
  - boo radley
    
    Oh yes, I nearly forgot Pip, did the Captain of the Shonun Maru 2 ever get reprimanded for cutting the Ady Gil in half? Or did he get a medal?
  - AnimuX
    
    Oh no. Pip brings up the IWC? LOL
    
    Resolution 2007-1
    
    RESOLUTION ON JARPA
    
    WHEREAS paragraph 7(b) of the Schedule establishes a sanctuary in the Southern Ocean;
    
    RECALLING that the Commission has repeatedly requested Contracting Parties to refrain from issuing special permits for research involving the killing of whales within the Southern Ocean Sanctuary, has expressed deep concern at continuing lethal research within the Southern Ocean Sanctuary, and has also recommended that scientific research involving the killing of cetaceans should only be permitted where critically important research needs are addressed;
    
    CONSCIOUS that the Scientific Committee last year convened a workshop to analyse the results of JARPA 1, which is reported in SC/59/REP 1;
    
    NOTING that the Workshop agreed that none of the goals of JARPA 1 had been reached, and that the results of the JARPA 1 programme are not required for management under the RMP;
    
    FURTHER NOTING that the Government of Japan has authorised a new special permit programme in the Antarctic, JARPA II, in which the take of minke whales has been more than doubled, and fin whales and humpback whales have been added to the list of targeted species;
    
    CONCERNED that fin whales in the Southern Hemisphere are currently classified as endangered, and that humpback whales in the JARPA II research area may include individuals from depleted breeding populations overwintering in the waters of certain Pacific Islands;
    
    CONVINCED that the aims of JARPA II do not address critically important research needs;
    
    NOW THEREFORE THE COMMISSION
    
    CALLS UPON the Government of Japan to address the 31 recommendations listed in Appendix 4 of Annex O of the Scientific Committee report relating to the December 2006 review of the JARPA I programme to the satisfaction of the Scientific Committee;
    
    FURTHER CALLS UPON the Government of Japan to suspend indefinitely the lethal aspects of JARPA II conducted within the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.
  - boo radley
    
    Nice find there Animux. Just goes to show what a crock the whole SHAM this whaling is.
  - boo radley
    
    Also today, the Australian and New Zealand Governments officially welcomed the
    decision by the Government of Japan to withdraw the JARPAII research vessels for this
    season without condemning the extremely dangerous activities of the SSCS.
    
    In this regard, the ICR cannot help deeming with regret that these countries are
    encouraging so-called “eco-terrorism”, by their actions of condoning illegal activities of
    the SSCS and of welcoming the results of such activities.
    
    http://www.icrwhale.org/pdf/110218ReleaseENG.pdf
    
    Get used to it ICR!!!
- brandon
  
  Lol, the part you’re leaving out is why the hell would Watson need to give court evidence to you? It’s for the court, not you. Have the fisherman given you papers of their innocents? I’m here doubting that. Also the fun study by the British showing that much of the paperwork done by blue fin tuna “fisherman” is completely made up.
  - ednakano
    
    SSCS give nothing to UK court and Already lose once.
  - boo radley
    
    Hey guess what edna, the SI is free. Fool.
- dawn
  
  i’m always willing to sell my hoses for the whales.
sscs-antifan

When will SSCS go after American and Canadian whaling? Canada left the IWC because their whaling wasnt accepted. Or are these to big nations for SSCS to target?
- AnimuX
  
  Unfortunately, some pro-whaling antagonists, in their on-going negative campaign against Sea Shepherd, attempt to make false comparisons between the commercial destruction of whales (to mass produce canned whale meat in Japan) with the limited subsistence hunts of native groups in the arctic circle.
  
  Although, it is amusing to watch whalers turn against one another in a pathetic attempt to smear Sea Shepherd.
  - sscs-antifan
    
    So you mean better to not target whaling on endangered speices (beluga, grey whale, narwhale etc)?
    
    SSCS doesnt need the whalers help to dis-credit themselves, they are doing a great job on their own
    
    Btw, did you donate to save the SI?
  - AnimuX
    
    Once again, pro-whalers conveniently leave out important details such as:
    
    According to the International Whaling commission, Japan annually kills endangered Fin whales, endangered Sei whales, vulnerable Sperm whales, Bryde’s whales (population uncertain), common Minke whales (up to 46% from the vulnerable J-stock according to 2009 DNA study), and Antarctic Minke whales (according to the IUCN this species may have declined by 50% over the last 3 generations, which would classify it as endangered – more study is needed)…
    
    Japan also acts as the world market for endangered whale meat by importing endangered Fin whale from Iceland. (a trade that would not exist in Iceland without Japan as an export market…)
  - sscs-antifan
    
    And you keep forgetting to mention, that Canada left IWC, because they couldnt get their “traditional” whaling approved, unlike Greenland, USA, Indonesia and Russia.
  - AnimuX
    
    Interesting assertion… however…
    
    June 28, 1981 – NY Times
    
    Canada announced last night that it was withdrawing from the International Whaling Commission because of a lack of “any direct interest in the whaling industry or in the related activities of the commission.” Canada outlawed commercial whaling in 1972.
  - sscs-antifan
    
    But Canada is still a whaling nation, natives doing “traditional” whaling with motorboats, guns and metal tools.
    
    The SSCS site states, the org. will target any whaling not approved by IWC.
    
    Btw, did you donate to save the SI?
  - AnimuX
    
    Pro-whaling propagandists continue to make false comparisons between limited subsistence hunts by native people and the industrial destruction of whales to mass produce canned whale meat by Iceland, Norway, and Japan.
    
    However, they occasionally make a good suggestion.
    
