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Verbally abusing your vegan friends isn’t edgy, it’s just being a bully

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Society at large tends to condemn bullying and emotional abuse, but if the subject is a vegan, there’s an unofficial free pass floating in the air for anyone who wants to take it.

Picture this: I’m sitting at a meal with my friends, close friends, who happen to not be vegan. “Hey, did you see the photo of Lauren and that pig at the sanctuary?” one of them asks, pulling out her cellphone and passing it around the table. “Aw! I would just love to kill that thing and make a ton of bacon out of it,” one of the women says, elbowing me. I stare blankly at her, wondering in what world it’s appropriate to make such a loaded comment to someone you care about. The next day, I walk into my workplace, and my boss towers over me, smiling. “That’s a pig for eating!” he says. I assume he’s seen the photo as well. In the picture, I’m grinning, beaming really, over a massive, muddy hog that lazes happily in a puddle of dirt and grass in an open field. My hands are globbed with mud as I scratch at his belly, and it’s clear the both creatures in the photo are gleeful. It’s one of my favorite photos. It was taken at a local animal sanctuary, where, as expected, most of the animals inhabiting it are rescues, whether they fell from the back of a delivery truck or were found being kicked around in a parking lot by some bored teenagers. It is a peaceful place born out of unimaginable suffering.

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I can’t lie, when I heard my friend call the pig a piece of future bacon, what I heard was, “I couldn’t care less about the suffering the pig went through. I realize that you care deeply about something, and so I’ve decided to degrade and embarrass you.” It takes a certain kind of individual to turn to someone you respect, whose convictions run deep in their souls, and make a passing joke about taking the life of an animal with the intention to cause hurt. Okay, I say certain kind, but these individuals exist in no kind of shortage. Violent rhetoric aimed at vegans in the norm, it is socially acceptable, and it is inherently abusive. Is it because vegans are oppressed? No, that’s not the angle I’m taking here- it’s that abuse is repeated hostility and degradation from one person to another, and I’m so very sick of being the butt of those comments. 

Now don’t get me wrong, these comments come often from people I love, who are gentle in many other aspects of their lives. I’d like to give the benefit of the doubt and assume that they just don’t get it. I have been told that vegans should go to an island to die, by a group of men whom I care about, and been expected to laugh this off. I have been tricked, many times, into eating hidden dairy in a dish served to me, as a means of creating laughter for those watching. I have put up with vicious jabs from family friends, and been called weird and stupid. 

In January, Maria Chiorando of The Huffington Post published an article that made the assertion that mocking vegans means openly laughing at animal abuse, and I would agree that she is completely correct. She mentions the sexual and physical abuse that is the norm in animal production, and asks, how in the world is this a funny thing? It’s easy to make the disconnect as a meat-eater, I suppose. When you’re on top of the food chain and the social chain, there’s no comment that will go left unsaid.

I’ll take this a step further and say that on top of the hideousness surrounding making fun of animal abuse, it’s just plain fucked up and mean. It’s supremely nasty. It’s looking at a friend and disregarding something they have poured their hearts into, all for the good of- what? So you can feel better? So you can make them look small? I’ll admit it- vegans are small. We’re growing, but we’re in the little league when it comes to US population, and it puts us in a vulnerable position. Making your friends feel like shit and telling them they’re stupid is not cool or edgy, it is downright cruel. The worst part as a vegan, is that nobody other than your fellow vegans seem to realize this, and you’re left alone in a group again, being laughed at and shamed. This is me being vulnerable here: it fucking sucks. It’s one of the worst feelings in the world, knowing that something I work so hard to communicate compassionately, knowing that a part of my identity and who I am is going to be seen as a joke by people I love very much.

If you’re a vegan who has had to deal with this, and especially if you come from a background of being abused in other ways, you are absolutely not alone. It’s a hideous cross we carry around, but I do strongly feel that one day, maybe not in this lifetime, but one day, the world will find itself much kinder than it was before.

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  • Monica Achran Draper

    I fully understand what you are saying. One individual told me that he is here to convert me back to normalcy. He is no longer a part of my life. Unfortunately you may have to remove some of your wonderful friends from your life also .. and instead … search out others who are vegan. <3

    • Heidi Embrey

      Probably had nothing to do with your being vegan.

      • Monica Achran Draper

        If you are going to insult someone … you could at least show your face.

        • TeLin特林

          That’s what you consider an insult..?

          Here’s a better one, “you’re as thin skinned as your fruit and veggies.”

          • Steve Nelson

            Forgive her. When you don’t get proper nutrition it actually can make you aggressive and emotional.

    • Steve Nelson

      What to do when surrounded by people with opinions that conflict with yours? Get rid of them and surround yourself with more people that think exactly the same as you!

      That, ladies and gentlemen, is how extremism is created, and veganism is quite extreme indeed.

      • Amanda Kaye Stein

        It’s completely different to get rid of people who are meant to be your friend but mock and insult you, and getting rid of people with different opinions. I have lots of friends who dislike veganism, but they don’t insult me or make fun of me, and therefore I keep them in my life.

      • Carly Duncan

        You think Veganism is extreme. You kill thousands of innocent animals because you believe it’s ok to eat them. That is extreme. All vegans do is not eat dead animals how is that extreme. How is it wrong to not want to kill innocent animals and feed on their dead carcasses ?

  • Dylan Wentworth

    The underlying problem is how desensitized people have become to animal cruelty.
    For years I knew the baby back ribs came from pigs and I knew pigs were nice creatures that didn’t want to live a life of suffering but for some reason didn’t put 2 and 2 together.
    If you told someone that the BBQ ribs weren’t from pigs but from dogs or a horse its outrage. Yet there’s still no connection. Animal agriculture involves a great deal of psychology and the end result is the sort of bullying described here.

    • Vegan’s Mom

      I wonder what people would think of eating “dead pig ribs”, “dead cow burgers”, “turkey flesh sandwiches”, etc? Not too appealing, huh? I’m not a Vegan, but my 26-yr old daughter & her husband are. She is the kindest, most compassionate person I know & she’s raising her 2 yr old daughter to have the same love, compassion & respect for animals as she does! It’s a beautiful thing! I’ve heard rude, degrading comments too, for example we were at a farm where the public is invited to roam..There were turkeys, pigs, chickens etc walking around & my daughter & granddaughter were petting the pigs. Some as*hole says “mmm I LOVE bacon” & the kid with them says “yeah, me too”!! I couldn’t believe it! I asked the man what he was doing there then if he had no compassion for the animals he brought his kid to see–so insensitive !! My daughter thanked me for speaking up, but the ignorance & hyprocrisy really bothered me 🙁

      • Dylan Wentworth

        As for what people would think about eating dead cow burgers etc, it wouldn’t make a difference. People already know what animal died and in fact some of the packaging actually shows a picture of the animal! The brand Applegate Farms immediately comes to mind for putting a picture of the animals prominently on their packages.

        Perhaps if you called it horse burgers or dog ribs, that might have some effect because you may remember the horse meat scandal in Europe a few years ago. Horses and cows are very similar animals. Why is killing one species a huge outrage and the other doesnt get a second thought and I think you tapped into part of the cause which is conditioning children at an early age to view those animals as food. I never had that conditioning (one way or the other) , and reinforcement of pigs = bacon = yummy. I was just fed meat and told to finish my plate. That made me a prime candidate for figuring it out on my own.

        Why I went vegan can be summed up with one simple reason, animal suffering. I always like to tell people if they knew where their food came from they wouldn’t want to eat it anymore. The fact is I live near the poultry capital of the world and it’s common to see open cage trucks with chickens driving down the road and also to see dead chickens on the side of the road that manage to slip through the cages. That never sat right with me. Surely other people would see that also and by my logic, lead to a higher number on people who don’t consume poultry. But that definitely doesn’t appear to be the case. There is a higher than average number of chicken restaurants and zero vegan or vegetarian restaurants.