    If you haven’t already donated to Sea Shepherd, now is your chance to help save the whales!
    
    Donate online today at: http://www.seashepherd.org
    
    For the oceans!
  - crumpets are yummy
    
    Thanks Animux, due to anti-fan’s complete and utter BS, I just tripled my donation! Anti-fan, the SSCS thanks you!
  - sscs-antifan
    
    You are welcome crumpet, or should i say Suzzle?
    
    Here is the strange part. SSCS is against the native hunt performed by the Makah Tribe of Washington state. So saying it is ok for some natives, but not all?
    
    My donation question was meant for Don. Has he personally donated any money to save the SI, or is he just spamming with the link?
  - AnimuX
    
    Crumpet, what an excellent idea! More donations to Sea Shepherd! Well done!
    
    YOU can help Sea Shepherd to protect the oceans!
    
    Donate online at: http://www.seashepherd.org
ecogal

What about Francois Hugo who has been fighting for the Namibian seals for years? Check out his Facebook page. You need not be his friend to read it. While he seems a bit off to me and I can see why he is a divisive fellow and I’m not sure if he is the guy to support, it does sound like the SSCS’ latest stunt disrupted some progress he was making and that rather than waiting for a tv show, it would make sense that SSCS air their footage now. If they care about the seals more than ratings that is…

Great that SSCS is taking a stand. Too bad they feel such a need to be martyrs and heroes. Most of them are young and wanting their 15 seconds I guess. I’ve never seen a group cry and talk about sacrifice and risking lives as much as they do. Wow, they ran 5K. There are people fighting all over the world working in dangerous circumstances, They do it and never ask for credit for it. Sadly, in this case, the glory and drama has become more important than what the SSCS once stood for. I actually respected Paul Watson for doing what he did…before he wanted to become famous for it.
- sscs-antifan
  
  I agree with you. If SSCS was seeking their fame, I might even support them. But at the moment they just seem like a bunch of ego-centric wannabes.
  - sscs-antifan
    
    Sorry, meant to say if SSCS was not just seeking fame
  - boo radley
    
    What do you think, Hank fan?
  - ecogal
    
    Let me add, I don’t mind them having a television show in that if I supported what they were doing it is a great way to educate people but what kind of people brag about saving animals or about how dangerous it is? I see Paul Watson constantly doing it and the other supposed tough guys on the show. What happened to doing something because you believe in it and because you do whatever you have to do to get the job done? Look at the ALF crew. I understand they have different reasons for their anonymity but nevertheless they seem to care more about the result than getting credit for the result and what it took to achieve that result. And those people engage in not only in some risky actions but in ones that could result in incarceration. Look also at Scotlund Haisley. He does some amazing work and does talk about what he’s accomplished but it isn’t in a way that seems to be about him.
    
    Please air the footage from Namibia and try to put a stop to it now and then have your show. If it means breaking a contract with Animal Planet, isn’t it worth it? Supposedly they don’t pay you so there should be no issue with damages or compensation. SSCS is famous enough that the footage would probably be shown on tons of media outlets. It just sounds crazy to me to say that we have this damning evidence but we’re going to withhold it until next season. By that, I mean next television season , not next clubbing season. Isn’t it sad that the word now has taken on another meaning? Where have your priorities gone?
  - ecogal
    
    From Paul Watson, on their operation in Namibia:
    
    “The crew dug themselves into the sand on the beach, inside lined sleeping bags to protect them from the cold – it wasn’t pleasant. One of our crewmembers was in a hole shooting footage of the sealers as they drove in the dark toward the seal colony, when he turned to see a black fat-tail scorpion with its stinger raised and ready to strike. Almost face-to-face with the scorpion, he rolled out of the hole until the arthropod scurried away. He was unaware that black fat-tailed scorpions can spit their venom. As unpleasant as it all was, the team managed to secure their positions in the dark with a good view of the killing ground.”
    
    They had to use “lined” sleeping bags and it “wasn’t pleasant”? And then they saw a scorpion? Seriously? I thought this was about the poor seals who are getting clubbed. Thankfully they don’t have to suffer through a night in a “lined” sleeping bag.
    
    And good luck ending corruption in Namibia. What an ignorant statement. There are groups like Transparency International who have been fighting corruption in Africa for forever but Paul Watson and SSCS will be able to do it. Even though they have little to no experience on the continent. And even though corruption is the biggest reason why the trade of endangered species or trafficking still continues and is the third biggest industry after drugs and weapons. Okay.
    
    Finally, is SSCS solely responsible for what happened in Canada? Were they the only NGO working on this? I know very little about Canada and about their campaign. I thought they were still killing seals there?
  - Michael Raymer
    
    So, they can’t even talk about what went on, without little Miss Book Critic chiming in? Tell me, your highness, how should they tell the story? And would it help, maybe, if you didn’t try so desperately the attribute comments and intentions to them that just don’t exist?
    
    Seriously, from what hole do these people crawl out from?
  - ecogal
    
    Are you accusing me of making up these comments? These are quotes from something Paul Watson of the SSCS wrote about the Namibia operation. Please refer to his website.
    
    There is no need to insult me. Apparently supporters of SSCS have an issue with legitimate questions. Is there a reason no one is interested in Francois Hugo but only SSCS? I thought people commenting here cared about the Namibian seals and yet no one is spreading knowledge about the one person who has been fighting for them for years or of what is really the issue in Namibia. All I hear are cheerleaders for a group that got another television series.
    
    As to a hole, you have me confused with those brave SSCS people who had to hide in one, to take pictures, a la Greenpeace. That poor cameraman, who risked his life FOR THE SEALS. I left out the part about them all being assaulted and one woman fleeing burglars and the missing passports and laptops. Such drama. But what about the seals?
    
    People contributing to this forum are not conservationists it seems, just typical North Americans who think television is reality and idolize those that seek fifteen seconds of fame, yet do it under the guise of saving animals or saving something. What a shame.
  - http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
    
    i don’t get it, why do Sea Shepherd supporters alwasy feel the need to trash other eco people who have a slightly diferent (but more valid) opinion then themselves ?
    No need to be sarcastic and call her “your higness”, which is just an attempt to silence somebody with a diferent opinion.
    Ecogal isn’t a troll but says something that much more good eco people think. Like it or not.
    A shame but not a surprise that some of the Seashepherds are so intolerant, narrowminded and resemble nothing less than a sect like Scientology.
    Anyway, thanks for your post Ecogal.
  - boo radley
    
    Thats a bit rich , coming from the most intolerant person on these forums.
    
    “A shame but not a surprise that some of the Seashepherds are so intolerant, narrowminded and resemble nothing less than a sect like Scientology.
    ”
    
    Talk about a sweeping statement!
  - Michael Raymer
    
    In case you haven’t noticed, and it may be hard to from your high horse, the parent article is about Sea Shepherd.
    
    “There is no need to insult me.”
    
    Your entire tone is insulting, so don’t be shocked when you are insulted right back.
    
    “Apparently supporters of SSCS have an issue with legitimate questions.”
    
    Your questions aren’t legitimate. But Lord knows we have dealt with people like you before. Regardless of what SSCS does, you have a better way. If you can think of something they “haven’t done”, it’s their fault for not thinking of it first. If they are here, why aren’t they there? If they say this, why didn’t they say that? Man, you people get boring.
    
    “Is there a reason no one is interested in Francois Hugo but only SSCS?”
    
    Sounds like an issue for you to take up with the site’s administrators. I say again: this is an SSCS article/thread. But if you feel that we should be made more aware of Mr. Hugo’s activities, why don’t you educate us and stop wasting time with your complaints.
    
    “As to a hole, you have me confused with those brave SSCS people who had to hide in one, to take pictures, a la Greenpeace. That poor cameraman, who risked his life FOR THE SEALS. I left out the part about them all being assaulted and one woman fleeing burglars and the missing passports and laptops. Such drama. But what about the seals?”
    
    Again, nothing we haven’t seen before. Baby, if you have a better way to run a conservation organization, show us how it’s done. You can’t be a quarterback, sitting in the cheap seats.
    
    And herwin:
    
    “feel the need to trash other eco people who have a slightly diferent (but more valid) opinion then themselves ?
    
    Shall we go back over every vegan thread on here and see who likes to trash other opinions?
    
    “which is just an attempt to silence somebody with a diferent opinion.”
    
    And shall we go back over YOUR posting history, where you went completely bat-shit at me and anyone else who dared disagree with you?
    
    “so intolerant, narrowminded and resemble nothing less than a sect like Scientology.”
    
    Yes, nothing like a full-blown debate over whether using honey makes you vegan/good or non-vegan/going-to-hell. Nothing narrow minded or cult-like there.
    
    It’s amazing to me how your accusations fit your own actions to a tee.
  - Michael Raymer
    
    LOL…excellent timing Boo. And now herwin can’t hide behind the “One Man’s Claim” defense.
    
    He just doesn’t get how childish and obvious he is.
  - boo radley
    
    Yes Michael Raymer, Even Greenpeace admit that SSCS tactics work. Its a shame that Herwin cannot bring herself to agree.
    
    “Greenpeace whales campaigner Reece Turner says the Japanese have buckled to international pressure, but he also says changing opinions within Japan have played a role.
    
    “I think there’s three factors at play really,” he said.
    
    “There’s the tactics of the Sea Shepherd organisation in the Southern Ocean, there’s a change in the public opinion at home and increasing revelations of corruption, and of course the diplomatic pressure from Australian and New Zealand governments has taken its toll as well.”
    
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-02-18/japan-calls-on-australia-to-stop-sea-shepherd/1949078
  - ecogal
    
    Michael Raymer, did you actually refer to me as “Baby”? How classy. Do your friends here also like to degrade women? Do you have a problem with women?
    I will address the rest of your comments shortly but want to leave that out there.
  - http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
    
    @ Boo.
    “Even Greenpeace admit that SSCS tactics work.”
    You obviously never read my posts or you willingly distort them, to make me look an anti sscs poster, which i am not. For you again i will share my stand on SSCS : Sea Shepherd tactics work, they are excellent, Paul Watson is a hero and i fully support SSCS.
    SS tactics weren’t the issue of my posts, rather the tactis of you and your fellow sect members in trying to bully anybody who has a diferent opinion and so HARMING the anti whaling cause.
    
    @ Ecogal.
    Yes, these meateating fakers who even never donated to SSCS have an issue with women. The greatest insult for them is refering to me, a guy, as a schoolgirl, and using “herself” refering to me. Gender jokes and gender insults are commonly used at junior highschool, LOL…
    
    @Raymond the New Joisy Whale Warrior.
    Such a long response, obviously i did touch a nerve, eh..
  - Michael Raymer
    
    Well, if pity mixed with humor is “touching a nerve”, I guess you touched one. And I told you before, referring to you as a schoolgirl was never meant to be a joke or an insult. I genuinely thought you were.
    