        I think the other two reasons are selfishness. People just don’t care. As long as they can block it out, they’re good.
        And chemical. Chicken staples, usually fried = Salt, sugar and fat = tasty. Breaking free from those chains can be really tough.

        But do note, if you try to unblock it from the selfish ones (most people) they will get pretty nasty and resort to the bullying to reassure themselves that pigs and cows = food . Pigs and cows =/= sentient beings desering of a cruelty free existence.

      • David Granger

        You are a hypocrite. You say you feel compassion for animals, and were shocked at the father and sons cruel comments, but everyday you eat meat yourself.
        If you care so much, become vegan yourself..otherwise you have no right to judge others when you are perpetuating the same cruelty yourself on a daily basis.

        • TeLin特林

          Bahahahahahah

          “one of us! One of us!”

    • TeLin特林

      “If you told someone that the BBQ ribs weren’t from pigs but from dogs or a horse its outrage. ”

      Unless we are talking about a nonwhite culture.

      And as the superior vegan culture we should change their culture.

      • Dylan Wentworth

        “Culture” isn’t an excuse to cause the needless suffering of animals. In some cultures it was common to make human sacrifices. That’s not a good excuse.

        • TeLin特林

          I agree…we must force then to stop. Our culture is better.

          • Dylan Wentworth

            I wouldn’t say one culture is better than the other. But making ethical choices doesn’t require a major overhaul of ones culture. I’m guessing Eastern cultures probably are already familiar with a wider array of vegan foods even if they do eat dogs.

          • TeLin特林

            True true, eastern cultures are better than western cultures. Even if they eat a wider array of animals. At least they are starting somewhere as far as vegan foods.

          • Melissa Opiel

            Well, I do think eastern cultures have way more vegan options than our western culture.

            A lot of the vegans in the US have to deal with our fellow ‘Muricans with bloodlust of women, war, and animals.
            It’s not so much as superiority, because we believe all are equal, including animals.
            One of our states is in a major drought from cattle farmers and our environment is wasted away.

            I feel that, as being a vegan in the US, I have no other option but to be defensive.
            Factory farming benefits the patriarchy and capitalism.
            I’ve been called a cunt, arrogant bitch, and one man said he would call me a “bitch to my tits” and punch me when I was nonaggressive.

          • TeLin特林

            “Factory farming benefits the patriarchy and capitalism.”

            Bahaha.

            I guess you buying vegan products doesn’t benefit capitalism. Ok.

            Men make women eat meat….the feminist conspiracy theories keep surprising me.

            Let’s all live in a Marxist Communist Vegan world!

          • I’m pretty sure environmental causes have little to do with “patriarchy”

  • vegan truth seeker

    I’m sorry for saying this but you should get better friends… friends and family who truly love you will respect you for who you are and will go out of their way to make you feel appreciated, respected and loved!

    I have no problem cutting ties with family, friends or whoever if they ever disrespect me when it comes to veganism!

    One of the main reasons why vegans are often made fun of is because actually most vegans tend to feel almost ashamed for being vegan… I know the feeling, I’ve been there (not anymore), but hey WTF, we’re not doing anything wrong, animal abusers are!!

    Also, non-veg*ans (= animal abusers) are cowards and weak because they either refuse to see the truth (they can’t handle it) or are too weak to have the guts to face reality and turn vegan!

    So let’s be more active, damn proud of being vegan and stop taking sh** from animal abusers!
    And if they don’t like us, tough, let them deal with it!

    One thing is trying to educate people and make them see the truth by being diplomatic and ‘gentle’, another completely different is to take sh** from them for being vegan – that I will not accept!

    • Lalasunflower

      Oh vegan truth seeker… do you really think I’m that gentle?! lol!

      • vegan truth sseker

        Yes, but in a good way, not in a ‘being a pushover’ way 🙂

        You strike me as a strong, independent, intelligent and sensitive woman 🙂

        Nevertheless, one can be ‘gentle’ when educating certain people who are willing to at least listen to what we have to say… I can be both gentle and extremely harsh depending on the person I have in front of me.

        However, when it comes to disrespecting my lifestyle, well then I’m quite ferocious 🙂

    • obxmaureen

      ashamed for being vegan?!? That is one thing i am not!

      • vegan truth seeker

        Good for you! 🙂

        But unfortunately there are still many vegans who are ‘afraid’ of being made fun of and being almost interrogated for their choice, and so they just keep a low profile.

        Fortunately though there are more and more vegans speaking out and making their presence known which helps the rest to have the strength to fully embrace their veganism…

        • David Granger

          Some people dont understand any of the reasons about being vegan. I agree, some are ashamed to ask…others dont know the correct context to ask. These people might may jokes about it, but some of them might actually be trying to understand more about it. Its just their way…. just gently explain your position to them…

  • AlpineDan

    Some people are followers; others are free thinkers. The followers accepted human slavery back in the 1800s. The free thinkers rejected it. Are you a follower or a free thinker? Free thinkers in 2016 are either vegan or at least think it’s a good idea. Followers, generally being less secure, sometimes pack together to poke fun at those who have the nerve to think for themselves. They’re not worth our time.

    • Dan Ellingsen

      I would disagree with your statement. I believe that vegans verbally abusing their meat-eating friends isn’t edgy, it’s just being a bully as well. Many people who eat meat are ‘free thinkers’ many vegans are ‘followers’. There is no one correct path.

      • AlpineDan

        “Many people who own slaves are ‘free thinkers’ many abolitionists are ‘followers’. There is no one correct path.”

        This is what slaveholders would have said back in 1850.

        • Dan Ellingsen

          Thank you; you are proving my point.

          • AlpineDan

            Good, I’m glad you think I’m proving your point. Stay confused. It will save us time on any further discussion.

    • Heidi Embrey

      So you are bullying me and saying I’m not a free thinker because I’m not vegan? You are absurd.

      • KT

        Vegan is justice. If you aren’t vegan you don’t think about justice. We will not be free till all cages are empty both mentally and physically. Open your heart. Heal your body through what you put on your plate. Cancer or health? A free thinker is one that questions why. A vegan has asked that question of themselves and others countless times. A vegan knows the truth and acts on it. The non violent action is the way to peace and those that refuse to see and choose to ignore it will continue to be butt hurt.

        • TeLin特林

          “Vegan is justice. If you aren’t vegan you don’t think about justice”

          Justice for animals is justice for all animals.

          When a nonvegan/meateater/savage makes a “joke” they show how butthurt they are, but when I make jokes and lighthearted insults to change their way I’m buttfelt.

      • Melissa Opiel

        You’re on a vegan page! Why are you here?

        We are bullies because we don’t want animals to die? That is absurd!

  • David Granger

    Wow…lighten up and dont take yourself so seriously.
    Im a veggy too but I dont get on my soapbox when friends make veggy jokes… its playful banter.. chill out and enjoy the moment.

    Ps… you (and me) can do our bit to follow our values, but you cant change the world, so learn to have a laugh…they are your friends for godsakes!!

    • Kira

      You CAN change the world. Vegans HAVE been changing the world and will continue to do so.

    • Neil Grey

      There’s a difference between banter and bullying. The opening line hits it right on the nose that “there’s an unofficial free pass floating in the air for anyone who wants to take it”. I don’t go around advertising my diet / values, but yet I’ve had more than a couple occasions where it came up and the other person immediately made a totally left-field asshole comment degrading me; so making the assumption that someone takes themselves too seriously or that they need to lighten up is a pretty big generalization; it’s the bully who’s doing all the talking — so projecting their abuse onto the receiver by implying they’re a tightwad just compounds the problem.

    • Pamela

      Did you miss the part of the article that said “I have been tricked, many times, into eating hidden dairy in a dish served to me, as a means of creating laughter for those watching”? This goes way beyond playful banter.

      • David Granger

        Wow…what happened after unintentionally consuming dairy…did you shrink like the Wicked Witch of the West?

        • Lalasunflower

          David started a Disqis account it seems, for the mere and only purpose of trolling. Don’t feed this poor, hungry soul.

          • David Granger

            No…this is the only thread worth commenting on. Plus it vibes with my personal platform of Dont Let Vegans Give Vegans a Bad Name.

        • Pamela

          You call yourself a “veggy”, but you can’t see anything wrong with purposely tricking vegans into eating animal products?

          As a matter of fact, I DO melt like the Wicked Witch of the West when I consume dairy. Well, at least my asshole does. Flaming liquid shit pours out of there for days. Too bad I don’t know where you live or I’d leave some for you outside your front door. 🙂

          • Lalasunflower

            Bahaha! I love my readers.

          • David Granger

            Passive-aggressive. You should talk to someone about that. Like your father…

          • Pamela

            All I did was tell you what happens to me when I consume dairy. You asked, I answered. Yeah, there was snark in there, but you were pretty rude yourself so I’m not sure what the problem was there.

            I don’t need to talk to anyone, but you sure do. You call yourself a vegan, but then you say that vegans who get upset when they’re tricked into eating animal products are “giving vegans a bad name”. Considering the fact that most meat eaters know that it’s not okay to do that, it’s very clear that you’re batshit fucking crazy. Seek professional help.

    • Joe L.

      David, you missed the point. As a veggie and not vegan you show that you can ignore what is in your face to justify your own weakness.

  • Factual Vegan

    tl;dr: You need to get thicker skin. My friends tease each other all the time about EVERYTHING. Its just banter. Get over yourself.

    • David Granger

      I agree 100%. Get over yourself. You give vegans a bad name.

  • Lyz

    Thank you for this :). It’s funny how if it were aimed at anyone else, it would be called “bullying” – yet vegans are supposed to just take it as “banter” ? Respect goes both ways, and if someone can’t accept and respect my life choices, then I won’t accept them into my life. There is a huge difference between friends making the occasional jokes – and being the subject of incessant bullying and harrasment. How some people can say “lighten up” at vegans being tricked into eating animal products is beyond me! People need to start showing each other some more respect.

    • TeLin特林

      Banter about animals is just as bad as “banter” about slavery. It’s exactly the same thing.

      And my comparison of a “meateater” to a racist bigot isn’t banter, it’s leading them to the light.

  • Brian Gillingham

    Thank you for writing this. So many of us vegans have been bullied just like this and it helps to read what you wrote. Since reading this from somebody’s facebook page, I have shared it myself. I must tell you that a lot of people have re-shared it as well as commented on how great it is to read something like this. Thanks again! 🙂

  • Zenster

    The assumption is people should know better and behave better, but the fact that the horrors and abuse of factory farming even exist is because humans have sunk so low. The only way to deal is to avoid dealing with it at all costs and the easiest way is to act as if murdering a pig is actually fun and funny. This furthers the argument that humans are monsters and total pieces of shit. In the end, we will all die from airborne viruses that hatched in the very horrific animal agriculture conditions, most like in China – a prime source if everything despicable in humanity.

    For the Super Bowl 1.2 billion chicken wings were eaten which means 600 million chickens were murdered – all so some fucking asshole piece-o-shit humans could say Yum while they drank their Budweiser.

    So next time your asshole friends make a mean Vegan joke, give me a call and I will be happy to beat the living shit out of them and then say you make good bacon.

    • David Granger

      Wow… so your gonna beat up humans for saying jokes about animals.
      What kind of sociopath are you?

      • Zenster

        I am a Samuel L Jackson style Vegan, motherfucker

      • Señorita_Sofía

        omg, there is a difference between empty words and actually committing abuse, murder and slavery. All of which animal-eaters do.

    • Freddy Benson

      Love it when douchebag vegans say that animals are murdered. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

      What if I have a ranch and raise and slaughter my own animals and eat them. You’ll still have some dumbass comment against that which I’ll also take lightly.

      • Pamela

        Well, you’d be killing a sentient being that doesn’t want to die for totally arbitrary reasons, so I’m not really sure how that’s a good argument against veganism.

        • Freddy Benson

          Ooo, your command of the English language is so edgy. The sad part is you don’t see I have no argument against veganism. I really don’t care. More animal flesh for me. lol

          • Pamela

            I didn’t realize that using basic English is seen as an attempt to be “edgy”. Tell me how I should word it so that I don’t come off as pretentious.

            If you have no arguments against veganism, why are you even commenting?

          • Freddy Benson

            While not disputing “sentient being”, your vocabulary knowledge is eclipsed by your social stupidity of what is and isn’t common word use.

            Anyone can easily see that I am addressing the whining about imaginary vegan bullying. What part of I don’t care if someone is a vegan are you confused about? It’s the crazies like you who have the problem with animal flesh eaters.

          • Pamela

            Are you trying to say that the word “arbitrary” isn’t commonly used? Maybe you don’t hear it a lot, but I certainly do. In my opinion, it’s the only appropriate word to use in this situation.

            I’m not sure why you insist that vegan bullying is imaginary. I’ve seen it firsthand. A friend of mine brought a vegan dish to a potluck at work. One of her new co-workers threw the entire dish in the trash and then shoved a picture of a deer that he killed in her face. Her other co-workers laughed. The person who wrote this article was tricked into eating dairy as a joke. She’s far from the only one I know of that this has happened to. Another friend of mine left her two potbelly pigs in the care of someone who she thought was her friend. The “friend” sent her a video of the pigs being fed bacon. She was cackling in the background and going “Look, they’re eating their cousins!”

            Okay, once again, if you don’t care, why are you commenting?

          • Freddy Benson

            What part of “sentient” which I pointed out, don’t you understand?

          • Pamela

            I figured when you said that you weren’t going to argue with my usage of the word “sentient”, that meant that you knew that it was the only appropriate word to use in this instance. By process of elimination, the only other word that you could have been referring to was “arbitrary”. My bad for thinking you weren’t a complete fucking dipshit. I can’t believe that anyone thinks that sentient is a big word. Perhaps it’s because I’m in a bunch of vegan groups, but I see that word used on a daily basis. Anyway, didn’t you declare yourself “the winner” and insist you were done with this? What happened to that?

          • Freddy Benson

            I didn’t say I wouldn’t dispute the use of “sentient”. I said I don’t dispute that that is what they are. Big difference. But I enjoyed flushing out the real and dirty-mouthed cunt and whore that you are and who you tried so hard to mask here on the Internet, with $5 words. lol
            I win.

          • Pamela

            Who said I was trying to mask anything? I always call out stupidity when I see it, and claiming that “sentient” is a word that people use when they’re trying to look edgy is about as stupid as one can get. I’m having a hard time believing that you genuinely think that. It’s one of the most commonly used words in discussions and debates about veganism.

            You sure are a real winner, buddy.

          • Freddy Benson

            Yes, I win. And thank God I don’t live in your whack job bubble with your Tofurkey jerk off friends. Vegans are like the 1% of sodomites (which you probably are) who think the world give a rat fuck about your anxieties and time wasting causes. Run along now, and shape your veggies into a burger. Burgers you imitate which were invented to cook delicious animal flesh. You people don’t realize how sad you are, while we enjoy our animal flesh eating lives. I’m having pickled lamb’s tongue tonight with some yummy foie gras.

          • Pamela

            Wow, what an angry, bitter person you are. You shouldn’t feel bad for me. I’m the one who should be feeling bad for you. Your hostility is a tell tale sign of how miserable you are. I hope you find happiness one day.