    Ecogal – if you want to respond to my post, respond to the points made. And try making a few of your own. All I’ve seen so far is whiny, sideline quarterbacking.
  - pip
    
    Yes ecogal, SSCS supporters can ignore comments and facts. But you have to respond to their posts the way they want. It is known as hypocrisy and it is a common characteristic of the anti-whalers.
  - Michael Raymer
    
    pip, what comment and/or fact did I ignore? What “facts” have been presented? There are no “facts” to respond to here. Only a whiny little girl making straw man arguments (because we haven’t seen enough of those around here), and a very confused, childish and petulant regular poster who needs to vent his hatred of me, no matter what the topic is. But alas, I see no “facts”. Swing and a miss.
  - ecogal
    
    Michael Raymer:
    You most clearly have an issue with women. Tis sad that the conservation movement has misogynists like yourself associated with them. “ONLY whiny little girls” would make straw man arguments? Little boys don’t make straw man arguments or even big boys?
    As to Francois Hugo, I have no issue with this website not discussing him as it calls itself a gossip type site and he’s not a celebrity like the SSCS crew but what I do now see is that the people who post here in support of SSCS are solely interested in a television show and not the issues it addresses because no one seems to be addressing the seals or the person most involved with them. If you cared about these seals and not the fact that your heroes have another show for you to watch, you would Google Francois Hugo.
    What facts have you discussed? You are saying that there is nothing wrong with Paul Watson likely making up drama and I’m saying that I think there is. I’ve a right to make judgments as to people and how they represent a movement. I’ve also provided you with examples of other groups and how they have done it.
    It looks like your posting was nothing but an excuse to attack a female and add nothing substantive.
  - Michael Raymer
    
    My issue isn’t with women. My issue is with people who are bound and determined to complain, complain, complain. You don’t like SSCS or Watson’s tactics? Did anyone ask for your opinion? And since you seem so eager to share it….who are you? What are your credentials that give you carte blanche to make these complaints? What is your field of expertise that lends validity to this laundry list of what OTHERS are doing wrong?
    
    Understand, I feel perfectly justified to call you on this. For the past several years myself and others have been subjected to a constant barrage of anti-SSCS bullshit, as they pertain to Antarctic whaling. After all the crap, after all the claims (“Watson is going to get people killed…”, “Watson is going to be jailed…”, “SSCS is going to get run off….”), after all the point/counter-point; SSCS issued the whalers an ass kicking of biblical proportions.
    
    And now we have a couple of new campaigns. And here you people are, all over again. Complain, complain, complain. Blah, blah, blah. Watson this, Watson that. When are you going to get it into your head(s) that he knows one hell of a lot more about what he’s doing than you do?
    
    If you like the work(s) of others better, knock yerself out. Concentrate on them. I honestly believe that the above diatribes are more some attempt at showing off what (and who) you know, rather than any sincere critisism of what SSCS is doing. And if Francois Hugo or Scotlund Haisley have a problem with anything, they can handle their own press. If they’re not getting enough of it, you having temper tantrums around here is hardly a solution to THEIR problem.
    
    Again, I want to make it clear that I have no problem with women and I have no problem with you being a woman. I have a problem with you being really, really annoying. And if you are going to spend your time getting on my nerves, I can play too…..baby.
  - http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
    
    @Ecogal.
    Amen. Valid points, good reasoning.
  - ecogal
    
    Michael Raymer:
    You keep saying “we.” Are you part of the crew? Otherwise, is there a reason you think myself and others have come to this website to attack you? You have not stated your credentials, which I never knew were required in order to post on this website. Care to enlighten me as to who you are and why you believe you should tell me or anyone else that they cannot question this nonprofit organizations? Do you get this defensive and worked up when people criticize others as you seem to have no issue criticizing me and Herwin? I am getting on your nerves you state yet I still don’t understand why you feel obligated to read everything that is written here. Are you paid to do so? More specifically, I’m not getting on your nerves unless you let me. You can choose not to read. I assume you are American. I know you have something called free speech and I know people like SSCS and the groups I have been affiliated with are the ones who encourage others to think outside the box, yet here you are trying to tell others that they have no right because it somehow affects you?
    Red Cross, your government, my government, WWF, PETA, HSUS, Save the Children, the UN, NHS and every other public group and many private are constantly subject to criticism. Piss off and get over it.
    I don’t think anyone buys your argument that you don’t have an issue with women. You called me baby, this Herwin person states that even though he’s male you often refer to him as a woman in an attempt to demean or emasculate him and then you made that statement about “whiny little schoolgirls.” As to the latter, most would just use the term children but you chose girls, for a reason.
    I can and will post as much as I want. If that gets on your nerves, that is your problem. If you are not crew, you’re very paranoid and delusional. You have repeatedly in your statement referred to yourself as if myself or others know you and are somehow here to harm you.
    Who am I? British born, spent some time in the United States getting a second degree after Uni, gap year in Central Asia, have spent the last ten or odd years working on the African continent for nongovernmental organizations in both food security and human trafficking. My partner’s work is with endangered species, namely primates, but he also consults on issues related to the environment like forestry. We have spent the last year, almost two now, on and off in the United States as my partner is here lecturing. I know a thing or two about nonprofits. While my CV should not matter as everyone is entitled to an opinion, there you have it.
    Herwin, many thanks or, as you would say, kap koon ka for the kind words. We’re always on the look out for new restaurants, especially ones that have Jae food.
  - http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
    
    @ Michael.
    Seems like you did it again, Junior, blasting away at a genuine eco activist person and making a fool of yourself, all because somebody (who is an activist in the real world) has some valid and interesting point.
    Nice going , butthead.
    @ Ecogal.
    Michael and sect members don’t understand that critisism is normal in the real world, that critisism DOESNT mean you are ANTI and AGAIANST that organisation, rather that critisism is an excelent oportunity for any organisation (or busines, or person) to selfreflect and to grow. Only immature persons can’t deal with critisism and flip their lids.
    Actually, anyone who follows all this on the Razzi remembers the posts from Paul Watson himself who did get so upset about some trolls comment that he actually commented on the Razzi and used words like “mental wanker” and other sex oriented words, refering to anyone who disagrees with him. So classy.
  - Michael Raymer
    
    I didn’t say you get on my nerves. I said you are really annoying. You complain about my responses to you. Your original posts are denigrating to a conservation group who is working towards goals you claim to support. But it is you who started the ball of critisism rolling with your absurd rants. If you are allowed to criticize, why are you so far above it?
    