          • Freddy Benson

            No, you don’t. You’re a calculating bitter cunt who hates meat eaters and the slaughterhouse industry that feed us. Save the passive-aggressive crap and try to find a new word besides miserable. You sound so miserable always using it. lol

          • Pamela

            I do hate the meat industry, but I haven’t said anything that indicates that I hate meat eaters. You just hate all vegans so you figure that all vegans hate meat eaters.

            There you go with attacking my usage of certain words. Do you have any better arguments than that? It’s starting to get old.

          • Freddy Benson

            Pammy, I pity vegans, I don’t hate them. Pssst, I don’t care if you don’t like me attacking your lame use of words.

          • Pamela

            “And thank God I don’t live in your whack job bubble with your Tofurkey jerk off friends. Vegans are like the 1% of sodomites (which you probably are) who think the world give a rat fuck about your anxieties and time wasting causes.”
            Those are not things you say about people that you pity. Those are things you say about people that you hate. You hate vegans and as a result, you automatically assume vegans hate meat eaters.

            I’m not telling you to stop attacking the words I use because “I don’t like it”. I’m telling you that it looks straight up stupid. It looks like you have nothing else to say but you’re so dead set on proving that you’re “the winner” that you have to make up something.

          • Freddy Benson

            HAHAHA, another entertaining Internet sodomite stranger struggling to control another Internet stranger. And it’s free! lol

          • Pamela

            How on earth is replying to your comments an attempt to control you?

          • Freddy Benson

            I don’t care about the subject matter, but I enjoy antagonizing you, personally.

          • KT

            Some part of you must see the light otherwise you wouldn’t be so adamant about your apathy. If you truly don’t care you would not need to praise your insanity. Heal your body open your heart. Why? Why? Why? Do you want to be a mental slave? Cause you eat death on your plate? Oh but you are proud of death so that makes it ok? Nope. All it does is keep you in the same mindset and non life as everyone else. How original! Mmmmmmmmmm bacon!!! But you are not interesting cause you say what all the masses say anyway. Just a fuck boy bro who is proud of their lack of self respect! Go you. You win the asshat card. Grow some compassion for yourself maybe then you will find it in another earth bound creature.

          • Freddy Benson

            How long are you visiting us here on our planet, douchebag?

          • Freddy Benson

            Many people believe that plants have feelings. And, “fuck boy bro”? You need hot dog with some beef chili on it, stat.

  • obxmaureen

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” – Mahatma Gandhi

  • You say “Making your friends feel like shit and telling them they’re stupid is not cool or edgy” and this is true, but really it says more about what kind of people they are than anything. Clearly they are not very insightful in more ways than one.

  • MNLoonaTick

    “She mentions the sexual and physical abuse that is the norm in animal production…”
    Sexual abuse is the norm in animal production? Really?

    • Josh

      In animal production, males are routinely castrated, while a smaller number are raped to extract their semen. Females are then forcibly impregnated, and often their babies taken from them shortly after birth.

      • MNLoonaTick

        Do tell me “how” they are “raped” to extract semen…Does someone jump out of the bushes, or maybe drag them into an alley?
        You’re going to have a hard time convincing me of this as I’ve actually spent time on farms, and have seen how artificial insemination is done.

        • Josh

          Nobody needs to jump out of a bush for there to be rape. Simply sexual contact without consent.

          • MNLoonaTick

            You sound like one of those “Animals are equal to and better than people” people…

          • Josh

            Value is subjective. If you want to argue that it’s OK for animals to be raped then you’re entitled to that opinion. But the original question was simply whether or not they were raped, not whether or how bad that was.

          • MNLoonaTick

            Yep. DEFINITELY in the “Animals are better than people” camp.

          • Josh

            You’re shifting the topic midway through the discussion. Again, this whole debate stared with you questioning whether or not animals were in fact raped in the industry. If you’re ready to to acknowledge that they are in fact raped, then we can move on to talking about whether or not it’s bad for them to be raped.

          • MNLoonaTick

            Not at all. You are in the “Animals Are Better Than People Camp”.

          • MNLoonaTick

            I am in fact NOT ready to “acknowledge that they are raped”, because they are not “raped” to obtain semen. You seem to have a very broad definition of “rape”. You are definitely in the “Animals are better than people” camp.

          • Josh

            My definition of rape is sexual acts done without consent. What is yours?

            Further, your claim that I believe that “Animals are better than people” doesn’t logically follow.

            There are actually at least five logical possibilities here:

            1. A person could believe, as you claim that animals are “better than people.”
            2. One could believe that they’re equal in value to people – no better or no worse – in which case they would oppose the animals being raped.
            3. One could believe that animals are not as good/valuable as people but still oppose them being raped.
            4. One could believe that animals are not as good/valuable as people, and feel that so strongly that they believe that it’s OK to rape animals.
            5. One could believe that animals are not as good/valuable as people, and feel that so strongly that they don’t even think that it’s possible to rape an animal.

            You seem to be a #5 above. You’ve drawn a false dichotomy though between #5 and #1, when in fact there are numerous other possibilities. So just a suggestion, but you might want to brush up a bit on your logic before continuing this debate here with me!

          • MNLoonaTick

            So are you saying that every sex act in the animal world (between two animals, let me make that perfectly clear) is rape? Because animals cannot give “consent” per se, but can only “submit”.

          • Josh

            Setting aside the philosophical question of whether or not animals can give consent, let’s assume for now that you’re correct in this premise.

            I think a good analogy then would be children. If two children mess around with each other sexually on their own initiative, then this is generally not considered to be rape, but if an adult initiates sexual contact with a child then it is.

          • David Granger

            So if extracting semen from an animal without its consent is against your ideals (#6 above…whacko), how do you define a cow submitting to having his semen extracted for IVF because he hasnt been able to impregnate his favorite mate naturally and it is bumming him out….is that ok?

          • Josh

            Except that’s never happened.

          • MNLoonaTick

            NOT a good analogy- children are NOT animals, and vice versa. You keep conflating animals with humans, which is not accurate at all.

          • Josh

            You’re apparently not familiar with the concept of an analogy. It’s a way of illustrating a similar relationship (in a given situation) with *different* things. If they were the same in every way then it wouldn’t be an analogy!

            If people below the age of consent have sex with each other then this is generally not considered rape. Likewise when animals have sex with each other. But if an adult has sex with a child or a human engages in sexual activities with an animal then it is.

          • MNLoonaTick

            So, eating meat is the moral equivalent of child molestation?

          • Josh

            Sigh…You really don’t know how to use logic very well.

            1. Analogous relationship does not mean moral equivalence.

            2. Even if it were then then the equivalent action would be having sex with the animals, while meat eating would be equivalent to cannibalism of children.

            #DoubleLogicFail

          • MNLoonaTick

            You already accuse meat eaters of animal sexual abuse. Not sure if that is the “equivalent” of having sex with the animals…You espouse some strange theories, Josh.

          • Josh

            The meat industry. Meat eaters fund that industry. Most of them don’t directly carry out the sexual abuse themselves.

            And you still haven’t refuted that. You simply make appeals to the fact that it’s common and widely accepted, therefore it supposedly can’t be “sexual abuse.” Again, logic fail.

          • MNLoonaTick

            But you ARE saying that sexual abuse is carried out, and that “most of them don’t directly carry out the sexual abuse themselves”. So that that means that you believe that some of them DO “directly carry out the sexual abuse themselves.”
            I may not have “refuted” the charges of wanton sexual abuse in the meat industry ( you used the word RAPE to describe it, by the way) , but neither have you “proven” this whacky theory, other than showing that you passionately believe in it to the point of arguing about it for two weeks now.

          • Josh

            “So that that means that you believe that some of them DO “directly carry out the sexual abuse themselves.””

            Presumably at least some of the people who work in the meat industry also eat meat.