    If you want to ally yourself with herwin, be my guest. He has shown himself to be so one-flew-over-the-cuckoos-nest, out of his skull crazy, over the past couple of months, one has to wonder what medication he is on. The level and scope of his hysteria really is that troubling. But if you need to go to the asylum to make friends, I’m sure you’ll be popular.
    
    My original point, and the one you choose to ignore, is if you have a problem with SSCS…..too bad. They achieved a milestone earlier this year, and they continue on with the mission. Instead of patting themselves on the back, for issuing the Antarctic whalers an ass kicking of biblical proportions, they move on to the next program. In fact, they have expanded their scope to both Namibia and Faeroe Islands. And, this STILL isn’t good enough for the peanut gallery. You STILL have to find anything you can grab hold of to piss and whine about.
    
    You can, in fact, post as much as you want. Guess what….baby? I can respond to you as much as I want. And if all you have to offer is your own brand of hand-wringing, foot stomping, “why won’t they do things MY way”, BS; then you can look forward to no shortage of responses from me. You listed all those groups and said they are subject to criticism. Well, so are you. And, while responding to herwin is beneath me, he claims that my reaction to you does harm to the conservation movement. Your own actions, with these chessy, left-field complaints are helping…how?
    
    You seem to be fixated on the term “baby”. Get over it and yourself. I work in an industry where we get Baby’d and Sweetie’d to death. I get over it and so does everyone I work with. If you can’t handle such a small thing, you have no business lecturing anyone.
  - http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
    
    @ Michael.
    
    in this thread you replied to Ecogal with :
    
    “In case you haven’t noticed, and it may be hard to from your high horse.”
    
    well, she gave her “credentials” and it seems fair to say she isnt speaking from a “high horse” but from years of field experience, a real activist.
    
    Didn’t you try the same thing half a year ago when you and your thuggie friends tried to discredit Crumpy claiming he never donated to Sea Shepherd ? Oops, Crumpy did spit up proof from his donations to Sea Shepherd so you and partners had to bend over.
    
    Okay, since you bring it up all the time and force people to give proof or their credentials, why don’t you be a good example and give YOUR credentials ?
    
    Then anybody can judge who is talking from a high horse and WHO is full of hot air.
    
    And…i did read Ecogals comments, sorry to say, but they are not “denigrating” or anything you claim, they are just valid points, even if you disagree, they are valid points and you simply can respond to that., or ignore it.
    
    Hey, cool, so you did get used that people call you baby and sweetheart ?
    NEWSFLASH : You Are Not At Work But On An Eco Forum.
    
    Did you ever tell your buddies at work (or your hunting buddies for that matter) you are a “whale defender” ? I bet not, i bet you are the macho man at work, and when you shoot an animal, eh.
  - ecogal
    
    Michael Raymer:
    I don’t care if you keep posting. Show the world what type of “man” you are: a paranoid one who resorts to sexism. By all means, as you’re the one getting all worked up. You fail to even explain why you think myself and others are coming to this website to attack you, Michael Raymer.
    It is pathetic that you defend the use of the term “baby” and apparently also “sweetie” because you work in an office where others find it acceptable. It clearly shows that you’re working somewhere where you fit in perfectly, since you repeat the same inappropriate behavior. Why don’t you step up and tell your colleagues that such behavior can be deemed harassment? I know why, because you support the behavior the denigration of women or are just weak. You do exactly what the organization you support looks down upon. That is, fighting for what is right, changing the status quo. I’m quite sure it would not be acceptable for the male SSCS crew to refer to the female crew as “baby” and “sweetie.” Then again, the crew, other than Paul Watson, is not composed of old men who grew up in an era where such words were acceptable. I am sure both female and male crew reading your comments will be quick to blacklist you from any missions because I can’t imagine anybody wanting to work with you.
    Also, sexism is not criticism. It is sexism.
    To your first statement in your latest rant, are you sure you didn’t say I get on your nerves because this is what you wrote: “And if you are going to spend your time getting on my nerves, I can play too…..baby.” Ironic you calling Herwin crazy. You can’t keep your own comments straight.
    
    To others who are on this website:
    There’s an interesting update in the link below as to where things stand today. I realize that it could all be empty gestures so I still encourage the immediate release of any footage that could help.
    http://www.economist.com.na/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23867%3Acitizens-need-to-know&catid=593%3Ageneral-news
    
    http://www.namibian.com.na/news/full-story/archive/2011/august/article/ombudsman-clashes-with-seal-activists/
  - Michael Raymer
    