            “I may not have “refuted” the charges of wanton sexual abuse in the meat
            industry ( you used the word RAPE to describe it, by the way) , but
            neither have you “proven” this whacky [sic] theory…”

            You’re the one with the theory that sexual abuse and rape are automatically not sexual abuse and rape if the victims happen to be animals and it’s carried out as part of the process of meat production. As far as I’m concerned it’s you who has the burden of proof here.

            “…you passionately believe in it to the point of arguing about it for two weeks now.”

            Pure speculation on your part. It could well be that I just like to have the last word in a debate….

            You keep commenting here too. Does that mean that you’re “passionate,” or do you just like having the last word? 😛

            Classifying an idea as “wacky” prejudices the discussion. I also didn’t use the adjective “wanton,” as you presented it here, as this is also subjective and would prejudice the discussion. As I several comments above, one can argue that the sexual abuse/rape is justified or acceptable, but it’s a matter of fact that animals are sexually abused in the modern meat industry. We’re all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts.

          • MNLoonaTick

            “…but it’s a matter of fact that animals are sexually abused in the modern meat industry.”
            No, it’s a matter of OPINION.
            As you said, “We’re all entitled to our own opinions, but not our own facts.”
            Your passionately held opinion does NOT make it a fact.

          • Josh

            I’m simply using plain language here. When a person does things like extracting semen and insemination without consent then this is sexual abuse. Sexual contact without consent is abuse.

            You obviously feel very passionately that when this is done to animals that it’s justified, and you’re entitled to that opinion, but it doesn’t change the basic facts of the situation.

            What we basically have here is you demanding a form of political correctness because simply calling things what they are without using euphemisms makes you uncomfortable.

          • MNLoonaTick

            You are free to espouse all the whacky theories you want. And I’m free to say that your theories are full of it.

            “What we basically have here is you demanding a form of political correctness because simply calling things what they are without using euphemisms makes you uncomfortable.”

          • Josh

            You’re free to say what you want, but that doesn’t meant that you’re right. And simply labeling what I’m saying a “theory” (it’s not) or adding the mis-spelled adjective “whacky” does not make that the case.

            Again, you’re uncomfortable with calling things what they are, but I don’t care. I not going to avoid plain straight forward language which you happen to find offensive. I
            reject political correctness and call things exactly what they are 🙂

          • MNLoonaTick

            “You’re free to say what you want, but that doesn’t meant that you’re right. And simply labeling what I’m saying a “theory” (it’s not)”…
            It is ONLY a theory. A whacky theory.

          • Josh

            You’re now not only horrible at logic, but horribly repetitive, and you don’t even know how to spell the word “wacky.”

          • MNLoonaTick

            Let me ask you this- how do you feel about spaying and neutering pets?

          • Josh

            This is a medical procedure done without consent. One can argue that it serves the greater good, and indeed even most vegans advocate neuter/spay, but this doesn’t change the reality of what it is. Throughout this discussion you have conflated two very different concepts: whether or not something might be OK/justified on the one hand, and whether or not something should be called what it is on the other.

            You obviously feel that the goal of producing a large supply of meat makes the sexual abuse of animals which helps facilitate it justified. You are entitled to that opinion. What I won’t go along with though is your insistence on avoiding plain straight forward language which you happen to find offensive. I reject political correctness and call things exactly what they are 🙂

          • MNLoonaTick

            More whacky theories on your part…

          • Josh

            You’re now not only horrible at logic, but you’re also horribly repetitive…and you don’t even know how to spell the word “wacky.”

          • MNLoonaTick

            Yes, “Spelling-Nazism” really helps you cement your non-case…What a whacky person you are! I hope you can find enough roots and berries to live on, as it would be unethical for you to eat anything harvested with modern technology. Don’t you know gas and diesel fuel are made from poor defenseless dinosaurs?

          • Josh

            Another logical fallacy here. Straw man. You obviously can’t win on this point so now you’re just talking about a bunch of random shit and trying to argue with things that I didn’t even say. And you’d been told several times already that “whacky” wasn’t even the right way to spell the word, yet you keep using it. A perfect illustration of the willful ignorance you’ve been displaying so much of here!

          • MNLoonaTick

            Like I said, enjoy your whacky lifestyle choice- I’m not oppressing you. You’ve accused me of being the equivalent of a child molester, animal rape-supporter and a cannibal. You’ve been told several times that you are wrong, but you still hew to the fallacy of “sexually molested animals”.
            If you are so stridently vegan, I expect you to walk everywhere, and never wear leather, and to eat only roots and berries that you dig yourself. ( Or is it OK to exploit human labor? From the tone your posts, I would imagine so.)

          • Josh

            Once again you’ve shown that you can’t win a debate with me on the things that I’ve actually said, so you have to instead just make up a bunch of stuff which I didn’t say and then argue with that. More straw-man and willful “whacky” [sic] ignorance on your part.

          • MNLoonaTick

            “If two children mess around with each other sexually on their own initiative, then this is generally not considered to be rape, but if an adult initiates sexual contact with a child then it is.”

          • Josh

            Yes, I was detailing an analogy. Of course you probably don’t even understand the concept of what an analogy is!

          • MNLoonaTick

            Who said I’m “debating” you? You ARE whacky, as in “whack job”, as in “whacking off”, as in “crack is whack”. Now go eat your fair-trade roots and berries, O Whacky One.

          • Josh

            You were trying to debate, but now you’ve given up since it’s clear that you can’t win. With every juvenile word that you type you’re telling me that you’re incapable of a logical debate on the issue, and I’m like “yes, I know!”

          • MNLoonaTick

            What you’re doing is hardly called a “debate”. Your position is “I’m right and therefore there can be no other possible way to see this situation.” Which is pretty whacky.
            A vegan, an atheist and a cross-fit trainer walk into a bar. How does everyone know? Because within five minutes they told everyone there.

          • Josh

            Like I said already, you’re entitled to your own opinions, but not to your own facts. There are any number of possible ways of seeing things in terms of an ethical position, but not in terms of using plain language to describe the basic facts of the situation. Your entire position is based on using politically correct euphemisms because you’re offended by the implications of calling things for what they are.

          • MNLoonaTick

            Yes, you said that already, a couple of times now.
            “Yes, I was detailing an analogy. Of course you probably don’t even understand the concept of what an analogy is!”
            An analogy is comparing one thing to something else. So, eating meat is “like” child molestation, but “without” having sex with a child.
            There is no political correctness in my saying that your theories of animal sexual abuse in the course of meat production (and that is ALL they are, theories) are a load of horse manure. THAT’S the “basic fact” of your position.
            I wonder if you think it’s OK to swat a fly? That would be murder, according to you. Spraying for mosquitoes would qualify as animal sexual abuse, according to you, because such spraying disrupts their reproductive cycle.
            More whacky theories on your part.

          • Josh

            No, you don’t understand what an analogy is. An analogy is comparing two different sets of things which have a similar relationship with each other. In my analogy, I compared children’s lack of ability to give valid sexual consent with animals. In both cases though, children messing around with each other, or animals messing around with each other is not abuse, but if an adult has sexual contact with a child or a human with an animal then this is abuse. This does not draw a value equivalence between children and animals – it simply illustrates an analogous relationship – but you’ve repeatedly shown that you’re not capable of this sort of abstract thinking so it goes right over your head!

            With your fly example, killing a fly is killing it. One can debate over whether or not that’s OK or justified, but not over whether or not it’s actually killing.

            And it’s the same with the sexual abuse in meat production. You can say that you believe the sexual abuse is OK because it makes the production of meat more efficient, and you’re entitled to that opinion. But to deny the facts just because they offend you is to deny the basic reality.

            Of course there are some more traditional farms where they just kill the animals but allow them to have sex with each other without involvement in the process, and of course similar with hunting. But in most of the modern day meat industry sexual abuse is a key component of the process.

          • MNLoonaTick

            Blah, blah blah.

          • MNLoonaTick

            “An analogy is comparing one thing to something else. ”
            “An analogy is comparing two different sets of things which have a similar relationship with each other.”
            WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE?

          • Josh

            The difference is that the two things aren’t the same or even necessarily similar in any way other than the aspect being compared. It’s only the *relevant relationship* in question.

            For example, if there’s a horribly corrupt governor named Johnson who recently resigned, and one of the things (among many) that he did while in office was to provide the option of free all-day kindergarten throughout the state. Then, after his resignation, someone says “we should immediately get rid of that free all-day kindergarten because it was enacted by that awful governor Johnson and his cronies in the legislature.”

            Then, in response, someone else makes an analogy: “Hitler built Autobahns, and that was a good thing, even though Hitler in general was very bad.”

            So what’s NOT being stated here:

            *That Johnson is the same, or as bad as, Hitler.

            *That free all-day kindergarten is the same as Autobahns.

            The only thing being compared here is the relationship between a generally bad politician and the good things that even he will sometimes do. With the point being that a policy can’t be automatically rejected simply because it was enacted by somebody bad – it must be argued for or against on its own merits.

          • David Granger

            Im NOT advocating eating meat…but being at the top of the food chain is quite nice. You can go catch the train to work without having to worry about being eaten for someones breakfast on the way from home.

            Be careful about saying animals are nicer than humans. If you werent top of the food chain, those same animals would be eating you. There are no such things as vegetarian carnivores in the animal kingdom (a meat eating animal that CHOOSES to live off vegetables).

        • Debra Knowles-Palumbo

          The time you’ve spent on ‘farms’ cannot possibly give you an understanding of the type of procedures that are the norm in the large scale meat industry. Please educate yourself to the reality of the meat industry.

        • David Granger

          Hahaha. I raped myself whilst watching porn yesterday. Hahaha!!!

      • Jan Hoadley

        So sexual abuse is all around us. Castration of livestock is wrong then castration and spaying pets is also wrong.

  • Elliot Katz

    The words and actions behind “Animal Guardian” and “Animal Guardianship” reminds us and others that “non human animals” are fellow beings who feel love, joy, pain and loss, who deserve to be treated with respect, compassion, protection and love. That they are not commodities, property, objects or things to be “owned,” bought and sold, abandoned, exploited and killed for profit, amusement, food or when they are no longer useful or wanted.” Elliot M. Katz, DVM, Founder and President Emeritus, In Defense of Animals. Director, The Animal Guardian campaign.

  • Ursula2007

    Found this online. Seems apropos.

    “The problem isn’t, ‘Vegans don’t have a sense of humor.’ The problem is that you think the abuse and slaughter of billions of animals is funny.”

    • Freddy Benson

      Who said it’s funny.

      • Greenfinch

        It’s usually a good idea to read the article before commenting.

        • Freddy Benson

          It was only implied that mocking vegans was laughing at animal abuse. One person’s imagination, but again, no fact of any one person “laughing.” So, fuck your good idea, douchebag. I did read it.

  • Pamela

    People have fed you dairy as a joke? Not to sound bitchy, but you should remove these people from your life. At the very least, keep them at arms length. They do NOT care about you.

  • Freddy Benson

    Just be sure to write a story about and actively protest the asshole vegetarians who bully me for eating animal meat. You do know that if God didn’t want us to eat animals, He wouldn’t have made them out of food.

    • AltThoughts

      By that logic, we should all be cannibals too. Unless God actually spoke to you personally, that argument is a complete cop out. It’s like the Jihadists who twist the word of Islam for their own psychotic beliefs.

      • Freddy Benson

        Sure.

      • Heidi Embrey

        If you eat a human you get prions disease. You don’t get prions diseases from eating meat. omg..

        • Greenfinch

          You obviously never heard of people getting vCJD from eating cows with BSE (mad cow disease) then.

        • Señorita_Sofía

          instead you get cancer, heart disease, diabetes and other chronic diseases, enjoy!

    • Pamela

      So, how exactly to they “bully” you?

      • Freddy Benson

        Pamela, there are many psycho militant vegans and you know it.

        • Pamela

          I didn’t ask whether or not there were militant vegans. I asked how they go about bullying you. Is it truly so terrible that you have to try to hijack a conversation about the bullying that vegans go through and make it all about your struggles as a poor, oppressed meat eater? Is it so bad that it justifies sneaking animal products into a vegan’s food as a “joke” even if the vegan in question had nothing to do with the “bullying”?

          • Freddy Benson

            This isn’t my first Internet rodeo, honey. I’ve exchanged many times before with you food animal huggers who go on and on about the inhumane treatment. Like I said, even if I had my own ranch and raised and slaughtered my animals to eat, you’d still be whining. I’m done. I win because I don’t care. Adieu.

          • Pamela

            So in other words, vegans talking about the inhumane treatment of animals is how they bullied you? Wow, I never knew that. Thanks for enlightening me. Now, whenever someone asks me if I’m vegan, I’m just going to say “I can’t tell you because I don’t want you to think I’m bullying you”.

            You act like it would be unreasonable for vegans to be upset if you raised and slaughtered your own livestock. The whole point is that we don’t think animals should be used or killed for our pleasure, so of course we’re going to be upset. It doesn’t matter to us how “nice” you are before you kill them. The whole issue is that they’re killed in the first place.

            Hahahahahaha I hope you know how stupid it looks when you declare yourself the “winner” of an argument. Granted, I wasn’t even trying to argue. I just asked a simple question. You decided to blow things out of proportion.

      • Heidi Embrey

        Look at this page and you will see..anyone not vegan is not a free thinker? Anyone who eats meat is torturing animals, and might as well eat a human, and so on? I’m vegetarian and ashamed to be because you people make vegetarians look like morons.

        • Pamela

          Heidi, you do realize that the “eating humans” thing was only in response to the statement “if God didn’t want us to eat animals, He wouldn’t have made them out of food”, right? Oh wait, of course you don’t. You’re just going to choose to interpret every single thing that vegans say as offensive. That’s the only way you can justify attacking innocent vegans like Monica Achran Draper. I would have actually kept an open mind to what you said, but now I can’t take anything that you say seriously because of your hypocrisy. You’re just as bad as the vegans that you claim are making you look bad.

  • Horrified Read

    AS harsh as this sounds, you have poor judgement in choosing your friends. Any valid points you made about a vegan being bullied were quickly countered by comments from violent vegans. I would of hoped a vegan or two would of stepped up and renounced the violence suggested at non vegans. Not a single vegan stepped up. It makes it appear that vegans not only believe in bullying is acceptable, but out right physical violence is acceptable towards non vegans.

  • I have never experienced outright abuse as a vegan, but then again I might have chosen not to interpret my asshole friends’ remarks as significant. I am thankful at my workplace for every person who whispers “bacon” as he/she walks by my office because it means they see me and they think of the animals. It’s important to constantly work to improve our communication skills as vegans so that every joke, every jab, insult, comment becomes a chance to educate. “What’s important to remember is that animals have to suffer to become our food, so we can choose to eat other foods.” Something that is innocuous but truthful, and we need to drop those truth bombs CONSTANTLY. The friends depicted in this essay are acting like assholes because they know they are wrong and are feeling guilty.

  • dancingwaters

    The type of comments you describe I’ve also heard. And on top of that I’ve been given food by acquaintances assuring me it was vegan when it turned out to contain either dead animal parts or fluids. There are even restaurants and salad bars that do the same–or sell supposedly non-dairy cheese when it contains casein, a harmful milk protein found in all dairy. The day after I spoke with a woman at a super market about her wearing a mink coat, nearly ten other women in fur crossed my path making eye contact with me as if to bait me into confronting them. A preacher who learned I was an animal activist began praising bacon to the skies in his sermons and ridiculing the notion of animal rights. The battle for liberation is going to be a long one.