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  - ecogal
    
    Michael Raymer:
    There is no anger in my posts just offense at being attacked because I’m female. Before you called me a “whiny little schoolgirl” and now “ecobaby” so is that what you do when you get worked up? That is childish behavior, especially the name calling. Couple that with your need to demean me because I’m female, your paranoia as to people following you, your repeating yourself over and over and your attacking others and you’re sadly one hot mess.
    While you clearly have no interest in seals and are here because of something you saw on the telly, I have posted links to the most current information about the issue and about those fighting for the seals. I care about the solution and about those who may hinder any resolution. Arguably you’re one such person because as I post information about the issue, you try to discredit and belittle me and divert attention from the issue. The comment in my last post about releasing footage is directed at SSCS so I’m still talking about them and find your comment that they “working the problem” laughable. Other people have documented the harvest as well. I would not call that “working the problem”…yet. I would also point to seals still being killed in Canada and tuna in the Mediterranean and sharks in the Galapagos. Good on them for trying to tackle these issues but all these things are still happening, including whaling. What they have done so far in Namibia is what one would call that taking pictures. They seem to be attempting to turn it into something more than that by talking about burglaries in their rented house, assaults on them, scorpion encounters and running through the desert but it’s still just taking pictures. They are creating a television show at this point highlighting the drama surrounding taking pictures of the harvest. I hope they do more but your arguments fails for now because nothing has been done.
    Do carry on with your ranting and raving. I will continue trying to help by encouraging SSCS to release footage immediately that may help in ongoing discussions, to focus on the seals and not the drama of saving seals, and to not do antics for a television show that may disrupt progress made by others. I will also continue educating others as to the issue and as to any developments by providing links to articles and information about others involved in this fight.
    Cheers
  - http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
    
    Ecogal said :
    
    “You do exactly what the organization you support looks down upon. That is, fighting for what is right, changing the status quo.”
    
    well said. The sun of reason shines on us.
    thanks for posting.
- AnimuX
  
  Interesting from the economist article: “This would prove that we are a transparent nation and that we have the watchdog institutions that are competent and independent, to start and complete investigations,” he concluded.
  
  —————————-
  
  Unfortunately, there is a history of watchdog groups (and journalists) being attacked for even attempting to film the seal slaughter in Namibia…
  
  http://www.wspa.org.uk/latestnews/2009/Journalists_attacked_and_arrested_while_covering_Namibian_seal_hunt.aspx
  
  How’s that for transparency.
Sea Cucumber

Ok, let’s look at Analmux’s understanding of the situation…

“What’s clear is that Sea Shepherd is going to continue putting those donations to good use in confronting all sorts of cruel and illicit exploitative and environmentally destructive industries to protect the oceans.”

Yeah, right…. The donations made last season enabled Paul Watson to take the law into his own hands and act ILLEGALLY in ramming the tuna cage – damaging equipment and injuring LEGAL fishermen. The donations being asked for now are to provide for a 1.4 MILLION dollar bond levied against the Steve Irwin for these ILLEGAL acts. The UK courts are acting in accordance with the law, something that the SSCS knows little about.

“Industrial whaling that subverts the International Whaling Commission’s conservation efforts in the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.”

Funny, I didn’t see anything about industrial or commercial whaling in the SO, did anyone else? You don’t like the research being done – well then change the rules and regs in the IWC. Oh, that’s right – the SSCS was barred from the IWC for ILLEGAL activities!

“Mediterranean blue fin tuna IUU (illegal, unreported, and unregulated) fishing that threatens the endangered species with extinction.”

Once again, Analmux displays massive ignorance regarding the situation. Let’s review for the dummy, shall we? Steve Irwin – ARRESTED for ILLEGAL activities in the Med. SSCS cannot prove anything with regards to illegal fishing – if they had any evidence, they would have used it by now. To quote Analmux from our own Planet Ocean Alliance forum – even he thinks the SSCS case is worth shit!

“People need to keep in mind that reality and what you can prove in court are two different things.”

“Sea Shepherd has a circumstantial case against Fish and Fish that is dependent on interpretation of exactly where the blue fin tuna came from (ie: from ships with or without a legal quota to fill) and when the fish was caught (ie: before or after the Jun 10th early end of the 2010 BFT fishing season).”

“Fish and Fish has a solid case of evidence against Sea Shepherd for damage to the tuna cage and cutting of the net. Not so much on the exact amount of fish lost. Fish and Fish does not need to address where the fish came from in order to successfully win a lawsuit against SSCS.”

“So, either way, unless the recent massive BFT fraud/smuggling that was uncovered also implicates Fish and Fish, SSCS has the weaker case.”

Yep – Analmux said these things!!! Thanks for proving the anti’s points!

“The cruel and completely unnecessary destruction of pilot whales in the Faroe Islands.”

How would you know that – you’ve never been there. But, you could join the SSDCS and ride on the Steve Irw… Oh that’s right, you CAN’T! LOLOLOLOL! Paul would have been there, but since he’s paying the price for his ILLEGAL actions, his ship is stuck where it is and is soon to be sold off as scrap, while the little kids who Fatson fleeced out of their money are crying.

“Shark poachers in the protected waters of the Galapagos.”

Sure they are! 357 sharks were killed right at the SSCS front door in the Galapagos while all they could do was to make more signs with macaroni and glitter saying to “Donate Now”. The poaching has been going on before the SSCS got there, it’s DEFINITELY going on WHILE they are there, and will continue to go on until a real conservation group like GreenPeace gets there. The SSCS is there, yet the animals are dying right in front of them while Watson hits the buffet tables elsewhere.

“The barbaric and bloody seal slaughter in Namibia.”

The SSCS was chased out while the seals are being killed – what, that makes about 2 shows right? One show showing them arriving, and the second sow detailing how they got chased out with their tails between their legs.

You’re massively ignorant if you think that the SSCS is going to produce any more results besides a descending series of farts.

Idiot!