  • CobwebsandAshes

    I think a lot of people do this because, subconsciously, they are angry at vegans for forcing them to think about where their food comes from and the true cost of getting it on the plate. We practice some pretty heavy cognitive dissonance in American culture when it comes to animals–we love cats and dogs, we bring children to petting zoos, we make movies about talking farm animals managing to avoid slaughter and then take our kids out for hot dogs and chicken wings afterward. Most people wouldn’t be able to handle watching video footage of the way farm animals are treated, and I know plenty of people who won’t eat veal but will happily consume tons of dairy (which directly supports the veal industry).

    The mythical figure that is the judgmental and militant vegan is trotted out to excuse defensive, rude, and even outright nasty commentary and behavior toward vegans, though I have rarely encountered vegans that are the least bit pushy about it. The truth is that deep down, lots of people know that factory farming is horrific and full of torture, but they don’t want to know it. They want to just eat whatever they like and gang up on anyone whose choices cause them to feel even a tiny twinge of guilt.

    A co-worker once asked me what I was eating. I answered, “curried tofu.” He then went on a rant about how rigid and humorlessly judgmental vegans are, when I had literally done nothing but answer his question about what I was having for lunch. This shit is so exhausting.

    • KT

      What vegans have is authenticity. This often translates to judgement cause if comes from it. We do judge as vegans. Correctly. Those that are upset are butt hurt and need to get over it. Vegan is the moral baseline. The truth is a bitter pill to swallow as no one wants to admit they are in the wrong. Change will happen faster once we Vegans are proud of our message. We can be proud. The truth is in our non action. It scares the masses to think differently. I don’t mind being called a judgemental vegan, it’s better than being in the mindset of an apathetic non vegan. After the rants now I’m like so what vegan hurt you? They usually say none just hate how judgemental they are, and its like as opposed to your apathy??

      • Freddy Benson

        We’ll just stick to calling you just one more Internet douchebag.
        BTW, I’m proud I had pulled smoked pork and veal cutlets this weekend. So good. You must be in constant pain going out in the real world with all those fast food chains selling dead animal flesh on every corner. The yummy burgers are calling, katie.

        • Señorita_Sofía

          the real world? No, you are stuck in the matrix, just like we all were. But we, vegans, took the red pill and now we are out of the matrix. We trying to make you understand that you are living in a lie, a fantasy. People say vegans shove their believes down people’s throats? Yeah we are, we are trying to shove the red pill down your throat because you refuse to swallow it. It is not a choice anymore, we’re all going to die if the matrix destroyed.

          • Not sure if shitty parody of radical vegans, or if you’re actually an example of the stereotype…

    • Steve Nelson

      “I think a lot of people do this because, subconsciously, they are angry at vegans for forcing them to think about where their food comes from and the true cost of getting it on the plate.”

      But that wouldn’t explain why I like red, bloody meat and even eating organs.

      I can’t actually think of a single mammal that doesn’t eat meat at least occasionally.

      Oh wait, yes I can; vegans.

  • Anonymous

    I have a better way to describe verbal abuse against vegans: Hate speech. Courts in the UK and North America have ruled that veganism is a legally protected belief on par with religion and sexual orientation. And in the UK, it’s actually against the law to criticize somebody’s religious beliefs or sexual orientation or gender identity. It’s time to treat the verbal abuse of vegans the same as Holocaust denial.

    • David Granger

      Oh….my….god…… you just put veganism in with religion and the Holocost.
      That just happened.

      Wow. So wrong on so many levels

      • CDLver

        Actually, they have a point. Isaac Bashevis Singer famously said in relation to animals, “all people are Nazis”.

        And I agree it’s time to treat vegaphobes the same as Holocaust deniers. You’re probably one of those who got their panties in a bunch when PETA put out its “Holocaust On Your Plate” campaign…which was made a Jewish member of PETA, I may add.

    • Jan Hoadley

      Then isn’t eating meat and dairy also protected? Slippery slope there

    • Freddy Benson

      HAHAHAHAHHAA, a protected belief.

  • Tito

    You poor,,,,downtrodden people. Let me guess? You all went stag to prom as well? Beats walking around in the desert for 40 years I suppose. Grow a pair.

  • Martine Blanc

    Wow but yet you call the meat eaer murderers and all of those names, you call us hypocrite but yet for all of you who have dogs and cats what are you feeding them? Cause as fas as i am concern they need meat…..so who are the hypocrites now. Just saying!

    • Señorita_Sofía

      I’m sorry but, are you a cat? no? then wake the fuck up and become vegan.

      • Martine Blanc

        Everybody that are becoming vegan or who are already are saying that you are vegan for the love of animals but after reading articles about that matter, if everybody in the world became vegan, all of our domestic animals would become extincts so sorry to think that is b.s. And what would happen if you cut down all the trees to have mor fields to grow stuff. And at least i enjoy talking with people who will answer my questions truthfully instead of repeating just the positives stuff and ignore the negative impacts. If you want people to make the right decisions you have to br truthfull about it!

  • Jan Hoadley

    I don’t agree with belittling anyone based on what they eat. However, I must also note the glee when it’s turned around vegans are NASTY towards those they don’t agree with. So I stopped defending them, although don’t do it. In the same point saying how it is to be picked on, you call farmers physical and sexual abusers! Let’s see…that compared to “mmm bacon …” so far bacon isn’t illegal.

    We hear we’re less compassionate and psychopaths. That is not seen as bullying. Printing someone’s personal information, home address, threats against their children…not even close to what is done to vegan restaurant patrons. Putting personal information and a photo threatening to eviscerated a human being is compassionate and welcoming behavior?

    I believe in food choices for everyone, including vegans. But until you get a phone call apologizing for what is about to happen to your family, it’s not even close to examples given here. Not. Even. Close. And all that remain silent allow the minority of the public to speak for them.

  • Heidi Embrey

    Are you kidding me? Vegans insult people and try to bully them into not eating meat ALL THE TIME! Just stop. This whole comments section is full of it! You are the bullies! You make vegetarians and vegans look really bad.

    • Pamela

      You’re one to talk. When Monica Achran Draper said that someone told her that they were there to “convert her back to normalcy”, you told her that it “probably had nothing to do with her being vegan”. What did she say to warrant a personal attack like that? She wasn’t one of the ones who said anything that anyone could have interpreted as insulting or offensive. If you want to talk about bullying, there you fucking go.

  • Bryan

    Grow up and get a grip. The world does not revolve around your childish notions, and society hates a dissenter.

  • Richard the Big Bunny

    “Aw! I would just love to kill that thing and make a ton of bacon out of it.” — First of all, she would not do that. Her squeamish, disconnected @$$ would pay someone else to do it while she hid away from the screams, panic, blood & guts. She is, indeed, an obnoxious little liar and a bully.

    Secondly, how is this sort of bullying by ‘friends’ any different from me turning to her very religious mother at brunch and saying: “Your god is imaginary and your beliefs stem from a stupid fairy tale created to comfort your fears & to control others. And when you soon die, you will rot. ROT!”

    Not very nice, is it? THAT is how one sounds when one mocks a vegan’s most deeply-held beliefs & ethics and shames them for being kind & compassionate.

  • TeLin特林

    Abuse is only justified against the meat eaters. They are the enemy and savages.

    They don’t deserve to make jokes at my expense, but I damn well have the right to make jokes at their expense.

    OmniBastards!

  • Sharon Kennedy

    I don’t eat mammals, I try to stick to fish only. Sometimes chicken but that makes me feel awful. I see chicken farms in my area and those chickens live a horrid existence. They are pumped full of steroids and antibiotics so they can survive until they are slaughtered. Who wants to eat that anyway?