Don’t waste your money folks – Watson and Analmux are just proposing that you hand it over so then can just burn it up in front of you.
- boo radley
  
  The Tuna fishermen were fishing illegaly. Steve Irwin is now on its way to the Faroes. SSCS will win the court case. Untill then..happy bitchin.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Rideough/516534860 Dave Rideough

That’s awesome. Maybe they should make a series following the ELF too. Animal Planet is going in such a great direction with this!
- boo radley
  
  You should have your own reality show, loser.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Rideough/516534860 Dave Rideough

Wow, Animux is really desperate.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Rideough/516534860 Dave Rideough
  
  Who’s the propagandist again, Animux? I feel sorry for you. You need psychiatric help.
  - boo radley
    
    Are you still going around thretening people Dave?
- boo radley
  
  Dave Rideough
  
  “So, what did we learn with today’s drama? Well, nothing we didn’t already know: Despite fawning over a bunch of ecoterrorist thugs, Andy and his Sea Shepherd sycophant friends over at WWI get their pattern-printed panties all in a bunch whenever anybody even so much as says a harsh word to or about them. Also, I can play them like a violin.”
  - boo radley
    
    A true whack job.
Sea Cucumber

Hey Boo – I haven’t seen any threats, have you? I didn’t seee anything threatening with what Dave wrote here.
- boo radley
  
  Yep I’ve seen them Cucumbers…the threats were posted all over Hanks Facebook pages. This guy is a whacko.
AnimuX

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The Pelly Amendment to the Fisherman’s Protective Act was enacted in 1971 to conserve Atlantic salmon. The Pelly Amendment grants the President discretion to prohibit the importation of fish or fish products originating in a country that is diminishing the effectiveness of an international fishery conservation program. The Packwood-Magnuson Amendment of 1979, an amendment to the Fishery Conservation and Management Act (FCMA), allows the President to impose trade sanctions pursuant to the Pelly Amendment if a country is diminishing the effectiveness of the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling.

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Ask the U.S. President to enact sanctions against Icelandic marine products (under the 1971 Pelly Amendment to the Fisherman’s Protective Act and 1979 Packwood-Magnuson Amendment to the Fishery Conservation and Management Act) until the commercial slaughter of whales, especially endangered species, is stopped!

http://www.internationalwhaleprotection.org/campaigns/iceland/
- ednakano
  
  Some Crazy US fool (I do not mean all US cotizen are fool) try to invade other countries custom, culture, industry and laws.
  - sscs-antifan
    
    And some fool think it helps to spam the president on these issues.
  - boo radley
    
    You mean like Japan did and does edna? You need to brush up on your history.
pip

@boo

“IWC members agree to “stop” SSCS, as Ednakookoo claims, is a big fat, baldy faced lie.”

OK boo now you have shown us all that you can’t read and/or understand English.

“AGREES AND DECLARES again that the Commission and its Contracting Governments do not condone and in fact condemn any actions that are a risk to human life and property in relation to the activities of vessels at sea;”

“take actions, in accordance with relevant rules of international law and respective national laws and regulations, to cooperate to prevent and suppress actions that risk human life and property at sea and with respect to alleged offenders,”

NZ and Australia are contracting governments to the IWC are they not? Prevent and suppress sure sounds like stop to me.

“But they have no legal basis to do so and in fact thoroughly support what SSCS does.”

As the Port State and the first Port of Call following the actions, Australia does have a legal basis to take action. And as the Flag State of the Ady Gil, NZ did have the basis to take action. Also how does the existence or non-existence of a legal basis have anything to do with what they support?

“To top it all off, SSCS recieved a commendation from New Zealand for their help in the search and rescue for the crew of the Beserk which was lost at sea.”

And again what does this have to do with anything? John Wayne Gacy was named “outstanding vice-president” of the Waterloo Jaycees and recieved award for his charity work. Does that mean he wasn’t a horrible serial killer? Just because a group does some good things doesn’t absolve them of blame for the bad things they do, does it?

“Oh yes, I nearly forgot Pip, did the Captain of the Shonun Maru 2 ever get reprimanded for cutting the Ady Gil in half? Or did he get a medal?”

I don’t know boo. Which did the captain of the Ady Gil get for allowing his vessel to be cut in half? And what did the fleet commander get for losing one of his vessels?

@Donald

Oh sorry I meant AnimuX

I am glad I could make you laugh. It is supposed to be good for your health.

Did I ever claim the IWC hasn’t called on Japan to halt JARPA and JARPA II? Did I ever claim that the IWC hasn’t called for Japan to stop lethal research?

But what does that have to do with the fact that they called for the prevention and suppression of the unsafe activities of the SSCS?
boo radley

“Just because a group does some good things doesn’t absolve them of blame for the bad things they do, does it?”

I havent seen SSCS do any bad things. Zew Zealand, it appears, considers SSCS to be doing some great work in Antarctica. I guess that is why they support SSCS and do not allow JAPANESE WHALERS to enter their ports?
pip

Sorry boo, the resolution passed with no objections. Thus ALL members agreed.

What I was saying about reading ability is that you don’t have any, and you continue to prove me correct.

And more proof of your lack of reading ability is that the main document I quoted from, and linked to, is explicitely from this years IWC meeting.

I never said the IWC has jurisdiction over safety at sea, another failure of your reading ability, but that doesn’t stop them from make statements about safety at sea does it? They also don’t have jurisdition over Article VIII permits but you and your lot sure seem to want them to do something about those permits.

It amazes me how every time you post it just shows more ignarance than the last time.
- boo radley
  
  Pip, New Zealand and australia are not stopping or preventing Sea Shepherd and if you think they are then you are definatly spinning with the fairies. You are a complete idiot Pip.
- pip
  
  Try reading slower boo, and maybe reading the whole comment 3 or 4 times. Maybe that will help with the comprehension.
  
  I didn’t say they were stopping or preventing the SSCS. I said the IWC has passed multiple resolutions calling on them to stop and prevent the SSCS.
  
  Now explain again who has comprehension problems and who is an idiot?
  - boo radley
    
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  - AnimuX
    
    Even as pro-whalers support the blatant subversion and defiance of International Whaling Commission resolutions calling on Japan, Iceland, and Norway to STOP killing whales, they embrace the IWC in order to criticize and prevent Sea Shepherd from enforcing the IWC’s previous democratic decisions.
    
    In other words, we continue to witness a fundamental argument made by pro-whalers that countries like Japan may kill as many whales as they like regardless of protections given to whales by the International Whaling Commission and other international regulatory bodies.
    
    Thankfully, Sea Shepherd continues to take extreme action against the extreme problem, of certain nations refusing to honor their international obligations, for the conservation of whales.
  - pip
    
    Nice strawman Donald.
    
    But you have it wrong. You and others have been complaining that the Japanese don’t follow IWC resolutions for years and only recently have the anti-whalers brought up the fact that SSCS and some of the countries that support them are just as guilty of violating IWC resolutions.
    
    It is amazing how bad your memory is
    
    Oh and not following a resolution is hardly refusing to honor their international obligation, but if it is then Australia, New Zealand, the United States and the Netherlands (at a minimum) can be added to your list. And the four of them, along with much of the rest of the IWC have violated regulations which is definitely refusing to honor their international obligations.
  - AnimuX
    
    Sea Shepherd is not a “national government” or member of the IWC. Unfortunately, pro-whalers would have governments that openly flout the democratic decisions of the IWC then use the same IWC to stop those protesting their illicit activities.
    
    What pro-whalers might not realize is that other national governments may not be so willing to do Japan’s dirty work when they already perceive Japan’s ongoing whaling as illegal.
    
    Then of course there are numerous questions about the application of national law in international waters, who ultimately has jurisdiction, etc. For example, the Australian Federal Court previously ruled Japan’s whaling operation in the Australian Antarctic Territory is illegal. However, this does not necessarily mean Australia will assert its sovereignty in the Antarctic Treaty Zone and arrest the whaling ships.
  - http://www.herwinsvegancafe.com herwin
    
    Luckely there is Animux (and Crumpy) who sticks to arguments and provides valuable information with quotes and links, always interesting to follow comments.
  - pip
    
    Donald, do you build strawmen for a living?
    
    I mean is lying about what your opponents say really the only thing you can do?
- Michael Raymer
  
  “the IWC has passed multiple resolutions calling on them to stop and prevent the SSCS.”
  
  OK, for those of us with comprehension problems, please post links to these “multiple” (that means more than one) resolutions. And please link the ones that mention SSCS by name.
  
  No other reply is necessary, btw. A concise and relevant response that addresses only the points that I have raised will be all that I will be able to comprehend.
pip

“OK, for those of us with comprehension problems, please post links to these “multiple” (that means more than one) resolutions. And please link the ones that mention SSCS by name.

No other reply is necessary, btw. A concise and relevant response that addresses only the points that I have raised will be all that I will be able to comprehend.”

Just as you have said to others Mikey, they have been posted already so go find them yourself.

And I realize you can’t comprehend anything that doesn’t fit your narrow world view. Although that is not a comprehension problem it is a mental block. ANd unfortunately you won’t be able to respond because you claim you won’t be able to comprehend this post. Although I will almost bet you do anyway extending your string of untruths.
- Michael Raymer
  
  No, these “resolution(s)” have not been posted already. And, ONE MORE TIME that a pro-whaler has made some BS comment, been called on it, and run like hell.
  
  Folks, there are no “muliple resolutions” from the IWC concerning SSCS. Nothing to see here, move along people.
  - pip
    
    “And unfortunately you won’t be able to respond because you claim you won’t be able to comprehend this post. Although I will almost bet you do anyway extending your string of untruths.”
    
    Called that one.
    
    Just as you have said to others Mikey, they have been posted already so go find them yourself.
  - boo radley
    
    http://www.icrwhale.org/pdf/110218ReleaseENG.pdf
    
    The Dutch and Australian Governments could not stop violent activities of the SSCS while
    they register SSCS vessels under their flags.
    Also today, the Australian and New Zealand Governments officially welcomed the
    decision by the Government of Japan to withdraw the JARPAII research vessels for this
    season without condemning the extremely dangerous activities of the SSCS.
    In this regard, the ICR cannot help deeming with regret that these countries are
    encouraging so-called “eco-terrorism”, by their actions of condoning illegal activities of
    the SSCS and of welcoming the results of such activities.
  - pip
    
    Did you have a point?
romika3

Folks: No seal wars for Watson and his SSCS eco-terrorists as it is to dangerous in Namibia and there is no money to be made on issues in Africa. As for Canada, the harp seal population is approaching 9.5 million animals, up from 2.5 in the early nineties and Watson has already lost on boat in Canada. Watson goes where the money is. In a CBC interview years ago he stated that there was more money in seals than dolphins, now there is more money in whales than seals. Its all about media and money for him and nothing to do with conservation.
romika3

Below is the real list the endangered seals not the SSCS list.

Sea-lion, Steller (=northern) (Eumetopias jubatus)

Seal, Caribbean monk (Monachus tropicalis)

Seal, guadalupe fur (Arctocephalus townsendi)

Seal, Hawaiian monk (Monachus schauinslandi)

Seal, Mediterranean monk (Monachus monachus)

Why isn’t Watson doing something about these, some of which is in his own backyard. The reason is that in these cases there is not opportunity for him and his members to attack fishermen and the is no “blood in the water” for photo and video opportunities. I is well known that Watson has a seething hatred for all fishermen.