  • Ken M

    Vegans deserve to be harassed, they are self-righteous and obnoxious. If you don’t like meat, don’t eat it, leave the rest of us human beings alone, we make choices for ourselves and they are none of your damn business.

    Stop meddling and stop telling people how “caring” you are and people will leave you alone.

    • Señorita_Sofía

      Vegans are like the slave liberators 200 years ago. We call for morality in a society where it doesn’t exist. You laugh at us now, you fight us and hate us now, just like the people did to the slave liberators then. One day you won’t be laughing, just like you ancestors were defeated, you will be too.

  • Señorita_Sofía

    “150 years ago, they would have thought you were absurd if you advocated
    for the end of slavery. 100 years ago, they would have laughed at you
    for suggesting that women should have the right to vote. 50 years ago,
    they would object to the idea of African Americans receiving equal
    rights under the law. 25 years ago they would have called you a pervert
    if you advocated for gay rights. They laugh at us now for suggesting
    that animal slavery be ended. Some day they won’t be laughing.” – Gary Smith

  • PJSL

    hahaaaa
    But it’s ok for vegans to belittle meat eaters?
    You start the bashing you deserve the whole thing right back at ya!

  • PJSL

    Idiot never worked on a farm. To ignore facts because of perceptions is flat out ignorant.

  • Heidi Embrey

    There are vitamins that we humans need to live that are only found in meat. The end.

  • Cornelia P.

    I would love to hear of a single vegan who hasn’t experienced bullying from meat eaters

  • Sarah Taggart

    My personal experience is that vegans tend to be the ones shaming and verbally abusing others. Not to mention comparing the animal product industries to slavery and rape, which is VIOLENTLY offensive to actual rape survivors, black people, and others who have experienced violent hate crimes. I’m all for supporting veganism, but most vegans I’ve encountered are FAR from “cruelty-free”. And the majority of them give the decent minority a really bad name. I’ve literally witnessed vegans tell non-vegans they “hope they get raped and bludgeoned so they know how it feels”. Wishing violence upon others is NEVER going to remedy their own violent tendencies.

  • susan

    Do unto others. Vegans need to give respect as much as they demand respect. A friendly reminder to those militant vegans who like to comment on or slap food out of someone’s hand or talk about murder when someone is consuming their food. I can say that as a vegan who has been on both sides of the equation, and have separated myself from those political vegans who use bully techniques themselves.

  • Jangmi

    You need to practice what you preach. If someone defects from veganism, don’t wish them dead from cancer. If you don’t want others to bully you for what you eat, don’t bully them for what they eat.

  • Angela Hill

    I am dealing with this now on Facebook. I could handle the first couple of jabs, but they do not seem to want to stop. I finally wrote, “Keep up with the meat jokes, but we both know who is going to live longer.“ However, it is very hurtful, and it bothers me that there is a lack of empathy. I agree that this type of bullying seems to be accepted, but it is so bizarre to accept mocking someone for wanting to protect animals.

  • dysamoria

    Why are you being forgiving of people who mock and insult you by remaining in those relationships? If anyone ever tricked me into eating something that had ingredients they knew I did not wish to consume, there’s no way in hell I would ever consider them a friend. No how, no way. That’s fucking with my consent and agency. It is overtly UN-friendly. It is ENEMY territory.

    The “group of men” you “care about” that said you (being a vegan, referencing “all vegans”) should “go off and die on an island”… They deserve no care, attention, or time from you. They are not your friends if this is how they think of you. If they don’t realize this is how they think of you, point it out to them. Give them one chance to change their behavior and then WALK AWAY if they continue being psychologically abusive like this. Do not take it from “friends” and do not take it from “family”.

    Respect is earned. When people burn off the initial “I don’t yet know you” respect they are given at first meeting, they do not automatically get forgiven because “well, we’ve been friends for many years” or “well, they’re my family”. Choose to NOT give these kinds of abusive people access to you.

  • Ice Gaze

    I completely understand what your going through. My friends often tease me about but they’re just playing with me and move on. But there’s another group of ‘friends’ who’s just down right cruel. They gang up on me, call me annoying (when they’re always the ones to start the conversation) and they talk about me behind my back! I just don’t understand why they can’t just respect my life choice. It’s my life, let me do what I want.

  • Joshua Matthews

    My ex-boyfriend used to be take the piss out of me every day and threaten to sneak meat in to my food….Then he wondered why I left him!

    • MetusBatmanV3

      He left you, moron.

      • Joshua Matthews

        No. I LEFT HIM.

        • MetusBatmanV3

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          • Joshua Matthews

            He kept insulting me, putting me down, threatening me. Some of these were witnessed by his friends. So I left him. He felt rejected so he went to the police to make a false crime report against me. The police took him seriously and arrested me. They discovered it was a lie and a few friends explained the truth. He was arrested and prosecuted for attempting to pervert the course of justice.

            Now fuck off.

          • MetusBatmanV3

            Are you under the impression that I care, moron?

          • Logan Juanicotena-Heal

            Seems like you cared when you left the comment. How bout stop belittling the pain he went through by making snarky, unneeded comments

          • MetusBatmanV3

            Oh look the insecure moron thinks leaving a comment means someone cares, so by telling you I don’t care I care, huh moron? Insecure morons are amusing…

          • Gordon scott

            Hey Meathead pull your head in and shut up!

          • MetusBatmanV3

            You’re a moron.

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  • Anne Rogers

    Blame all the self-righteous ‘vegans’ who feel the need to attempt to browbeat anyone that doesn’t follow their diet plan. The rest of us are tired of hearing about it (and vegans will make sure to tell us that they are vegan and how bad we are for being the omnivores that nature intended).

    • mia

      Yeah, nature doesn’t factory farm and artificially inseminate thoughhhh

    • Steven Kelly

      Vegans are firmly a minority right now. I myself am not a vegan (though have cut down on animal products). I don’t buy that someone is “hearing about it” at such a tiring frequency unless they’re friends with a lot of them (unlikely, since they are a minority (I know NO vegans)) or are constantly online arguing with them or seeking out vegan content. So maybe people should try to avoid vegan stuff online if it’s so upsetting. Seriously, I think most people who aren’t actively seeking it out hear about it like once in a blue moon. I watch politics, Star Wars, and comedy videos on YouTube – veganism has come up like four times in my comments sections. And because I have a thick skin, I don’t let it bother me.

  • JD

    It’s unfortunate to see such a great post having it’s comments spammed. Seriously to the people who are coming back here to post that same comment over and over, what are you accomplishing by throwing the same insults at each other? What does it say about you when you literally come back here dozens of times to repeat the same meaningless insults to a stranger on the internet?

    Anyways in response to your fantastic article, it definitely made me feel a little bit better about my vegan-related problems. The stuff people say and do to me would be considered harassment if it was because of a religion or sexuality but just because I am a vegan people seem to think it’s okay to treat me like less of a human.

    People feel the need to argue with, make obnoxious “clever” comments, and I’ve even had a few people literally throw meat at me. It’s sick because I can’t even stand up for myself without being an “annoying vegan.”

    I don’t push my beliefs on people and I respect people’s life decisions yet they still make fun of me for mine. I hope I can see the day where people don’t think “veganism” is defined as “a lifestyle that only exists for you to make fun of and disrespect.”

    I think part of it is that people are told when they’re young that all vegans are pretentious and argumentative. Even though there are a few that are, there’s also an equal percentage of pretentious and argumentative meat-eaters. I guess what I’m saying is that PEOPLE can be that way, it has nothing to do with whether they’re vegan or not. PEOPLE as a whole are sometimes extremely passionate about what they believe.

    I’m personally very non-confrontational and peaceful so this aggression towards my personal lifestyle really does make me uncomfortable and confused. Thanks for this, though! It really gave me something to relate to. I hope at least one person read it and learned something.

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